I dont gave over 1280x768 so the xtra cost no good
mind you i paid 350$ for my 7950gt :rofl: :rofl:
I mean settings in BIOS 'Turn fan off if temp < ' and 'Turn fan fully on if temp > '. More temp close to threshold, more speed fan has. So u may flexible adjust fan speed, but only for 2 connectors - NB and system (PWM) - if u do not have CPU 4-pin.
I very dissappointed with such unfriendly controls, especially if u watercooling, my ancient Ultra-D had same options. But high-end board in 2008 with such weak controls is :down:
But in all other stuff board is :up:
Cheers mate, yeah got that was wondering if there was any other ways to control them. Im on water too.
OK, so even after the settings I've been working on I am still having stability issues. So I started to think that my PSU may not be big enough for everything. Here's the list:
Q6600 @ 3.6GHz
4 x 1GB G.Skill HZ's
Dual 3870x2's in CrossfireX
DFI X38
Four Seagate 250 GB SATA 7200.10's
Plus fans, DVD burners, etc.
According to EOV's PSU Calculator (Lite - I'm still waiting on registration for the Pro), I should only need around 750W. My Thermaltake 850W PSU is CrossFire certified for 3870x2's and 2900xt's. I only loaded it up with Prime 95 and rthdribl, but 12v loads never went below 12v. So, I don't know if this is a problem or not...
As a side note, and this is a BIG side note, I was poking around with the IR thermometer and realized my memory is hitting 60C load when I have the CPU OC'ed to 3.6 and the ram is at 2.2V! I'm guessing that's a big problem, right? Right now I clocked the CPU at stock and the ram is idling at 47C.
So I'm going to whip up a quick fix with a Vantec Stealth 120mm fan, but do you guys know which ram coolers work with this board and a big vid card in slot one? My concern is the little amount of space between the ram and the card.
I know this might be a stupid question, but do you guys plug in the extra floppy type power connectors in the board when you are overclocking? With just 1 GPU? My board is not too happy at high FSB, like 1600+, I get some crappy lagging and buffering going on. Part of the problem is the 4 sticks of RAM, but I am fine when running 1600FSB. anything higher is stable, but I get the strange lagging in games and applications.
i'm doing 511fsb with 4 sticks of ballistix running @ 1224mhz
i can also do 3-3-3-8 @860mhz with kingston hyperx 4 stix
i dont need to plug the floppy connectors
but setting the right volts n gtl setting do help
updating your sig can help also lol
i was playin aroung yesterday did this with 2.1v on my ballistix
I just never thought of it until today. Last time I checked, they were running cool, but that was on my old system, and they weren't receiving additional voltage like they are now.
Any thoughts on a ram cooler?
Alright, sig updated....
NB is watercooled, and I have tried upwards of 1.6V to no avail. I tried setting trfc to 50, and it would refuse to boot.... Same with only 2 sticks of RAM too. It's really picky!
Good old DFI... Awesome board, but the BIOS is such a pain! I'm far too n00b for it.
You will need to install your videocard in the second PCIe16 slot to fit the OCZ cooler though, as the RAM is too close to the top PCIe slot
where can i tweak if my system is OOCT stable...but randomly hangs in bios at boot...or doesnt come out from sleep 3 out of 10 times.
I figure if i run OCCT CPU/MIX/RAM for an hour...i just dont understand where the problem is. Maybe more VRam? Its already at 2.20. Something doesnt seem to get enough voltage at startup?
Guys what software are you using to read the CPU temperature? Which one do you think would be most accurate? Bios , Realtemp, Everest, whatever i use it shows different values :(. Bios even shows temps (at idle) that are only 1 degree higher than ambient.. And given the crappy way in which i managed to install the TRUE, I really doubt its doing that good of a job :ROTF: :ROTF:
Can it be that the BIOS reads wrong temperatures with a 45nm quad? Im using the stock bios (no idea which bios to flash on it :X suggestions?)
Thanks, I used to have one of those, but I don't think there is enough room between the ram and the top vid slot to fit the brackets.
That's kinda what I was saying above, except with dual vid cards, I need both slots.
I just remembered I have a DuOrb CPU cooler laying around. I'm gonna throw that on later this afternoon. I know it will be better for the ram, but hopefully it does a good job on the CPU, too.
There are two more BIOS files 1-11 and 3-14. 1-11 is supposed to be better for OC and fixes the NB voltage issue on some boards. Use either one of the two newer ones, unless you need something specifically updated in the latest.
For temp programs, I find Smart Guardian reads CPU temp lower at idle that CoreTemp, plus I don't like the fact it shows one temp. I assume it's reading socket temp, if these boards do indeed have a socket sensor.
I recommend trying multiple propgrams like CoreTemp, RealTemp, Everest and the like and see if there is a consensus. Then use the one you like that gives you the most accurate temps.
Guys check my sig I have to big fat HD 3870's and they fit fine with the XTC cooler without bumping into anything.
The only thing you have to do is attach the bottom part 1st with the LOW PROFILE screw and use a black isolation tape on the metal part of the the cooler and then attach the thumb screw on the top.
It fit's perfectly. :up:
They do just the same job as 2 x 90mm and they look a lot nicer. The fans has a nice speed and are low noise and the flow is perfect for 4 dimms you don't need anything higher then that.
Cool, good to know. I was afraid I would only be able to use the ugly Corsair one.
Right now I just got done installing the DuOrb. and I think that may work for the time being. However, it looks like I will be trying out my watercooling again with the new case coming Tuesday. I may need to get one of these ordered this afternoon.
Hey Sam, just for $hit$ and giggles, why don't you post a pic? :D
So with a Q6600, what kind of gtl numbers am I looking for? Am I looking for more Similar numbers, or farther apart? I've tried a bunch and I can't seem to find the sweet spot for my board with the 67% rule.
The gtl values (if I understand them correctly) are based on your CPU VTT and NB voltage. What voltage are you using?
GTL values are all based on CPU VTT nothing to do with NB..
from my experience on Asus boards the GTL ref volts are optimal even on DFI
kentsfield
gtl cpu = ~63%
gtl nb = ~67%
yorkfield 45nm
gtl cpu = ~63%
gtl nb = ~61%
but i could be wrong as my DFI LT X38 has ~30-50FSB less max FSB for E6850/E8500/QX9650 than on Asus Blitz Formula/Extreme.
I understand that it correlates to your VTT. what I was trying to say was the general "gap" between 1/3, 0/2, and nb gtl values. right now I'm running 1.3 VTT with 1.4 on the northbridge, with values of 125/115/95 at 445 x 9 (trying 333/667 for now).
so how would I go about doing this? Multiply 1.3 * .63 and .67 for my two values?Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
With a Q6600 your in the ballpark with those value for 1.3V VTT. You might try a rang of +5 to -10 for each from your current settings.
You won't be able to find the values like that. The values you set in the BIOS do not correlate to a percentage of VTT with no easily used formula.
nice info :D What about the nb gtl, what values should be set there? Used cpu is a 45nm x3350. Ballpark?
you need to list cpu VTT for any advice, but its basically your CPU vtt, multiplied by .67. then, you look at the CPU VTT tables floating around here (Clunk has one on his site; somewhere in this thread). Go + or - from there is what I would do for 45nm (But I multiplied by .68; I heard 65nm quads like a bit more).
http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/hardw...rboards-2.html Thanks clunk for the awesome info!
cool, thanks a lot :) Was thinking there might be some basic rule of the thumb (like say 61% or w/e :) )
Playing a bit around with these got rid of that pesky error in prime :D
i had 1 with 2 60mm fans fo a while but i did not think it was good enough so i made these
2 90mm panaflo fans n i added grills stuk them together with gluegun
you can make em with 80mm fans fits better in the case
i gona make attachments when i have time i aklways testin ram so i not makin them permanent for now
Thanks. I always like seeing the mods ;)
how is that mounted in there, dose it just sit there
Here's the XTC with two big fat ATI HD 3780's and still some room to have a dinner between them :ROTF:
http://i26.tinypic.com/2i7txzt.jpg
anyone running a bfg 8800gt on the board?
i only game @ 1200x800 good choice?
i'm thinkin of pikin one up tomorow
because i'm not that comfortable poking my DMM around the board to measure VTT/GTL, i work backwards from the know DFI X38 GTL ref volts table and adjust cpu vtt according
i.e. if table says 110/105/85 = 0.812v/0.816v/0.812v then i know if CPU VTT in bios is showing 1.28v then i have roughly 63.4%/63.75%/63.4%
No idea if that's accurate but i use quad superpi/systool pi tests to test and for my QX9650 stability occurs at 1.28v VTT with 115/107/88 for quad pi tests. When it's unstable it just reboots at high fsb.
Thanks for the advice, I'll go try this. If I wanted to hit around say 475 FSB on 1:1, I'm guessing I'm going to need around 1.3, or will I need more? I'm right now OCCT'ing at 440 with 1.3VTT and values of 125/115/105. Also, should I just focus on ONE set at a time? Or do each affect the others values? Once again, thanks for the help eva :up:
Rinaun, others:
Well from what i read...on each given system..tweaking GTL needs a LOT of reboots and testing. In other words: You have to find your own values which COULD be off +/- 15 from all posted tables..and test, test, test. Even the charts can only give halfway advice.
The other Q would be about what a good VTT is for a given FSB...according to Anandtech they set VTT as high as 1.6 for 400+....i myself keep VTT always a little under VCore...and Vcore for me is 1.46 right now with FSB 442 stable at 1.42 VTT. I consider everything over 1.45 "dangerous"...in terms of possible CPU degradation over time with everything higher. Its just my own "safe zone". Other opinions might vary. If you go through a new system every few months, maybe 6 months life-span per system :) ... dont hesitate and push 1.55 - 1.6..and then in a few months just dump whatever you have and get new CPU anyway---
For 475 FSB i would definitly go higher than 1.3...but thats also just my own guessing.
@Jor3lBR
Did you have to change/mod anything to fit RAM cooler over gfx card ?? There is really NO contact between RAM cooler and gfx card ??
Another photos would be nice to see it closely :)
He said it does touch but put some electrical tape over OCZ cooler ends and its fine
I found the best advice so far for GTLs was in a completely random thread, the bonetrail board official thread.
Now that I've gotten this beast stable at ddr21000, I'm going to tinker with the gtls and see if I can run with it. Should I really worry about 1.55 vcore (when pushing into 4.0)? 1.6 vcore? My water cooling keeps this 3.8 idling at 25 and running at 45.
i just got an evga 8800gt put it in
now my pci-e slots not working:mad:
gonna try to boot with pci card\
tested the 8800gt on p35 n 965 its ok
any ideas? been fiddlin for 5 hours lol
i get to bios screen the board goes ff boot code n then black screen
boots fine with pci card
@Rinaun
I find this method a little too timetaking as you get your max/min numbers ONLY for ONE config of voltages (Vcore, VTT, VNB, Vddr etc.)... Sometimes instability is more a matter of changing voltage(s) one setting, rather than finding "the middle" GTL value... that btw will have to be changed after optimizing main voltages... endless tweaking...
he was only trying to help man ;) altough he did totally miss that bit :)
on ure prob zsamz only thing i can think of trying, in this order is..
turn off the psu by its switch & give it a few seconds to fully turn off,
then press the power button on ure case or the mobo a few times to get all the power out the mobo etc
remove power cable,
take the battery out move the clear pin over & give it a few min's,
put batt back in, move jumper pin back over & try from there.
has worked for me with a simular prob. i was trying to move my 1900xtx into the secondary slot on my icfx3200 & got just the same thing ure getting, works for a second then black screen.
i was orignaly advised to leave the battery out a copple of hours , but 2 min's was all it needed.
i'd only bench at those volts for 24/7 <1.36-1.4v for 45nm for me.
Sub 10s Super Pi 1M @4606Mhz
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...9s984ms_tn.png
Super Pi 32M @4564Mhz at 1.648v idle/1.632v load
2x1GB Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500 Tracer @652Mhz 5-5-5-8 at 2.35v bios set!
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...72ms_sg_tn.png
CPU VTT = 1.28v bios set
GTL = 115/107/88
Vdimm = 2.35v bios set
did all that n more
8 hours of playin with it was enough
cant boot into windows with pci-e
can only boot with a pci card
1 drive got corrupted with so many tries
i even changed the bios chip took out batterie ti'll tomorow
i i got my hands on a 965-dq6 till its fixed or rma
set up the 8800gt n booted straight through windows my primary drive that would lock up on the dfi
so i reinstalled windows i like it 100%
Maybe its the x38 to 48 flash? or when you switch the chips did you have two different BIOSes? It's suprising none of the pcies worked, I have a friend with that same pcie not working issue on another dfi board(NF4). He ended up buying this board to fix that problem :rofl:
the x48 bios is almost the same just nb voltage increase
its actually better for taiwan board
the fixed bios for china board n taiwan boards got the shaft on volts
they shoulda made 1 for taiwan 1 for china boards
i been back to x38 long ago just for everest voltage temps settings i just set nb volts a little higher
if the x48 bios ever gets better than x38 i will go back to x48
i am back to X48 bios and keep my NB at 1.5 and just dont mess with NB. The reason is that i did some tests w/ same settings...and X48 was stable.
Another observation:
I dont know whether its my settings, or a combination of settings and my hardware. I did a OCCT MIX test 2 hrs stable at one set of settings.
After a few warm-reboots....same setting BSODs OCCT out in 4 minutes.
In general using OCCT if i have problems i am getting rather BSODS and only *rarely* calculation errors.
the weird thing now is that i believe my settings are stable (i mean i let it run 2 hrs OCCT)...and when i do a cold-start (power-button) the same settings which gave me BSOD after 3 mins befoer are now stable again. I always save my stable tested settings to CMOS...so there is no reason that a setting i tested 2 hours the day before all of a sudden becomes instable......BIZARRE.
So i have reason to believe that its advisable after any change in bios settings to do a cold-start and then test..otherwise i get BSODs in OCCT no matter what, even if settings are actual stable.
I still did not solve my problem that bios sometimes resets/hangs with my strap/settings...i already tweaked a lot and changed voltages and losened timings. But as long as i am on 8x442 i have this problem. I think both problems (instability without a cold-start) might be related.
Guys how do you test for stability?
No matter what I do I always seem to get 1 error on the Prime95 Blend test. All other tests run fine, but I cant get rid of this error.. is that normal lol :D
rather than waste hours on occt/prime95, I first use systool pi test quad 16M or dual 32M (for quad core or dual core respectively) if you only have 2GB ram - don't try quad 32M as you'd run of my memory heh.
systool pi tests takes around 4-8 mins to run and should be a good starter.
wrong GTL ref volts or unstable FSB as well as unstable mem settings will reboot system usually.
then you can move onto prime95 tests etc
on air not much more i don't think as heat is holding it back 78+ C load temps.. water maybe another 100Mhz for 32M i hope :)
The problem with that method is on the logic 1 of the signal. It's possible to drive GTLREF hard into overshoot and still have stability as long as the resulting ringing is clamped fast enough. This will give a false impression of the midpoint as the indicated upper bound of GTLREF is considerably higher then is being indicated. Also GTLREF overshoot can cause irreversible damage to the processor.
systool is another software program from W1zzard (ATITool and GPU-z creator). Go to www.techpowerup.com for the file.
Actually <8min
quad 16m actually uses 1.33GB not 960MB memory
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/Bli...ol_quad16m.png
not 100% stable test but it's a starter before moving onto prime95
You're welcome for the info. I used to use it all the time for my DFI NF4 board, and I would use it for temp monitoring, stability testing, and even for trying to find an easy max OC for the current mem settings.
I didn't have any luck with it supporting my Asus P5W DH, so I kinda forgot about it. I'll have to go and try it out again myself.
What you said above doesnt make sense at all.
If you use 2nd PCI_e slot then the cooler would be very very far from touching anything. So I didn't get what your point was :shrug:
The only change you need to do is to apply black tape on the XTC leg that may touch the lower part of the gfx card, it's a precaution to avoid short-circuits.
The black tape is just on that small part of the ocz xtc and it's unnoticeable.
IMPORTANT NOTE:
The OCZ XTC Cooler does NOT fit with original DFI Chipset cooler. So you should try other solution like zsam did.
Are you using the Danger Den Universal on the chipset:
http://www.dangerden.com/store/produ...&cat=46&page=1
Or the new X38:
http://www.dangerden.com/store/produ...&cat=46&page=1
MPC Universal I don't think the X38 will fit and it's bulky.
http://i30.tinypic.com/2a0mk2d.png
Cool - thanks ;)
hm, weird, when i did this today it completed within 200 secs (i think it was 48 sec per thread) on a x3350 at 3.3ghz :confused: . Tho I guess you mightve had stuff running in background. Either that or my brain is playing tricks on me :ROTF:
gonna try again when I get home :D
well the good thing about OCCT is it does NOT take hours to test...i noticed if i am not stable i either get a problem in the first 20mins...40mins into is another milestone where it often crashes.... If it runs an hour i know i already its halfway-stable. If it runs an hour i can be pretty sure it would run 2 or 3 hours also. Just my oberservation.
Just tried to start systool, gives me a BSOD every time at startup (even though my rig is 24/7 primestable, lol)
Guess it doesn't like XP x64.
It might have something to do with the sesnors, as I'm having trouble running it on Vista 32-bit. Unfortunately, it's been a while since W1z updated it last. :(
i had my FSB/Ram a notch up, where i *know* that it's not stable.
Systool run 30mins or so...didnt complain at all.
OCCT/MEM gave me an error 1min already...so did windows memtest...after 3 mins.
Not so sure about systool :)
I get this same issue with firfox now. I think running my rig stock caused some issues installing vista, so I'll be reformatting after I'm done OCing. Anyone else have issues like window processes crashing, and nfts.sys crashing? My memory is OCCT 10 hour stable on RAM test.
u need to fix your SB voltage
sb voltage will affect this? I have it set to 1.64 but ill try the lowest.
I did the RAM test for infinite over 6-7 hours, and mix for over 10 (both I stopped). I'm using 2.0.0A. I usually crash hours after booting, usually only when I'm surfing or some crap. I also get windows processes randomly shutting down (Defender, host process, DMI, etc), But I can play HL2 cinemtic through the whole thing.
What are you guys doing with your SB's :D
I'm running stock 1,5V, no problems with RAID whatsoever. Maybe it's because I don't have a CF setup (does the 2nd, 3rd etc card even go by way of the SB like with SLI on NV mobos?)
im also running raid0 & a single HD on the SB controler without the need to add SB voltage from stock. o/cing wise it does nothing for me.
if i remember rightly the SB voltage also affects the cpu ? :shrug:
I tried stock SB and I failed OCCT Ram test on infinite in 28 minutes.
I too have random lockups eve running at stock. Usually for me it's when I'm browsing, but it's even happened while using Photoshop. CPU wasn't even loaded at the time.
BTW, I'm running a CFX system and four-drive raid array, but I've been using stock SB voltage, too.
Has anyone compared the 400/800 setting with 333/667 for 1:1 FSB:MEM ratio?
Does it change any internal timings in the NB?
Since 3DMark Vantage came out yesterday, I've been running the system overclocked to 3.6GHz. Ironically, the system seems a lot more stable and I haven't had any random lockups (knock on wood).
With four sticks I could not use the same settigns I was earlier in this thread, so all I've done is set the ram tp 4-4-4-12 and raise the voltages to what I had them at before. :confused:
Some 2x2GB Corsair PC2-9136C5DF Dominator action
http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mem...ir9136_001.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mem...ir9136_002.jpg http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mem...ir9136_004.jpg
System specs
- Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 L739A640
- Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme + 120x38mm Panaflo 103cfm (MX-2 TIM)
- DFI LP LT P38-T2R 1/11 Official bios
- 128MB Gainward FX5200 PCI
- 2x2GB Corsair PC2-9136C5DF Dominator dual channel kit (dimm 1+3 slots)
- 750GB Samsung HD753LJ
- Pioneer DVD-RW
- 620W Corsair HX620
- WinXP Pro SP2
Results:
Everest Ultimate SPD settings for modules - looks like week 12, 2008 made with a week 13 packaging date on module's Dominator heatsink label - 08130508 v1.1
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...verest_spd.png
I've started testing on DFI LT X38-T2R motherboard with 1/11 official bios and they overclock very easily just by setting memory to 571Mhz 5-5-5-15 and vdimm to 2.10v I was already booting and memtest86+ v2.01 stable!
@585Mhz 5-5-5-15 2.10v
Quick jump to 585Mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.10v still was easily quad Super Pi 32M stable (hyperpi v0.99 gui wrapper) and single Super Pi 32M stable :)
click image for full screen shot.
CPUZ Validation
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/banner/355300.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...z_valid_tn.png
Quad Super Pi 32M
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_..._avtime_tn.png
Single Super Pi 32M
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...8s422ms_tn.png
Everest Ultimate Bandwidth
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...everest_tn.png
Memtest Windows stress test 4x 750MB
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...n_load_tnn.png
Max CPUZ Validation
4GB Corsair PC3-9136C5DF @610Mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.23v
Using setFSB from 595Mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.23v in windows I slowly pushed the FSB and thus the memory clocks to 610Mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.23v for max validation :)
click image for full screenshot
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...z_valid_tn.png
Max Single Super Pi 32M
4GB Corsair PC3-9136C5DF @595Mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.23v
Straight boot from bios managed to push the 4GB Corsair PC3-9136C5DF to 595Mhz 5-5-5-15 at 2.23v for single Super Pi 32M pass. Have yet to try quad super Pi or higher vdimm :)
click image for full screenshot
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...91ms_sg_tn.png
i think this will be usefull for 45mn cpus
Which % do you find better - 61 or 63 for 45nm DualCore CPU ?
so anyone using the newest x48 on the x38 or has it shown issues?? has anyone shown the x48 dfi is a better oc'er than the x38? im going to start another system here soon and im wondering if i should wait for p45 or grab a x48. ill wait if x48 is no better oc wise than x38 is.... thanks