Fo any WC newbies, this RAD is awesome. You just need a Block, 2 hose ... and here you go !
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Fo any WC newbies, this RAD is awesome. You just need a Block, 2 hose ... and here you go !
I agree that this will be great as part of a kit, very simple to install. As for those of use that need to have radiators orientated in all kinds of interesting ways, it may not be of much use but it's nice to have such products on the market never the less.
I have a friend who has just splurged on his first serious PC and wanted to water cool it from the get go after seeing mine even though I was trying to convince him not to do it straight away as water cooling can be dangerous to newcomers. He ended up buying one of the H20-220 Apex Ultima kits as it was on sale and cheaper than buying the same parts separately (I was at least able to steer him away from thermaltake and the H50). For those types of buyers like my friend who are new to water cooling and frankly, probably won't last that long in the hobby (they just do it for the hell of it), this new rad/pump/res combo mated with an XT would be fantastic to replace the H20-220 kit. Far less error to be made imo, less barbs to worry about leaking...
Just based off of cost alone I don't think that this setup really is very practical for those of us who already watercool (think 3 MCR320s for one triple MCR drive), but for the watercooling newcomer who is looking for something easy and quick this is the best idea to come out in a long time. It would really take the complexity out of putting in a watercooling setup for a CPU.
Wow, awesome idea.
Gabe, could you please give us the measurements of the whole thing? I checked on your .pdf but couldn't find'em...
I tend to disagree. Extreme users like XS members will find dozens of applications for this, in basically any orientation they wish. The fact that we do not endorse many orientations reflects our concern for the casual users.Quote:
Originally Posted by nipper575
When we say in our installation guide "there is a risk that.bla bla..", it means that under certain circumstances, air could accumulate in the pump and cause it to stall. Extreme/advanced users understand this, and can take the appropriate precautions.
I do see great potential for this among extreme users. It performs very well, and solves plenty of space issues. Imagine two MCR320 Drives in your case for example!
I agree with gabe, but not 100% ... Extrem user want ... Extrem parts ! Not all in one parts ;)
Yep. Or even for 'simpler' builds you want to have to work on and maintain less like the wife or gf's rig :) (Well not in Shazza's case :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by Boulard83
I believe you are thinking 3 MCR320 on street price sale, versus MCR320 Drive MSRP. This is not factoring in the fact that street prices will be suject to the same competition than all the other products.Quote:
Originally Posted by voigts
I think that once the dust settles, XS users will end up saving money on this setup as opposed to other setups, and gain in simplicity, reliability and ultimately in performance. Think of the flow rate improvements alone compared to all the elbows that some guys have to use to route their tubing..
Yes, I was going to add this to my last comments, but I chose not to, because I do not want to come accross as criticizing what I personnally do not agree with ;) After all, there is room for everything in this world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boulard83
Well obviously you would have a better idea than me, that previous post is just my assumption/prediction.
Just speaking from my own (limited) experience, I don't think I would find a way to use this myself easily unless mounting it on the back of my tower. Haveing separate water cooling components mounted internally allow you to utilise the space available to you in a more effective way imo. For example, the way my current MCR220 is mounted, to make enough room for the extra height of having a pump and reservoir installed on the same size rad, I would most likely loose another 2 x 5.25" bays which would render my PC useless to me. Not to mention that the MCR320 I have mounted internally on the roof would not physically fit at all if it had a res and pump mounted to it. Sure it looks more cluttered but it actually allows me to physically fit both rads internally as I am able to "split" the components and place them in tight areas.
I think this is a great product and I never meant to sound like I was rubbishing it or anything. Like I said, it's great to have such options available to us.
i didn't see it in the pdf or website, what is the housing made of? looks like either all brass or brass port and plastic top?
I didn't take it like this at all. Your comments just gave me an opportunity to express more of my opinions on the subject matter. Sorry if the engineer is being superceded by a salesman right now, it's the excitement of the moment.. it'will pass :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by nipper575
oops I need to clarify this. Thanks! Yes the pump housing is brass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawn-Inc
haha, no worries.
Looks like a great idea.
good concept :) but position wise limited though :(
It is possible and will work fine with an auxiliary reservoir. But this res would necessarily be below the rad. So there is a serious risk if you move or shake your case, or if the coolant level is so low that air goes into the pump. That's why we can't officially support or recommend it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Morello
Really clever design, the "10-minute setup" photo really nails it. This is pretty much fool-proof watercooling that can be installed as quickly as any HSF. Great out of the box thinking!
Sure many of us are curious about the performance figures. With this design the pump's heat will transfer directly to the radiator, whereas in a separate setup pumps radiate some heat into the air. Then again flow is supposed to improve. At any rate I'm looking forward to the performance comparison between this and a separate DDC + pump.
I'm wondering why the reservoir wasn't extended to the same height as the pump? If that was done, then a horizontal mounting position with a functional reservoir would be possible right?
What the funk? We need a custom rad top, I mean pump top, I mean rad top for this :confused: :p: It would be nice though if you could actually separate it.
Overall, good stuff...but I already have two MCR320s in my case :D
Looks really awesome! Hows the vibration absorbtion?
I believe the idea is that you put fans there to span that distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverhawk
Edit: Sorry, just re-read your post. Ya, I thought of that too.
I was hoping for a 140.x update of radiators line :( but i really like this concept.
Too bad i can't implement it in my ring.
Wow! This is a great Idea. With this i can now build the perfect HTPC.
Very innovative product Gabe!
speaking of XSQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
i or some hardly fit your description...
and restriction:rolleyes: most of the kids think restriction. feeding kids koolaide..:shakes: