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06-21-2008, 06:52 AM
[XC] hipno650

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Originally Posted by kryptobs2000

So is there any confirmation as to whether the micro stuttering still exist with the 4000 series? Not talking about the X2 and I don't suspect we have any way of knowing that yet anyway.

yes reviews of 4850 CF's HAVE reported microstuddering. and even if this communicates through memory it still uses AFR so it will almost most certainly have microstuddering.
06-21-2008, 06:57 AM
flopper

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Originally Posted by w0mbat

@flopper: ???

stop hinting, just tell us:shocked:
06-21-2008, 07:01 AM
chunkylover77

That last picture looks like the card is smoking.
06-21-2008, 08:02 AM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650

yes reviews of 4850 CF's HAVE reported microstuddering. and even if this communicates through memory it still uses AFR so it will almost most certainly have microstuddering.

I don't think it will communicate through the memory, not until I'm proven wrong but I don't think that will happen. Not this generation at least.
One more thing, if the card is using AFR then that does not necessarily mean there will be micro-stuttering. The way AFR is done at the moment does cause this stuttering.
06-21-2008, 08:11 AM
JohnZS

So...even Crossfired HD4870 cards have Microstutter?

Damn :(

Looks like I may have to stay in the green camp....
06-21-2008, 08:25 AM
w0mbat

Of cause any normal CF will have microstuttering, but dont talk about it cause u wont notice it.
06-21-2008, 08:25 AM
Unbornchild

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

So...even Crossfired HD4870 cards have Microstutter?

Damn :(

Looks like I may have to stay in the green camp....

You mean: "stay in single card camp", as SLI/Crossfire both know microstutter. It is a multi-gpu issue.
Hopefully resolved in the 4870X2, which no-one can know but only speculate atm.
06-21-2008, 08:27 AM
JohnZS

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Originally Posted by Unbornchild

You mean: "stay in single card camp then", as SLI/Crossfire both know microstutter. It's a multi-card issue.
Hopefully resolved in the 4870X2, which no-one can know but only speculate atm.

Yer but upgrading from a G92 GTS only really gives me 2 choices.

1) Crossfire 4870 1GB :up:
2) GTX 280 Zotac AMP!
3) S3 virge

John
06-21-2008, 08:30 AM
w0mbat

Even HD4850 > G92GTS, so a HD4870 will blow it away.
06-21-2008, 08:31 AM
JohnZS

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Originally Posted by w0mbat

Even HD4850 > G92GTS, so a HD4870 will blow it away.

Cool, but what about the S3 Virge? :p:
06-21-2008, 08:38 AM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

Cool, but what about the S3 Virge? :p:

I think the S3 Virge is your best bet then. It will blow all the competition out of the water, seriously :yepp:.
BTW, even S3's multi GPU set-up, yes they also have their form of SLI, also has this micro-stuttering problem.
@w0mbat, "you won't notice it"? I don't have a multiGPU set-up but I can clearly see it here, as they demonstrate in their video.
06-21-2008, 08:44 AM
w0mbat

@Helmore: Thats only if u get in the <30fps range.
06-21-2008, 08:50 AM
cadaveca

I get bad stutter @ 1280x1024 in Crysis. many other games at low res have this problem too...try "strafing" sideways...you'll move in "bursts"...really annoying.
06-21-2008, 09:02 AM
Data_

Hopefully drivers will not be buggy for it.
06-21-2008, 09:19 AM
Devious

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Originally Posted by cadaveca

I get bad stutter @ 1280x1024 in Crysis. many other games at low res have this problem too...try "strafing" sideways...you'll move in "bursts"...really annoying.

with 2 x HD4850 ?
06-21-2008, 10:04 AM
AriciU

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

Cool, but what about the S3 Virge? :p:

S3 Virge + 2 x Voodoo 2 in SLI... no contest. Just make sure you get a good PSU to handle that monster. :)
06-21-2008, 11:31 AM
tbone8ty

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Originally Posted by fallwind

http://www.hardspell.com/pic/article...0757cab671.jpg

http://www.hardspell.com/pic/article...274a6bad3b.jpg

Source: http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3608

nice thats a asus m32a32-mvp board!!
06-21-2008, 11:45 AM
kryptobs2000

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Originally Posted by cadaveca

I get bad stutter @ 1280x1024 in Crysis. many other games at low res have this problem too...try "strafing" sideways...you'll move in "bursts"...really annoying.

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Originally Posted by Devious

with 2 x HD4850 ?

Isn't crossfire not even supported in Crysis? At least with the 4850, going from reviews. How would you even get micro stuttering in this case?
06-21-2008, 11:51 AM
cadaveca

Hotfix has come out since reviews, as well as monthly driver.

Problem seems almost confined to 4:3 resolutions...1280x1024 and 1600x1200, but 1860x1050 is fine.
06-21-2008, 12:00 PM
[XC] hipno650

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Originally Posted by Helmore

I don't think it will communicate through the memory, not until I'm proven wrong but I don't think that will happen. Not this generation at least.
One more thing, if the card is using AFR then that does not necessarily mean there will be micro-stuttering. The way AFR is done at the moment does cause this stuttering.

that's true they could almost eliminate it if they did it right. however to eliminate microstuddering you would have to sync the GPU perfectly and you would loss lots of your performance. thus Crossfire would not seem as attractive to most people and they would not buy it. but how many people know about microstuddering? only us Xtreme people. i am sure AMD is aware of the problem and can fix it they just don't want to on fear of losing sales of uneducated users. and the same goes for Nvidia. thus the only choice if you want smooth studder free play is the GTX 280.
06-21-2008, 12:06 PM
Metric

Nice, might have to pick one up :)

Also, is that a black PCB is see, I thought ATI was usually went with red?...
06-21-2008, 01:08 PM
JohnZS

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Originally Posted by Helmore

I think the S3 Virge is your best bet then. It will blow all the competition out of the water, seriously :yepp:.
BTW, even S3's multi GPU set-up, yes they also have their form of SLI, also has this micro-stuttering problem.
@w0mbat, "you won't notice it"? I don't have a multiGPU set-up but I can clearly see it here, as they demonstrate in their video.

Ok, S3 verge it is, what sort of PSU would I require to power such a card, would my Enermax Infiniti 720W be man enough for the job?

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Originally Posted by AriciU

S3 Virge + 2 x Voodoo 2 in SLI... no contest. Just make sure you get a good PSU to handle that monster. :)

Ahh wicked Voodoo 2's :up: 12MB models or 8MB variations of the card?
What sort of PSU would be required to run TWO of those monster VooDoo2 cards?

Do they suffer from this notorious microstutter?

Did anyone hear that the 4870 requires 2 (yes 2) PCI-E power connectors :(
John
06-21-2008, 01:14 PM
Xoulz

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Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650

that's true they could almost eliminate it if they did it right. however to eliminate microstuddering you would have to sync the GPU perfectly and you would loss lots of your performance. thus Crossfire would not seem as attractive to most people and they would not buy it. but how many people know about microstuddering? only us Xtreme people. i am sure AMD is aware of the problem and can fix it they just don't want to on fear of losing sales of uneducated users. and the same goes for Nvidia. thus the only choice if you want smooth studder free play is the GTX 280.

Do you think that would still be the case if ATI offered their R700 as a true dual-GPU solution?
:shrug:
06-21-2008, 01:19 PM
initialised

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Originally Posted by MAS

fastest videocard all over the world :)

Until GX200 comes out!
06-21-2008, 01:42 PM
iboomalot

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

Did anyone hear that the 4870 requires 2 (yes 2) PCI-E power connectors :(
John

why is it dies are shrinking on CPUs and requiring less volts and less heat but GPUs are hot as heck (78c idle 4850) :mad:

kinda sad when a quad uses 200w and the GPU uses 600 watts LOL

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