if that CPU exists, it's certainly not an ES, but does AMD give nonES's to
people? never heard of this.
smells fishy
and the performance gains are very low compared to what people having
this CPU in hands said.
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if that CPU exists, it's certainly not an ES, but does AMD give nonES's to
people? never heard of this.
smells fishy
and the performance gains are very low compared to what people having
this CPU in hands said.
WOW K10 has failed.
I thought that with all the Microarchitecture enhancements that it would have an advantage over 65nm Core2's and be at least even with the 45nm ones.
How wrong many of us were!
i was talking about the SPI screen which shows 4 cores and 4 threads but greyed out the processor so not the same systemQuote:
Originally Posted by zaarath
coolaler has MANY connections. Chances are it's a retail version.Quote:
Originally Posted by alayashu
Corrrection: "People on Coolaler's site" have MANY connections.Quote:
Originally Posted by n91htmare
Different version of cpu-z .Quote:
Originally Posted by generics_user
maybe, maybe not. remember 64bit disables the inteligent caching from the core architectureQuote:
Originally Posted by Slay0r
this is no longer an ES those were shipped with 1.6-1.8GHZ speed. It is a DVT or one of the "early birds" as some OEM like to call theseQuote:
Originally Posted by alayashu
and for the performance... wprime/pi etc says nothing to real performance.
on INT it's not faster than micro on FPU it's a huge difference same with memory bandwith, power consumption is to early to tell.
it look likes cpu-z is able to read vcore of the phenom, but it can't on barcelonaQuote:
Originally Posted by alayashu
funny how people think that 45nm penryn will be so much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikesta
I'll give some hint's:
yes it will have advantages because of the higher speed, don't expect miracles, they already had troubles fitting 3.16ghz wolfdale in the 120W tdp package
if the program has advantages due to additional cache yes it will benefit
if it supports sse4 yes it gives huge performance increase.
all the rest clock/clock it is the same performance
cpu-z, doesnt 1.40.5 show the voltage on K10 CPUs?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MR_SmartAss
Actually 2MB C2D already has 10% deficit in Spi against 4MB, 512kb L2 Celeron 4xx is even worse. SPI is very cache sensitive.
Also, I don't think you can get 2X memory bandwidth against core2 in a single threaded application, more like 1.2X
That should have been obvious from 5 reasons :Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikesta
-constant delays
-far slower speed than expected
-changing tune from "Intel killer" to "perf/w over current Opteron" in AMD's PR
-AMD stressing Spec_rate benchmarks ; that was a clear indication that single threaded performance sucks
-early benchmark figures ( some from AMD itself )
The whole thing boils down to : K10 has nothing over Core to suggest it will have better IPC; it is simply a K8 upped to Core-like level.I say Core-like because IMO Intel still has a few advantages such as better prefetch and vastly better L2s.
Cinebench is a test where K8 kept up with Core , even exceeded it clock/clock.From these results , it is obvious that K10 is slower clock/clock than K8 at least for this benchmark.I attribute this to the cache hierarchy , the cpu simply needs to search in more places for data and this takes time.
I would guess it's an ES as AMD does give them out, just sparingly..
I'm not usually surprised, most things in this game are somewhat predictable.
I can't beleive that AMD would release a chip with lesser capibilities than the current Intel offering KNOWING that Intel has even faster waiting in the wings with Penryn. After almost 40 years in the business world that flyies in the face of logic.
SO if that is wrong, what are the alternatives?
AMD is sandbagging Intel to get Intel to relax and not release Penryn a weel before AMD releases these?
That is sound business logic and It wouldn't surprise me.
That is the only option that makes sense to me.
They control their chips much better than Intel does in terms of who gets ES and might they have intentionally sent out "slow" cpu's?
Sound loudricous? Yes, but when the obvious fails then you look at the not so obvious..
Huh ?!Quote:
Originally Posted by duploxxx
How do you work this out ? bandwidth is something Amd never lacked, on the other hand it's also something that had minimal influence on the overall performance . I understand the scaling is not going to be linear, but we can't know for sure that it's going to be slower c4c untill it gets tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by MR_SmartAss
It's not entirely up to the cache, on that I would agree . That said, the newer celerons already showed that fewer cache handicappes the performance on core2s (in superpi at least), the scores are not very similar at all .Quote:
It is not up to the cache. Run a SPi test on a 2GHz Core2 with 512kB L2 and you'll get a very similar score to the one of the 4MB L2 Core2. Also the K10 has 2MB L3 which are being used and dedicated to only one core when needed and two independent integrated memory controllers providing twice the memory bandwidth of Core2.
I think you are giving AMD too much credit ; aren't they allowed to fail after all ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
you crazy silly man.....get some sleep:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
hmm doesnt look that good for barcelone.
But ill wait till more benches pop up.
If we lose AMD, then we will all be :banana::banana::banana::banana:edQuote:
Originally Posted by savantu
I believe you mean reasonable man :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by n91htmare
At this level of business you've got the company bet on it..Quote:
Originally Posted by savantu
The answer is no, your not allowed to fail and if I had $$ I'd buy AMD stock tomorrow!
We will see how nuts I am..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by n91htmare
Good night Gentlemen..,Glad to help out! Sleep calls.
But we have you who doesn't have single post on this forum for giving AMD and those benches at least little benefit of doubt!Quote:
Originally Posted by savantu
And just like nice Intel fan boy Mikesta you go ahead giving us ultimate sentence for K10: failed
way to go Sav :up:
Gentlemen: I can see whats about to happen and I'll ask EVERYONE to think before they type.
No flaming please..No Gloating, tonight only raises questions, it provides no difinitive answers..
Please, remember, here at Xs, friends first please.
The last thing I want to do tonight is play Mod and ban people so please respect each other and each others views..
Thank you and goodnight..
(Yes, I get all these posts into my email);)
I accept the reality of cold facts instead of replacing it with one of my own where K10 is the best thing since sliced bread...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
Oh yes, because God knows a single post is 100% accurate in reflecting any possible future for a processor :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by savantu
I doubt it ; Intel lost a lot of its power over the industry ; SW is becoming platform agnostic and the cellphone will ultimately replace the PC...Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
AMD will fail ; spending all their money on ATI instead of FABs was a turning point.
Secondly SOI is running out of steam ; AMD 65nm problems are part of ti and things will get far worse on 45nm.
He is reasonable when he tries to replace facts ( even deny his own tests ) with a conspiracy theory ? That's a new one.Quote:
I believe you mean reasonable man :rolleyes:
So independent Cinebech , wPrime , SuperPI , Fritz , Pov-ray scores together with AMD released Cinebench scores ( which support the independent ones ) all point to K10 being slower clock/clock than Core.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
I smell spring 06 Conroe-denial-syndrome once again...
well until I can play a DX11 game on my CellphoneQuote:
Originally Posted by savantu