Yeah it's funny that every board that comes the first few reviewers get 600 no prob and people think 600fsb is easy on air. Then no one else gets it when it hits mainstream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Yeah it's funny that every board that comes the first few reviewers get 600 no prob and people think 600fsb is easy on air. Then no one else gets it when it hits mainstream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
First time FSB increase. This board might hold some promise. VDIMM and CPU voltage bumped up and 5-5-5-15 set manually. All other setting at Optimized Defaults. SuperPi time sucks but FSB not bad for Optimized Defaults.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/.../500fsb32m.jpg
it does high fsb with low voltages (nb, fsb, vcore)
http://www.muenster.de/~e30pics/Bild...5/Prime-01.jpg
Please can you try to give Vcpu 1.2v +130 and read the voltage effective to bios??..I read 1.4v....bad...must be 1.56v
Thx
anyone know what bios has unlock multipliers ?
So 600FSB is easy with quads as well??
I doubt it.. still cpu fsb wall will be a factor..
my E6750 GO ES on P5K Deluxe max 495-500FSB... on DFI LP UT P35-T2R still max is 495-500FSB
DFI LP UT P35-T2R: Max FSB E6750 G0 ES
Next is looking at MAX FSB. My E6750 on Asus P5K Deluxe maxed out at 495-500FSB with CPU PLL 1.8v voltage. I suspect this is a cpu FSB wall as it's pretty much the same on DFI LP UT P35-T2R maxing out FSB around 495-500FSB but needing CPU PLL 1.95v since next option below it was 1.75v with clockgen voltage at 3.75v. I could boot into memtest86+ v1.70 at 506FSB but it would hang in test #7 (which might be a good test for max FSB for cpus ? ).
System
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 ES - L710A438 G0
- Scythe Infinity with modded mount + 120x25mm Spire 96cfm fan
- Transpiper heatsink NOT installed
- DFI LP UT P35-T2R 8/10 bios flashed from 7/27
- 128MB Gainward FX5200 PCI
- 2GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC2-8500 naked modules Green dimm slots
- 80GB Hitachi 7K80 SATA
- LiteON CD-RW
- 700W OCZ GameXStream
- WinXP Pro SP2
7x500FSB 1:1
Single Super Pi 32M needed 2.19v bios set vdimm but dual Super Pi 32M needed 2.27v vdimm
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...3m35s516ms.png
Half way mark for dual 32M
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...al_halfway.png
Dual Super Pi 32M complete
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...pi32m_dual.png
Everest Bandwidth & Cinebench R10
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_..._bandwidth.png http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...enchr10_tn.png
Bios Settings Used:
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CPU Feature
- Thermal Management Control: Disabled
- PPM(EIST) Mode: Disabled
- Limit CPUID MaxVal: Disabled
- CIE Function: Disabled
- Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
- Virtualization Technology: Disabled
- Core Multi-Processing: Enabled
Exist Setup Shutdown: Mode 2
CLOCK VC0 divider: AUTO
CPU Clock Ratio Unlock: Enabled
CPU Clock Ratio: 7x
- Target CPU Clock: 3500Mhz
CPU Clock: 500FSB
Boot Up Clock: AUTO
DRAM Speed: 333MHZ/667MHZ
- Target DRAM Speed: DDR2-1001Mhz
PCIE Clock: 100Mhz
Voltage Settings
CPU VID Control: 1.4625v
CPU VID Special Add: AUTO
DRAM Voltage Control: 2.19v
SB 1.05V Voltage: 1.15v
SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage: 1.95v
NB Core Voltage: 1.50v
CPU VTT Voltage: 1.40v
Vcore Droop Control: Enabled
Clockgen Voltage Control: 3.75v
GTL+ Buffers Strength: Strong
Host Slew Rate: Weak
GTL REF Voltage Control: Disable
x CPU GTL1/3 REF Volt: 110
x CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt: 110
x North Bridge GTL REF Volt: 110
DRAM Timing
- Enhance Data transmitting: FAST
- Enhance Addressing: FAST
- Channel 1 CLK fine delay: 14
- Channel 2 CLK fine delay: 14
(values in brackets next to AUTO is what memset sees)
CAS Latency Time (tCL): 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD): 4
RAS# Precharge (tRP): 4
Precharge Delay (tRAS): 9
All Precharge to Act: 4
REF to ACT Delay (tRFC): 30
Performance Level: 7
Read delay phase adjust: AUTO
MCH ODT Latency: AUTO
Write to PRE Delay (tWR): 11
Rank Write to Read (tWTR): 11
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD): 3
Read to Write Delay (tRDWR): 8
Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR): AUTO
Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD): AUTO
Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD): AUTO
Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP): 3
ALL PRE to Refresh: AUTO 4
PCIE Slot Config: 1X 1X
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum: Disabled
7x500FSB 5:6 divider
Notes:
- With 5:6 didvider tWR and tWTR actually show same values in memset as what's set in bios which differs from 1:1 divider where tWR and tWTR show 1 value below in memset compared to what is set in bios.
Single Super Pi 1M & 32M
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...m_14s296ms.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...3m28s531ms.png
Half way mark for dual 32M
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...2m_halfway.png
Dual Super Pi 32M complete
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...pi32m_dual.png
Everest Bandwidth & Cinebench R10
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_..._bandwidth.png http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...enchr10_tn.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_..._validated.png
Bios Settings Used:
Quote:
CPU Feature
- Thermal Management Control: Disabled
- PPM(EIST) Mode: Disabled
- Limit CPUID MaxVal: Disabled
- CIE Function: Disabled
- Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
- Virtualization Technology: Disabled
- Core Multi-Processing: Enabled
Exist Setup Shutdown: Mode 2
CLOCK VC0 divider: AUTO
CPU Clock Ratio Unlock: Enabled
CPU Clock Ratio: 7x
- Target CPU Clock: 3500Mhz
CPU Clock: 500FSB
Boot Up Clock: AUTO
DRAM Speed: 266MHZ/667MHZ
- Target DRAM Speed: DDR2-1201Mhz
PCIE Clock: 100Mhz
Voltage Settings
CPU VID Control: 1.4375v
CPU VID Special Add: AUTO
DRAM Voltage Control: 2.27v
SB 1.05V Voltage: 1.15v
SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage: 1.95v
NB Core Voltage: 1.53v
CPU VTT Voltage: 1.40v
Vcore Droop Control: Enabled
Clockgen Voltage Control: 3.75v
GTL+ Buffers Strength: Strong
Host Slew Rate: Weak
GTL REF Voltage Control: Disable
x CPU GTL1/3 REF Volt: 110
x CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt: 110
x North Bridge GTL REF Volt: 110
DRAM Timing
- Enhance Data transmitting: FAST
- Enhance Addressing: FAST
- Channel 1 CLK fine delay: 14
- Channel 2 CLK fine delay: 14
(values in brackets next to AUTO is what memset sees)
CAS Latency Time (tCL): 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD): 5
RAS# Precharge (tRP): 4
Precharge Delay (tRAS): 9
All Precharge to Act: 4
REF to ACT Delay (tRFC): 30
Performance Level: 7
Read delay phase adjust: AUTO
MCH ODT Latency: AUTO
Write to PRE Delay (tWR): 11
Rank Write to Read (tWTR): 11
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD): 3
Read to Write Delay (tRDWR): 8
Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR): AUTO
Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD): AUTO
Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD): AUTO
Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP): 3
ALL PRE to Refresh: AUTO 4
PCIE Slot Config: 1X 1X
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum: Disabled
so no better then the Gigabyte P35 DQ6? I think it is time to cancel my order i placed last night. OBR got 600FSB maybe he got a cherry.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Hmmm
Kind of glad MotherBoardPro is still awaiting the next shipment (8/22 now)
I only wanted this board because of the incredible performance first posted.
So this board is apparently no that much better than the P5K I already have?
What's the verdict?
Again, you're looking into FSB far too much. P35 seems like a very stable and robust chipset and most boards based on it will be able to handle high FSB untill the chip hits it's wall.
So unless you have a chip like OBR/Oskar which has a higher wall than what most boards can provide then there won't be much difference between boards.
The only difference is how well the bios' lets the end user manipulate strap performance, memory clocking. These things will show difference in synthetic benchmarks but for a 24/7 overclocker who uses their desktop for daily things such as game - probably won't.
I believe Oskar must be level better at nForce chipsets than other R&D people at other firms because the LP NF2 Ultra B and the NF3 250GB and the NF4 ranger were all top of their game boards. It seems every motherboard manufacturer is able to put out intel based boards which are good clockers.
On any 965/P35 board max FSB = CPU. As far as FSB is concerned a P5B wil perfom just as good.
Not acording to OBRQuote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
Agreed. If you alread own a high FSB P965 board, I seen no reason to grab a p35 board unless your running into trouble overclocking a quad core. My DFI P965 board will do 505FSB prime stable, & overclock my quads 400 X 9 or 445 X 8. With the X38 chipset coming out in a month I'm skipping p35.Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
Hmmm well I have cancelled my order for the DFI board. I am still pushing the P5K to it's edges and think that will hold me till X38 comes out.
Thanks for the input--great thread :up:
I was referring to dual core yes should have mentioned that. For quad P35 does help.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
eva2000......128MB Gainward FX5200 PCI
I used ati x300, but now 2900xt...mmm...It's to hard that frequency and stability with ram.....and i'll try whith cross.....we will see;)
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For 965 > 550 fsb , there are difference between boards ...Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
For P35 > 580 fsb , there are difference between boards ...
Not any P35 board can handle >600 mhz fsb ...
Believe that , it's the fact ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Well, with the extremely low sample rate at the current time we cannot determine and conclusive results. Until these boards started hitting the market from mass retailers like newegg, we won't know it's true 'mainstream' potential.
However, if you are saying you hit 500 FSB, on air, with little to no tweaking, i'm thinking that this board is going to hit 600 FSB on a lot of peoples systems with BETTER cooling, and extreme tweaking. But this is just a guess.
Well every other user on these boards has seen FSB walls, including Hipro5 who I'm more inclined to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
There was a good thread about FSB walls in which he contributed and there was a lot of talk about CPU PLL voltage before it became available as a bios option on premium motherboards.
I hope one of you lucky owners of this board can try out the transpiper on the cpu to see if it actually helps. This is a very interesting idea from DFI if it works. Every degree counts when clocking these hot quad cores. If DFI would sell the transpiper seperately it might be interesting to see how the board behaves with it mounted on both the SB and cpu.
Has anyone has any issues with this board while setting it up, posting etc? Just curious if there is anything we should be watching out for. BTW, does the board squeal like the Dark boards do?
Thanks.
Sorry guys, wondering as well. Anyone using a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme on this board? Any mounting issues? I am wondering how close to the dimm slots this cooler will be if using a 38mm fan on the right side of the heatsink and whether or not I will be able to mount any ram coolers without it getting in the way.
2 beta bios out there , where are they? Your link goes no where:shrug:
Quote:
Originally Posted by EternityZX9
Setup is about as easy as it gets. This is loading Optimized Defaults. The only changes made was an increase of CPU and VDIMM voltage and multiplier set to 6x.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/...440/530fsb.jpg
If its a myth then every one of the cpus mentioned above can do 6x 600fsb?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
Ive tested LOT of cpus and mobos (now i have at home E6600, E6850, E6850 ES, QX6700, X3210, Q6600 ad 5 various mobos) and no one from these has a FSB wall! This si an myth! Every from this chip can work at 600x6, or for example 400x9 ...
I agreed, chips has max frequency wall it is clear, but FSB wall do not exists ... if you are thought you reached FSB wall on some CPU try it on another Mobo, and you will se no more FSB walls ...
I really wish they would make a board that has all the overclocking goodies but without the gimmicks... Im sure this transpiper works but is it needed? He broake the fsb WR using a regualr heatsink so I guess the answer is not.... I hope the infinity board has all the good stuff ( solid caps, voltage options etc ) as well, especially the same mem contoller...