You just stated most everyone's greatest hatred of DRM. I mean, it should just always work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
If you payed for it, why should you be limited?
If you didnt, why the hell would you keep the DRM?
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You just stated most everyone's greatest hatred of DRM. I mean, it should just always work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
If you payed for it, why should you be limited?
If you didnt, why the hell would you keep the DRM?
What about hardware developers that are forcing you to use Vista by not releasing XP drivers for there Notebooks!
Vista is way to fresh *caugh*SP1*cough*, let the Underground use it for a bit make programs that will let you disable all the new rubish it offers and tweak it so it will work the way you wont it to work...
I know you are fustrated but the real enemy for the HD-DVD/Blueray is the movie studios. In order to build support for these formats Microsoft needs to follow a set of standards/licences set by the movie studios, HDMI™ group, HDCP group, CSS, etc in order to have a right to sell it legaly to consumers. Not only that but you need to have compatable hardware to use these standards too. Its not that Microsoft wanted to do it but it was the only way to legaly support HD content on their os.
This whole era of HD has been a mess, its confusing to consumers since they need to know what is compatable with what. As far as other media I havent have a problem, there are pleny of HD movies on the net stripped of DRM and some programs that will rip HD formats just like dvd. But I am staying away from any "media" that has DRM in it.
But you have a right to rant but just know who the real bastards are.
There is one program that will make Vista 32 or 64 run any protected hddvd content.
But i think i cannot post here because in country where server is i bet there law that makes softwares that provide workarounds for copy and play protection technologies, are illeagal.
I dont get anything pirated I have the it the Legit way, expensive but I just dont want to have anything illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by iLeo
haha this thread is funny. Too many people on the vista hating bandwagon seem to be confused over who they should be blaming. Blame the studios if your equipment isn't fully HDCP compliant.
I for one have had no problems playing any content on vista ult 64 here.
I personally have a pirated version of vista and DAM its sweet. I seriously have gigs of music which I listen through iTunes and watch my many gigs of movies with Nero and some with vlc and DVX. I have had no problems with vista yet (knock on wood) i get all the updates and my drivers are fine. U just have to work around Microsoft like a prostitute, no kissing; just sex.
Kunaack, if you want my version, let me know.
i have vista be with the vista be developers edition from school and it has no drm, but it is missing a bunch of codecs, like the audio codecs for 320 bit mp3 files
and if u want to have no drm from hddvd or vlue ray just go and get dvd region free, its like $20 and it will let u change drm flags like allowing analog playback and full quality on unsigned devices, its also not a crack or warez file its a illegitimate piece of software
but once u get all of the codecs in vista works great, on both be dev and home premium
No, How about we blame the studios, microsoft and all the other companies invovled for making up this HDCP bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: in the first place! HDCP is completely and totally unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by ludeboy12
Choices?Quote:
Originally Posted by apexracing
Are you sure about that apexracing? Looks like a narrow choice to me, limit of 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
as for the hd crap, I'm with Kun here, if I bought the crap to watch something, I should be allowed to watch it, period.
I know this doesn't help the OP, but I have no problems playing anything I have burned over the years on XP on Vista. That includes movies and music. Of course I do not use Media Player so I am not sure if that is the issue here, but Winamp plays all my music I aquired and burned over the years. It's hard to blame M$ about HDCP since that was jammed down all our throats by the movie makers, but it sure is sad that stuff just doesn't work, especially when it is legal......
I just installed CyberLink Power DVD (OEM came with a DVD burner) and it too has no problems playing any movies I burned under XP.
Eh, I have used Vista 64 for quite some time with none of these issues. All my old videos worked fine, along with pictures and music. Just had to download all the various codecs. :shrug:
Hate to break it, but all my Vista escapaes show Vista to be unreliable, crashy, and PAINFULLY slow. I don't mean 'a bit', I mean making a dual-core 2.8 GHz system with 2 GB PC5400 run like a fuggin' Pentium2 with 256 MB. It was ABSOLUTELY unacceptible.
M$ just suggested I buy a new computer. What, THAT isn't good enough!? What do you want, a quad-core 4 GHz system with 16 GB PC6400!?
After two hours trying to get :banana::banana::banana::banana: to run on Vista, I have to agree with the OP. Vista is the biggest pile of :banana::banana::banana::banana: that came out of MS for a long time. None of the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing programs are compatible with it. I tried for hours to disable the Vista nannies and road blocks hoping the programs would work, but after two hours some stuff still does work right (namely 1ClickDVD Copy Pro). So :banana::banana::banana::banana: Vista, unless every :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing DRM and restrictions are cracked, I won't be touching it even if it means no gaming on PC. I'll save my :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing money and buy all three consoles.
:D :D :D - wow u even changed ur avatar *thats* how pissed u r - *noted* :D:D:D :rofl: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by awdrifter
:D :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
what i'd do to get a chance to suck all that off his hdd :D
Yea, I usually don't see a need for a sig or avatar, but in this case, it's needed. With Vista my friend's 1.8ghz Turion X2 feels slower than my single core 2ghz Athlon64 laptop. And all these incompatibility problems are just pissing me off.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
DRM is a joke. It has to die, it cannot go on, it will die.
While DRM does suck, i'm :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing sick and tired of people complaining about incompatibility. It's not Vista's fault some of your hardware dosn't work, jump down the throat of your hardware vendor. MS dosn't have :banana::banana::banana::banana: to do w/ your crappy HW not working. If you're gonna :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about something, :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about the DRM or how slow Vista can be pre SP1. However SP1 fixes alot of performance issues soo.... i guess you're just left to complain about the DRM......
Funny thing is I havn't had 1 friggin problem with DRM yet and i've been using Vista ult/business pre release, and i'm managing 600+ Vista laptops and none of them have problems....
how many guys that post in this thread actually get the joke that Kunaak made here heheheh
Could you please share with me what the joke was, coz it surely looks like he meant it to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Vista has nothing to do with compatibility huh? let's see, your hardware installs fine in Windows 95, 98, 2000, XP machines perfectly fine, you install it into a vista machine and then it stops working or has reduced functionality. This is the hardware's fault? How? Vista was made AFTER the hardware was made. It IS vista's fault for not working with already existing software and hardware. We all know why vista is so incompatible, it's because vista is trying to protect their DRM schemes by locking out certain applications and hardware devices from the kernel, that is vista's fault, not the hardware manufacturer's fault. :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by [cTx]Baleful
Imagine making a physics processor intended for Windows, and then all of a sudden microsoft says ":banana::banana::banana::banana: it!" we're going straight to the linux kernel, we don't like the NT kernel. Now your physics card doesn't work with this new version of windows because it has a linux kernel and was designed around the windows kernel, are you telling me that it is entirely the manufacturer's fault that they couldn't predict exactly what microsoft was going to do? That is completely asinine...:mad: :rolleyes:
I :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing hate all these "haters" who rag on manufacturers for making hardware/software that is incompatible with microsoft's future products. It is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing absurd to assume that it was simply "bad programming/design" for the reason why things don't work with newer operating systems/service packs. If anything, these are great designers, because it shows they care and they worked diligently in optimizing their software and hardware to the specifications SETFORTH by microsoft. So when microsoft changes THEIR OWN parameters for what IS and ISN'T acceptable to run/do within succeeding operating systems, leaving software/hardware high and dry, can you really blame these manufacturers? NO! It isn't their damned fault that microsoft has setforth specifications for their operating systems that are contradicted at a later date with a system update or OS upgrade now is it?
The only reason why a program or hardware device can be so compatible with a newer operating system is not because it is "SO good, so properly done", no.. The only reason it could work is because either the manufacturer had to rewrite all their drivers again because microsoft can't make up their :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing mind or because their drivers initially were so unoptimized, that it didn't execute instructions that the newer OS would consider "illegal instructions" due to its conservative programming. So basically you're advocating inefficient hardware and software development in order to anticipate microsoft's next move.
An example of this is the ATI Rage Fury Maxx, everyone hates this card because it works fine in Windows 98 but not in Windows 2000. You can't say they did a bad job of developing this card at all, if anything they made something that wasn't really possible, possible. The only reason why this card doesn't work (2 GPUS utilized) in 2000/XP is because Windows 98 allowed for more low level access, Windows 2000 and XP don't so much, vista is reduced much much further. That's all it is, reduced low level functionality. Programs that don't work with newer OS's don't work simply because they're optimized at a low level which increases program performance. However because there are TONS of programs written, the ones that use low level access are the ones that if done improperly can take out a machine and therefore microsoft ended up saying "no more this or that function starting NOW!" which :banana::banana::banana::banana:s up anything made before that declaration. I understand why microsoft did what they did and I accept for the most part what they did with Windows 2000 because that DID end up improving system stability, but with vista, it seems their only goal is to lockdown YOUR system and control YOUR system to how THEY want to. They WANT DRM they want you to NOT beable to bypass it and therefore it is in their best interest to lock down their operating system and be able to control it to their demands.
Just seeing microsoft's ability to brick XBOX360s should prove beyond a doubt that their intentions are anything but "pure". I used to hate apple exclusively, but since microsoft has become just like apple, possibly worse, I equally hate both of them now, which is sad IMO.