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05-04-2007, 03:08 PM
theteamaqua

so for say FX Agena .. the Bus speed is actually 1800MHz not 3600Mhz??
05-04-2007, 03:10 PM
mstp2009

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Originally Posted by theteamaqua

so for say FX Agena .. the Bus speed is actually 1800MHz not 3600Mhz??

Probably a double-pumped 1800MHz.
05-04-2007, 03:17 PM
Frank M

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Nobody seems to object when someone hypes it up. But if someone disagree to get back to a sane level its all crapping, fanboism and more :confused:

And what has this to do with what you were doing? :rolleyes:

Let's try to keep this on topic, people. Only post info, news, etc.
05-04-2007, 04:24 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Well, its hard not to go that way when poeple start the hype and imagination engine.

PS3, RD600, R600 and Conroe+Penryn all took that path lately. Nobody seems to object when someone hypes it up. But if someone disagree to get back to a sane level its all crapping, fanboism and more :confused:

Lets look...
PS3 wasnt the super killer console.
RD600 didnt clock and perform in a godlike fashion.
R600 seems to be a 8800GTS competitor now.
Conroe didnt perform 50% better, but more like 20%.
Penryn wont be 4Ghz.

And we could go on. Yet its blasphamy to say K10 wont be the miracle on earth.

So perhaps crapping should be defined when people mix dreams with reality :stick:

If all the hype is for nothing, the official performance numbers will bring the people "down" to reality.

I don't need self-appointed crusaders convincing people a product is going to suck before release...behaviour that goes in line with my disdain for R600 coverage at DT.

And I'm making that a rule...so unless you want your posts edited, stay out if you're not a fan of the product...at least until you see official launch numbers.

Perkam
05-04-2007, 04:36 PM
theteamaqua

Quote:

Originally Posted by mstp2009

Probably a double-pumped 1800MHz.

oh so :

Conroe: 266fsb, 1066fsb quad pumped
Agena FX: 1800Mhz HT, 3600MHz double pumped

something like that??

so when we oc Phenom X4 we oc HT bus??
05-04-2007, 04:42 PM
mstp2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

oh so :

Conroe: 266fsb, 1066fsb quad pumped
Agena FX: 1800Mhz HT, 3600MHz double pumped

something like that??

so when we oc Phenom X4 we oc HT bus??

Well, if it is like the HT bus on K8, they can be run asyc with a minimal performance hit (< 1%) and you can OC the core and keep the bus within spec.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, it has been a year since I used a K8.
05-04-2007, 05:31 PM
Kingcarcas

About freakin' time, Phenom X2 2.4 ghz FTW!:banana:

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Originally Posted by trakslacker

alright: are you pronouncing Phenom as "fee-nom" or as in the word "venom".

I'm in the fee-nom camp.

So am i, growing up watching the Undertaker :D
05-04-2007, 07:32 PM
FghtinIrshNvrDi

Quote:

Originally Posted by mstp2009

Well, if it is like the HT bus on K8, they can be run asyc with a minimal performance hit (< 1%) and you can OC the core and keep the bus within spec.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, it has been a year since I used a K8.

sounds right to me, sir. There's a little leeway, but I never got any real performance increases from increased HT bus. best to keep it as close to spec as possible.

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Originally Posted by trakslacker

alright: are you pronouncing Phenom as "fee-nom" or as in the word "venom".

I'm in the fee-nom camp.

I'm in the 'venom' camp.

Ryan
05-04-2007, 07:46 PM
trakslacker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingcarcas

About freakin' time, Phenom X2 2.4 ghz FTW!:banana:

So am i, growing up watching the Undertaker :D

Exactly. 'Taker sealed the deal for me. :)
05-04-2007, 08:01 PM
Okda

i think the later Kuma with TDP = 45w will be a nice cpu for overclockers, something like the E4300 now
05-04-2007, 09:41 PM
breakfromyou

So...for the 2.4 GHz models...does that mean 200x12?
05-04-2007, 10:18 PM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

oh so :

Conroe: 266fsb, 1066fsb quad pumped
Agena FX: 1800Mhz HT, 3600MHz double pumped

something like that??

so when we oc Phenom X4 we oc HT bus??

Not entirely, according to the Hypertransport group. It will be 1800Mhz one way, 1800Mhz the other way. I think someone mixed up transfers with ghz.
http://www.hypertransport.org/tech/tech_htthree.cfm

However I also think they are twice as wide now as before.
So, at 1.8Ghz (Lowest speed) I guess it would be 14.4GB/sec, compared to todays 6.4 and 8GB/sec.

Else a 100mbit line would be 200Mbit too. If you count the same way.

And yes on the last part.
05-04-2007, 10:45 PM
theteamaqua

ahh i see what u mean .. cuz i thought they like double pumped or something ..

so HT is actually 1800MHz
05-05-2007, 01:39 AM
madcho

Actual HT is 2000mhz. 1000mhz up & 1000mhz down for one link in 16bits.

HT 3.0 can go up to 2.6ghz ( 5.2ghz ), with a 0.75x factor a maximum of 3.466ghz for the CPU, And for kuma 2.8ghz with HT@ 4.2ghz => 2.1ghz up and 2.1ghz down for a bandwidth of 16.8GB/s, about 110% better. ( actual provide 8GB/s )

Quad have lower HT, but Quad can run on AM2 with a minimal performance loss, a lower HT 3.0, is not serious.

About Barcelona, Barcelona has 3 link HT @1000mhz, the next one will have 3 ht link on HT 3.0.

I'm interessted by 4x4+ ^^
05-05-2007, 01:47 AM
MAS

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/40546.pdf

k10 instruction latencies are now well-known
theoretically we needn't tests to become aware of k10 computing power

Microarchitecture comparison here
05-05-2007, 02:17 AM
Frank M

Quote:

Originally Posted by trakslacker

alright: are you pronouncing Phenom as "fee-nom" or as in the word "venom".

I'm in the fee-nom camp.

Like in the word "phenomenon". :p:

Phenom like venom? Sounds like the Hungarian word "finom" to me, which means
sweet/tasty :cool: :D
05-05-2007, 03:10 AM
XS Janus

The increased clocks sound good to me...
Remember a few days back some AMD exec said that K10 is performing up to 50% better (?) than Kensfield on the same clock... But everyone knows that Intel will raise their clocks conciderably, so most likely they will perform pretty much the same given a same price frame.
Overclocking and ease of upgrade will win our hearts this time...
05-05-2007, 03:57 AM
informal

AMD is Throwing a Party!

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Originally Posted by Kyle@HardOCP

On the evening of May 10th, AMD is throwing a party in San Francisco for you! There will be demos of the soon-to-market Barcelona and Radeon 2900 XT as well as the chance the play Prey DM on some of the newest AMD hardware. AMD staff will be there to answer your questions. Our own HardForum members will get priority and are encouraged to take pictures and post about the event. Please email Kyle@HardOCP.com with an invitation request for you and a guest. I will be there as well as other Web journalists to partake in the fun. You must be 21 and IDs will be checked at the door. See you there, Kyle!

http://www.hardocp.com/

Seems BArcelonas will be up and running in San Francisco soon: ).
Can someone go there and grab some pictures ? :D :D :D
05-05-2007, 04:08 AM
madcho

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Originally Posted by informal

http://www.hardocp.com/

Seems BArcelonas will be up and running in San Francisco soon: ).
Can someone go there and grab some pictures ? :D :D :D

google>in car 11 513 km (about 31 days 7 hours) :(

and :

Quote:

Traverser l'océan Atlantique à la nage

To cross the Atlantic Ocean to the stroke :slapass:
05-05-2007, 04:11 AM
Apollonas

Hi to everyone thats my first post here.:banana:

Quote:

Originally Posted by XS Janus

The increased clocks sound good to me...
Remember a few days back some AMD exec said that K10 is performing up to 50% better (?) than Kensfield on the same clock... But everyone knows that Intel will raise their clocks conciderably, so most likely they will perform pretty much the same given a same price frame.
Overclocking and ease of upgrade will win our hearts this time...

It wont be so easy. If intel going to have higher cloacks just to match the performance with amd, then Intel has to be sure that it would left enough room for overcloacking it, otherwise ocing the Amd chip with the lower cloacks to higher you will have again the same 50% lap in perfomance.
05-05-2007, 08:22 AM
XS Janus

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Originally Posted by Apollonas

Hi to everyone thats my first post here.:banana:

It wont be so easy. If intel going to have higher cloacks just to match the performance with amd, then Intel has to be sure that it would left enough room for overcloacking it, otherwise ocing the Amd chip with the lower cloacks to higher you will have again the same 50% lap in perfomance.

Yep, you are right for pointing that out, but bare in mind that 45nm proces used will surely alow intel to stay in the current tdp, and the whole architecture has proven it self to be made for OCing.
I agree, with you and can't wait to se the end results, and I hope AMD will surprise us with great OCability but I not betting on them in recent light
05-05-2007, 09:59 AM
w0mbat

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/40546.pdf
05-05-2007, 10:05 AM
MAS

w0mbat, look at #68
05-05-2007, 10:11 AM
w0mbat

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Originally Posted by MAS

w0mbat, look at #68

Damn, im just too slow. Shame on me :slapass:
05-05-2007, 10:53 AM
gOJDO

I want to see a K10 benchmark!

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