Opterons are run off the same silicon as the FX cpu's, so if you want high fsb CPU's these are a good choice. Don't get me wrong if I was going to buy a cpu i would get a 146.
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Opterons are run off the same silicon as the FX cpu's, so if you want high fsb CPU's these are a good choice. Don't get me wrong if I was going to buy a cpu i would get a 146.
run a divider...simple fixQuote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
Tony plsplspls test some BH5 RAM at high vdimm..............
Nice work with the preview Tony :)
Have you tried out the overclocking with 2x1GB kits yet? Do they overclock better on 200CF-DR compared to "older" DFI NF4 platforms?
Hehe, I know Tony... ;) Waiting for your results :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Tomorrow now guys, 3am and im beat.
unless you need to loosen max async and premable to run divider versus tight max async/preamble at 1:1 well for super pi at least hehQuote:
Originally Posted by Tony
will test my opteron 144/146s on DFI Crossfire whenever the board is available http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=1536 :)
anyone else think the Anandtech review was confusing? I mean they used all different vidcards for comparison. It's ALMOST like comparing oranges to apples, ALMOST! I don't see why they couldnt have just stuck to one vidcard. Not a true comparison when one of hte main components constantly changes.
funnny you ask..Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...d.php?t=191999
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*agreed* it a bit dissapointing actuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by situman
No UTT/BH stuff testen :slap: why?!
Its a high voltage board with great options... so can a dfi rep speak up and say if it CAN or CANT do 4x512 UTT 1T?
Lovely high voltage options but why use them if its all aimed at TCCD stuff.
Lots of buyers are the semi-budget guys (like me) who buy relatively cheap UTT (compared to expensive TCCD) and wana give it some nice volts for daily and some big volts for benching)
With the cheap utt they buy a venice 3000/3200 (mine does almost 2900mhz on air) but when the HTT is held low because they have to make a comprimise with the 4x512 1T for TCCD the low end amd's cant get to their max.
So make me some pie! uuuh... i mean give me UTT results :rolleyes:
And preferebly a BT board that does 4x512 1t for my daily gaming ^^
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I have two hitachi T7K250, switching SATA1 and SATA2 back and forth but didn't find any advantage so IF the xpert turns out to be the same as this xfire I know the SATA2 won't be missed by me for sure!! :D :D :D
Tony, by the way...thanks for the review, I don't think anybody ask you this....but how hot does the chipset get when you overclocked? is it in the 50~60'C range underload ?
hehe...I'm already looking for bigger chipset hs/f to fit on the xpert when it comes out :D :D
@ Vandread
WELL said........BUT......Don't "lock" your mind on 4 x 512MB DS 1T that DFI can deliver!......Do you REALLY need it that much?......I think not......We need over 250MHz to do our "job" properly.....So forget about "DFI's 1T" thing......It's a commercial "trick" as for me.....FOCUS on the overall performance of the board and what DFI has done till now that others just can't!.......1T @ 200MHz is for newbie’s......NOT?....... ;)
As for me, I'll buy one of these mobos to pair it with my upcoming FX57 CPU and I'll post my findings and my thoughts about it when the time comes..... ;)
@ Tony
Not very clear image...... :)
Exactly :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
The whole 1T 4xDS is nice BUT we dont want to comprimise ... and it seems like that is what happened? :stick:
PS: i was like you... always typing with lots of DOTS
But i'm cutting down on the dots :p:
Oh, come on......Give me a break!........You want to say that you are going to use your mousepot/DI container and freeze that baby with Dry Ice/LN2 and you will have the USB stick to copy movies in it?........ :D :cheer2:Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
Yeap sure it will..... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Troman
I think that you like teasing ppl like I do ....... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
How are the sensors on this motherboard, how many, what do they monitor?
Poor usb performance ╛No real reason for me having bought this 2gb ocz rally drive. :S lol
My old neo 2 does 365htt stable it costs $73.
1t at 200mhz means nothing to me, cool you guys got it working, props. Sure showed amd lol, but I never run less then 250htt.
How is the cold bug issue with this board? Has it been solved, this would be great!
Does running with the old style p4 connecter instead of the 8 pin effect overclocking, what does the 8 pin do exaclty, will ocz make an adapter, for those of use that just bought there psu's lol, brand new and out of date now dam it. lol
Thanks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandread
Wes recieved the board friday, DFI wanted the review friday night which was impossible. Like all normal people Wes wanted time off over the weekend but tested as much as he could.
He also tested 7800GTX and crossfire to show the fastest card and the best ATI can muster in crossfire mode, i thought you would have actually liked that point.
The Anandtech full bench suit takes 3 days to complete, the graphs take a day maybe longer then the write up takes 2 to 5 days, he had to condense a little to get the review up on monday as DFI and the buying public demanded this.
If you want more indepth im sure when a round up comes along you will see even more benches etc
If he had 2gig ballistix im sure he would have tested with them, fact is he has a 1gig kit not a 2 gig kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
He had the board friday, from lunchtime EST and DFI wanted a review that day, he pushed it back to monday to add in as much as he could.
Jason, read the motherboard reviews o Anandtech, they use OCZ TCCD for the reviews so he did remain constant.
JasonQuote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
You will be not be buying this board, IT IS NOT FOR YOU
Well he will be disapointed, no sata2, poor usb, TCCD does not clock as high...do i need to go on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
He does nothing but moan about the review,and feels we are trying to cover something up but he does not read what is right in front of him.
I have posted exactly what i found, i have even said if you have a good NF4 rig and you were moving to this one JUST for overclcoking i would not bother.
Now, if you you want to play with crossfire and you want good overclcoking also then this may be an option for you.
lets remember, i have had the board just a few days, i have the initial shipping bios, so it may get better with the next bios release.
How are the sensors on this motherboard, how many, what do they monitor?
Just the same as the NF4
Poor usb performance ╛No real reason for me having bought this 2gb ocz rally drive. :S lol
My old neo 2 does 365htt stable it costs $73.
1t at 200mhz means nothing to me, cool you guys got it working, props. Sure showed amd lol, but I never run less then 250htt.
Again try running 200 1t 4 dimms on your board, the fact this one does it is nice but yes I agree its not for the overclocker
How is the cold bug issue with this board? Has it been solved, this would be great!
No idea, but it is a move in the right direction to solve it
Does running with the old style p4 connecter instead of the 8 pin effect overclocking, what does the 8 pin do exaclty, will ocz make an adapter, for those of use that just bought there psu's lol, brand new and out of date now dam it. lol
You can run with the 4 pin, so no worries
the ULI south bridge will fix alot of the Sata and usd problems that the ati SB brings to the table.
but sacrificing alittle is better than RMAing mobos every month.
My DFI ultra so far has cost me alot in shipping charges.
Tony, you mentioned before that Oscar had posted news that he got 4 x 512mb sticks running at 1T on current Nf4 boards through a new bios but we have heard nothing since. Have you actually recieved this bios? Is it available to us?
The NF4 ultra D will never run 4dimms 1t, it needs a hardware change to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
i will have a bios that does the REAL cas1.5 on the NF4....the one thats there now is actually cas2 it seems.
For the READING challenged. LOOK AT THE LITTLE RED BARS, they are the tests with the 6800 Ultra. This is the same card used in testing every other board on the chart.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
The gold bars are the 7800GTX results. They are in the review for those who would complain otherwise "Why are you testing with the 6800 Ultra when it's obsolete. I don't care if all your Socket 939 board tests are also with the 6800U". The purple bars are the Crossfire X850XT, just to see if it worked. THE GOLD AND PURPLE BARS ARE FOR REFERENCE.
All this is explained, as always, in the Test Setup.
What I really want to know, and you say this board will be similar to the "expert" is how it does with the high voltage, low latency rams relative to the nf4 boards out already!
Just the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by Weee
Our standard motherboard test suite does NOT include Sandra or Everest, though I do use both in Memory reviews. Therefore there was not a database of Sandra and Everest to compare to other motherboards. I ran the tests for myself, but an isolated test result is an advertisement and not a review. You need to compare to other boards for a review. There are already plenty of web sites who test an isolated board, post great results in a vacuum, and give it an Editors Choice. That is the real joke in your comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
Reviewing is about consistent comparison, which is why our standard memory results are currently TCCD on the A64. Tony and I did test and find OK Infineon 1GB, TCCD, BH5, Ballistix 51MB, and VX (CH5). The only problem memory was Hynix, which is not much used any more. However, to report results for any of these, without comparison numbers, would not have been a review. I also just received Crucial Ballistix 2GB, and since Oskar used the Ballistix 1GB dimms to test and tweak the board we have every reason to expect they will perofrm great on the RDX200. This is like TCCD was used by Oskar for the DFI nF4.
Mr. Icee is now doing some reviews for AT. Why don't you email him and ask him about our test suite at AT. He can tell you more about the time it takes for testing, and what we do in testing to assure comparability of results.
Since you're so loudly disappointed I have a challenge for you. Email me your shipping address and I'll provide you the full AT test suite on 7 DVDs for your testing. If you publicly agree to accept this challenge we can arrange with DFI to ship you a RDX200 on loan for testing. You then have a little over 24 hours, like I did, to test the DFI RDX200, and then return the board. Since it's an exclusive review and boards start selling Tuesday morning there are no other review results for Reference and you can't use the ones from my review. Then post your review and we will critique it. LOL
EDIT: flame removed
-saaya
Stop the flaming before this very helpful and informational thread gets locked....please.
Whatever you two have to say to each other, take it up through PMs.
So does this mean you decline the challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
hey Prom :)
curious why did DFI send the board to Anandtech/you so late and only give you 24hrs to test ???
hope there's a planned follow up part 2 ??
it's called frustration.
The more intense this conversation gets, the higher expectation people had before with this new MB.
*** Watching ***
Ive noticed something happening here at XS, something which I dont like, which I was hoping would just go away. But it isnt and it is getting worse. What am I talking abt? It is the 'banter' which is taking place between certain individuals which for me is making XS feel like a 'playground' for peeps ego's.
I dont want to take sides, I would like these things to stop, but I dont think this will happen. It is very easy to critisize, especially in the medium we have available to us. What isnt easy to do, is constructivly create a piece of work tht a review needs to be. If 'you' really feel tht such a poor job was done of the review, then buy the board and do it yourself. Its so easy to say 'do this' and 'do that', please stop posting negative comments, and expect everything you want to be done.
We all have gripes abt certain companies/individuals but at the end of the day, they are the ones who create the products and they are the ones who will lose out if what they produce isnt up to scratch.
As individuals we have the choice to buy something or not to buy it. Please leave your EGO's out of this forum and let XS return to how it was
Please......
One could wish for interrogating the board design engineer(s). :slap:
Always nice to hear from you, Eva. I've missed your thoughtful questions since the old days at Asuboards/ABXZone/BleedinEdge but I still see a comment from you once in a while at AT.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Oskar made improvements to the board after the initial shipment to the US DFI office. He was still tweaking the boards in Taiwan as late as Wednesday of last week. The revisions were locked last Wednesday and my sample was shipped direct from Taiwan. Overnight from Taiwan takes 2 days to the US and UK. We received boards on Friday afternoon for me, and Friday evening for Tony.
In the meantime DFI California was modifying boards to the final Oskar specs for delivery to New Egg, who was to begin sale of the RDX200 on Monday. This is unusual as we usually have at least a week or two to test new launches like this board, but I worked all weekend and slept 3 hours Sunday night to get the major testing done and the review written and to our web editor. The board is super stable, but the memory timings and options are not at all like the DFI nF4. It took a lot of calls, Oskar Saturday night, Tony, and RGone to get things working properly to bring you decent info in such a short period.
Frankly, the AT audience is not really xtreme - I often refer those readers here to xtreme in my reviews - but I still try to bring you at least the OC basics which can provide a starting point for going much deeper as most of you do. That means I will not likely do a follow-up Part 2 on this board very soon.
Part of the reason is there are several other very interesting RD480 boards that will appear shortly, and we will likely concentrate on those before we return to the most promising boards. Asus, MSI, and Abit will all have enthusiast-level boards using the ULi M1575 southbridge, which is why it is taking them a bit more time to get to market. They are not DFI, of course, but they could have some very interesting boards if they were otherwise faithful to the Reference design.
I wont get into "how XS was" or "the good ol days"...But whenever there is a release of a revolutionary new product (and it is in many respects), there will be those that embrace it with open arms, those that wait for a more affordable option, and those that believe it isnt any different than what already available - converting those few in the third group isnt an easy task and Tony is doing his best to do so, so pls do recognize that.Quote:
As individuals we have the choice to buy something or not to buy it. Please leave your EGO's out of this forum and let XS return to how it was
On the other side, Jason has some valid points (lol deja vu xs news :p: ), but ppl seem to mind when those points are repeated over and over again. IMO the features arent there, and will not be there in the **read it** FIRST CROSSFIRE MOTHERBOARD to be released retail...so there will always be room for improvement, and look for future crossfire-based motherboards by DFI and other chipset partners to make those improvements.
Debates and arguments happen and will continue to happen as long as there'll be those pushing for a better product, but for now lets stay on topic, look at the board for what it DOES do and wait and see what else Tony has instore for us. Thx for the change in tone btw Prometheus.
Thx.
Perkam
How ironic - this coming from the guy who posted this in my preview of the E6 San Diego :rolleyes: :Quote:
Originally Posted by mongoled
...Quote:
Originally Posted by mongoled
This is the first RD480 Retail board, and the first always expects to be rewarded with a premium price. My guess is the DFI will settle around $180 if you are willing to wait - most xtreme users don't like waiting though :D
The SB 450 is actually even better than nF4 in IDE and Sata performance as I found in the Sapphire and ATI Crossfire chipset launch review. In fairness SATA1 on SB450 is actually faster than SATA2 on nF4.
As I also showed in the ULi M1575 review, the ULi southbridge is also fast, even faster than SB450 in all the storage controllers, with USB performance near but a bit lower than nF4, and with full support for 4 SATA2 drives, RAID to 5, and NCQ (which the M1573 also supports but not the SB450). Always nice to hear form you. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2562
The practical reality is almost no one will notice the slow USB and missing SATA2/NCQ. However, I can think of better-performing extra SATA controllers than the Sil3114 used on the DFI.
While it doesn't really matter much in performance I still don't get why ATI didn't think USB performance and SATA2/NCQ were important enought to fix. We first pointed it out a year ago. This is a new chipset and the competition is nVidia. nVidia has had zippy USB2, SATA2 and NCQ from their first 939 chipset.
If SB600 were here or makers used M1575 we would all only be talking about the first board to use Azalia HQ on the A64, the great IDE and SATA2 performance compared to nF4 instead, and the incredible overclocking performance and stability of this 6-layer board. Instead we are debating USB and SATA instead of talking about truly important features. You don't introduce a new chipset and not expect a DIRECT features comparison. You just get the checklist stuff right so reviewers and users will concentrate on the unique stuff.
remember the lanparty nf4 was over $200 when it came out too...
Thats a question you need to ask DFI, not Wes or myself. We were issued with an exclusive, just llike the NF4 and the 250GB as DFI trust us to test and report faults...the only issue here is we had 24 hrs and not the 2 weeks we had with the other 2 motherboards.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
Somthing you guys don't know is when the NF4 was lauched by DFI the bios it shipped with was a CPU killer, i killed an FX53 and Rgone killed a cpu also within hrs of us first testing. We brought this to DFI's attention and numerous bios files were written to eliminate the issue and bring performance back.
Now, its better for me to kill my cpu's etc on a pre release board than you lot lose your new FX etc on a shipping board, this is part of the service i offer to DFI and it helps them keep their boards at the top of the pile with the enthusiast.
This is why I usually get boards early, I also ask that I can post about the boards to bring to the public a sneak peak at what the boards do and what to expect from them.
Now with the constant bashing i have seen here DFI may take away my right to post early, so in future you may have to wait for the official reviews....for me this would be a bad move but i would understand if DFI took it.
nevermind....I better stay outta those criticism, would love to see more screenie and result of this board eventhough I'm still going to stick with the NV. :D :D :D
I don't think people bash because it is a bad product. People are just expressing their opinions based on the initial results. The NF4 Lanparty series set the overclocking bar (quality wise-so so) so high that whatever comes next has to at least match or exceed the previous gen products. There's always going to be obvious questions being asked but I guess it was directed at the wrong people. Most questions should have been directed towards DFI. No one knows why the price is so high yet feature wise its a generation behind except DFI. No one knows why DFI is going to essentially release an updated board (BT) in the near future even though it follows the ATI reference design. These are questions DFI needs to answer, not Tony or the Anandtech guy.
Just for the "neutral bytstanders" keep in mind the people who tend to argue the loudest are usually (usually means not always) those with financial stakes in the success or failure of a product. I tend to take what they say with a grain of salt. While I am sure they try hard to be neutral, it's not always possible.
Reviews are great and all, but what I want is a thread with 50,000 reads and 1,000 posts of you guys tweaking and breaking this board. What the funded reviewers say doesn't mean much really, though it's usually a good read.
There are always exceptions; When you have industry reps like Tony who have always been straight up on their positions and actively given BACK to the community (BT BIOS mod's anyone), you can be sure he is saying what he believes to be the truth or he'd keep his mouth shut.
Some just come to whine. They brag about their own results but do nothing to help others get them.
In any case, play nice before the thread goes the way of the dodo bird and we all lose out.
UnG
Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
You can say tht again, lets keep it on topic, just wanted to say my piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Ive been hearing tht the raid0 performance isnt too bad. Not seen any real numbers yes, but im sure we will have some results soon. I strongly believe tht this mthbrd will drop in price to make way for a feature rich mobo. Ive got a feeling tht this mthbrd being the first of its kind will be the base for later revisions, it will be the first sample of mass produced Crossfire mobo in circulation. Does anyone believe tht they could get the mthbrd perfect straight away? I think i may skip this one, im sure the 'real deal' will be arriving in the next few months.
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
...Yet if any other board had these problems bar the DFI RDX200 CF-DR,they would have been slated straight away? ;)
Im gonna sit on the fence,but i just cant see myself shelling out for this overpriced 'wonderboard',no matter who's involved in it,its not personal,i just dont think it's that good.
Peace :) :)
Looks as if OPB can't get his board to go over 235mhz with his memory. Also, he's unable to run spi @ any speed. Anybody got a link to an updated bios? Or Clockgen for this chipset?
s7, link to opb's results ?? Those results look very discouraging.
Perkam
Hehe...i just got off the phone with him-I think he's too embarrassed to post :p: j/k No screens yet, he's gonna talk to Oskar first ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Thanks Prom, guess we need more input and results from Tony and Rgone as to how particular memory run on this board and their settings for performance and stability :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus
But guess there maybe more improvements already ATI lists a Pure Innovation Crossfire II coming soon http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...75#post1078175 SATA2/better USB performance ???
Does anybody else have the board so we can more thoughts from other people.
Im sitting this round out. This is ATI's first stab in this market... Im sure they will get it right on the second attempt. I just find it nuts to pay $240-$260 shipped for a board lacking important features in the southbridge. Thanks Tony for providing this info for everyone and putting up a pretty good fight to defend ATI and DFI in this manner. Its helped make my decision easier.
Just thinking out loud here but, what would it take to get sli working on one of these boards?
I'f im well informed sli doesn't need anything chipset wise like the crossfire.
If this board could run sli, ... that would be very nice for alot of reasons.
Thanks tony for answering my questions.
hey wes!
nice to see you post again, been a while :D
thx for taking your time to post here, and sorry jason got so upset about things :D
jason, i think your getting to emotional with this again :D
i get your point and partly agree with you, but its too early to judge this board and imo you shouldnt get so upset about this.
i removed parts of some posts wich were imo just provoking and didnt add anything to the discussion. please stay on topic, and if you want to post your opinion about it whether its possitive or negative, please do so without offending or provokig anybody else.
if you dont like something just say so and dont blame anybody for it, thx :)
now regarding what you said about usb and hdd performence wes, i disagree with you there. you said most people wont notice it and wont care, i my opinion thats not true, at least not totally.
if you have two competing products and one is just a tiny bit faster or lacks a tiny feature the other one has people will go for the better product, even if the difference is incredibly small.
thats my expirience at least.
whats confusing me is not that the board has lower usb and ide performence, what confuses me is that it was probably possible to perform the same or even outperform the competing solution without much work at all, but for some reason it didnt happen.
and i have to agree with jason that the review was really very sort and only shows some few results, id rather have called it a preview and not review.
thx a lot for working so hard on it though to bring us at least some basic infos before the board reaches newegg! :toast:
i hope you will focus on memory tweaking and crossfire performence in part2 of this review, wich is imo the 2 interesting features of this board.
tx a lot to wes and tony again for answering all those questions! :toast:
sli needs driver support...Quote:
Originally Posted by 4rory
afaik crossfire doesnt need any support from the chipset, all you need is to be able to mirror the data sent to the videocard so both cards get the data afaik.
crossfire should work on nf4 boards and sli should work on crossfire boards afaik, its all a driver thing, so in the end its up to nvidia and ati.
but thats the problem...
since nvidia already has a load of sli boards and sli cards out in the market they should rather be interested in not allowing crossfire on their boards and not allowing sli on atis boards. that way people with an sli board will have to get sli cards, and people with sli cards will need an sli board, so more people buy nvidia...
so i think the chance for running crossfire on an sli board or sli on a crossfire board are low :/
Guys you need to measure performance of sata2 on the NVraid, then measure IDE, then measure or compare against SB450 and the ULI1575...you will see ATI win some, ULI win some and NV win none.
Issue is no one is moaning about the NV raid though which kinda confuses me.
NVRAID? gotcha... first thing I turned off... gotta have lots of BIOS space for real RAID ...may I calculate that XOR bit for you Sir? Cache some data on a real DIMM ? Thank you sir. LSI Megaraid anyone?
Buffoonery aside, everyone complains about NV IDE performance, that's why there is a bunch of threads asking about uninstalling the drivers from Nvidia and going back to the default windows drivers to try and gain at least a little performance on it.
So yeah, people complain.
The ATI SB450 actually has BETTER IDE and SATA performance than the nVidia nForce4. Check my results at http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2542&p=9. The only real issues is USB, which is less than half the throughput of nVidia. Sata2 and NCQ are not there on SB450 and I totally agree they should be there to compete with nForc4.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I was merely pointing out that performance wise, SATA2 3.0Gb/s and NCQ really make no performance difference right now. SATA sustained transfer rates are still maxing out at around 100MBps (0.8Gbps), and that's only with RAID-0 and two drives... so SATA1 can easily handle current real transfer rates with it's 1.5Gb/s. NCQ is similarly not very important at present.
It's like nVidia's new Dual x16 SLI. We're all testing it but we can't find any test results that show it makes any performance difference at all over dual x8, but we're still looking.
Not laughing at the fact you two lost CPU's, but i find it hilarious that this can happen. Do they not test the boards themselves first, or do they just design, manufacture, and ship? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
The problem with the SATA numbers game is people somehow believe that the bigger number makes a difference. Sustained write performance never enters the equation. The actual internal transfer speed to interface of the drive is the choke point and only the cache bursts at anything resembling those numbers. But 3.0 is better than 1.5 right? Must be, it's a bigger number after all.
Would you rather have a 250hp motor in a 2000lb car or a 350hp motor in a 3500 lb car if your goal is speed?.... Bigger is not always better. The numbers are decieving...
/rant mode
UnG
What's new, Grey. It's always like that in the computer industry. Numbers rule! However, the new drives (SATA2) are usually otherwise updated as well (higher platter density, quieter motors, etc). Seagate 7200.9, Hitachi 7T250..
Tony you sure ? i totally destroyed titac's posted UL1575 SATA benchmarks at http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...77#post1078177Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
and
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...38#post1078238
i know it's 2x and 4x Hitachi 7K80 SATAII raid 0 but wonder how same 4 drives handle on SB450 and UL1575 ? as that's what i run nowadays 4x Hitachi 7K80 SATAII :D
I'd run 6x 7K80 id ya had 6x sataII ports :)
You ran SATA150 drives on SATA2 port ? Why not run SATA2 drives across all 4 controllers ? time limits of the review ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus
Prom maybe i need a copy of Business Winstone 2004 and MCC Winstone 2004 for comparable I/O benchmarks heheh
In Australia
74GB WD Raptor 10k = AUD$259-295
80GB Hitachi 7K80 SATAII = AUD$79-110
4x 7K80 = AUD$320-440 still cheaper than 2x 74GB WD Raptors!
Yeah, some people just do everything better than everyone :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
personally, I liked the graphics card comparision, it gave me hope for the single card solution which I'll be getting, well my stock ECS went to heaven too,,,,.... I guess for me it'll be the expert or the single card solution from ati/dfi
The REAL problem as I see it is that people on this board believe in what you just wrote. And that's really silly when people on XS are supposed to be enthusiasts and KNOW better then that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
The lack of SATA2 support is not any REAL drawback!
I think ATI should tell the mobomakers to market the boards something like this "ATI IDE and SATA speeds exceed nVidia IDE and SATA speeds even without support for SATA2" :D
I thought I read somewhere that crossfire will only run if the chipset is compatiable. like some info needs to go threw it.
So that means the graphics drivers check what motherboard you have.
Sata 2 is marketeing, atlest right now it is. kinda like 64bit processors.
Hi Tony, when do you expect to have this bios exactly and will it be available to the general public? Most low latency ram users are using CAS 1.5 even if it isn't doing much however would probably like to see what 'true' 1.5 can do if your system is still stable. I know I would like to see any sort of performance increase I can get even if minor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I am LOVING your 704 mod bios. I am sure the CAS 1.5 bios will be something different on its own as it wasn't edited like you did to the 704 bios however if you could get a CAS 1.5 working bios with all the same tweaks you did to 704 would be simply amazing.
true, but its always leaving a bad taste on my mouth going for hardware wich might be less future proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus
i think it was a mistake to go for the slower southbridge, even if it was a lot cheaper or anything. hmmm maybe you can run some tests on this as well? :D
real world impact of the slower southbridge.
game level loading times and boot times as well as copy times for the hdd performence and copying mp3s to an ipod for example as a usb test.
i think this is what people would like to see more instead of synthetical and abstract benchmark numbers. :)
exactly...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
damn gerge, those numbers are insane!
and they are cheap too compared for the performence you get!
very nice find!
ive been told crossfire works on nf4 and vias dual graphics chipset at cebit :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 4rory
i dont think they changed crossfire a lot since then
64 bit cpus arent marketing, for the desktop, pretty much yeah, but for workstations and servers def not.
yes those numbers are insanely awesome - that's why i wish to see the same if not better on a crossfire board :)Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
How about the 1-14, 1-15, 1-18, 1-19, do you have those? I think not! I do though.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
If you decide to run any of those and leave Vcore on auto you stand a chance of pumping 3V + into the CPU which instantly kills the memory controller...
Jason, stick to being the uber overclocker you think you are and i will stick to helping make the boards you dearly love.
These boards are down to $209 on newegg already? Sweet in 3 weeks they will be $5
LOL....Quote:
Originally Posted by Weee
@Tony,
Can you now maybe give us some screenies? What's max on any mems you got from it so far? Thank you! :)
Im going to post the bios i tweaked which will help those looking for high clocks TCCD.
Also i have been playing with timings and drive strength, some will seem real slack to you but its the only way we could get 300 stable upto now...and yes we are using drive strength at 4 or 5
I will show some screenies also, A64 tweaker seems to differ from the bios so it may be just easier to post bios screen shots for you all. I do plan on a guide on the OCZ forum for setting up OCZ ram so look forward to that.Im working hard with Rgone off DFI-street to tame the board but it does need a new bios.Lets hope Oskar comes thru soon.
Some bios shots for you all....Rgone wants me to tweak the bios again so we will post this later.Ram is OCZ PC4800 platinum.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=38832&stc=1 http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=38833&stc=1
Now this is close, its not bang on the money yet but it may help get 300 for many.
We are still tweaking and we only post prime stable settings.
Bios layout and options look nearly identical to that of the nF4 boards.
What are you running for memory with these settings? I have some OCZ PC4800's, Patriot XBLK's and some Geil One (TCCD) on the way to play with...
Thanks for all the info so far...
data drive at level 4 is 100%, i reworded it to relate to what it actually does.
OCZ PC4800 PlatQuote:
Originally Posted by OldGuy
timings arent that bad... hows performence though?
can you post some sciencemark and 2k1 results? :D
Nice reviews Prometheus (at anandtech)!
The only thing I missed (in the existing tests) was the Ultra-D results in the PCMARK 2005-graphs,
both at http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2542&p=7
and http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2572&p=7
(hope the links work so you know what I´m talking about)
Maybe you can include those figures in future reviews??
:)
Aiming for 4 sticks 1t thats great and everything but I'll never run it. Whats the point when I can go 300Mhz 2 dimms @ 1t? Someone mentioned this being great for a desktop workstation LOL for $200+? Ya OK, but I don't think thats what this is designed for. I hope a few BIOS revisions allow higher overall memory clock, higher than NF4 even.
If they sacrificed top end memory speeds for 4 dimms @1t, it's kinda silly if you ask me.
Just got some the board today will try to test tonite if not tomorrow afternoon.
Tony would really be glad if you could send bios
I will post up the next version when Rgone is happy with itQuote:
Originally Posted by althes
I can see your point for benching. However, 2 gigs of ram is almost becoming common for gaming now. So keep that in mind. We all have 4-8 sticks of high clocking TCCD laying around. Why waste it? 4 X 512 @ 1T is a good thing for the gamers.Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
We all have 4-8 sticks of high clocking TCCD laying around? WTF?!! And if it is high clocking, who cares? We can only run it at ~DDR400 in 1T.
And Tony....I'm sorry but those timings are fairly awful at DDR600....x-4-4-10-8-14-5-3-2-5 is just awful. Does the board really have that much trouble getting high TCCD speed right now? I'd rather run DDR400 2-2-2-0-7-14-0-2-1-2 frankly :(
especially since D2OL loves tight-like-spandex timings :banana:
Are there any tests done with 2 x 1GB Ballistix with this MB? I'm curious of the timings and max speeds reached... i so wanna push the checkout button on my Newegg cart, but am hesitant.
supposedly 2x1gb is where the board will beat out the nf4.
dont quote me on that though.
exactly what im thinking...Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
sure, memory speed for ddr1 have reached the top and wont go any higher, so its all about timings now, and increasing the memory capacity while keeping the speed and timings up, but even if 1t with 4 sticks would work at ddr450 people wouldnt really use it i think. everybody would still go 2x1gb at ddr600 instead because its simply faster...
i think 1t with 4 sticks needs to work at around ddr500 to really make sence, then tight timings+1t and interleaving (4 sticks) would get us to similar numbers of ddr600 with 1t with 2 sticks and 2.5-3-3 i guess, but at ddr400 it doesnt realy make sence...
if anybody can get 1t with 4 sticks to ddr500 then its oskar :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
Simple. The ULI is not a drop in replacement for the 450SB. Pin count and layout are different. DFI was to far along in the design process when the ULI chip popped up to shift design gears, change the layout to use the ULI chip and still get the MB onto the street in anything approaching a timely manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
My understanding is ATI has a second generation, pin compatible SB to replace the 450 that addresses the 450's short comings. The question is when lol.
Viper
Before I jump on any bandwagon regarding the 4x512 DDR400 1T vs 2x1GB DDR600 bandwagon I want more benches specifically addressing this. I have a feeling that it won't be unanimously in favor of the 2x1GB setup :fact:
There's a certain benchmark that even if the 4x512 only wins THAT benchmark that it would make it worthwhile to me....anyway, carry on.....I'd just like someone to compare the two setups before judging what will be better--8 bank interleave with 1T is nothing to shrug off.
hmmm, im surprised no one has asked this yet
hows the CPU clock?
i mean, according to anandtech the reference boards have been better cpu clockers then the LP DR, so hows this in comparison, would be interested to know if anyone has the time.
Im still beating up on this board as is Rgone trying to get 8hrs prime stable for the OC database on DFI-Street etc. I expect i will be able to tighten TRP to 3 pretty easy but the rest im not to sure on at the mo. Im 24hrs into prime testing and the longest i have gone is 3hrs 5 mins, so there is still much to do.
For anyone who has this board you need to realise the following do not act like they do on the NF4
TRC
TRFC
TRRD
Read to write and write to read
Read pre amble
Async latency
drive strength
DQS or data drive (looks close but it does seem to act different)
No we are working hard to get good base line settings, im just sorry its taking so long.
Its a good cpu overclocker, i have maxed all my cpu's here air cooled with ease.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
Thanks for the effort Tony. Are you trying to do this all on ONE board? I mean if you had five you might stand a reasonable chance of getting things done more quickly. Should we start a petition? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
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