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I´m searching for a new monitor for gaming, and I have come across these 4 monitors. Does anyone know anything about them?
# SCEPTRE X20G-Naga III Black 20.1" 8ms ->$400
Brightness: 300 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio: 800:1
Display Colours: 16.7 Million
Panel: Active Matrix, TFT LCD
Recommended Resolution: 1680x1050
Viewing Angle: 176°(H) / 176°(V)
# Acer AL2032WA Black 20" 8ms -> $530
Brightness: 300 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio: 800:1
Display Colours: 16.7 Million
Panel: TFT LCD
Pixel Pitch: 0.258mm
Recommended Resolution: 1680x1050
Viewing Angle: 176°(H) / 176°(V)
# SAMSUNG 214T-Black 21.3" 8ms (G to G) -> $736
Brightness: 300 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio: 900:1
Display Colours: 16.7 Million
Panel: a-si TFT/PVA LCD
Pixel Pitch: 0.27mm
Recommended Resolution: 1600x1200
Viewing Angle: 178°(H) / 178°(V)
# NEC Display Solutions LCD2170NX-BK Black 21.3" 8ms G-to-G -> $856
Brightness: 300 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
Display Colours: More than 16 million
Panel: Active Matrix, TFT LCD
Pixel Pitch: 0.27mm
Recommended Resolution: 1600x1200
Viewing Angle: 176°(H) / 176°(V)
All the info I got was from Newegg. Has anyone seen any review on these? Is the Sceptre any good (its price is much lower than the Acer, which is the same size)?
sviola:: no 2005FPW??
I would definitely drop the 1600x1200 options. If you're gonna spend that much money and use it for gaming.. get widescreen!
I'm not sure which one of those to tell you to get. But IF it comes down to a choice between the Samsung 214T or the Nec LCD2170NX, I would go with the samsung, as they both use the SAME samsung LTM213U6 panel in them (reference: http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.php ). Not sure though why the Samsung has a listed contrast ratio of 900:1 while the NEC model has 1000:1?? But I have heard/read, the 214T has beautiful picture and it can be bought from zipzoomfly.com for $695 so not sure it's worth the extra $150 or so more for the NEC one.
That SCEPTRE X20G-Naga III monitor looks like a new one that I only saw on Newegg myself earlier today. Don't know anything about it yet. It does "appear" to have very nice spec.'s for an impressively low price. But it's so new there aren't even any user reviews on newegg for it yet so buyer beware.
There also appears to be a promising new viewsonic [20.1" 1600x1200 res. 8ms gtg / 16ms white-black-white response time, 1000:1 contrast ratio] monitor coming out called the VP2030b
From it's spec's it looks like a 20.1" higher res. version of the fairly well regarded(except for many with backlight bleeding) vp930b 19" monitor. Again not even really out in stock anywhere yet(Dell has them on their site with a 1-2 week wait time for shipment) so no user reviews let alone professional reviews available.
It's on the list. I only am searching other models to choose the one that best fits my needs. Actually I'm leaning towards the Acer, which besides it's nice specs, also looks great. :)Quote:
sviola:: no 2005FPW??
I would definitely drop the 1600x1200 options. If you're gonna spend that much money and use it for gaming.. get widescreen!
Thanks, I'll look for the viewsonic as well. I just wished I could see them in action. Unfortunately around here I can't find them. I just have to purchase one throught the internet and hope it doensn't have dead pixels.Quote:
I'm not sure which one of those to tell you to get. But IF it comes down to a choice between the Samsung 214T or the Nec LCD2170NX, I would go with the samsung, as they both use the SAME samsung LTM213U6 panel in them (reference: http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.php ). Not sure though why the Samsung has a listed contrast ratio of 900:1 while the NEC model has 1000:1?? But I have heard/read, the 214T has beautiful picture and it can be bought from zipzoomfly.com for $695 so not sure it's worth the extra $150 or so more for the NEC one.
That SCEPTRE X20G-Naga III monitor looks like a new one that I only saw on Newegg myself earlier today. Don't know anything about it yet. It does "appear" to have very nice spec.'s for an impressively low price. But it's so new there aren't even any user reviews on newegg for it yet so buyer beware.
There also appears to be a promising new viewsonic [20.1" 1600x1200 res. 8ms gtg / 16ms white-black-white response time, 1000:1 contrast ratio] monitor coming out called the VP2030b
From it's spec's it looks like a 20.1" higher res. version of the fairly well regarded(except for many with backlight bleeding) vp930b 19" monitor. Again not even really out in stock anywhere yet(Dell has them on their site with a 1-2 week wait time for shipment) so no user reviews let alone professional reviews available
I actually have the Acer 2032W hooked up to one of my parents' computers right now, but it is rated at 16ms. The biggest problem with it is the lack of a DVI port. The one you listed might be the same monitor with a newer panel, so you might want to double check that. I wouldn't buy a monitor today without a DVI port. I'll be returning the one I have to Costco soon enough ;)
I'm looking to buy a new LCD for my gaming rig this Xmas. I want a ~23/24" capable of (at least) 1920x1200 (max budget around ~$2500, I could go higher if there is a good reason to). So, what LCD in this category would be my very best gaming LCD?
Is the HP L2335 my best choice (I don't want the speakers unless I have to)? Or is there an even better (only three are listed in first post, there has to be more out there?)?
I took it in the first post that HP L2335 was better than Dell 2405FPW for gaming (and Apple was worst), is this correct? I'd still like to be able to watch some movies and TV shows from time to time too, that I download, but I don't usually use my gaming rig for this purpose.
Many thanks!
SED = orgasm
New model from BenQ FP202W (AUO P-MVA) ----> Linkage
Specs:
LCD Size 20"
Resolution (max.) 1680x1050
Pixel pitch 0,258 mm
Colours 16.7 million
Horizontal Frequency (Max) KHz 81
Vertical Frequency (Max)Hz 76
Video Bandwidth (MHz) 25 - 182
Viewing angle (L/R;U/D) (CR>=10) 170/170
Display Area 433.4 x 270.9 (mm)
Contrast 600:1
Brightness 300 cd/m2
Response time (tr/tf) 8 (5+3) ms
Colour temperature Reddish/sRGB/Bluish + user mode
Input connector D-Sub/DVI-D
Power supply Built-in
Speaker No
USB No
VESA Wall Mounting Yes (100 x 100mm)
Swivel No
Pivot No
i-Key Yes
Kensington Lock Yes
Product Colour Silver-Black
From what the specs tells me i want one of those :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by bugeyes
The BenQ FP202W may not be so new after all?
found a review from the 21st of October 05 -----> Linkage
Going to my local computer shop on the weekend to have a look at one,($620 USD) the panel specs look good but benq's implementation seems less than satisfactory... only one adjustment and that for tilt only. :dammit:
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Originally Posted by Salahuddin
Newegg lists it as having a DVI port. I just wished any good review site tested it. :rolleyes:
Where is the VX922 on the list?
(loves his) :stick:
why is there no talk of the 2ms responce viewsonic vx922
http://www.viewsonic.com/products/de...x922/index.htm
is this monitor anygood?
much better then the vx924??
can i get some opinions about this monitor the viewsonic va1912wb
http://www.viewsonic.com/products/de...12wb/index.htm
what type of panel is that and is it good for gaming??
its only 300 bux on newegg so its a crazy deal for a widescreen monitor if its any good.
please give me some honest opinions or critisizm on this monitor because i really want it but cannot find a store to try it out in before i buy it and dont want to make the wrong purchase
i mainly want it for battlefield 2/quake4/cod2/oblivion gaming using widescreen running native 1440x900 res 16:10 aspect
sounds sweet to me!!
lets wait until we see the new line up of lcd coming and we are going to update the guide :toast:
Isn't the new line of LCDs about a year away? In terms of mass production and affordability.Quote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
I own one, heres my newegg reviewQuote:
Originally Posted by brandinb
Comments: I have been VERY sceptical about getting into LCD's mainly because of ghosting. I stumbled apon this one turkey week in the states; I tryed to find reviews on it but since it had a street date of Dec 1 and a xxx$ price tag, I was unable to find anything about it. I checked out ViewSonic's website and it claimed to eliminate any type of ghosting. Any gamer knows ghosting is possibly the worse experience you can think of; playing BF2 Special Forces / CS: Source / World of warcraft, and seeing after images of people jumping around or zooming through is a down right a poopy experience. So with a price tag of xxx$ I made it my early xmas present crossing my fingers it wouldn't come with any burned pixels; or even worse ghosting.
I 2nd-day it through UPS and it arrived 4 days later because of Turkey day. Let me tell you, the monitor is absolutly AWESOME, the grey/black matches my mouse/keyboard/case and the image is absolutly brilliant (even at 50% brightness). Better yet NO GHOSTING OR DEAD PIXELS!! I tryed everything to produce a ghost image in all games(BF2,CSS,WoW), jumping, looking at arty hit dozens of targets, putting max sensitivity and moving the mouse randomly everywhere.
If your a gamer and your looking for that "special" LCD, and you can't wait a year for next gen LCD's this is the one.
ok look at this panel its widescreen 20 inch with 8ms refresh for less the 400 dollars regular price!!! is it any good
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...opnav=&browse=
Never heard of them personally, but most LCDs come from a few select number of producers, remember when your looking for avg ms you should look at grey 2 grey and white 2 white scale, check the mfg website for more details.Quote:
Originally Posted by brandinb
Quote:
Originally Posted by Turok
Do you or anyone else have the detailed specs on the ViewSonic VA1912wb? Just wondering.. I've been using it for about two weeks now. I can't even look at my old crt for more than a few minutes now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmac11
Funny, I got the same problem, went to my brothers pc (hes using a CRT), and I was there for about 5minutes and my eyes were burning out. (if thats what you meant). :toast:
Get it!! Its a sweet monitor! Hands down the best-bang-for-buck widescreen gaming monitor. Only games that support WS will play at the native resolution.. BF2 doesn't.. it just stretches the screen. I even prefer to use it over my 27" tv to watch movies on. Best 300 bucks I ever spent.Quote:
Originally Posted by brandinb
wow thanks for your opinion on the va1912wb screen!Quote:
Originally Posted by bmac11
can you tell me how suited the panel is for fast gaming like quake 3 and counterstrike? i mean ghosting and that type. my friend has the vx924 with 3ms responce and it is just above my tolarance for ghosting for games like quake. other games its perfect like battlefield 2 its too slow of a game to need a very fast panel but quake is another story and i can notice slight ghosting its not too bad tho and i can handle it. is this monitor much slower then his vx924? also do you or anybody else know the more detail specs of the panel like what type it is and the color depth it provides? and more detail responce time then just 8ms like it shows hehe thanks to you or anybody else who can help me learn more about this screen before i put some hurt on my credit card hehe
oh and i tried battlefield 2 at that resolution and it doesnt stretch it it just chopes the top and bottom off to keep the right geometry but its not true widescreen i think
cod and cs source are good example of widescreen that works very well
brandinb: I've only played BF2, COD2, and a little GTA SA.. theres some recent reviews on the egg from people saying its fine for CS and Q4. You won't find a faster widescreen for price like this.. well none that I know of.
BF2 isn't bad. Took me a few minutes and clicks back and forth to even tell the difference. Yup COD2 is ws. Just ordered WOW from amazon which also supports it. It was only $30 so I figured I'll give it a try.
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com...pic.php?t=1030
Could you do some tests for us with your va1912wb to check for ghosting/motion blur? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bmac11
Download the PixPerAn program (from PRAD.de) to test for ghosting and to help calibrate your LCD a bit.
http://www.prad.de/download/pixperan_english.zip
Please comment on other details like the options on this LCD, the connectors, check the back label to see if it shows the panel type, and use the DVI cable when testing the monitor (just in case you're not using it).
EDIT: also add the dimensions of the screen's Bezel (case) and display size, and take screenshots of the screens ability to bend, pls :D
I havent updated the guide for a while. Right now Im in mid-term exams, so hopefully soon Ill have time to work on this guide in the holidays. I have to add more LCDs since there are new LCDs that are releasing, but I wont be able to add reviews to all of them since some dont have any reviewers at the moment
Great prog! TYVM!Quote:
Originally Posted by Turok
Does anyone mind giving me a list of good gaming lcd monitors between 18-20 inches. It would be really appreciated.
Update on Gateway FPD2185w: If has banding issues if you are sitting and staring at color gradients rather than doing something productive ;). Not noticeable otherwise.
hmmmmm, way too many choices! before I would have just gotten a 30" apple, but its not worth the $$$!
so, choices are the 30" Apple, this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009061 or this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001223
what do you think, experts?
Yan
now im stuck.
VX724 i cant afford the big brother .. and definitely want to stay within CompUSA because of my employee discount. i bought this monitor for 230 bucks. and took it home that day... its my X-Mas present and i have to wait till X-Mas to play with it.. but i wanna know if i should be concerned.. i will be running it @ its native resolution with a DVI cable.. off a 7800GTX.. im mostly (100%) concerned about Ghosting.. i have played on 2 of my friends monitors (19" Acer and 19" Viewsonic) and the ghosting drives me nuts.. its absolutely annoying.
im just checking that the VX724 will perform optimally for gaming just as the VX924 does...
Thanks guys and great guide :up:
WOOOT!!!
I got my VP930B for Xmas today!! Dam this thing is f'ing amazing.. Its huge compared to my 17" CRT and it is beautiful in every way.
I must say the blacks on thsi monitor are aamzing.. absolutely perfect blacks. Did that PixPerAn program, but i dont really get it, so i gave up on that. rather play with the monitor..
could you put some pics and impression in a review style maxxxracer please
I just picked up one of these http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/...0g_NagaIII.htm at Costco 379.00 bucks.
Has great Picture Quality for a cheap 20".1 wide screen.
I just picked my one of these
http://www.consumer.philips.com/cons...ESHQNHKFSEKI5P
(sry for dutch) only avaible in EU I think.
got it for 299 euros.
I'm very satisfied about it!!
what's your opinion about price/quality & specs?
xyus
Be warned... People have had those specific screens die on them in 2 months or less!Quote:
Originally Posted by bypolar
leviathan are you addressing me.. cuz i gotthe VX724 anyway's.. and it is sharp.
Ok, warning heeded. I picked up 3 actually 2 for work. I will report back with any Issues on any of them.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
bypolar, dont worry. Its costco.. You should return them in 6 months anyway, and buy a new group of monitors.
Lev, here are some pictures.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1135756001
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1135756308
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1135756308
MaxxxRacer's ViewSonic VP930b Mini-Review
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1135756001
First Impresions
Upon pulling the VP930b out of the box, you really get a feel of how large the monitor is. When compared to my previous 17" iiyama CRT the monitors viewing space seems unending.
The next thing you notice is how surprisingly heavy the monitor is for a LCD. I've handled a number of LCD's of similar size, none of which had as much heft to it as the VP930b. The weight is due to two features. First, the onboard power supply which for the most part is a nice feature, eliminating the need for the power brick that accompanies all Samsung LCD's. Secondly is the incredibly sturdy base. At first glance, the base seems unimpressive, but when view from below, the base is entire of steel construction, the plastic, merely a vanity cover. Infact the base has so much weight to it that half of it can hang off the back of my desk with absolutely no risk of falling.
What Comes in the Box
~2meter Length Black DVI Cable
~2 meter Length Black VGA Cable
~2 meter Lenght Power Cable
Small manual
2 Setup CD's
The Monitor itself
Features
The Base
Viewsonic Includes cable management hooks on the back of the base stem, which at first glance seem useful, but in practice they are completely useless due to the heft of the DVI and power cables. I managed to get the cables in the hooks, but they quickly poped out as soon as I adjust the monitor.
While the hooks may not be a useful feature, Viewsonic did include several other very useful features that come in handy. The monitor features 180 degree swivel so that the base does not need to be moved when turning the monitor to allow others to view the monitor (although the incredible viewing angle makes this a not so needed feature)
The next feature of the base is the height adjustment. The panel can be lowered all the way to the base (so that it touches) and to a maximum of 16.5cm (measured from table to bottom edge of panel). The panel is supported by a spring in the base that makes lifting the relatively heavy panel incredibly easy. There is also absolutely no worry of the panel dipping down from the desired height as the gripping force is quite strong.
The last feature of the base is the tilt of the panel. Not much to say here other than that it can be tilted back around 30 degrees and forward about 10-15. Again this adjustment is very secure with no worry of it coming out of alignment with regular use, or from jostling of the monitor from the table shaking (an issue for glass table users such as myself)
OSD
The OSD is rather simple and very intuitive. Not much to say here. If anyone wants some pics just lmk and I will post.
Some somewhat noteable things it does is auto sense the 3 ports (2 VGA and one 1 DVI) and you can select which one you want to be the main port and it will automatically try this one first.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1136363695
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1136363695
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1136363695
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1136363695
Software
The software that comes with the monitor is pretty nice and allows you to calibrate the monitor very well. Using the calibration method in the software I have had no issues with the contrast or brightness and all is doing well. The software also allows you to turn the panel and it will autosense and turn the picture in about 2 seconds. The downside is that you need to have the full viewsonic software running for this feature to work. So unless you use portrait mode alot, running the software all the time isnt very useful.
Performance
This is the area where a picture of homer simpson is really the only way to do the VP930b justice. With a real response time of 15ms or lower (minimum of ~12 according to THG) ghosting is non existent in racing games, and first person shooters. I tested with BF2, HL2, MotoGP3, and Toca Race driver 2 (hitting speeds upwards of 250mph without ghosting).
An area that alot of LCD (TN films) panels fail is the color reproduction. The VP930b is NOT one of those LCD's. The color reproduction is as good as my fathers Sony E540, the greatest CRT of all time.
Text is also a problem for some LCD's. Its either too painfully sharp or soft. That isnt the case with the VP930b. At 1280x1024 text is easy on the eyes and perfectly crisp.
Having viewed 4 movies since I got the LCD 2 days ago, I can say for sure that the video quality during film viewing is perfect. Again, there is no ghosting, and the blacks are incredibly deep, rivaling most CRTs. THG mentioned that they had some wierd issues with a tunnel scene due to the overdrive technology and I must admit that I have seen no such artifacts from the overdrive except for when I moved the mouse very quickly over a blue surface. There was a trail of 3-10 pixels of green behind the cursors most reward edge. But in realworld apps I have not noticed any issues what so ever.
Despite all of its great performance I do have one complaint with the VP930b. When the screen is entirely black you can see the 4 backlight LED's shinning in from the 4 corners. they all are pointed towards the cetner of the screenm, so it looks like 4 spotlights aimed at the center of my screen.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1136379606
This picture demonstrates the spotlighting as best as I could represent it. I took about 15 different pictues and tweaked it in photoshop to make it look as much like it does in person. As you can see from the picture the spotlighting is rather faint, but still annoyingly noticeable when looking at a black screen.
Well that about sums up what I have to say on the VP930b.. If anyone has any Q's just ask. If i dont respond within a day, just PM me as I dont check this thread often.
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/1361/1upanim1iv.gif
New Update
Updated Dec. 28, 2005
LCD Terms:
- Computer Display Standards
Links:
- Store Links
(Need hint on stores in Europe and other continents)
- Review/Preview Links
- Info/News Links
- Program/Tools Links
Interfaces:
- VGA section finished
- Need to complete VGA to Component mod image
- DVI section finished
- "UDI & the HDCP norm" section added, but incomplete
The LCD List:
- Removed all links since they were not working or were moved.
- Created the "Links" section instead (Mentioned above)
15 and 17-inch (5:4 / 4:3)
- Samsung 770P
19-inch (5:4)
- Updated VP191B to VP930b
- Updated VX924 to VX922
19-inch (16:10) (new)
- ViewSonic VA1912wb
- Info used from Maxxx's mini-review
- Link to Maxxx's mini-review
20-inch (16:10)
- Gateway FPD2185W
- Belinea 10 20 35W
Plans For The Future:
OLED (incomplete)
LCoS (incomplete)
SED
- A extra line of info
- More pics
Oh yes I forgot one thing. I do have one complaint with the VP930b. When the screen is entirely black you can see the 4 backlight LED's shinning in from the 4 corners. they all are pointed towards the cetner of the screenm, so it looks like 4 spotlights aimed at the center of my screen.
Like I said you only notice it when the screen is jet black, but boy is it annoying.
thank you very much for this review maxxx... :toast: :toast: :toast:
well i will have to wait till 4 jan to do my review... hope more ppl join this guide to contribute with this kind of reviews so we dont have problems with dead links etc... once again thanks maxxx
np lev. glad i could help.
btw, is the spotlight thing i mentioned common with LCD's? Wondering if I just got an LCD with that annoying backlight effect or if its a neccesary evil of backlighting.
Yah my viewsonic vp191b does that with the back lights, however its barely noticeable with the screen completely black, and since its rarely in that state it doesnt bother me.
The hooks use for cable management seems to work ok on mine, i found if i pull and couple of inches of extra slack i can pivot/rotate/swivel it without the cables getting yanked out.
It wouldnt have took much to come up with something better.
Bullet2urBrains ViewSonic VX724 Mini-Review
First ImpresionsPulling the monitor from its box on Christmas i could really realize how substantial LCD's are. Although it is fairly thin this monitor is quite substantial. The monitor has a great two tone color scheme.
The monitor is quite heavy for an LCD, however this is more of a plus as the base is very sturdy and i felt very comfortable setting this monitor down. the base has a nice rubber coating and holds its weight nicely. There is an onboard power supply which means no brick for you. i was even so daring as to put my Center Logitech Speaker on top of the monitor with no adverse effects. the monitor is so very stable.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/468/lcd0049rh.jpg
Features
The monitor is very sharp looking and fits well with most office colors and almost all cases. the base is silver with a black 3/4" rubber mat to keep the monitor secure and anchored to the desk. there are the traditional 4 buttons for Viewsonics OSD and nothing more to distract on the monitor. THe back of the monitor offers a cable cover to keep the SIgnal and power cable tidy. There is ofcourse including in the box a DVI and VGA cable and Power Cord. But this is a gaming panel not an Email Reading panel.
Gaming on this panel is nearly flawless. and i say nearly with much pain in my heart. There is one slight downside to the panel and that is backlight leak. It leaks from the top and bottom quite obviously. This was most frequent when playing my testing game of choice Call of Duty2. When in a near black sequence or a night shootout the backlight leak came onto the screen like a spotlight from a german aircraft. Next i tested on a game with High FPS to see if i could get the panel to ghost at all. i tested using CS:Source @ 1280x1024 (the native resolution) with 8x AF and 6x AA FPS was ~140fps fairly constantly. i can say with no conviction that this panel just would not ghost as the VX910 does. movements were crisp and colors were accurate. only thing lacking here is the Darkness of Black. CRT's are still a shade ahead in reproducing a solid black.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3...d0050sy.th.jpg
OSD
Viewsonics OSD.. 4 buttons labeled 1,2,Up,Down very intuitive and simple to operate.
Back of the monitor has DVI and VGA with a power cord. very simple and tidy.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2315/lcd0108lg.jpg
Performance
Well as i stated above gaming looks great once calibrated. however movies are a different object. the actual movie looks seamless and picture is great. but the backlight leaking in widescreen movies can become quite annoying. fullscreen movies look fantastic and play without a hitch. Color reproduction is fairly accurate after calibrating. Using ViewSonics software helps an enormous amount. out of the box or using a VGA cable the colors can be a wee bit off.
All in all... Great panel for gaming if your in the market for a 250 dollar LCD.. only complaint is the backlight leaking which happens on almost all LCD's..
oh and the height is not adjustable but it does tilt a fair amount... so if you are above 6'5" or shorter than 5'4" this panel may not sit correctly with you.
Special thanks to MaxxxRacer for his template.
~James.
Thank you MaxxxRacer and bullet2urbrain for your mini-reviews.
Your contributions will help make this guide less biased and more into the facts of actual users. :up:
MaxxxRacer and bullet2urbrain, could you edit your reviews with screenshots of the LCD showing the connectors, buttons, accessories, and backlight issues?
Would be greately appreciated :worship:
If anyone else is interrested in helping out with a review, you could do something like MaxxxRacer's or bullet2urbrain's review or something else as long as:
- It sticks out over other posts
- It's well organized with bold, colored, or large titles on each section.
- Pictures showing the accessories, the LCD in different angles, buttons and interfaces, and any issue that can be seen with a camera.
- That it's posted within this thread so It's more organized.
To ensure the accuracy of your reviews, make sure your LCD is well calibrated and use the DVI interface only if the LCD offers a DVI connector.
(Use these programs to help setup and test your monitor:
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/testprogramme.html )
I will link XS member's reviews from the guide to the corresponding page so it doesnt get lost between all the posts :p:
that is the best right up i've ever seen on here great job, Those seds sound insane i would like to see one.
what size do you want the pictures... right now they are 2436x1700ish.
i have taken all of them.. just need to shrink and host them.
oh and no problem.. this guide was a great resource for me when deciding what monitor to investigate..the thanks goes out to the Creators of the guide.
Leviathan's 18 Dell 2405fpw mini review
First impression
When i went to pickup the package from the DHL center in Caracas, I was astonished by the box's size and weight. When the DHL employee brought the box to me, I said "wow it's big". Then he asked me what it was, and if it was a case or a PC? I said no, it's just a big LCD :D
I took the box straight home, and opened it as soon as I got there. The first thing I saw was a lot of cables and accessories. Then I saw the base. It's apart so it can fit better in the box without getting fractured or something. The LCD was packed well, secure enough to travel from Austin, TX to Florida to Caracas in 2 days (That's right, 2 day international shipping!). When I picked up the LCD from it's box it was pretty heavy, like 20 lbs. The size was mind blowing :eek: . Imagine what the 30" will be like when it releases :slobber:
http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/2...36285yd.th.jpg
Features:
What came out of the box:
- One really long DVI (about 2.5m long (8.2 ft)
- One really long VGA cable (about 3m long (9.8 ft)
- One power cable (about 2m long (6.5 ft)
- One USB connector that enables the USB and Card readers on the LCD (about 1.75m long (5.7 ft)
- The base
- And the manual + a simpler manual + the warranty
And what came on the LCD :D
The bezel features 4 USB ports:
- 2 on the front;
and
- 2 on the back.
Both are USB 2.0 compatible.
It also has several card readers, such as:
1) MS (Normal)
2) MS (Pro)
3) MS (Pro Duo)
4) SD
5) Mini SD
6) MMC
7) CF (Type I & II)
8) Micro Drive
9) Smart Media
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5...36577ct.th.jpg
the base has a simple cable management system.
the back has a mechanical atttachment for Dell monitor speakers.
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/7803/lock9vp.th.jpg
(dc power connector for dell sound bar)
it has a kensington lock slot.
You also have:
- Picture in Picture (PIP);
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/8...36627zx.th.jpg
- Picture by Picture (PBP);
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/5...36639tb.th.jpg
- and 1:1 display mods .
There are 6 buttons
5 buttons for the OSD and the 6th one is the power button.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3...36592sm.th.jpg
The osd is pretty simple.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4...36606qt.th.jpg
One of the OSD buttons changes the display input on the screen (1=VGA; 2=DVI; 3=S-Video, 4=Composite, 5=Component)
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7...36878cp.th.jpg
(the numbers that show the video source)
The rest is for selecting, deselecting, and direction.
Connectors / Interfaces:
The monitor's interfaces are:
-DVI: digital interfase.
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3687/dvi4xy.th.jpg
-VGA: analog interfase.
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7961/vga1nh.th.jpg
-Component (Y, Pb, Pr): this can be used for DVD or HD ready systems like the XBOX360. Image quality is nice on the 2405fpw.
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3...nent4wh.th.jpg
-S-Video: For systems that don’t support Component or HDTV, like old Cable or Satellite boxes.
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3...ideo6py.th.jpg
-Composite: Good old RCA for older systems like the psx and N64 and other video source of that time.
http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/5...site2xs.th.jpg
Performance
well i played Quake IV, Need for speed most wanted, need for speed underground 2, Unreal tournament 2004, Fable, Dawn of war, war hammer 40k and Day of defeat source, most of the games i couldn’t play at native resolution i just have 2 6600gt but downscaled resolutions looked simple amazing compared to my 17" crt i could play ut2004 at native resolution and it was great it looked like another game all the vivid colors you don’t need AA at that resolution i recommend this LCD for anyone with enough video power to play with it @ high resolution
Movies perfect color reproduction great blacks no backlight bleeding anywhere when everything is black, no weird noises from the back of the lcd.
NOTE that this may be because I have a newer LCD version. My Dell 2405fpw was built Sep. 08, 2005.
Older 2405fpw have had problems with buzzing noises, dead pixels, some backlight problems, etc.
Web browsing this is amazin. I can open two firefox windows wide open next to the other with
Photoshop i think this is the best part you have so much space to work with photoshop that if you do a lot of photoshop you will love this LCD.
Viewing angles are excelent. Looks great at all angles.
It can rotate sideways without moving the base, and if you rotate it 90 degrees, you can view the screen in a vertical mod(Excelent for looking at a really long list of text).
HD videos are amazin. The Project Offset and Gears of War HD videos look awesome. Hope to see more HD content in the future :D
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/8...36845vi.th.jpg
(As you can see on this pic of the Project Offset HD Trailer, there are no backlight issues visible)
i think the only downside on this LCD is that you need a lot of graphic power to run games at WUXGA/ 1080i / 1980x1200 / HDR resolutions. Playing at lower resolutions look great, but it's not the same as the native resolution. DoD:S looks like another game in game 1920x1200 with all effects in mid and no HDR looked better than 1024x768 HDR and all effects at max. Imagine how it would look like with 1920x1200 TSAA 4x, AF 16x, HDR, Reflect all, and everything max :slobber:
As stated above, I couldnt see any bluring, ghosting or motion blur. I only noticed a very slight blur with some changes from bright red to another color far from the red scale. All the FPS, RTS, and Racing games played excelent without showing signs of motion blur. This LCD is ten times better than the 17" CRT I had before
This is a great buy for any enthusiast user.
Limit the pics to 800x600, and if you want to show a lot of details on the pic, 1024x768 would be an exception. You could also make a image link to a larger pic.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullet2urbrain
The reason for the size is because most use 17" and 19" monitor with a recommended or max resolution of 1280x1024 or 1280x960 pixels, and a 1024x768 would nearly fill the whole screen.
edited original post with some pics.. more can be taken or added at request.
that light bleeding is awful it must be annoying while you watch a 16:9 movieQuote:
Originally Posted by bullet2urbrain
yup i said it was annoying..but atleast i got the pic to truly show the nastiness of the light bleeding...
Canon SD400 FTW.. my 2 X-mas presents SD400 and VX724..
on the positive note.. this monitor makes the VX910 look like absolute crap..
The light bleeding is the exact oppostie places on my VP930b. I will add pics to my old post to keep things organized and update with what came in the box.
MY reviews of
Sharp 17", model LL-172G-B
and
View Sonic VA2012wb 20.1"
http://kohan69.web1000.com/LCD_REVIEW/lcdreview.html
more reviews coming soon
kohan nice review but if is not a problem could you post your review here like ours ? just a mini review
no man, that requires work!Quote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
..........ok, I'll edit it later
Yo yo! ANYONE gonna mini review the Dell 3007WFP??? Or do I have to do it when/if I get it. See, it pays to wait for months on a crap 15", lol
I guess you're the licky one to review the 3007WFP when it gets out.Quote:
Originally Posted by YanBooth
Im sure it will be an awesome monitor. Like a 2405fpw but a bit faster and a lot larger, and less connectors.
It doesnt matter if everyone makes their own review of the same monitor. More reviews on a monitor, the better.
It gives the readers a chance to look at the reviews in different perspectives so they can make their own conclusions :fact:
Plus if a monitor has a lot of reviews and they are all good, then it gives them an idea of how good that monitor must be since everyone is buying it ;)
its a when/if... ill know this weekend... keep you all updated
I think the firsdt fen of 3007WFP wont perform as well as the latest 2405FP
There are 2 versions of the widescreen dell 24", 2405FPW is a bit older, the newest is called the 2405FP "UltraSharp" is newest version
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...v=&browse=&s=1
I will get it witihn next month, and write a better review than Tom's Hardware :D
ultra sharp seems to be the better one up to now.
How long do you think I should wait until I get the 3006WFP? What I have read is that it is pretty much great all around, except for a backlighting uniformity issue, but apparently that was only when the screen had an all black image, or when there were dark images on it. What I am hoping for, is that this issue has been worked out, because the Extreme Something-or-other website I read this very large review at had the monitor "for many weeks", so my hope is that this issue will have been worked out a little with the more mainstream production models.
Now, I want to know, if SED, and OLED seem so promising, but I am not extremely concerned about a little ghosting (I don't mind it on my Dell 15" UltraSharp), but SED (and perhaps OLDEN) have a lowishs maximum resolution, perhaps they aren't the best of choices.
I would have this monitor for 4-5 years, that much I know.
Yan
Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
FPW means flat panel widescreen so any lcd from dell that is widescreen is FPW
oled it wont cut in large screen because they die pretty quick.
sed perhaps is going to be better than lcd, but HDR brigthside is going to be overkill
great work,
plz keep up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
The Viewsonic review is CLASSIC! :clap: :toast: :clap: I think you might be XS' new official comedian.
SO!!!!! I ORDERED THE Dell 3007WFP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHH!!! I can't wait until it gets here... Friday the 20th... or the 23rd-25th!
CAN'T WAIT!
Yan
Sorry, I guess I was just a tad excited... you all know how it is with these kinda things!
Yan
Wow nice panel! I see you already added it to your sid :D
should take one heck of a card for good fps on that beast.
well, I have a bunch of $$$ put in place for the G80, so my somewhatcrappy 256MB 6600GT w/dual link DVI will have to hold me until then... It has done fine since July!
Yan
Leviathan,
How did you make to import the LCD to Venezuela? Did the shop directly sell to you? Or someone there bought it for you then sent it?
I live in Brazil and it's really hard to get these top stuff without paying almost 3 times the price in the States.
thanks
Well, as I write this, I am viewing the text on the Dell 3007WFP, and let me tell you, whatever people say... They are wrong... The backlighting "issues" that were mention are not visible unless the whole screen has an all black background. It really isn't noticible! Contrast ratio is good, better than my old 15" Dell LCD, though it doesn't quite compare to a CRT... At least thats what I think!
Feel free to ask questions!
Yan
Let us have that review :DQuote:
Originally Posted by YanBooth
I would be willing to help with some image refinement.
Just send me a PM if you need some help.
Make the review verry detailed noting every good and bad thing without exagerating or making it look better than it is. Be honest or else some enthusiast will think it's just biased. :rolleyes: :P
Which games have you played on it? In what way does it not measure up to a CRT? Ghosting? Image quality? Whats the highest resolution you can run in any game? Any 2D quality problems in the native res?Quote:
Originally Posted by YanBooth
Quote:
Originally Posted by sviola
easy enter DELL.com and search for dell brazil then look for the customer number call them and you can buy directly by phone they will ask you for credit card or wiretransfer payment adress and everything they need if you ask for rebates and you have a nice guy in the phone they can give you some disscount they gave me 200$ discount.
they send the LCD via air so its pretty quick the shipping
Hi i am looking for a lcd 19 " i look for a good model in the range of 350 U$ 450 $ with good levels of black a like that the black like black not light black what models i must to buy ¿? ( sory for my english iam from Argentina) Thanks.
send me a PM and i will help you in spanish :P
Ahi te mande pm leelo aver si me podes ayudar un poko :D Saludos!!:-Quote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
Well, just bought my LCD, the Dell Ultrasharp 2005 :). It´ll be arriving in 10 days. And Dell gave me $150 discount :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
Now I´ll hope I´ll not die of anxiety while I´m waiting. :rolleyes:
Oh, my brother bought the Samsung 713N...and it´s a great monitor.
Here is a small review on it:
No ghosting on CS Source at 1280x1024 at all!!!
No dead pixels :)
Nice colors.
And, I haven´t noticed any light leaking, but I haven´t used it for a long time. It´s only flaw is the lack of DVI port. :(
If you guys want a more detailed review, just ask and I´ll write it and post later.
I have played a buncha games on it, Far Cry, GTA SA, CoD1, UT2004, to name a few... Some can run at native resolution, 2560x1600, some don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
I don't really care about ghosting, but it is an improvment from my ancient Dell 15" LCD. Only 2D problems are DVD playback..... OK... these are the problems. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=87274
I LOVE it, cept' for the issues it causes, which is NOT the fault of the monitor in any way, shape, or form... Its just that such CRAZY high resolutions aren't supported by all programs.
please check that link (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=87274) and tell me if there is anything you can help me with... THANKS!!
yan
Where are you from ¿? 10 days shipping :S Who match cost the 2005 dell ¿? thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by sviola
10 days shipping is pretty strange they sent mine in 3 days perhaps they didnt have stock.... glad to hear you bought the lcd... report back when you test it
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824163130
is this screen any good ?? it looks too good to be true!!
19 inch widescreen 1440x900 with 4ms responce time!!!
263 dollars lol thats awesome but i cannot find a review can anybody help?
anybody know what type of screen is on that thing also?
I live in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. The thing with the long delivery time has something to do with customs liberation and the monitor getting to Dell Brazil (which is in São Paulo - about 400 km from Rio), then they´ll send me.Quote:
Originally Posted by darthcani
Yeah, they´re bringing it from the US. The 2005 FPW is not usually sold here in Brazil.Quote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
Any details for Dell 1905 ultra sharp ¿? is good LCD ¿?
Which is preferable for gaming, a 17" LCD or a 19" LCD?
As long as the response times are the same i would get the 19", Bigger is always better, just as long as u dont sacrifice response times for it.
Alright, thanks.
Are there any 19" LCDs that are worth it for gaming under $300?
Damn Im mad.... I had no idea BF2 doesn't support native widescreen resolutions?! What the HELL. Is there no way to hack this other than stretching out the screen?! Wheres our 1920x1200!??!?!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Istasi
Alot of people like this monitor for gaming.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824179014
Quote:
Originally Posted by Semper Fi
afaik there is a mod... search in google for widescreen gaming forum or something similar to that... they have a little reg mod and the game will open the widescreen resolutions
damn i need better video for my 2405 :(
When looking into a nice new 17" or 19" lcd, what kind of response times and contrast ratios are considered good these days?
With 17"Quote:
Originally Posted by Entity_Of_One
6-8ms if it's a VA panel
1-4ms if it's a TN panel
With 19"
8ms if it's a VA panel
1-6ms if it's a TN panel
Note: this doesnt mean you can just buy a LCD with nice specs and expect it to be good or expect that the response time will really be as the company says it is. Review the LCDs with the help of the "Links" section on the guide if the guide doesnt show the LCD you're interrested in.
Even if the LCD is in the guide, it doesnt mean you're safe to buy it. Reseach a lot so surprises dont show up and you get a bad idea of what a good LCD is really all about.
Use the tools provided on the Links section on the Guide.Quote:
Originally Posted by darthcani
Here is a review from CNET:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_UltraSh...-31232074.html
Also check "Read all user opinions" to give you an idea of what you might expect from it.
Look for people that know what they are talking about.
Press a lot of "(read more)" buttons ;)
A lot of people like the L90D+ because it's a nice TN panel and verry cheap compared to the competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delirious
I would say:
VP930b -> if you want image quality + speed (8ms P-MVA panel)
VX924 -> if you want one of the fastest (2ms TN panel)
L90D+ -> if you want something cheap for gaming (8ms TN panel)
E196FP -> new Dell 19" LCD that can be verry cheap and could be good enough for gaming, but I didnt find any reviews about it so I'm not sure if it's as good as the specs say. I prefer the L90D+ because it's more known and the price difference isnt that great, not to mention it could get even closer afther tax and shipping.
Which one do you think is overall better:
Samsung 760BF 4ms G2G 700:1
Samsung 770P, 17" 6ms G2G 1500:1
I dont know anything about the 760BF. It's probably good, but a bit old.Quote:
Originally Posted by marius7
From the Samsung site, I only got that it's a 4ms TN panel with 700:1
contrast, 300 cd/m2 brightness, and 160°/160° viewing angles
http://www.samsung.com/au/products/m...Specifications
I also cant find many links with a price on it, but it seems verry expensive for a 17" with those specs
They probably discontinued the product :rolleyes:
The 770P on the other hand is probably the best 17" LCD overal. It does it all verry well. It's on the guide, BTW
The problem with the 770P is that it costs as much as a good 19" LCD
Here is a review from BeHardware.com
http://www.behardware.com/articles/5...ms-1500-1.html
Why do you want to buy a 17" LCD that costs as much as a good 19" LCD?:confused:
So, has anyone tested the 30" from Dell yet? Is it any good for gaming?
Because I'm unable to buy Viewsonic LCDs in my country. Do you know another good model ? Take a look here: http://www.emag.ro/monitoare_lcdQuote:
Originally Posted by Turok
If it's not too expensive for you, get eather the Samsung 930BF, Samsung 960BF, or the Samsung 970PQuote:
Originally Posted by marius7
Here are the links:
Samsung 930BF
http://www.emag.ro/monitoare_lcd/sam...yncMaster930BF
Review:
http://www.behardware.com/articles/5...tn-ips-va.html
Samsung 960BF
http://www.emag.ro/monitoare_lcd/sam...Sam960BFDVI4ms
Some user reviews:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Samsung_Sync...html?tag=uolst
Samsung 970P
http://www.emag.ro/monitoare_lcd/sam...LCDSamsung970P
Review:
http://www.xyzcomputing.com/index.ph...1&limitstart=4
The choices are a bit limited
I would probably go for the Samsung 930BF