nice nice thx for that but hardly i can take them out of country. I will try dhl cause at the postoficce the police duanna man shake my hand hard and said no to me! i will send them for sure somehow and u may know the performance.
regards,
q
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nice nice thx for that but hardly i can take them out of country. I will try dhl cause at the postoficce the police duanna man shake my hand hard and said no to me! i will send them for sure somehow and u may know the performance.
regards,
q
Last batch of evaps
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/574/ma1rev2051w0lo.jpg
Try this at home... :D
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/671...wmedium7zn.jpg
havent had much time to make evaps :(
but, latest rev3 modded to fit vapo enclosure
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/...ev3/vapo01.jpg
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/...ev3/vapo02.jpg
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/...ev3/vapo03.jpg
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/...ev3/vapo04.jpg
..next, is a g card evap :)
Wow, that`s very nice. Suction is solid with evap ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ssilencer
I think that is actaully the cap tube. notice the large opening at the top of the block. I believe that the suction line will be brazed to that, having the cap line inside of the suction line.
lol, that is the suction line, or the begining of it anyway, then the flex line will be brazed on to it to continue it. I dont know about the capillary being inside though, I think it has been extablished that coiling it around the outside of the suction line reaps better results since even though its not as cold outside you get the whole line cooled rather then just a part of it when it is inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
Cap being inside works eqaully as good... :P Besides, who said you can wrap rest of cap outside once it comes out :)
that is for braze a bigger piece of cap tube there, then you can braze the cap tube you want and send it inside or outside the suction hose, you can see how it looks in this picQuote:
Originally Posted by LukeXE
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5...051w0lo6qg.jpg
the idea is to make it easier to change or even braze the cap tube.
he suction hose has to be brazed on the top of the evap
the evap has an upper chamber.
And yes, is all one piece.
Also LukeXE see the size compared with a cigarrette, if that was to braze the suction line hose, it has to be some weird little thin flex hose :)
love those enclosures.
hello! here my pioneering evap :
http://images.people.overclockers.ru/77568.jpg
http://images.people.overclockers.ru/77567.jpg
http://images.people.overclockers.ru/77566.jpg
your opinion?
very handmade :D
nicely polished bottom:)
how many hours for that?? I think it will work ok :)
Operating time approximately 5-6h. I love work :)) And the machine tool near at hand was not.
wow, that looks like something i would have done aman.
*on to my next ghetto project*
No but seriously, it looks like it will work well, good job.
Quick question, on those spiral evaps, what tool on the lathe is used to go that deep to cut the spirals? It looks like a deep thread, but nothing on the lathe I've used has the capability to go that deep.
new cascade evap and his litle brother for singles, its the rev 4 :)
base will still be machined to 2,5mm after soldering
the small one is 3cms tall, cap tube is brazed to mid where there is a 5mm diameter hole from top to base. 4 holes in base provide refrigerant to spiral that is 2x12mm wide
spiral doesnt look 2mm wide cause when machining to final diameter it creates an edge that im not removing
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/...pcascade05.jpg
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/evaps/rev401.jpg
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/evaps/rev402.jpg
omg wow! I wanna see some numbers, that evap is a monster, great work yet again blaster :toast:
Nice evaps guys. Now if i wanted to purcahse one of these and like a mounting would someone be willing to sell? (pm me ;) )
Blaster Good evap. At assembly, channels become forged the deposit, a dirt?
Here's mine. First attempt. Hope it does good. :)
http://homepage.mac.com/peg43821/.cv...mb_202_269.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/peg43821/.cv...mb_202_269.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/peg43821/.cv...mb_202_269.jpg
can the attachments be fixed of the evap's?
a friend want's to know how a prommy evap is on the inside...
tnx
some photos of the complete Kit V4.1 with vga enclosure
http://www.pc-phasechange.it/fotoupz...1/IMG_5674.jpg
http://www.pc-phasechange.it/fotoupz...1/IMG_5676.jpg
http://www.pc-phasechange.it/fotoupz...1/IMG_5678.jpg
http://www.pc-phasechange.it/fotoupz...1/IMG_5680.jpg
http://www.pc-phasechange.it/fotoupz...1/IMG_5682.jpg
http://www.pc-phasechange.it/fotoupz...1/IMG_5683.jpg
http://www.pc-phasechange.it/fotoupz...1/IMG_5684.jpg
http://www.pc-phasechange.it/fotoupz...1/IMG_5685.jpg
waiting for the new V5 on september *)
use the attach option dimas;)
some more of my evap pics :)
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/evaps/rev4both.jpg
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/evaps/rev441mm.jpg
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/...aprev435mm.jpg
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/...rev435mm01.jpg
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/...vapsanxu04.jpg
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/...apperico02.jpg
http://helderfonseca.planetaclix.pt/...completo01.jpg
like always all is done by me, from lathe to brazing jejejej
I'm currently building my evap, not finished yet but before I finishing it, I want to know what you think about the design.
sadly I havn't access to a lathe anymore 'cause my old friend have sold it.
But I still have my own miller at home.
I attach a image of the design, hope you understand.
http://goto.glocalnet.net/timedlund/Untitled-1.jpg
what do you think about the design? should it work proper?
chanals is 5mm wide, ports between inner/outer ring is 8mm (8*5 between the two lower "stages").
5mm holes in the top stage, and 3/8" out for suctionline, capilary tube goes inside the suction and spray liquid r404 in the bototm.
It probably will work quite decent. Basically bit more advance than Baker's evap from looks. However, bit more distance in bottom plate will help most likely as I see very short amount of time liquid travels in bottom of evap.
the only thing all those layers do is make it harder to build and more expensive.
Surface area should be in the solid piece that has contact with the cpu.
My layman's opinion is that adding layers is adding barriers, or imperfect conduction, between the cpu and the upper part of the evap. More layers also equals more brazing = more chance for leak. More layers = more expensive.
The evaps job is to move as much heat from the cpu into the refrigerant as possible - I think one peice units do that most effectively as there are no added thermal barriers (imperfect,limited or very minimal contact between layers can occur). When I'm thinking about design - I like to think about "when the refrigerant gets to this point - how does this point conduct back to the heat source - what path must the heat take?" Does that make sense? While balancing volume, mass, and surface area is important - if you have layers then you have to add thermal barriers in there as an added consideration.
Chilly's evaps, and other steppers in sleeves, have to conduct from the plate and back to the massive center column and down (thats backward really - but you get the idea) no stops - just pure copper all the way. In layer designs - imperfect contact between them might mean the only way to conduct is out to the outer edge and down - and then through layers of brazing - just doesn't seem as good as the solid design.
If the brazing were perfect and the conductivity between layers acting as though they were one piece of copper - then I think its a great design.
But - I'm not an expert on evaps - I don't even play one on TV.
This is my first design - should have the prototype in about a week.
<a href="http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evap5asa2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7720/evap5asa2.th.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Uploaded by ImageShack Toolbar"/></a>
It's a bit expensive because its a little more complicated than a stepper.
Another I'm working on is based on Eleven's evap.
<a href="http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11basedlu7.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6470/11basedlu7.th.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Uploaded by ImageShack Toolbar"/></a>
Any reason it isn't an effective design?
edited for typos
well, the price of making it doesn't matter 'cause I produce it myself.
but the lost of friends lathe make it difficult to make a solid evap.
I have pretty good miller so the evap parts will fit perfect on less then a 0,01mm differens.
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by the way I have to reconstruct the evap 'cause I'm going to use cpev, the capilary tube isn't going thought the suctionline then.
quasi, i like your design. mind if i give it a try in the near future while im trying other designs? i dont think i will make one exactly like pictured, i would modify it some to simplify machining (all my work is done manually)
Evaporator should have good heat conduction channels to large surface area which should be NOT shining smooth. Ive read from some cold machinery book that rough surface area can be multiple times effective in case of boiling than same size surface which is shining (i think that cross-like Dimas? evaporator might be somewhat decent if it had roughened surface because otherwise it conducts heat well).
Most evaporators are just trying to be different and are more like visual shows than actually have some desingn in these aspects (multiple layer evaporators for example).
Some kind simple of pin-type block with directed refrigant flow channels might do the job nicely.
Just piece of my mind.. Im hoping DetroitAc will remove some myths about the subject some day with his testing system. Seems very promising this far.
well, this is an ideia to mix maze and steep.
my and sl4ck evaps thred: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=116847
some pics:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9750/3d1cp0.jpg
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/807/1go8.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5476/2rf9.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2386/1ww0.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3106/1tq7.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4157/5lh1.jpg
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4654/3hm1.jpg
DetroitAC has done some great work building that steady state calorimeter. That will stop all the guessing and conjecture and assign a actual value. I have a feeling there going to be some surprises :) . I also have a feeling there going to be a explosion in new designs,the great thing his testing will show if a design is moving the performance in the right or wrong direction. :woot: :toast:
Ps: detroitac ,I seen your evap kits did you think of offering one a t a slightly lower price and leave the drilling of holes or slots and the brazing up to the customer. If anyone is untested,I sure someone will want his own unique flow pattern.
In any case your work WILL move evap design forward. :clap: :clap: :clap:
|RickY| your evap looks great ;)
thanks
By the way: here is one evaporator which i made pretty long time ago for compressor setup which i never finished really :wth:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/sekalai...evaporator.JPG
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/sekalaiset/evap%201.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/sekalaiset/evap%202.jpg
Seems that ive lost the best pictures where its finished but youll get the idea.
Thanks for the encouraging words guys :toast:
I was thinking pins also ikkahy, this is one concept evap I'll test that is 72 rods perpendicular to the flow direction, four passes, with an increasing cross sectional area. As you can see I didn't plan for the size of my suction tube very well and lost one rod. I don't like the thin blocker plates on this, I'll never do that again, and this one took a really long time to build...but you know, it's just a one-off concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilkkahy
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5...evap043xh8.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7...evap044jf6.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6...evap042ya7.jpg
The bottom part is missing in those pics or have i understood wrongly? If that big piece is meant to be bottom im not sure if the refrigant flows that well in those holes.
Very nice machine work anyways. I wish i had mill at my usage.
The small piece (with the thin plates sticking out) is the base. It has short holes drilled in to hold the rods in place. The big piece has holes that go through, and the rods were inserted with the two pieces assembled. The base was made extra thick so I can mill it down in between tests to (try to) find the optimum base thickness.
Hmm.. that was unexpected. You want to use pins for creating turbulence? I dont see the benefit from their surface area unless they are well "thermally connected" to cpu.
DetroitAc: would you happen to be intrested in realizating evaporator if i desinged something special with care? I pretty much know what kind of constructions are possible, too hard or just impossible to make with basic machinery.
They are inserted into and then brazed to the base, so yes directly thermal conduction to the base, and added turbulence and conduction area. PM me with your idea ilkkahy
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/...0_dscn4247.jpg
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/...0_dscn4250.jpg
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/...0_dscn4251.jpg
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/...0_dscn4253.jpg
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/...ilder_015_.jpg
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/...ilder_014_.jpg
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/...ilder_018_.jpg
the small one is 10mm high :)
made for NB or GPU
easy to braze
costs less than 10€
Nice evap, but are you purging while brazing? Do you have mounting for it?
thanks
lol, thats exactly what my german people asked me. :p:
No, i didn't purge them but the next I will! :)
For the mounting, I need plastic like you use for your mounting but I dont know where I get it local... :(
Do you sell mountings for GPU evaps? My Evap has 28mm diameter.
Every evap has different mounting, i can make it if you send me evap, but on your i don't see any groove for oring or something like that...
thanks
Here is one basic principle of channel type evaporator that i think might be pretty damn effective. The idea is pretty simple but if the channels were threaded it would have plenty of surface area and very good heat conducting properties. The edges would require accurate milling but i think it might be worth trying. Suction and refrigant channels would come to evaporator from the edge plates that arent seen in the picture.. i just got that 3d program today so i didnt bother to draw them yet :D
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/sekalaiset/evaporator.JPG
Here is my evap cleaned :D
http://ld-phasechange.com/images/evaps/2.jpg
thanks
sexy LD. That thing must have taken for ever to polish like that.
Care to show internal of it LD? You said my evap?
New one, height is the same, base thickness is different and internal of evap is completely different ;)Quote:
Care to show internal of it LD? You said my evap?
I'm testing 4 dfferent evaps right now, and when test will be done i will show you which one is winner...
regards
Nice idea of heatshrinking the captube, do you see why I hide my ideas?Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleDevil
lolQuote:
Nice idea of heatshrinking the captube, do you see why I hide my ideas?
Your idea hehe, when i make evap for Ratax and other peoples i i put that on suction line and Ratax bought brazed evaps more than 1/2 year ago!
And if you want to know when i saw that ---> Vapo LS!
http://www.coldbug.de/Bilder/ls/1.jpg
thanks
Heatshrinking suction is from the old days, VapoPE had even heatshrink on the suction.
They mounted there thermal sensor there you know :)
Johann your so tence lately? care to work your frustrations out on someone else please ;)
The heatshrink on the vapo's are for holding the temp probe in place not for holding captube in place wich is clearly what that heatshrink is about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jort
I did not say its me who thougth of it, Im saying LD did not do it until I did it on my previous mod.
LD can do what he want, Im just trying to prove a point that you proppably wont understand.
Anyway, Jort what did it have to do with you?
LD you are very patient to polish that evap :eek:
I now what point you want to prove:)Quote:
Originally Posted by johann
Johann did you missed that?Quote:
Your idea hehe, when i make evap for Ratax and other peoples i put that on suction line and Ratax bought brazed evaps more than 1/2 year ago!
thanks
@ Jort
I am extremely happy for you!
@ LD
No I did not. Lets leave it there. I will never ever say again you copied something I promise. Like you say we all copy things and we are all different. I like to copy some things and you like to copy everything so we all do what we like and are very happy. YAY!
Agree to diss agree or not at all
I am not ya mothers nor ya fathers but christ!
I love that little heatsrink trick. I guess it's due to the cap tube being so thin and eays to snap right,...
That's why I prefer to put the cap tube inside the suction, you got better subcooling also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
Also, I think it is just a matter of being straight and recognize the good ideas to the ones who had it.
It is better to say "chilly type evap" than "mine evap", or Jan kind of desuperhater instead of my own desuperheater design (that's the only idea I ever copied btw :P).
I still don;t understand how you get it out and seal it all up and everthing....seams to work how ever!
Hey,
Beginning of my new evap made with great help of Ols and me.
/!\ Be careful.... 19 pics :D /!\
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...vapo/evapo.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...po/evapo_2.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...po/evapo_3.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...po/evapo_4.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...po/evapo_6.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...po/evapo_7.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...po/evapo_8.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...po/evapo_9.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...o/evapo_10.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...o/evapo_11.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...o/evapo_12.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...o/evapo_13.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...o/evapo_14.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...o/evapo_15.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...o/evapo_16.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...o/evapo_17.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...o/evapo_18.jpg
http://syndrome-oc.e-supinfo.net/img...o/evapo_19.jpg
The original part is a copper ingot about 40*20*350mm :D
It's too difficult to make a cylinder with an ingot ;)
This was the first evaporator we've made, it represent approximatively 2H / 2H30 of work.
:) Other pics later
Here is a design I came up with, no dimensions becuase its just theory work.
p.s. sorry for the necrothreading.
p.p.s. @Trouffman, nice evap, looks like the chamber from a revolver :D
p.p.p.s @DetroitAC, did you ever finish the evap with the posts in it? How did it go?
Sure I finished it, but then I solved the copper conduction/ refrigerant convection heat transfer problem, and realized that thing was way off. It's a paper weight now, and I'm working on an evap with what I believe to be the proper balance. I'm a victim of the saying in my sig...should'a done the paper research first...:shrug:
Lol :P Keep us posted
@ Trouffman, Nice! Some of the pics even look like a revolver part :- )
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7290/87750166zi9.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3544/60986394ap3.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7677/96857974by9.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3683/74051380gp5.jpg
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2853/56655134ie6.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1810/55186961ya4.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4405/60616681dm7.jpg
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/285/38377834rc9.jpg
Damn nice evap Ricky!!! :clap:
Ricky no comment. :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :eek2: :eek2: Good luck brazing that tho.
Nice Ricky. We sure are going back to what good old baker used to do with more refinement as time keeps going on :)
I designed this evap as my latest mindflurry: Could be machined to have 4mm depth channels on a CNC mill fairly easily. Designed to have 2 layers so that the maximum amount of surface area can be utilized. A copper layer would be placed on top of the channels with a hole in the outer most channel leading to the upper level. The suction line would then be centered in the middle of the top level. If you took out the inner most circle you could use dual caps quite easily.
Hey freddie, do you think there will be enough mass to hold temps in that evap?
Phase is much less about mass then it is about the amount of refrigerant in contact with the copper. With a 3mm base that evap should work really well, provided you can get it machined. The design is public by the way so if anyone wanted to machine it i'd have no quibbles.
Quickly sketched some evaps. Sorry if this is in the wrong place. i did a search for "evaporators" and this came up as i do not want to make a new thread. If this is frowned upon, i will edit posts and start new thread or pm somebody. These are the designs: considering making from aluminum. A little economy evap perhaps?
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9...tainlesik5.jpg
Any obvious suggestions?
Well, again, the aluminum evap has been tried and those whose did it, FUGGER and Chilly1 stated that the aluminum wasnt strong enough, and that it balooned out. Try it if you want but economy shouldnt mean explosive
Something brainless, simple... :) It's for GPU and I wanted to see how each varients (little differences on each of them) handles :) Going to surface bottom later to thousandth and than sand blast it.
I need to figure out better feed rate and depth, etc as I am sure it can be done twice faster than how I am doing it. (for one g-code isn't optimized.... but I ain't bothering rewriting it till I get something I will stick to for a while).
http://www.vapoli.com/Images/Forum/Evap/IMG_0204.JPG
Looks good Jinu!
Beautiful! truley awsome mate. Sandblasting: Is it necessary? how much does it help? and is it pricy?
Think it looks better now. Wonder if I will have enough time to braze it up before I have to drive to LAX... -_-;
http://www.vapoli.com/Images/Forum/Evap/IMG_0208.JPG
bottom has been milled to what seems to be less than 1 thousandth accuracy... easy lapping yes!.. than whole thing sand blasted and than cleaned in 99.9% alcohol bath with ultrasonic cleaner to make sure no contaminants remains. These alcohols are getting expensive and I might have to make distiller like Michael does :P
damn nice jinu!
So Sweet Jin !!! :D
you have an ultrasonic cleaner?... and you have a sandblaster? god... or do you have them done?
those look amazing jin......
I think the one with more surface area will be better, but who knows? maybe the one with more mass will be better :shrug:
you guys are artists
Wait, who here owns a Taig? I do :D CNC'ed as well :)
No taig. I splurged a little more than Taig. It's Sieg SX3 converted mill. About 3x-5x havier mill. Probably will replace to Tormach once mill recovers it's initial investment cost :)
o its the x3? i thought it was the x2 for some reason, thats why i was amazed at price. Thats an excelent machine:up: Do you mind if sometime you post some pics of your sandblasting outfit? (not your outfit lol but the actual sandblasting part)
Keep it up.
P.S. have you ever considered getting a 4th axis on there? like a cnc rotary table?
Why do you care about what Jin wears when he sandblasts?:D
I have 4th axis... Just don't get to use it much to be honest. (got it thinking I will end up doing some variant of spiral design)
The mill basically has pretty much all options I can think about putting in. It's just tool change is taking too long that's one major reason I would like to move onto something... bigger... won't happen for a while though. (it kind of goes 2 ways... for small run and prototype, this is great but for production, I can't deal with all the noise I am getting throughout garage - the compressor is pretty loud and combined with mill, cold air gun, and vacuum running to suck the chips, it's bothersome even with ear muff on).
Honestly, if I will run production in this small area, I will eventually need scroll compressor which isn't cheap, something at least tormach kind of easiness on tool change, etc. Net cost of something around decent family car. Yeah, easier to outsource for that much money (well even this setup costed economy car cost or maybe tad more in whole).
Sandblaster is something I really went cheap at HF... :) For all the tools we talk about good air compressor in range over $1500-2000 do become requirement unfortunately. (especially cold air gun)
PS) Hmm what do I wear? Nothing other than the EO mask thing. It's sand blast cabinet... :) Since it is cheap even with vacuum on, it leaks small amount out and I do wear mask to make sure I am safe... :)
PPS) If you are interested in getting Sieg SX3 converted mill, now is time. There will be about 20-30% price increase in US for many reasons (one being weak USD) in coming year.
lol, i couldn't think of the name. im dead tired, i meant cabinet:ROTF:
Jeeze jin, you are really hooked up :up: Yes i ment cabinet. I am actually more interested in a converted x2 mill, my budget is running tight now. From october-january i will have spent about 3 thousand dollars or so on various projects.... need to slow down!
Thats awsoem! cnc 4 axis, didn't know that it was included! Is there a point to yoru lathe with a rotary table?
Keep up the awsome projects jin!
p.s. the sandblasting cabinet did a great job on those evaps!
Reed
:welcome:
This CPU evap is for Piotres - rev2.x :)
http://rybamcz.boo.pl/zdjecia/parown...3/PICT0493.JPG
http://rybamcz.boo.pl/zdjecia/parown...3/PICT0496.JPG
http://rybamcz.boo.pl/zdjecia/parown...3/PICT0497.JPG
http://rybamcz.boo.pl/zdjecia/parown...3/PICT0498.JPG
And this is for my SLI unit:
http://rybamcz.boo.pl/zdjecia/parown...1/PICT0499.JPG
http://rybamcz.boo.pl/zdjecia/parown...1/PICT0500.JPG
http://rybamcz.boo.pl/zdjecia/parown...1/PICT0502.JPG
Nice macro mode on that second and third pic! I can almost id you from your fingerprint! Did you use a tripod?
What!! No macro?!:shocked: :shocked: What kind of camera do you have I want one!
[ryba mode on]
camera isnt most important
skill is the most :D
[ryba mode off]
btw
http://omniserver.no-ip.org/duniek/e.../CPU/evaps.JPG
Bit off topic but Lens, and light makes all the difference in world.