I can safely say that the most useful feature on Asus motherboards in my opinion is the memory OK button , it has saved my life quite a few many times under cold. Awsome feature only used on Asus Mobos :up: , Mem Ok FTW !
I can safely say that the most useful feature on Asus motherboards in my opinion is the memory OK button , it has saved my life quite a few many times under cold. Awsome feature only used on Asus Mobos :up: , Mem Ok FTW !
SB out there who got a download link for Bios 0702 for Maximus Vi Gene ?
Anyone have their hands on the Z87 - Deluxe or Deluxe/Dual yet? These seem to be the most feature rich and reasonably priced on the market (for us normal folk)...just looking for some end user opinions on them.
I just finished putting a system together with the Z87 deluxe. haven't had time to mess around with it much yet, this is my busy time of year at work. That having been said, I plan to spend the vast majority of my off time in the coming weeks screwing around with it. will update my sig with the current build info early this week and start posting results. I can say this so far, everything works great. No problems what so ever. My last build was with an asus p35 black pearl, so this system overclocks in completely different ways. hello learning curve.
Updated Sig
I took my Asus Z87-Pro today for a spin on my Cascade and to my surprise she gave back to me this:
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2848700
http://imageshack.us/a/img4/5689/8uuv.jpg
Very stable mobo , loving it more every day , I need to take this good cpu for a spin on my Maximus 6 extreme for more Mhz on LN2 :up:
very nice chispy, l310vxxx? or some else batch?
hey how do i get the CPu frequency not to drop under idle?
nvm i fixed it, i had to set windows power mode to high performance in win7
Hi All,
Can someone share what volts I should set some of the Bios features at to get better than 4.62GHz with a 4770K 4/8 to complete 3DMark06.
Trying to get to 4.8GHz on cold water in a cool basement. Here is a screen shot of my settings. Any higher BClock at these voltages it freezes.
I'm using Shammy's Bios as it worked better than 0606 on my M6 Gene.
http://imageshack.us/a/img526/4397/bqto.jpg
@ Kensek..Probably try 100 or 125 strap
Retail MVIE, CPU under water.
BCLK 200.7MHz:
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...swell/2007.jpg
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/2852242.png
Memory OC 3086MHz:
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...swell/1543.jpg
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/2852273.png
Yeah just reviewed Deluxe: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...rd-review.html
Tested a bunch of features, should be useful for a typical user.
ASUS ROG Z87 MAXIMUS VI GENE, HERO, EXTREME
0711 bios version 1.07.2013
GENE VI : http://www.mediafire.com/?m9za1z66y6juq5g
HERO : http://www.mediafire.com/?sdk19kfz16by36o
EXTREME 6 : http://www.mediafire.com/?ha14lue69bnf7xf
Update from Shammy
http://kingpincooling.com/forum/show...stcount=870031
0031 for m6E
http://www.mediafire.com/?z4u8cg24zccpz1d
0038 for M6G
http://www.mediafire.com/?31og10794i6s0p1
will update for Hero later
updates:
initial bclk available in tweakers if ai tuner is not auto, auto = bclk in main page unless you wanna boot with different then adjust this
eventual dram voltage moved into timing control
adds skew controls in dram config menu
-skew control in dram makes a whole big diff but time consuming so u can fine tune one by one.
focus on the 2 green ones first then move onto the blue one
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7199/2syh.jpg
Thanks Shammy:up:
Thanx for the tip Dumo. I also found I can squeeze out more CPU speed by turning down the Uncore from 4600 to 3900. And additional Uncore (N/B) speed wasn't helping in 3DMark06, but CPU speed does. I max out the 4770K at 4.85 GHz on a tad more than 1.40v. Real temp shows my max cpu temperatures at 79C-81C for all cores.
This is the max I can probably squeeze out of this CPU/Mobo/GPU combination.
http://imageshack.us/a/img94/1016/j519.jpg
Asus has put out BIOS 1205 for the Z87-Pro. AFAICT, it lowers the automatic overclock and ups the adaptive voltage. Bear in mind that installing this BIOS wipes your settings, including saved profiles in the BIOS and settings in AI Suite. You either should save your settings first (out to USB stick for the BIOS) or you'll have to re-enter our BIOS settings or re-run the Four Way Optimisation routine.
It seems to be quite pessimistic as my chip does a higher clock on much less voltage.
Is anyone else finding that AI Suite does not automatically load your saved settings after a reboot? You get Asus default speed and voltages for things like the CPU ratio and OC Voltage, when I want to load lower voltages. Does this have to be set in the BIOS, making AI Suite half useless?
No,it should write back to UEFI. If you changed anything then obviously whatever was changed in UEFI will stick (it does not create an OS based profile becasue it is supposed to write the settings to UEFI). Make sure you are running the latest AI Suite build for the board also.
Definitely doesn't work then. I'm running the latest AI Suite and checked all the components against the Asus global website. I'm running a Z87-Pro with the latest 1205 UEFI, and it reloads the old UEFI settings into AI Suite at every boot, and won't save the settings back to the UEFI. The version of AI Suite unpacks to "AISuite_III_Win7_8_Z87-Deluxe_VER10044" - is this the correct version for the Pro board? It is what is given under the Asus Z87-Pro download page, and it is newer than the one on the support CD.
It does save the settings to UEFI when you run the 4 Way Tuning, but after that any manual changes do not stick between bootups.
This is especially annoying because it's loading a massive 1.275v adaptive voltage into the CPU under load, giving very high temps and high voltages that are completely unnecessary and potentially damaging, and won't save my changes to the settings. I've had AI Suite report 1.396v under load, when it really isn't needed to get stability on my chip.
The adaptive voltage and AVX instructions are the issue. I've told people if they are going to run AVX stress utilities NOT to use adaptive mode. The CPU will just throttle down as the temp breaches anyway. You can set UEFI to manual mode and the VID wil just copy over to a manual VID.
Let me make the rest clearer. It seems we have crossed wires here:
1) After you run 4-way, the settings it determines will write back to UEFI.
2) If you want to change anything AFTER 4-way, do it in UEFI, NOT in AI Suite III. Manual changes in AI Suite III by you do not write back to UEFI. Only the 4-way portion does. I think that is the part that has you confused.
-Raja
This isn't just torture utilities though. I've been using an MP4 encoder to test real world usage/stress (actually encoding some video, not torture testing), and that's AVX enabled. I'm pretty sure people will be using AVX in the real world. For instance, it's used in the GRID 2 game that came free with my Haswell CPU.
Okay, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me as to why AI Suite will not allow manual changes to be saved between boot sessions, but if that's how it works, at least I can understand what is going on and make changes in the UEFI instead. Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me, I appreciate you clearing that up.
Maybe AI Suite could be made more clear that 4-Way testing is saved to UEFI, and subsequent manual changes in AI Suite are not? It's confusing because some parts of AI Suite (such as the fan profiles) are loaded between boot sessions, but others (like the TPU) are not.
It also seems to me that this new 1205 UEFI with changes to enhance stability have simply given a lesser overclock and a more aggressive adaptive OC voltage. That might help people who have poor Haswell chips, but for people like me with good, fast clockers, it's worse than with the 1007 UEFI, at least under the 4-Way optimisation.
Software, simply being AVX enabled does not ramp the VID as the heavy stress test utilities do. I had one user test Grid and he did not see the ramp at all. It seems very much load dependant. Not sure on your encoder, if you have checked then just set to a manual VID. That is why i said "AVX stress tests" and NOT AVX software. You are welcome to check of course and decide on what works better for you.
FWIW the VID ramp under "HEAVY" AVX loads is something programmed by Intel, not us. There is nothing we can do about that.
I will finish by saying just use 4-way as a staring point and make UEFI changes as you deem important for your system and usage scenario. We can't account for every CPU out there, so you can tune manually as needed.
Yes, just I was hoping to do it in a nice program running in the same environment I was testing in, without having to reboot back and forth into the UEFI. It seems a bit of a waste to have this nice AI Suite for tuning, and then have to dig around in the UEFI to find all the equivalent settings you need to change once you've found your requirements - some of them are much harder to locate in the UEFI than in the AI Suite. It doubles the work, and it would be nice to have a "Commit Settings to UEFI" in AI Suite.
That has been fed-back before. Don't think it will be added as it adds another layer of complexity that our guys dont want to get into right now.
There isn't much one needs to adjust for 24/7 OC anyways, so it's quite easy to do in UEFI.
It is the same for the Z87-Pro, but I don't think anybody wants to have to keep loading their profile up again every time their PC boots. My particular concern is I didn't want the PC to default to a high adaptive overclock voltage when I don't need it. All it takes is to forget to load a profile, and it's possible to be running nearly to 1.4 volts under load, which is more than I want to be putting through an expensive 4770K.
Most real world programs using AVX do not hammer the CPU as utilities such as Prime/LinX does. I doubt you would even see the voltage increase unless you graph all the cores over a period of time. Below is HandBrake and x264 HD Benchmark which both use AVX monitored over an approximate 15 minute interval. Normal full load is 1.287V and AVX load is 1.399V.
x264 HD Benchmark
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http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...pg//x264_s.jpg
HandBrake
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http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...pg//hand_s.jpg
Killed my first 4770K with M6E.
Debug code 00 with CPU LED lighted on.
confirmed it with another 4770K.
one of the bios chips is dead also. Code 00 forever even backflashed and battery off.
What voltage settings and last bench owik?
Test 0031 mfr
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2565/nv6k.png
5.0 2c 2t with 1.6v LLC8 VCCIN 2.2V
It had been fine on review M6E. But all went wrong on retail M6E in which I had multiple boot loops and debug code 00.
then swapped on review M6E with the same settings but VCCIN 1.75v. Stuck at code 00 = CPU gg and one bios chip is unusable code 00 forever.
Almost all guys that killed their haswell on air user 2.2 vccin,i advise to keep it at 2V or below,after all you need a delta of 0.4v between vcore and vccin,so if you bench 1.6Vcore(|which is not advisable on air too) 2.0 vccin would be fine.
I'm having a bizarre issue with a new Maximus VI Extreme build I just put together last week.
Every time I disconnect the PSU from an electrical outlet and then reconnect it the machine keeps starting and then shutting off on the first attempt to power up.
The power light comes on and the fans start to spin and then it shuts back down again and some times cycles on and off a few times. Once I finally get it to power up completely and boot into Windows the problem won't reoccur until I disconnect the PSU from the electrical outlet again.
The problem occurs on both Windows 7 and Windows 8 Pro 64. Does anyone here have any ideas?
The specs on the machine are as follows -
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Extreme
CPU: 4770K (Swiftech H220 Water Cooler)
Memory: G.SKILL Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) (PC3 12800/C7)
GPU: EVGA Titan SC
SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 128/256 GB
PSU: Corsair AX1200
Case: Lian Li PC-A70
Thank you for the response.
I'll have to check again using the default BIOS settings to be sure but I think when I first put the build together I had the same problem using the default settings.
Is the UFI version the same as ME version? If so I'm showing 9.0.2.1345. If it's not how can I find the UFI version?
Sorry typo, should read UEFI. Should be shown on the screen you are reading the ME version from.
Latest beta UEFI is here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?z4u8cg24zccpz1d
If you don't know which version, it's probably likely you are on the shipping build. Flash the build above and see if you still get power cycle issues at complete defaults. If the board halts during POST let us know which code it is halting on. Might be worth typing out a list of all peripherals plugged into the board as well.
BTW if you are using only two memory modules, use the red slots.
It does that with all uefi,it's not an issue i think,other boards do it too.From connecting power cord to actually powering up the rig it takes 2 cycles of on/off.
His posts make it sound like he cannot get it to turn on unless he tries a few times. Yes the restarts are normal depending upon settings applied, but the board should cycle as needed and POST~BOOT into the OS without the user needing to intervene. One would assume he is leaving the board to do that, but stranger things happen I suppose..hehe
hehe :D when you don't know whom to blame,aliens are there all the times you know :)
Lol aliens. We should call in Jesse Ventura...
I flashed to the BIOS you posted the link to. After the BIOS flashed the machine restarted around 3 separate times while it updated iROG1 and iROG2.
Now it seems to consistently restart 2 times before fully powering up after the PSU has been disconnected from the outlet. I have to hold the power button for a bit to get it to start also, a lot longer than what I experience from a power up when the PSU hasn't been disconnected.
Unlike what I interpreted the manual as instructing, I switched the two memory modules from the black slots to the red ones but it doesn't seem to help anything.
By the way do you have any suggestions for how the BIOS should be setup for the memory and CPU I'm using with this board? I'm currently using the XMP option with the Ai Overclock Turner which has detected the proper timings for this memory but that's about it.
Having to hold the power button longer for the board to start: Are the onboard standby LEDs illuminated when you are pressing the power button? Might be a slight delay as the PSU switches on. Personally, I don't turn my PSU off at the wall every night - I utilize S3. ErP compliant means very low power leakage in S3 (standby) from these PSUs.
Can't really advise any more as I have to go by how you are describing the symptoms and that makes it difficult. I would not worry about overclocking your CPU until you've worked the basics of how the board works out and identified if there are any issues. The double-pump (restart) is normal from AC power cycle. The switch-on delay you are citing could just be your PSU getting power to the board after turn on, and you pressing the case power button too soon.
-Raja
I highly doubt my problem is board related, but Windows has been freezing on the splash screen where it says "Starting Windows" about 80% of the time. I have reinstalled the OS and it was OK for a little bit, but the issue came back after a while (maybe I corrupted something while I was OCing)? After multiple boot attempts with freezing, I cranked it back down to 4.0GHz from 4.7GHz it was able to boot OK after running CHKDSK on my RAID1 storage array. Had a graceful shutdown and it would not boot before I left for work this morning after 5+ tries of freezing @4.0.
I'm going to try rolling back to a backup I made yesterday when the freezing issue had only happened once when I get home.
For the record I have disabled ASMedia onboard SATA to rule out some devices and have the latest Catalyst and Intel RST drivers, and all the latest updates. Flashed the latest 0711 BIOS as well. I'll update tonight after work.
Any other ideas to try?
Return to stock. Make sure CPU has not degraded in any way from being pushed.
Yes I have seen the standby LED's illuminated. The reason why I was disconnecting it from the wall to begin with was as a extra precaution when swapping out hard drives (I'm using a Icydock FlexCage).
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Can't really advise any more as I have to go by how you are describing the symptoms and that makes it difficult. I would not worry about overclocking your CPU until you've worked the basics of how the board works out and identified if there are any issues. The double-pump (restart) is normal from AC power cycle. The switch-on delay you are citing could just be your PSU getting power to the board after turn on, and you pressing the case power button too soon.
I wasn't looking at overclocking just yet, I was mainly interested in the most optimized settings for what limited hardware I have connected to the board. I've seen options in BIOS like ?memory scrambler? and haven't had a clue whether they should be enabled or disabled as an example.
Thanks again for the help.
Hmm becareful of the new cpuz 1.65 n ai suite. It messes with the voltages.. N if u didnt check i can easily overvolt.
I have seen cache at 1.95. Digital i/o offset -0.999. Etc.
went back to 1.64.
Its the rog cpuz 1.65 x64 to be more specific.
Hmm new bios m6e. If apply in ai suite say stock in bios at offset auto. set in aisuite vcssa offset +0.175.
Get 1.0v
Restart. Vcssa is 1.0v in bios but offset auto.
Isnt this like dangerous?
Cause what if i set in bios say + 0.100n then + 0.100 in aisuite.
So after restart n load might end up with default at +0.200 with offset +0.100
Not quite sure I follow. Any changes you make in AI suite are not written to UEFI. If you're saving profiles in AI Suite, then don't apply them if you're making changes in UEFI too. Things are dangerous if misused that is true - like it's dangerous to type in 2V for CPU VID and apply it (internal) when CPU is on air. I guess we just trust the users will not try that kind of misadventure.
Can you clarify what you mean a bit better please?
Going back to optimized defaults did not fix the problem. However, moving the network card to a different PCI-e port did? Seems like both of the 1x slots on the bottom were causing issues with my ASUS PCE-AC66 card that caused the freezing on the loading screen. Is this something you guys can look into?
I have it in one of the X16 slots now and it boots up all the time. The one lockup I had was from clocking too high again afterwards.
Was testing some rams. Running using offset so vcssa is stock. Bios read at aisuite is 0.816 etc default offset 0.000.
Entered windows n was stressing ram. Ended up upping vcssa to +0.175v. Aisuite voltage read 1v
Restarted computer n entered bios. Was abt to type in offset vcssa +0.175v. Noticed the default read voltage now at 1v with offset 0.000.
So wondering if i didnt notice n entered offset 0.175 in bios. Will i end up with 1.175v??. Had to shutdown. Off psu to get it back to normal
The changes in aisuite for bios 031 made a change to the default voltage. Nvr happened before on older bios
Okay, this is just UEFI reading the VID at reset. It won't actually be 1.00v. The offset will still be from default. It's just the way the voltage is read at reset. AI Suite does not change UEFI voltage for real. If you shutdown, it should come back reading the default VID.
-Raja
Raja can u show a guide how to set rtl manually like default.
Know we have been through this but so far its working great on asrock ocf.
So if theres a way pls tell. Its always changing n it can mean bsod in 1 min or prime custom test each fft run on large 45 mins pass 7 hours.
I really cannot find any other fault.
Symptoms exactly same as p67 until i key in manually the rtl.
check rtl iol values at settings
add 2~3 or so to the biggest rtl value you see and key it into rtl initial value
once u see that it boots with the right initial value , disable dram swizzling bit2 and key in rtls / iols manually with the settings you first see.
and then loosen or tighten from there, RTL and iol should usually move in opposite directions.
variables for rtl is mainly TCL and freq & command rate, and slightly twcl.
Awesome working. Last note is there a minimum delta between initial n max rtl value??
usually at least one clock or more
obviously as well, initial and eventual values must fall within reasonable range according the frequency and TCL and command rate
higher the freq the bigger, the lower the tcl the lower, 1T lower than 2t and match accordingly with IOL of course
Got it. Again ty. Btw new bios is great.
OK even the X16 slot isn't working with the wireless card anymore :(
Submitted an issue on the website for Z87-Pro BIOS USB smart card reader bug (system hang on boot/POST if you have a smart card inserted, resumes boot once card removed).
It got closed with a single word "Close!" by some guy called Jacek Zuchowski.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1098/hrh9.png
I tried emailing techsupport@asus.com but I got no reply.
It is really annoying to have to remove smart card from the USB smart card reader for the system to boot. BIOS 1205 which was released in the meantime does not fix it.
Set your boot drive as the first boot device in the UEFI. Disable the second and third boot options. If the issue remains you need to accurately and completely list your system components/operating system including the the make and model of the card reader, the smart card and where the card reader is connected to. Raja will need this info for reporting to HQ. Also please keep in mind that his support is limited for users outside of North America.
No way u can do this on any other board. Sham RTL guide and bios 031.
4x4gb is different...2400mhz 9-11-10-28 1t 1.65v. Gskill binned this at this voltage. No room at all.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9642/q7dd.png
Boot is set to boot from Windows Boot Manager (UEFI install), other boot devices are disabled, CSM is enabled but UEFI boot is set to first.
I have already provided info about reader and card in the bug report which was closed in the most rude and unhelpfull way I have ever seen.
Regarding "limited support outside of North America" -- when you are selling on a global market you need to be able to handle support requests from everywhere. If you can't then don't sell your boards here.
Local support cannot fix BIOS for me, only BIOS engineers working in ASUS can. When we are at that, as far as I know smart cards usually are not bootable, not to mention that USB smart card reader should not be treated as storage class device. Finally, every I/O operation should have a timeout. I left the card in for several hours just to see what happens and the board just stays there with a blank screen until I remove the card from the reader.
Btw whats swizzling bit 4 for?? Not on the rog guide.
Ty Dumo.
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Ok now to down the vcore or get 4.5ghz uncore and cpu core.
this is damn fast.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/377/lauv.png
Can anyone tell me exactly what the "Hybrid Hard Disk Support" in the UEFI does? Should I enable it if I use a SSD to cache the array running under Intel's RST?
There's doesn't seem to be any information about this that I can find, and the manual/UEFI just says "enables you to enable or disable the hybrid hard disk support". Do they mean special support for true hybrid drives like the Seagate Momentus, or does it mean when you use a SSD and hard drive together? Does that include or exclude drives running under RSR rather than without RST?
Thanks for any info.
I think it's more for the hybrid drives like the Seagate you mentioned that have small solid state mated to a larger disk. But not 100% sure
Guys, is there a trick to getting HCH9 to run on Z87? I have five sticks that have been working fine on x79 and Ivy but I cn only get two sticks to run on my Gene VI. If I try any of the other three sticks I get code 55 no ram installed or 00 reboot loop, take the one stick out again and it's back to 2666c11. I have other rams so this isn't critical, I was just hoping to find a use for this spare 16gb of ram.
Cheers
:)
Yes it does a few reboots then code 55 again. I have not retested these rams in another rig since this issue surfaced but I assume they all still work.
:/
set manual tertiary_dd timings looser,such as try this when 4 sticks: trdrd_dd=7 twrrd_dd=7 twrwr_dd=7 rrdwr_dd= 13 .
0035 for M6E
http://www.mediafire.com/download/yb...SUS-0035aa.rar
Adds Samsung 1t under ic optimizer
Adds psc 1t under ic optimizer
Adds 2x4GB 2.0v 2800 samsung preset
updates psc 2600 1.85v preset
Take note ic optimzer may change sweetspot for your customized skews
Thanks Sham:up:
Managed to revive the bios chip #1 of M6E.
Suspect debug code 00 happened after i backflash from BIOS 0013 or newer to 0006.
What i did was taking out the bios chip for a few seconds then put it back.
backflash to 0013 or later. (0006 will give code 00, downloaded many times already so it's not corrupted)
bios chip is working again without code 00.
Has anyone managed to get Intel Rapid start working properly under any of the Z87 boards? I find that on a Samsung 840 Pro most of the time instead of dropping to deep sleep mode, the system wakes up and complains that the "operating system was not cleanly shut down", and then boots me back into Windows. I am running Intel Rapid Start and Intel Smart Response off the same drive on different partition, and AFAICT, it's quite a bit slower than normal sleep.
Does anyone have any ideas how to get it working?
I downloaded BIOS 711 for my M6E off the Asus website and unzipped it. Using EZ Flash 2 my computer sees the USB drive and sees the BIOS, it asks me if I want to read it, I press enter and then UEFI says read failed. Do you have to do anything to the BIOS after you download it and unzip it before the UEFI will load it?
[@Praz][@Dumo][@owikh]
At what ram speed u have to up the tRDRD from perfect 4.
Whatever sham did.. the unclockable BFRs are clocking now.
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/1763/ws.png
I have the M6E OC panel mounted in my tower and the cable that plugs into the back of the M6E OC panel does not have a positive lock and just falls out. Anyone else have this problem?
Considering what I paid for this I think that there should have been a positive lock on the cable. I also do not think that I should have to tape and/or tywrap the cable to the OC to get the cable to stay in place.
here is the final 2600 10-12-11-30 2T @ 1.625v. Gskill BFRs'
Now to get to the hard part of running 1T. And maybe reduce that 30 .
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/93/9zra.png
This rams are really sweet. Thanks owikh.
Getting greedy to get 40k read/write/copy on a 24/7 basis.
there is a aim notch but not lock, is the connector fully in? When it is , it is usually very tight such that i can even hang the panel up just by the cable. with the cover on you cannot tell sometimes so uncover it and see that it is fully inserted. i had times when i thought it was but it wasn't.
I'm really considering swapping mobo from ASRock Extreme6 to Maximus VI Hero or Gene but what I'm wondering is are the boards exactly the same minus PCI-E 2 slots vs 3 slots? What about the audio, ASUS touts Gene having 115dB SNR (very high for onboard) on their homepage but it says nothing about the Hero. I'd prefer whichever has better sound or less EMI interfearence if there's any difference (probably not but doesn't hurt to ask if any1 would happen to know more). :p
Reason I'm asking is that mATX often gets used as "HTPC" whereas audio might be slightly more in the focus than a bigger sized board...
Newegg comments has 3 positive comments on audio for VI Gene, one including that appearently used a socket 1155 board before and had some EMI issues but zero with the new Gene. With my ASRock Z87 Extreme6 with ALC1150 there's actually more noise than with my old Gigabyte P55 UD5 that used an ALC889A chip despite ALC889A had no shielding and the ASRock board has shielding + excluded PCB space...
The size of the board has no importance to me, if features are the same on Hero and Gene (same power config etc that matters for OCing) then I could consider both.
HERO has amazing audio, better than Extreme6 in my testing. Working on my review of the Extreme6 right now, actually. I have some performance issues with EX6 I am trying to figure out, OC isn't holding what I set and I see multi drop about 300 MHz like it's running default Intel Turbo with raised multis. Could be a cooling thing for the board since I pulled VRM coolers for VRM pics, but I replaced and contact seems good. Still trying to figure it out, honestly, but today is the last day I spend on it. See anything like that with yours?
My HERO review is here, so you can check RMAA results for HERO:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...XIMUS_VI_HERO/
RMAA results for EX6 has high SNR, but also, more noise.