No Fry's near me. :(
...maybe that's a good thing. :)
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No Fry's near me. :(
...maybe that's a good thing. :)
http://www.bjorn3d.com/2012/07/g-ski.../#.UB1OabRDxWA
I don't remember what the AB40 kits were in terms of IC/density, but it looks like 2500 is all we're going to get out of these.
I decide to install these into my 24/7 system (i7 3820, P9X79 WS). This is my first time doing any overclocking on this box.
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with these (AB40) i am 32M stable @ 1225Mhz 9-10-12-19-1T @1.8vDIMM(BIOS) aircooling
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8...hz91012206.jpg
I can boot them @ 1300Mhz 10-11-12-x-1T but not 32M stable.
Just noticed this thread and see that the dims are starting to be binned like crap?
Did I miss the bus and they are not worth getting anymore?
Define "binned like crap". They are maxing out around 2500-2550 for these $70 (sale price) 2x4GB kits.
If you want more you'll have to go to the 2600 & 2800 kits...of course, GSkills and their retail partners will want more from you in exchange.
If you can pick them up, look for double sided or else go with the 2600C10 version. What a shame, this 2400C10 is the only decent priced Trident-X kit around.
ToyTen, TRRSR 4 is very nice, this setting nets you a whole lot of bandwidth.
the 2600C10 kit is awesome. highly recommended.
I won this kit in the g.skill oc cup @ hwbot. Can't recommend them. Sure you get ddr3-2400 BUT singleside = bad performance. Plus superloose subtimings, what about trfc way over 200 :) My ripjaws 2133 cl8 have better performance even sub 2000 8-9-8. I strongly agree with Zeus, look for double side or go with 2600 c10.
Well my 3930k degraded at some point during the past week (I can only imagine it was after running LinX or AIDA64 stress test) and it can no longer run 2400 stably with any of my kits...except for these single-sided TridentX. I can only assume the super loose subtimings are the reason why.
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Try to load optimized defaults and change settings manually again. Maybe there is a setting you just overlooked?
It's the chip. I had it in my Rampage IV Extreme, swapped it with the 3820 that was in my 24/7 system (P9X79 WS). The 3820+RIVE is clocking the RAM with tight subs fine, the 3930k+P9X79 is still crashing. It's the weirdest thing ever.
I ordered 2 sets to check them out. Probably will get the single sided like everyone else though. Maybe they got some old stock and I will get lucky. If not I will just sale it with my 3930k/board as a bonus. Thanks
Edit: Got single sided samsung "1500".
I ordered two set while they where onsale. one kit single sided, one double. Both samsung and "1500", 2500k wont run over 1140ish so I am running at 1066 to keep it simple, got it at 9-10-11-21 2t @ 1.55v still tweaking. Just omoved from AMD so thing are a little bit different.
So yours are both numbered "1500", but one is single-sided and the other is double-sided? Another fella, tool_462, posted at #177 that he had received a double-sided kit, but he didn't indicate what his serial numbers were.
This number sequence is getting more and more confusing...I think GSkill is trying to mess with our heads. :D
from what i read, AB40, 0340, 0360, 1500 are all samsung
0000, 0240, 1600 are hynix.
Yes, but it appears now that some of those (even within the same number sequence) can be double sided. Before the post above I thought that all "1500" were single-sided.
Mine are still sealed in the box. G.Skill what are you trying to do to me? To open or not to open. They should stamp; "A Different Surprise IC In Every Box!" on the cardboard they come in now. I honestly don't think my 2700k will even do the 2400Mhz though. Anyone need two more sets sealed?...........................Thanks
Hotrodsun; Did you get yours from the "EDISON, NJ" warehouse?
Mine came from Baldwin Park, CA. and they also came in blister packs, not cardboard. Yes reefa both label "1500" and one set was single sided and the other was double sided.
Edit: the doubles where manufactured in May 2012 and the singles in June 2012. Might to have start going by the date.
my samsung double sided 2600C10 are labeled 1500.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Thanks...that's good info.Quote:
Edit: the doubles where manufactured in May 2012 and the singles in June 2012. Might to have start going by the date.
Mine has a date stamp of "July 2012" on my boxes. What is the bet if they are double or single sided? I say single still. Thanks
Hotrodsun; How good does the double sided clock compare to the single sided kits?
Must be either a late Friday or early Monday morning switch out for G.skill.Quote:
Edit: the doubles where manufactured in May 2012 and the singles in June 2012. Might to have start going by the date.
To be truthful, didn't even mess with them. Put them in to make sure they worked right back into the package. Probably going to sell them soon. Got a bunch or ram to offload. Didnt even play with the double sided all that much. imc isnt all that strong. Since I dont have and Ivy Bridge probably was a waste to buy these. I have a 2500k that the IMC tops out around 1150mhz. I probably would have been just fine sticking with the pair of samsung ULV that I have. I do admit these do have better timing for the voltage. 9-10-11-21 2t at 1.55v bios, 1.57v with volt meter (1066mhz). plus they look at lot cooler and they match my maximus IV.Quote:
Originally Posted by KILLER_K
I have a set dated May 2012 and it is double sided. I do however have a problem getting the set stable at stock DDR 2400 with stated timings. My system is Maximus V Gene with a 3570K IB at 4.6ghz on custom air cooling. I'm not sure if it may be some sub timings that need to be changed, but I've tried various settings without much success. When I boot up at DDR 2400 Windows 7 64bit would boot up very slow and try to reinstall all of my drivers without much success as it would mostly end up in a blue screen and me having to take the memory speed down and restore Windows to a previous date.
Any ideas what I could do to get the memory to run stock? At present I'm running 2200 with 10 11 11 31 timings and it seems to work.
Double-sided what? Samsung, or Hynix? What are the 5th - 8th digits of the serial number? Also check out post #19 here and see if you can identify the chips from the info here.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...B-1.5V-Ram-Kit
Another question is have you run any memory with this CPU/mobo combo in excess of 2400? May not be the ram, but instead the CPU's IMC that's holding you back.
Pretty sure it's double sided Samsung. Hynix chips have higher density so 4GB Hynix sticks will always be single sided afaik.
Anyone tried seeing how low they can get timings on this kit with 1.6-1.65v @ 1866?
Not always. I've got 17000CL9D-8GBXM which has Hynix CFR and it's double-sided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Look under the heatspreader.
Hynix
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9754/cfrf.jpg
Samsung
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/529/ss30nm.jpg
I was thinking that it was the other way around, anything using Hynix BFR or CFR H9C ( H5TQ2G83BFR and H5TQ2G83CFR, respectively) will always be double-sided, it is the Samsung based stuff that could be either double-sided HCH9 (K4B2G0846D), or single-sided something else (Don_Dan suggested perhaps K4B4G0846B in his post #129 in this thread http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...-Preview/page6).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
I was thinking that 8GB Hynix is double sided (16x512) and 4GB is just single sided (8x512) but i have never owned Hynix so i'm not 100% sure. I thought Hynix chips only came in 512MB flavour? I know Samsung makes 256MB HCH9 chips so 4GB sticks should be double sided then.
Both Hynix and Samsung have 2Gb and 4Gb ICs that could be used in these kits:
2Gb ICs ( 2GB single sided/ 4GB double sided sticks ):
- Samsung K4B2G0846D-(HCH9/HYK0/etc)
- Hynix H5TQ2G83(BFR/CFR)-(H9C/PBC)
4Gb ICs ( 4GB single sided/ 8GB double sided sticks ):
- Samsung K4B4G0846B-(HCH9/MCH9/MCF7/etc)
- Hynix H5TQ4G83MFR-(H9C/PBC)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
I have the F3-2800C11D-8GTXD kit and it is "double sided" with serial number 5th-8th digits labeled "2400" (July 2012)... using a 10x Hastings Jeweler's loupe I believe the ic to be Samsung? with 3x3 solder beads per ic. My older F3-17000CL9D-8GBXLD kits seem to be BFR? with 4x4 solder beads per ic.Quote:
Originally Posted by AVulgarPicture
I could not really make out the other Samsung/Hynix markings in the profile of the ic as shown in drawings/photo. I don't believe I have a kit with CFR so I'm not sure if those four tiny gold dots are easy to make out in proflie view? Anyone think or know if CFR can be binned that high?
I don't think CFR can do 1400MHz C11 with 1.65v but I could be wrong.
I've never seen CFR binned for those speeds, 2666 is the max I've seen. TeamGroup is using Samsung 2Gb D-rev for their 2800 kit, I think this is what's used on G.Skill's kit as well. I think you're right about your XLD kit, I've seen one in a review and it was Hynix BFR, if your kit is from 2011 and marked 0240 it should be BFR.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolRoger
I don't think so, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
In his review of the 2x4GB GEIL EVO Veloce DDR3-2133, posted on Overclockers, Woomack reached 1400MHz C11 on these CFR based modules, however, voltage was much higher at 1.775v. He also hit 1300MHz CL11 @ 1.65v. I was personally surprised and impressed by those results on CFR (H5TQ2G83CFR). I'm pretty sure that's the best results for CFR that I've seen.
http://www.overclockers.com/geil-evo...133-c10-review
Well, Samsung D-die chips don't always look like that, see my Sammy D-die BHC9 chips:Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
Thanks for the info... Yes my two XLD kits are from 2011 and both are marked "0240".Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
Hello,
My kit xxxx1500xxxx 2400
I see that in the chips out HCH9. seen under the microscope
Tomorrow proof that he has such.
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From Don_Dan's post #230
Can you make out the K4B4G0846B? Would be nice to be able to confirm what's in the "1500"s.Quote:
4Gb ICs ( 4GB single sided/ 8GB double sided sticks ):
- Samsung K4B4G0846B-(HCH9/MCH9/MCF7/etc)
These are the single-sided, right?
I have 2 kits, and are double sided chip samsung K4B4G0846BQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
xxxx1500xxxx
Would yours be 2x8GB kits?
2x4gb kit
I just got a kit of 4x8GB, xxxx1500xxxx. Produced june 2012.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
Quote:
Originally Posted by [DRACO]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
I'm confused...if yours are the K4B4G0846B and are double-sided, then per the info in Don_Dan's post, wouldn't that make an 8GB module? Are you sure that they aren't the K4B2G0846D ICs, instead? Those would be the ones used to make a double-sided 4GB module, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by [DRACO]
Sorry for the misunderstanding, but do not quite understand what you mean.
It may be that the numbers of reports are not the same as you say.
Today came another module trident x 2x8gb xxxx1500xxxx june 2012 Double sided
Also testing two 2x4gb kits xxxx1500xxxx verified June 2012 chip samsung HCH9 double sided
As Don_Dan pointed out, HCH9 can be both K4B2G0846D, which would be used in a double-sided 4GB module, and K4B4G0846B, which is probably what is being used in the single-sided Trident 2400 4GB modules and perhaps also in the double-sided 8GB modules.Quote:
Sorry for the misunderstanding, but do not quite understand what you mean.
It may be that the numbers of reports are not the same as you say.
Today came another module trident x 2x8gb xxxx1500xxxx june 2012 Double sided
Also testing two 2x4gb kits xxxx1500xxxx verified June 2012 chip samsung HCH9 double sided
Sorry that I wasn't clear in my request...I was simply asking you to verify whether your HCH9 chips were the "2G", or the "4G" variant. That of course requires you being able to read the rest of the numbering on the chips besides the HCH9, which is why I asked this question in an earlier post...
In hindsight, I really should have just asked if you could make out the rest of the numbering on the chip, besides the HCH9, and if so, what was it. Would have been less confusing. Sorry about that.Quote:
Can you make out the K4B4G0846B? Would be nice to be able to confirm what's in the "1500"s.
One more question...where are you buying these double-sided 1500s from? Newegg, or elsewhere?
I have trouble passing 32m at 2600 CL10. Use 1,8vt
Testing pass ok 2400 cl9 1,72vt
Testing pass ok 2400 cl10 1,57vt
Someone has been stable from 2600 CL10?
Draco, could you test it at 6-6-6 or 6-7-6 with Command Rate 1T & 2T?
My kit (xxxx1500) works @ 832 MHz 6-6-6 1,75 V:
http://forum.pccentre.pl/uploads/med...138_116054.png
If you want to run such timings you'd better get yourself some ram with elpida Hyper chips. This ram was designed for high speed/ relaxed timings.
I just want to compare results. This is kit was sent to review.
I was thinking that Samsungs likes tRCD & tRP higher than tCL. But this kit clocks identical at 6-7-7 and 6-6-6 (same for 7-7-7 and 7-8-8) and this looks a bit strange for me.
Modules are single-sided (2 x 4 GB).
Sorry bro, but I sold HCH9 modules.
But if I tested 1.84vt 2600 10-13-12-32 pass 32m
Regards
Today I bought a 2x4GB kit with code xxxx1500xxx
chips HCH9
I have a asrock fatal1ty Z77 but I can not any overclock
I've tried it in 2600 with 11-13-13-35 1.8V and nothing.
I picked up a kit that will be very bad or it me missing something.
Double-sided or single-sided?
Double-sided
That's odd, they should be able to do 2600 C11 easily. VCCIO? VCCSA?
i also thought so
Vtt - I've been to 1.3V
VcSSa - 1.2V
and yet nothing
problem is the bios?
already tested several. and everything is equal
gives a debug error code 23 so step up from 2400
What's your production date code?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darknight
Code 23 means memcontroller can't take it.
I remember the original post had these as double-sided Hynix; Corsair has a pretty cheap 4x4GB kit with the same speed/timings as these without the IC lottery: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233352
after long time some few benchmarks with this cheap 2400 MHz kit:)
http://i.imgur.com/Z74nM.jpg
So, superpi 1M 2800 MHz :-)
http://i.imgur.com/3qywM.jpg
http://youtu.be/ZQSfjHsq1GA
Hyperpi stable settings (aircooled CPU+RAM stock), vdram 1.7V
http://i.imgur.com/qRUQE.jpg
Hey mate,they run pretty good.Are they capable of 2600 10-12-12 S-pi 32M? Or 2400 9-11-11?If so they do have some good value.
You need Samsungs for that, Flankers kit seems pretty Hynix too me.... If they react the same as the Kingston Predators 2400Mhz kit, then 2600MHz is where it all tends to stop for 32M or HCI Memtest stability.
Issue with all these kits is that tend to use diferent ICs from time to time. Making buying these via an online shop more of a wild gamble... just run these 1T at 11-13-11 and enjoy the best price/performance...
yes, looks for Hynix,doublesided. Now I have again AMD nehcntable system,a fter I can try it, if it run capable 2600 superpi (I think, 11-13-13 is possible)
What serial number Flank3r? The serial gives away the chips used if you're smart enough to decipher their serails nowadays. ;)
What do you think Zeus?:)
http://i.imgur.com/NKj9k.jpg
I think, its Hynix
No mate, xxxx1500xxxxxx is Samsung. Try harder! :)
What's really confusing / annoying about the new numbering scheme that GSkill is using is that even if you have the 5th thru 8th digits info (1500), you can still get single-sided (like I did), or double-sided like these (which are better). Those Trident X DDR3-2400 modules, in particular, certainly are a gamble these days.
Im confused, because If I look at chips from side view, this is not 100% Samsung...My first kit was single sided Samsung, this "new" one has different contacts from side view and is it doublesided. WTF?:( Is there at XS some memory chips quide?
gskill is obviously playing mind tricks with us...
mine xxxx1500xx is samsung HCH9
Most samsung HCH9 19200 is @ 10-12-12 or 9-11-11
Also could be 10-11-11 or 11-11-11.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Open them and show us the inside :)
just got these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...Desktop-Memory
G.SKILL Trident X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 (PC3 19200) Desktop Memory Model F3-2400C10D-8GTX
havent tested yet
but i can confirm they are single sided and serial xxxx15000xxxxx
so definitely samsung
Yeah, most of us got single-sided Samsung xxxx1500 sticks but it seems a few double-sided Samsung kits with the same serial pop up every now and then.
Don't they all look like this? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Attachment 130676
Got this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...Desktop-Memory
Scale to 2550 and thats max.
Imo, 2400 cas9 kits will have better odd to go 2600+
I've been curious about those Mushkin 2400s for a while. Came close to pulling the trigger on them more than once, but I kept having doubts, especially after receiving the GSkill single-sided Tridents X "1500s", so I always passed. Those Mushkin seem to max out about the same, and come with pretty much the same timings at the same clocks. So, are they single, or double sided?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
If you had to guess (based on your testing), which ICs do you think that they have under the spreaders?
Double sided samsung either hch9 or something newer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Imo, its not worth the time unless cpu's imc can't scale to 2600+
Mushkin usually uses Hynix, from the clocks you got I'm guessing they're about the same bin as the CFR in HyperX Predator 2400 C11 that can't crack 2600.
Flank3r, just try to boot at 2400 10-11-10. If it boots, it's Hynix. No boot> Samsung.
edit: Let me take that back. :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
lol, with the same serail part I have double sided...
PS: Zeus - no boot at 10-11-10 and not at 10-12-10 :-(...(now with AMD system)
Some are sort of readable :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
I would try to boot with these at C11-13-11, iso tightening tRCD and CAS... my Hynix kit's don't like tighter CAS... if ithey allow very tight tRAS: good SamsungQuote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Here's my review: G.Skill TridentX 2400 MHz CL10 2 x 4 GB. Translated to english by google.
Serial no. xxxx1500 (single sided):
http://forum.pccentre.pl/uploads/med...138_142745.jpg
Results (HyperPi 32M stable) on FM1 (A8-3850 + ASRock A75 Extreme6):
* 832 MHz 6-6-6 1T 1,75 V,
* 960 MHz 7-7-7 1T 1,75 V,
* 1045 MHz 8-8-8 1T 1,65 V (need tRCD/tRP @ 10T for higher clocks),
* 1082 MHz 8-10-10 1T 1,75 V,
* 1185 MHz 9-11-11 1T 1,75 V,
* 1269 MHz 10-12-12 1T 1,65 V - max clocks.
Higher timings than 10-12-12 doesn't help. :/
"Server not found."Quote:
Translated to english.
Also, single, or double sided "1500s"?
Link corrected.
They are single sided.
For all that cant pass 25xxMhz, have you "PLL enabled" ?
I couldnt pass that mark, no boot at 2600mhz or higher.
Only after enabled PLL i could get 2600mhz, 2660mhz, 2800mhz on P67 M4E :D
Using some Hynix CFR 2799mhz 11-14-13-26 1T or 2802Mhz need 11-15-13-26 1T with 1,875v Dram
Trying for more Mhz after that.
It was tested on FM1, there's no such option. ;)
Motherboard and CPU is able to run memory @ 1306 MHz (9,33 * 140). :)
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/...y/DSCN0662.jpg
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/...y/DSCN0662.jpg
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/...mhzsuccess.jpg
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/...mhzsuccess.jpg
single sided xxxx15000
booted at 1252 10-12-12-31-46-2T @1.65v but wasn't very stable...
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/...500mhzwhat.jpg
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/...500mhzwhat.jpg
happy i got them working on AMD even at stock settings so ill be testing more. but judging by the price drops on these i wouldn't expect anything great out of these kits anymore.
what should tRC be? also these can do 1T?
http://i.imgur.com/g0D49.png
you right Zeus, looks for Samsung (srry for my sh*ty paint), today morning I had better light in room :)
Hey guys, I bought a set of these a few days ago and tried them on my sandy bridge system. The IMC on my chip is kinda weak and I couldn't boot in to 2400MHz off the bat. I dropped it to 2133MHz and managed 8-9-10-15 1T out of these sticks! Very odd timings for sure (must be samsung). I was using 1.7 volts. They were prime 95 and superpi 32m stable. I'm going to continue messing with them on the sandy bridge rig then try them in my FM2 system.
These sticks rated speeds are not for SB, but for Ivy... 2250-2275MHz or so is a good SB IMC. 2400MHz is not gonna happen on Sandy...
I would run them at your current settings, maybe even 8-10-10-15 1T at 1.65Vdimm for 24/7 usage
Exactly.the best imc for classic cooling method has Ib,specially 3770k.2400 is possible with fx and Trinity too,sometimes sb-e
Try tRC 50T. Maybe a bit higher CPU-NB voltage (1,3 - 1,35 V) will help?Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
I had them up to 2260MHz using 106 blck with 9-11-11-20 1T timings. Not too shabby for cheap dimms and medicore 2500K.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Looks like the G.Skill IC lottery continues. I had to RMA my CFR-based RipjawsZ 2133C9 4x4GB kit, my replacement is xxxx1500 Samsung. At least they aren't single-sided.
Attachment 130734
Probably not HCH9 but HYK0?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
I wondered about that myself, since HYK0 has already shown up in some GSkill modules (G.Skill Trident-X 2600C10-8GB with same Aug 2012 Mfg date).Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
The review sample of F3-2400C10D-8GTX (SN: xxxx1500xxxxxx) I recieved have 8 ICs per side of the PCB and are good e. g. for P95/Blend at 1200 MHz with 11-11-11-33 and 1.50 V, but are not suitable for 10-11-10-33 at this lowered voltage.
It's HCH9. I took a peek under the heatspreader.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Earlier dated post from another thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
Any possible connection between the above post and the RMA request??? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
Well 1.85v isnt enough to convince my RipjawsZ 2133C9 kit to do 9-11-10 at 1200 mhz lol
By the way, glad to hear that you got HCH9. Certainly more upside potential with those, then again it appears that GSkill is binning the heck out of those Samsung chips to get the high end stuff so maybe not.