Got my second kit today direct from crucial.com. Came in 2 days from order and now have 16Gb at 7-7-7-21 :D
Need something to really test it out now
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Got my second kit today direct from crucial.com. Came in 2 days from order and now have 16Gb at 7-7-7-21 :D
Need something to really test it out now
motherboard or IMC seems to give me headache, but, swapping in the upcoming week :)
DDR3-1866 8-8-8-24 1T seems to be what they like...
DDR3-1866 7-7-7-24 1T was possible for 32M, but.... With 1.86v
Tested in a chassie, not on bench table.. Just light testing... I cant get 2133 bootable, I think it is the mobo...
DDR3-1866 8-8-8-24 1T at 1.6v isnt a problem...
All tests have been performed with a Corsair 2x 60mm ram cooler at 2.7v
Hope so! Tried both pairs of slots? Noticed most people need to run 2T on intel using 21.33x, that may be worth a shot. No post sounds like rtl/twr/wcl is wrong though and im guessing you cant adjust those on that board?
16GB now, 2000 9-9-9 1.575V. Just put it together and haven't tried anything else yet.
Got the CPU up to 4766Mhz 1.38V so far as well now that I have a real loop.
Attachment 125354
Wonderful!
Any idea if these kits are any good on X58 ?
I have a Gigabyte X58UD3R Rev 1.6 thinking of getting 4 of these http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...G3D1869DT2TXOB
4gb 1866 1.5v kits .... wonder if they will play nice with my setup or i have to look at 1.65v stuff.
Latest config:
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/...XCrucial-2.jpg
1087MHz (DDR3-2174) 9-9-9-24-33 2T 110ns 1.65V
http://i.imgur.com/I9YY5l.png
1104MHz (DDR3-2208) 9-9-9-24-32 2T 110ns 1.67V
http://i.imgur.com/LA8nXl.png
Click for full res.
*Note: Not sure what's the real vdimm, I have soldered a wire for vCore only. Might be more, might be less.
Impressive results! Grats mate!
Strange that loosening tRC didn't helped me, but just vDIMM. And like all Micron they scale pretty well with voltage, probably could do 2240 - 2250 with 1.7V if the scaling is still linear.
I got a bit over 2300Mhz a few pages back with 1.7v.
Picked up a CHV and a second 8120 to toy with at MC tonight. Probably mess around with it in a few days or a week or so.
Trying out the Ballistix Elite 1866 kit on the M5G. 2200mhz fairly tight timings, latency boundary 5.
Wow, nice. Voltage? Some Prime action?
Prime is more IMC than memory. 32m shows the memory/board is 100% stable given a decent IMC :).
Nice btw dude! Done any testing with 4 dimms? Id love to see if this T-Topology thing is all Asus are making it out to be...
Not at all. 32m is neither a great overall stability test, it tells just few about the overall memory subsystem stability. You can complete 32m and not pass 3 minutes Prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by PiLsY
Not with current intel chips. Dont forget vdimm and vccio affect imc as well. On SB and probably IB as well if you can pass 32m but not prime its due to imc voltage requirement and not memory.
You will see this if you have multiple cpu as each will require different vdimm/vccio for full prime stability but all will pass 32m with the same minimum vdimm :).
Sometimes you can hit the maxmimum memory oc before the imc max ofcourse in which case what you describe can happen. Only likely to happen with old/budget memory kits or golden imc :).
Latency boundary 5? What is that? I have been trying without luck to reach 2200 no matter timings/volts on my M4E. Do you change any subtimings? Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Nub
*EDIT: Found out what was wrong about 2200. Rams would not like 9-9-9-27 timings at no speed more than 2133 (45 lcd error code), but runs good at 9-9-9-24. They are weird.
I believe it is a Z77 specific timing that is not found on the M4E.Quote:
Originally Posted by FedericoUY
^
Yes it is specific to z77. This board does really well with memory.
Havent tried 4 dimms yet. I was just trying to see the difference in 32m times using different memory multipliers. At 2200 tight timings 9-9-8, I lose about 1 second exactly to 2600mhz 10-12-12, cpu at 5.4.
I cant seem to get much higher with this kit. For 2600 I used the samsungs and the GSkill ripjaws.
tell me about it I just plugged in, some 2133 8-9-8 BBSE and they booted 2400 8-10-8-28 at 1.68v:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Nub
Seems like the best mix is 2600-2800 with decent timings on air, instead of 3000+ with slack secondary and tertiary timings.
Cold on the memory seems to do wonders on this platform which is why all the older high speed kits are flying with moar voltage i.e. PSC & BBSE
Thank you loud and ocnub for the response. What voltage do you need for 2133 and 2200 @ 9-9-9 on this kit?
2100 9-9-9 usually 1.55 for stable, 2200 1.6v, at least for mine. Havent really gotten time yet to find the lowest stable voltages and timings yet though. My new OC puts me at 2k daily, so Im working with 9-9-9 at low voltage, or 8-8-8 with 1.6ish.Quote:
Originally Posted by FedericoUY
Trying 4x4gb now, same timings.
What vdimm are you using?
For LB5 it needed 1.72v, it may need less if I tweak the other voltages. Using LB8 now at 1.64v, ranges go from 1-14, default for the profile Im using is 12, which probably needs less vdimm. Ive been trying to get Latency Boundary as low as possible, but anything below 5 refuses to boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil
Sounds a lot like performance level from older platforms.
OT: How do you think Ivy compares to Sandy with SS?
Ivy needs a LOT more cold to get the maximum mhz, I am maxed at 5.5 for any benching on IB. I used chilled water for SB, you could pretty much max out the chip with just a decent water setup.
Not sure I want to try colder, maybe dry ice, but I hate to have to buy a dewar.
You can see a big difference in the Cache and Memory bench in AIDA64 by lowering the LB setting, I guess maybe it is kind of like PL. I saved a few screens but Im back on my laptop now.
Spotted something, bought a kit of ram, hoping it was Samsung IC.... PC12800 CL11 1.5v Trendscend JETram, same IC... Micron D9PFJ.
Tested yet ???? :D
Will do soon, but my board at hand is really useless for testing.... I dont believe the Ivy IMC is THAT weak as what I hit now... Motherboard MIGHT be here tomorrow....Quote:
Originally Posted by felix_w
Might be next week..
I got a none OC board at hand :(
GA-Z77MX-D3H
I really wish I could stand strong, and with a lifted voice say "what a bargain" about those Transcend JETram with same IC... But the thing is, they are the worst DDR3 sticks I've ever tried.... They replaced Vengeance on being most useless sticks..
Holy smokes batman! Put the 2x2 Ballistix in, set to 10-10-10-30-3T with 1.75V just to see if it would at least post 2400Mhz, and it does :banana:
Spi1m passed, but 4m failed. Changed timings to 10-12-12-28-2T and lowered Vdimm to 1.7V and it passed 4m. About to start 32m.
Attachment 127068
Attachment 127069
2x4GB Smart Tracer kit at 2400Mhz 10-10-10
Attachment 127301
^ Much better timings! My Ballistix Elite will not boot at 2400 10-10-10
What vdimm? I was using 1.75v.
this kits i bought 2 of the elite are the worst i ever hard they where stable on hour then no more then yes horrible
i sold them both even my patriots (see my thread) do magic for 58 dollars
I have four of the 2x4GB Smart Tracer 1866s, and a set of the 2x2GB Elites, and a friend of mine has three kits of the 2x4GB Smart Tracer 1866s. Every single one of them will do 2200Mhz 9-9-9 stable on AMD, and 2133Mhz on Intel (because of tRC).Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
All of mine will do 2400Mhz 10-10-10 for Spi 1m as well. The 30nm Samsungs I got wont do 2400Mhz if their life depended on it, and best they do for me is 2275Mhz 10-11-11.
Mine (Tactical 1866) do 2200 9-9-9 stable (probably could do more) on Bulldozer and 2000 8-8-8 on Thuban.
I bought two of the Tactical 2x4GB 1600 C9 kits, haven't installed them yet but just curious what I can reasonably expect with a 3820 and Asus P9X79 WS.
2133-2200 9-9-9 @ 1.6x, 1866 8-8-8 @ 1.5x. Some people reported problems of stability with some Intel platforms. You'll need some luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
4x4gb Tactical Tracer BLT2CP4G3D1869DT2TXRGCEU @2200 9-9-9-21-107 1.625v
http://www.abload.de/img/unbenanntr6fzn.jpg
works fine for me ;)
stable since 10 weeks.
not tested 2400 yet.
regards ice
What would you guys recommend for a safe 24/7 voltage? Im running around 1.65v to 1.67v with motherboard overvolt. Thanks, Adam
I have decided to buy Crucial memory kit, what I can see from their website they have Elite, Sport, Tracer and Tactical. What is the difference between these? Is PC1600 or PC1866 kits to prefer? Doesn't seem to be to big price difference.
The Elite has big black heatspreaders guess it out be the top of the line, the Sport bottom rung, Tracer or Smart Tracer i believe the older 1.65v stuff. and the Tactical Tracer is the the new 1.5v with the leds. Smart Tracer has leds also. I have 4x4gb of the 1600 Tactical Tracer running 2000mhz@1.65v timing is 9-9-9-27-2T but i am still working on that. But i am running a Amd 1100t and I dont feel my imc is all that strong. I think most of the new 1.5v stuff overclocks about the same, with the exception of the Sport. But I have only tested my current 4 sticks. Hope this helps, Adam
So if i understand it right I would have best luck most likely with the Elite, Smart Tracer or Tactical Tracer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotrodsun
Is PC1866 Mhz modules to prefer before PC1600 modules or will they perform similar?
I would say the smart or the tactical, the PC1866 I would figured be binned a bit better. Maybe someone else while chime in with a recommendation also.
These sticks are pretty fun to play with for sub-1200MHz clocking with tight timings. I have two of the Ballistix Tactical DDR3-1600 C8 2x4GB kits that were about $37 each on sale a Fry's a few weeks back.
Attachment 128214
Not sure if it's been posted, but don't expect the tracer to light up on x79. They don't work - get the ones with the tall heatsink. I bought the 4xddr3-1866 4gb tactical tracers and am happy with them. I popped them in and keyed in 2133 9-9-9-27-1T-1.69V. One day I'll see what else I can do with them. It kills me that the lights and probe doesn't work though.
You just have a defective set. Out of the four kits I have, I got one that wouldnt light up. If you got them from newegg, they will take them back and refund or exchange. If not, Crucial will exchange them hassle free.Quote:
Originally Posted by meanmoe
Yours lights up on x79?
There's also this: http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Ballisti...X79/td-p/89812
I would've returned them, but I would hate to get a lesser performing kit. And I did buy them on newegg.
I dont have X79, but I did have a set that wouldnt light up. I didnt think a single platform wouldnt light up, doesnt really make sense to me, but it looks like it. Do you have any other boards to try them on?Quote:
Originally Posted by meanmoe
I have a few other machines to try them on but none which would be convenient. I actually read an article on OCN after your post where a guy said that they could be configured on another machine and then swapped over to the x79 platform. When I have the time to spare I'll give this a go and report back. If anyone else has done this with success, I'd appreciate the confirmation before I go to the trouble.
Did yours light up out of the package or did you have to configure them first with the mod utility?
All of mine lit up out of the package, except the one kit that didnt light up.
I have asus p8p67 pro and 3770k
And two kits of these new tactical d9pfj
They behave very strange though..
I can do 1866 8-8-8-27-1T 1.575v very easy with 4x4GB
1600 6-6-6-18 1.600v very easy and bomb stable
2000 9-9-9 1.6
2000 8-8-8-27-2T 1.65v
But everything above is unstable
Even relaxing as 10-10-10 or 11-11-11 doesnt help
Voltage doesnt help
I can boot 2133 and 2200 with 9-9-9 1.65v but its spi32m unstable
Does it have some known issues with my board?
I tried single,dual and quad mode too...the same result...
What kind of memory controller voltage are you giving?
tried from stock upto 1.15
Well, maybe try a Z77 board instead? P67 + Ivy probably isn't the best option for overclocking and most P67 boards were tuned for Sandy which maxed at ~2133-2250 for most users.
Try 9-9-9-24 relaxing TRRD by 1 or 2 for 2133, then you tell us..Quote:
Originally Posted by westsider
some ppl got lucky with this kits, not my experience...i bought 2 and 1 passed memtest perfect at 2000 CL9 then the other day not and i got tired of them, the other had a bad stick...Quote:
Originally Posted by westsider
*agree with Beep you runing an IVY on a P67, on a Z77 its your best bet
BTW, if anyone wants to try these out, the Ballistix Tactical (the orange/goldish ones) are currently on sale at Fry's for $40, plus $4 shipping.
Crucial Ballistix Tactical 8GB (2x4GB) 1866MHz DDR3 240-Pin UDIMM Memory, Model BLT2CP4G3D1869DT1TX0
http://www.frys.com/product/7147542;...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG
that's cheap! one of the best memory I've tested.
That's a great price, the same kit costs 65€ in Germany, you guys in the US are really lucky. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Looks like they have sold out, as it is currently showing as "Unavailable".
if i was looking at a kit of these from newegg, is there a difference between the IC's on these three kits?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148560
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148554
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148555
? seem to be very close to the same price, and rated speeds.
The first kit, of course, is the regular Ballistix and the last two are the Tracers and they are the same except for the color of the lights. If I recall correctly, the ones ending in RG are red and green lights, the ones ending in OB are orange and blue lights (Go GATORS!). :)
I think that they all sport the same IC (D9PFJ - see post #125 in this thread).
All of those 3 are the same IC. Those Tracers are nice too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
P.S. If Crucial use Hynix or Samsung ICs in their Ballistix Tracers then I wouldn't go for G.Skill Trident X ;)
i already have samsung, hynix and psc. :) just after the cheapest D9PFJ's then i guess.
There were also some of the Kingston LoVo(s) @ 1.35v sporting the Micron chips, but not too long ago a member posted pics of his LoVo showing Hynix CFR ICs, so I don't know that you can count on the newer ones being D9PFJ. Best bet would be to stick to the Crucial branded modules.
I will be a very nice guy and share my Crucial tertiary timings...
They are magical, I've tried every possible combination and that's the best for stability and high clock.
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/...ucialsandy.jpg
can you get this kit in AU? they look really nice.
Has Crucial switched to Samsung ICs, or have the Micron low power chips gone OVER 9000?!?! http://www.thinkcomputers.org/crucia...-kit-review/3/
Are you sure it's not Micron? He didn't even show 1M at 1200MHz, only bandwidth tests and a screenshot. If I'm not mistaken I remember seeing 1200MHz CL10 in this thread.
Did you try booting yours at higher CL values?
I was very unlucky with 2 of this kits i bought 2 from the egg, one was dead and the other was a hell to make it stable, its a pitty i dont have it anymore to try on Z77
I don't know all I've tried worked fine in every system, but most I have to config it manually above 1866mhz.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
They seems to be 100% stable and a tiny change make them 100% unstable. pretty hard to config
that is trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r
The non ballistix line now has 1.35v 1600mhz c11 parts in 8gb sticks. Will be picking some up at the end of the month to test, its uber cheap @ £57 delivered for 2x8gb (slightly less than 2x4gb Ballistix!). I cant see how these use anything other than the same chips (outside bet samsung HYK0), but we shall see!
I believe that you will get D9PCP ICs on the 8GB modules. The pic below is from a For Sale thread that I saw about two months ago (note the date on the paper).Quote:
Originally Posted by PiLsY
In addition, here is a link to a review of a kit of GSkills that were using these ICs.
http://aphnetworks.com/reviews/g_ski..._16gab_2x8gb/2
Yes, these chips are strange. They usually fail in the 3 - 10% range memtest hci. If I pass that, then the 100% stability is almost guaranteed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r
Are they the 1.5v or 1.35v sticks though? I was under the impression that the 1.35v sticks were a lot newer than that as they only appeared on the uk crucial site a matter of weeks ago, not months. Could just be the two months lag it takes to cross the pond though! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
I'm guilty of not paying enough attention to the details...sorry about that. Those sticks you linked are not only 1.35v, but also DDR3-1600, instead of 1.5v and DDR3-1333 so I was way off on several counts. It will be interesting to see what you get and hope you will share once you receive them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PiLsY
Tbh all im hoping for is some sticks that will tolerate 1.7+. My 3770k IMC wants minimum 1.7v to even post at 2400mhz (vccsa 1v, vccio 1.1v) and 1.68v (vccsa 0.975, vccio 1.05v) for cas9 @ 2200mhz. The samsung HYKO 1209's ive got are utterly useless as that low profile pcb will just fry over time above 1.6v, and my Hynix sticks appear to suck hard at anything except cas 10 2200mhz.
I was all set to get a kit of 2x4gb Avexir 2666mhz C11, but id much rather get the Crucial 2 x 8gb kit at basically half the price. Half of that is the chance the Crucials could be really good for the price, the other half is not wanting to face the disappoinment if my cpu wants even crazier voltages to post at 2666 compared to 2400 (highly likely)!
Looking forward to finding out which chips are being used on those modules and, of course, how well they overclock for you.
The set you ordered is currently available from Crucial on their US site for around $75 (forgot exactly), but the egg only lists the 1333 kit that I pictured above. They do not show your kit at all.
4GB/stick Ballistix stuff is D9 PFJ...peeps say it's double sided but the density of the ICs should allow 8GB sticks double sided :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
yep that's strange but it's valid for the HYK0 also, why it's 30nm /512mb density but 4GB sticks are double sided?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer 4G 1866 9-9-9-27 1.5V (Double sided)
http://upic.me/i/ph/p1010795.jpg
http://upic.me/i/bq/p1010797.jpg
Micron D9QMS (Not D9PFJ)
http://upic.me/i/pp/p1010791.jpg
Can OC @ 2200 9-9-9-27 1.65V & 2400 9-10-10-27 1.65V
http://upic.me/i/oi/220099927.jpg
http://upic.me/i/in/24009101027.jpg
^^"
Dang even the most cherry picked Hynix BFR couldn't do timings that tight at 1200MHz!
ihog6hog,Quote:
Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer 4G 1866 9-9-9-27 1.5V (Double sided)
Very nice timings for those clocks.
If you don't mind sharing, when and where did you get these modules?
You can buy @ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148552Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Yes, I found them at the egg prior to my last post, however, I don't know if the egg's inventory is old stock, with D9PFJ, or new stock with perhaps the same D9QMS that you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by ihog6hog
That is why I asked when and where you got yours.
Wow,will they run@1T?
Also what do you think of this kit,same chips?
http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballis...llistix+tracer
Are you sure about this? As far as I know D9PFJ is MT41K256M8DA-125 in Micron's full part number. If you look it up you can see it's a 2Gb IC. ( Just like the D9QMS ihog6hog has posted above. )Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
The full name of "HYK0" is K4B2G0846D HYK0, so it's a 2Gb IC as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r
D9qms seems very nice,how can i seek for that chips,seek for tx0b part number?
I couldn't find D9QMS on Micron's site.
Link to FBGA DecoderQuote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
http://www.micron.com/products/support/fbga?fbga=D9QMS
Yields this:
D9QMS = MT41K256M8DA-15E:K
But that's all I can find.
When I search the full parts number, I don't find D9QMS, although it does appear to be a CL9 1333 part. I'm sure that there is somebody out there that can navigate thru their site better than I can.
I couldn't find any more info either. :shrug:
Well, I'm disappointed, as you were one of those that I had in mind when I made that last post. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
ihog6hog maybe you could provide us more results since you teased with those screens :D ?
I'm very sorry that I disappointed you! :( ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Maybe they'll update this page later on.
For D9PFJ it's the same, you can switch from ...:M to ...:K with the drop-down menu on the top ( see here ).
As far as I know ":M" or ":K" added to the part number refers to the die revision.