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i have an XT but i really like the flow for EK HF
Can you specify on which block you cannot put put 1/2" compression fittings? I am confused...Quote:
Originally Posted by justin.kerr
Would not be enough difference to matter, and the plating protects the copper/ looks cool:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spinzaku
As far as the red acylic tops, looks nice, but I prefer POM, or copper plated.
Long term durability, and better looking IMO.
@justin.kerr: I used bitspower 7/16 compressions and 2 fit fine on the hf, (if that's the block you're speaking of).
2 7/16's don't fit on the xt.
My block just arrived and I got two Feser 3/4" OD compressions on the Supreme HF plexi, I doubt the spacing is any different on the HF CU.
I was also surprised to see that the top is noticeably thicker than that of my Acetal Supreme (non-HF). Is this just because it's plexi or was was it done to increase the rigidity of the top over that of the original Supreme top?
I wonder whether Vapor will be able to show a real performance difference (as in more than 0.5°C) between the standard and the copper tops on the Supreme HF... I was gonna get the Cu but I like the looks of the plexi version much better and finally ordered that one then.
sorry for not being clear, here is the original HF, and the new CU HFQuote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
CU will not fit.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...0/DSC_0293.jpg
I love this block, but people with cases that dont have a hole cutout for the backplate on their mobo tray might have issues. I've got a Cosmos S and the metal holding plate was shorting the whole thing out, so a slight mod was needed. (hope you guys understand what i mean!)
Just a heads up.
I really thought the spacing would be the same... good thing I decided not to get the CU then, since my goal was to use compressions without angles :)Quote:
Originally Posted by justin.kerr
Should I suppose the performance would be the same between the Cu edition and the original HF?
I mean, the different hole position does not change the flow path, right?
As for Nickel vs. Cu vs. Gold vs. Acetal/Delrin....the general expectation is that there's no performance difference (outside of natural variation). It's hard to say for sure without testing, but in my tests (sorry, still haven't published some of the small-fry testing I did for s&g), the Supreme DID benefit by ~.7C from a copper top. My hypothesis is that the bow was improved by the increased structural strength of the metal top vs. delrin. That said, the Supreme HF is the 'tightest' block I've seen to date, so I don't think there's as much to be gained by increasing the structural strength. The change of the inlet doesn't seem like that big of a performance changer since it looks like the inlet chamber is identical.
Plating does add only a few microns of material, but the basic fin/channel structure is already really small and a few microns can (and probably does) have some sort of impact; without testing it's hard to say if it's negligible, negative, or positive. The fact it's an inferior thermal material isn't as much of a concern, IMO. This is a particularly difficult thing to test--you need to test a base, then plate that very same base and retest it for any sort of "what does plating do" data.
As I've said before, Roundup #2 is coming to a close....I have the CPU-360, some of the unpublished data to release, and skinnee just convinced me to throw the Alphacools into Round2 before I wrap it up. Hopefully for Roundup #3, I'll be able to start off with XT vs HF vs HF-Cu vs HK vs CPU-360 vs whatever else might be deserving to be grouped into the elite. :)
I have Cosmos S and I plan to get the CU one, but I don't what slight mod u mean, I really appreciate it if u can share ur experience with me, thx.Quote:
Originally Posted by RacingTurtle
Those full copper blocks .. how do they look after long periods of time without any polishing/cleaning? Or i should go only nickel if i want to go least maintenance route?
Any fingerprint will eventually tarnish and become greenish-black. You can restore the copper shine very easily with common products, still if you want less maintenance nickel is the way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
My HK copper is scratched and looks a little beaten up over time, and isnt the prettiest component in my build as of now. Since most other components are black and silver in mine, with blue board, copper kinds looks old as well. Had I to do over, I would have gotten nickel coated, for aesthetics and durability. But color schemes and preferences differ, and some may be happy to polish. I have the acetal supreme hf, but thinking about trying nickel just for kicks.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
And I echo the nickel being not that important. While it is not practical/easy to try and test nickel coating effects on temps of waterblocks, I can tell you the effect of nickel coating on my cpu. My i950 was flat over middle 3/4 of it, with just subtle concave shape when accounting for extreme periphery. Prior to lapping, I tested several mounts with calibrated flukes/temp probes measuring all intake ambients on rads, water temps, and recording all core temps. Then, I only lapped until nickel was gone, the shape looked exactly same. The temps before lapping and after were exactly same, less than 0.1C difference. Not same as testing on waterblock, as their are many differences, but cant imagine temps being that much different. And if Vapor has tested them, and nickel/copper are within typical slight variability block to block, sounds like performance wise, not relevant any way you look at it.
I have the XTQuote:
Originally Posted by mbreslin
Yes they will, 2-1/2" compressions fit nicely, why wouldn't 7/16".:shrug:
I think he didnt rotate the inlet...Quote:
Originally Posted by the finisher
Copper top is lacked and will not oxidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
What is the diameter of the fitting?Quote:
Originally Posted by justin.kerr
I must have missed that :S
I remember now. I was talking to Shane and he suggested to have holes for the fittings more centric, and missed that. We'll make revision with next series definitely. The fittings must have about 26mm diameter, right?
Looks like fittings for 19mm OD tubes, so they are 27mm OD
I will take one the new version. When the ETA? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Yes, 26 mm :)
will this have any impact on thermal performance ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Please let us know when the new revision is out. I have the Acetal version, but want to get a Cu as well, but don't want to use angle fittings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
New revision... hm... 4-6 weeks.
And no thermal performance difference.
Good to hear, I'll be wait'in for the new rev. Cu top.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Will it be named with showing different revision so to be able to distinquish from old version?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
All I did was to remove the backplate from the mounting - I kept the rubbers and the rubber spacer. As I said if I had kept the whole mechanism it just becomes too big and shorts out against the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by samer_ab79
Thx a lot for the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by RacingTurtle
Has anybody made some improvments on load temps with custom blank metal part?
DO NOT use blank metal part, you might damage pump, burn cpu and so on.
It's only for reason for owner wishing to experiment with cutting his own holes for waterflow in it and only after that it's usable.
I haven't bought this waterblock yet, but somehow i doubt that there is no notice about blank plate in documentation.
Used as is blank plate can fully restrict water flow in loop with all the following niceties like rising temps, pump trying to work without any water movement and so on.
Hence he said 'custom', meaning some form of modification has been made :).Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
Is there a EK-Supreme-HF with the Red Acrylic top like there is for the normal EK-Supreme-Classified because I REALLY like the way that one looks as it will be put on a classified board?
When I got my EK Classified mobo block the dam red acyclic is scratched, otherwise perfect.
Good thing the POM is so dang nice;)
Eddy, how hard to get a unscratched one:confused:
Jep i meant if some of you found a design that is better than the stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandr0s
Scratched? Send us picture on support and will send you new one. Sorry :SQuote:
Originally Posted by the finisher
Hey no problem, just got my D-5 Dual. Very much like.:D
It'll light up nicely, lots of "safe" places to drill LED holes.;)
I guess I'll have to wait. I'm definitely getting the nickel block. It's simple yet beautiful. Now I have to decide if I'm gonna go with black or silver fittings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
someone called it clinker @home (forumdeluxx) :shakes:
I love it anyway (Supreme HF CU nickelplated), even though the top should be polished (:p: Eddy):
http://www.abload.de/img/029z9kj.jpg
Heh, forumdeluxx is good for selling/buying but not much else. The attitudes there and general atmosphere really turn me off to that forum.
LOL scamps,you should change your user name from scamps to "Eddy's teaser" i am sure it will suit you better :rofl:.Sorry couldn't resist commenting on that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by scamps
:rolleyes: no so long ago I was blamed to be a german products fanboy - :confused2 what next? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by seeka12
Just wondering if it is possible to fit 2 45 degree adapters on this block (The CU Version) as it currently is?
I think it is possible,but maybe some owners can help you much more ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkItZo
which 45° should cause a problem? There is plenty of room between the two threads ...Quote:
Originally Posted by SkItZo
Im looking at putting 2 of these http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/bishsi45deg1.html on the block. Considering there isnt enough room for 2 compression fittings, im wondering if there is enough room for 2 of these on the blockQuote:
Originally Posted by scamps
how bout considering thisQuote:
Originally Posted by SkItZo
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/biduro45deco1.html or this
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/bishsiduro45.html
why...???i think is better for ur fitting can be adjusted abit depends on how good will ur tubing do on a bend.:rolleyes:
here's a bit to share although is not the latest EK cpu wateblock but im happy with this..
http://imgur.com/9oSlO.jpg
and this ur the link to my rig
http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/2543.html
absolutely no problem. And which fittings do you have? Not every size and type will cause a problem. HF CU with (small) id 3/8 - od 1/2 fittings (a lot of space left):Quote:
Originally Posted by SkItZo
http://www.abload.de/thumb/05755qy.jpg
And I am pretty sure that the EK-Fittings id 7/16 - od 5/8 will also match (perhaps Eddy could check it)
I was actually planning on using 1/2in. 3/4in. OD Tubing Compression Fittings
I too, am interested on the new naming. Maybe a HK Supreme HF CU+ or something to denote the new revision?Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
Are you actually making a new revision eddy? I e-mailed the EK website directly last night and got an e-mail back from Gregor saying no new revisions will be made :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
I sure hope they revise the top, I want to use my nice Gold compressions.
No going backwards from this.:up:
http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/a...91003-2211.jpg
Any ETA on the Cu Supreme HF "rev. 1".
Should i wait for the review of koolance cpu block ? or EK block is already better?
what is the thermal difference when using 1 45 on the block compared to none ?
I am sure there is no difference if you use one 45° fitting.
New revision of full copper block will not be before May.
Eddy
Haul teeth:(
Thanks Eddy, I got blocks, so waiting is NP. That's customer service.:up: [Of course he dont has to do this.;)]Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Going for my own plating, should be sweet.:cool: Reconsidering Gold, double dip on the top.:D
I'd get the HF. If you get a 45, go for the single piece BP fitting, less likely to loosen and weep ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spinzaku
Eddy i want to ditch Bitspower bars, it doesn't match well with EK blocks and is starting to look ugly and out of place, any chance of us seeing smaller compression fits like 3/8ID 1/2OD, along with high quality plugs and rotaries?
Yes, we are, but the Germans who makes us tooling for the fittings are screwing us hard :S
Shocking,;) I'm in the market for some Festool stuff. Know what you mean, the best power tools for what I do though.
Does the Copper Top EK Supreme HF have any thermal advantage over the acetal top version?
yes, but the difference is very, very, very small.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coil Spring
So what is the real difference between CU and the regular HF besides their appearance?
None. Although nobody has tested them against each other that I know of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garu
Ah speaking of gold, I'm planning on getting the EK Supreme HF Gold Edition. Does it come pre-installed with the P1 plate?Quote:
Originally Posted by the finisher
If not how would I go about replacing the stock plate with the p1? Would it void the warranty?
Just a note, the "gold edition" is plated by PPCs, not EK.Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
How far do you guys tighten your thumbscrews? It's difficult to determine how equal I tightened each one so I continued tightening until I could no longer turn them without excessive force.
Sounds about right:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raul-7
Just to clarify, are you saying that a new revision of the EK Supreme HF will be coming out in May? One that will allow for 1/2" bitspower fittings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
I'm gonna be upgrading to watercooling very soon and was thinking of getting the Gold version of the EK Supreme HF. However, I'll be using 1/2" fittings meaning I can't put one side by side. So I'll have to go with two 45 degree fittings. I don't really like the look though so was wondering how long I'd have to wait for the new ones to come out.
One more thing xD just a noobie question. Which is the IN and which is the OUT? Is the IN the one that is closer to the middle? probably...
This is what i do as well. Never had an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raul-7
This is the way its supposed to be installed right? I noticed some people have it upside down...?Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
My understanding is that as long as it isn't sideways its fine?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Allow me to correct you about the microchannels:
Deep: 2.25mm and width: 0.28mm :up:
Vapor did say that microchannel depth might vary with the Supreme HF, so both of your measurements might be correct for the block you actually have.
The stock HK Gold comes with stock plate which is P3, I also just swap it out and use P1. As warranty I don't know you can get Eddy to follow up on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
is unlikely that EK have done blocks with diferent Measures, i bougth the mine 3 weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickel020
i forgot: the bottom surface of the channel is flat:yepp:
The warranty sticker is only a proof that the block is leak tested.
If you remove it you still have the warranty on material and manufacturing.
Looks like the jet plate #1 is now the stock.
I've got Acetal/Nickel block last week (from reseller so must have been couple weeks in the warehous) and the best performing plate #1 was mounted in it.
Not sure though why the block screws are not black now (perhaps a brief shortage?), fortunately I've had Acetal/Copper couple weeks earlier with black screws so a quick swap and looks good now lol
Is the full cu revision for fitting 1/2 ID 3/4 OD coming any time soon? Trying to decide on whether to pull trigger now on non full cu or wait..
We will be offering a separate copper top only purchase that will have 1,5mm wider spacing. Available in about 2 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTOViper
Anyone know if this test, and the HK 3.0, are with HT on? I didnt notice in the test writeup.
All my tests are with HT on.
Thanks for the info :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Awesome Eddy! Will that top work with all current HF variants? eg. Copper-Plexi/Nickel-Plexi/Nickel-Acetal/Full Cu Nickel etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
And is the new top going to just be Copper? or will there be the Nickel plated variant top also? Thanks again!
Hi, New Copper top will be only different that the G1/4 threads will be 1,5mm further apart to support the biggest compression fittings.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTOViper
Top will be in Copper and Nickel version.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Ze Germans! Hey, the tooling is expensive, but ze Germans have the best stuff. They're just ensuring you get quality stuff. I'm German
Which plate is the most efficient ??
Here you go:
http://skinneelabs.com/ek-supreme-hf.html?page=5
:D
Quote:
Conclusion
Let's get something out of the way quickly: with (the included) Plate 1, this is the best performing block I've tested to date. Its restriction is very low and its thermal performance is the best at every pumping power (and at typical pumping powers, it distances itself by quite a bit over the XT). The only caveat is that it needs Plate 1 installed for it to be the absolute best, and that's not much of a caveat considering it's included hardware. I would actually like to see even more restrictive plates as options to see what else can be achieved from this block thermally (yes, I realize a blank is included, but home machining is not in most people's repetoire).
affiliate13: since some time EK changed preinstalled stock plate to #1, so new buyers don't need to change it anymore.
Yes i remember Eddy mentioning plans to do that.
Good new then this has already been implemented.
I would imagine then the block will be leak tested before shipping as before..but with the better performing plate.
I will be getting an HF when the new spacing model appears all being well. :D
I just got my EK Supreme HF Full Copper in from Performence-PCs. I cant really tell, but am I going to be able to fit compressions on here? Or will I need to buy some rotaries?
You'll surely need to buy some rotaries.
Eddy promised a new revision that would be able to fit 3/4" OD fittings, but it seems to have delayed...
Darn, was hoping to save some money. Oh well. :D
Yeah, some people mount it upside down for easier tube routing.Quote:
Originally Posted by kill_a_wat
Sweet! I've been waiting awhile for these new revisions!! Can I order directly from the site or do I still have to wait a few days (weeks) to get them.
BTW, JUST to make sure, the new CU edition will support BP compression fittings that have an ID of 1/2" and an OD of 3/4". xD
I did 6 full turns once the block was flush with the cpu HS, and the thumbnuts contacted the springs. Tension seems adequate, and tightening more than that didn't improve my temps. Measuring the length of the compressed springs should provide a rough idea of "equalness".Quote:
Originally Posted by Raul-7
mounting of supreme HF. Does it matter what direction block are mounted according to install instruction from EK or flip block so inlet are placed 180 degres closest to ram slots ?
I've read in a few places that it's best to put the OUTLET hole on top, so that air doesn't get trapped inside the block.
On monolithic dies it shouldn't really matter, on 775 quad cores with their two seperate dies you might see more of a difference.