Awesome stuff guys!:toast::clap::party:
This is getting me excited about AMD again.:D
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Awesome stuff guys!:toast::clap::party:
This is getting me excited about AMD again.:D
wicked stuff :) :up:
Awesome results! :up:
nice scores
congrats
great job guys, seems you had fun :D
For the 7GHz validation, we used the new DFI board with digital PWM, because the first UD5 wasn't doing -200°C all too well.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
In total, I think there were almost 10 different motherboards used in the overclocking event and it seems that almost ALL motherboards are capable of maxing out a CPU. The difference between boards is really, really small. Which is a good think, of course :up:
After having spent testing all three variants of the 955 (retail - TWKR - high-leakage), I have to say that the word 'super-cherry' is a bit misleading. The results you use to found your 'cherry'-argument are in fact the LHe results, which you can't compare to any of the LN2 results out there. In fact, these Phenoms scale so incredibly well with temperature that basicly every degree matters. To give an example: the whole team was working very hard to get the lowest temperatures possible when aiming for 7G stability. Waiting several minutes to push the 'apply'-button to have just that 0.1°C lower to make it stable. Hell, we even overclocked the LHe dewar (increasing pressure not guaranteed by manuf.) to get that 7G run.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
The difference between TWKR and High-leakage is probably less than 200MHz suicide and around 100MHz in 3D. GiorgioPrimo and me were pushing a sample on the event and hit 6625MHz CPU-Z, 4950MHz NB and 6.25G 06 cpu test stable.
The difference between TWKR and retail is a bit bigger of course, especially when you try to compare the average overclocking results. However, there are some reasons for this (which I mentioned on Hwbot as well). Looking at the results of the retail sample of Loopy83 (link), I'd say even retail can get close to the TWKR. Of course, there's the difference of expectancy: with high-leaked samples, a high overclock is almost guaranteed whereas with retails you just don't know.
I still have some results on my laptop. I'll post them here in a couple of minutes.
Congratz on all those great results & some WR's guys! :clap:
Looked like you all had alot of fun :D
Massman said it really well. TWKR did show some potential during the weekend.
Me and macci did not have too much luck, cause in these 955 ES CPU's there was few, which did not scale under -200c tempratures. The fisrt we tested did not boot at -230C anymore. Luckily Massman and Giorgioprimo was testing very nice chip on LN2 at the same time and we just carried the setup to the table where Lhe pipe was and started to go lower on tempratures. That CPU did scale well and we "overclocked" the helium tank by shutting down the safety valves + feed the tank with some gas. I think only overclockers are brave enough to do that with LHe dewar :D We just aimed to 7GHz and when we got it time was running out. If I would have known in that point, that we will have more bad luck with CPU's I would have done the 3D runs directly after that.
On sunday we tested two motherboard and one CPU under helium again and the CPU had a cold bug. It did 6750 validation easily under LN2, but when temperature was getting up to -240c the CPU did only 6.4GHz anyomre.
I think we all can accept, if CPU does have a cold bug at that temperature :rofl:
Well.. luckily elmor was running his Gigabyte UD5 in the second room and we just swapped the setup. At that point we put the pressure to the max and closed all the safety valves :eek:
Temperature was under -250C all the time in some runs and that did help a lot with that CPU which was being used. No cold bug, just scaling all the time.
Well, now we have a lot of experience of runnign LHe and how to use these dewars + pressure controlling. I think we might have to do some more runs in the future.
Nice weekend for sure and this event was a great success, with sick scores. Thank you guys! You are the best and you all know it too :up:
Pictures etc. coming a bit later.
thats interesting about -250C after pressure adjustments :)
good stuff
hahahah helium tank overclocking :rofl: :ROTF:
Massman, what are the costs of LHe in your area, or in Finland for example? Looking at the price 30x more expensive than LN2 makes it not really practical despite great scalability with temps :D
SICK , thats what i call ... ,
keep pushing it :up:
Haha :rofl:.Quote:
Originally Posted by SF3D
That was really a great moment during the event. I think it was Macci who ran upstairs and asked Giorgio and me if we'd be willing to shutdown the system at -196°C, unplug everything, run downstairs (setup still at -190°C) and go LHe with the setup. A fine example of teamwork: people unpluggin everything, people ready downstairs to get the system running ... really awesome!
I think around 10~15 per liter in average. I asked my local dealer here and he confirmed this price and for this event I think it was around that as well. It depends from dealership to dealership, I reckon, as Petri told me that the first place they asked for a price, it was much more expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
But yes, the scaling is fantastic. A difference of 0.2°C can make the difference in stability or no stability. I'd very much like to see retail 955's (from the shelf) under LHe ... just to see the difference with the high-leaked ES samples.
WOW
going by the pics you guys left your game faces home:clap: and had a good time....the scores just fell into place after that:D:up::up::up::up::up::up::up:
I wanna say many thanks to everyone on this event.
It was really awesome. Teamwork, organization - everything on the highest level!
For those who wonder, this is what the TWKR chip could do under LN2.
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/599028.png
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=599028
CPU-Z 1.52 reads out TWKR correctly, but no validation possible with that version.
NB clock was nice also:
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...emory-5775.png
4.7G with 940MHz 7-6-5 1T was 3D stable, by the way.
Just now i sit at NeoForce's workspace. Tomorrow i will upload some fun pics :D
I just want to say many thanks to AMD for this great event. It is big honnor for me to bench with that kind of Top-guys. :up:
Veery strong imc:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
how about pulling a huge vaccuum with a strong compressor to lower BP of ln2 / LHE for phenom benchin?
Liquid helium????:shocked::shocked: wow!
First of all, what a great event it was. Everything was very well organized and prepared by SF3D and macci. We did not only focus on overclocking but had lots of fun, did some drinking, sauna, swimming, eating, night club, etc :up:
I think we will see pictures and results from everyone who attended the event so I'll just post the pics of liquid helium tests with Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition ES, Gigabyte 790FX-UD5P and ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 CrossFire X me & elmor did on Sunday evening. Since SF3D & macci were mainly focusing on liquid helium, me and elmor established a Finnish/Swedish team and started benching together on Sunday. Everything worked out really well and first we tested normal TWKR CPU with LN2 and just two hours before we had to leave the place, we got opportunity to bench our well prepared system with liquid helium.
Since we only had very short time with LHe we started benching 3DMark05 straight away at 6,497 GHz and scored 49187 points. Next we raised the CPU to 6603 MHz and scored 49568 points. The best one was at 6678 MHz and score was 50017 points. We tried pushing 05 many more times but after scores like 49999 we just ran out of time :(
Then we did 3DMark06 and since we were in a hurry we started @ 6541 MHz which already gave us 38139 points. We could run CPU-tests successfully @ 6541 MHz but 6614 MHz crashed at the end of CPU-test 2. Unfortunately full run @ 6541 MHz crashed in CPU-tests. Here are the pics of system etc:
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/X-...1516420591.jpg
400 liters of liquid helium
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/X-...1516458983.jpg
macci & SF3D preparing the helium
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/X-...1516470825.jpg
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/X-...1516508127.jpg
Macci adjusting liquid helium flow
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/X-...1516529809.jpg
Tank's safety valve "overclocked" :D
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/X-...5165357211.jpg
Happy LHe-overclockers elmor & Sampsa
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/X-...5165575613.jpg
Kingpin F1 EE pot's temperature showed below -250 in idle and between -230 and -240 under 3D load. These might not be very accurate numbers, but we did pretty good work preparing F1 EE for LHe and results speak for themselves :)
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/X-...5165809615.jpg
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/X-...5170089017.jpg
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/X-...5170290219.jpg
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/X-...5170496121.jpg
System after
Thanks to everyone who participated and especially AMD powering the event. It was nice to see some old and new friends and everyone did some really nice scores :up:
Loving the CPU ID :D
Very nice work guys :up:
Haha, system after looks cool. Did something die?
Your pics are very nice !
Congratulations for all scores !
It have been very fun for you ;)
This Pic realy roxxxs! :D
great results guys
did you guys also speak like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-XbjFn3aqE&feature=fvst
after a weekend of Helium inhalation?
truly amazing results from amazing overclockers! top notch event you put together SF3D, what a great time it looks like. :up:
The results speak for themselves... SICK :eek::clap:
wow that's real hardware torturing :D :D :D too bad you ran out of time, for that short time frame you really pushed that system to space :eek2: awesome pics :up:
50k are insane ....
keep pushing it :D
not private, its beta... just check canardpc or ask franck, hes always looking for people to beta test :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gandalfone
looks nice petri, glad you guys had fun :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by macci
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c4L4CPfQY8 :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by SF3D
That last pic is mental!
Some great scores
So close to the 05 WR! If only you had a little more time!
You guys must setup something like a one week summer OC camp, there wouldn't be much WRs left after that :D
Im impressed with every part of this :D
From "L-He isnt cold enough" to having the GPUs at stock... ridiculous from start to finish :D
When we were finishing the LHe tests with elmor we did a quick CPU-Z validation test and this was the highest:
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/599170.png
URL: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=599170
Nice results :D
And seems you had lot of fun there guys !
I think we have another record to show:
Lowest temperatures used while flashing the bios
http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00251/4458861.jpg
Risky.. no :up:
Quote:
Originally Posted by SF3D
LOL :)
thatīs soooo sick guys..... great work.... :shocked: impressive scores, i donīt know what to say..... just impressive.... :up:
Ms-Dos! i fuking miss that thing:)
What happened to your vacuum flask Sfed?
C'mon man, remember the good old times... with your room full of getto cascades.... damn those good old times:) What about a 2 stage cascade filled with nitrogen and nitrogen and helium... cooled by LN2....Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
Congrats!!!
Nice going guys, '06 WR and many other very impressive results. This looks like the ultimate overclockers vacation :up:
Congratulations once more, extremely well done. :)
wow very nice gathering and you got a lot fun there! envied :P:P
Once again, I must say, impressive results. And the best part is, you keep telling new scores every few hours :)))
I'm interested in fact that there are no 965 benches?
Grats guys, good show.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1069415312
A Picture of young Charles in is early days when he embarked on his very first extreme cooling experiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
His mother was heard to say... Charles You Will Freeze Your Eyes Out with that stuff !
That is a picture of macci from 2003 :rofl:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=143
I had to spend rest of the LN2 today.
I decided to test 3DM06 again with Crosshair III setup. Now I found the good efficiency and this CPU is not that bad either :D
My dear guests; Why no one liked to take this CPU? This was in the "this one sucks" pile and I did not have any other options :ROTF:
http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00443/4460533.png
Nice NB for sure!
http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00648/4460535.png
Now some more LHe from somewhere and hopefully this CPU is not bugged like the few I tested. Now I will go to sleep and see how 39K will be done in my dreams ---> ZZZZZzzz....
Congratulations to you and your crew on your breaking the 7GHz mark..Quote:
Originally Posted by SF3D
Truly impressive!:up:
incredible job guys! Glad to see AMD with such nice chips as of late :D
sf3d: single card wr!!!?
http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/113.gif http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/113.gif http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/113.gifQuote:
3Dmark 2006 - 35540 marks - AndreYang (Team Taiwan)
I could be wrong but I don't think that was a single card 4870x2 run ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wuttz
chew is right
no way would he get that sort of canyon on single card
[edit] just checked previous run > canyon is definitely for 4x cards
thats weird :S >> why would GPUz show single card
Not to mention single card record on bot is like 33K + 2x4890's are faster and are hard pressed to touch 34,5XX at 6.4g.....Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
If I had to take a guess I would say he disabled one card so clocks would show up correct in GPU-Z?
Just a guess.
The fact that he's not running XP was the other reason why it would not be single card.....
I doubt SF3D would throw away a couple 100 points on cpu score on vista for single card.
you havent tested vista properly have you
you do take a small hit in CPU score but what about 3D ;)
I hate vista :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Crazy stuff guys. Well done....
That is another WR potential chip!
So nobody tried 4x4890 quadfire with modded bios? (clocklimit issue)
That picture is disturbing, and will haunt me for years :cussing:Quote:
Originally Posted by SF3D
:D
:shocked: Amazing :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by elmor
:eek: VERY COOL :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
:eek: VERY COOL :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by SF3D
Congrats to all my friends...very nice work! Wish I could have been there :yepp:
that sauna pic really is disturbing :rofl::p:
4x4890 would have been a no-go anyway because for that we'd need the MSI GD70 and Sampsa has some bad experience with that as he killed a chip due to voltage. Ironically, Sampsa was also the first person to kill a TWKR chip. Yes, that's right ... only 99 left people :rofl:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
dont you think you would beat dual X2 most likely with 3x4890s in 05/06 and who knows maybe '03 as well depending on the clocks but considering SF3D was confident of 1250/1300 core
:shrug:
if 38139 is the new WR then who is this ?
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=11393944
38227 ? from yesterday...
Might be ... but I reckon time restriction added up to the problems with the 4890's on thursday were part of the reason too.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
My guess would be Mike :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gillll
I think not, check Mike's 50K '05 score, it has his email address as user name, this score has number 11971624 as user name. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
Guess.who?> Dr Who? maybe? Or just a fake considering the CPU clock speed if these are displayed right.
Did he do anything special to poor TWKR or it just died?Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
NOOOOOOOO!:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
Hehe... :banana::banana::banana::banana: happens
6G vantage seems to be quite a load for the Phenom :DQuote:
Originally Posted by phobosq
I think that 06 has to be fake
Unless the clocks are being read incorrectly
I certainly hope its fake, :P
Dont want AMD to lose the WR already.
bleee TWKR died, but 955's don't :PQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
AMD is bad at picking CPUs? :P
37215 score was done with 2 x 4870X2 cards, like someone already said. CPU was cabable of doing 6350 CPU test and NB was almost stable at 4700MHz.. so more cold and this can be a winner.
Have to try some single card action with GTX 295 at 900MHz+ when I have time.
Guys! Where are the pics from the event. Some video footage is also good to have..not from sauna though :D
The Msi GD-70 is a great board i have had my 955 at 6.4ghz and it just runs along no probs and it was with 4xHD4670 gfx
it is valid now!
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=597938
http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00569/4464199.jpg
Great job everyone!
7 jiggahertz!
As hipro would say, I'd smash my balls if that 06 wasn't Mike's :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
7 Jiggahertz!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
Yah, I'd say that too :D
From what I heard how high the actual 06 top score is, it ain't even worth running for awhile lol
Hey whats up with this hwbot crew...
"For those who don't know - Hwbot now officially supports Liquid Helium cooled setups"
Whats up with that?? Perfect timing eh? Not sure thats a good call really...
Why wouldnt it support it?
Yeah, handy timing,
But why didnt it support them before?
Why wouldn't it support cooling to the lowest temperatures if the hardware can support? That would be the same as limited the voltages you could use on the hardware simply because not every manufacturers chips could handle the same extreme voltages as the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
When it comes to cooling and voltages, anything goes, no limitations. Isn't that what this is all about anyway?
I don't know if they officially supported it before or not, I didnt submit my helium results when I had the number one hwbot 05 and 06 on helium because I thought it was super lame..no other reason really.
Supported is not the correct word, it just means Massman added a new cooling category that you can choose when submitting a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
Ah,
I was just curious, didnt know
Interesting,
Oh well, still great achievement, people didnt see AMD getting to 7G first with quads a year ago!
Just added another cooling category to differentiate the LN2 from the LHe results in the database.
Hehe..first I did not even have a clue what you guys are talking about. Massman added a new cooling gategory. Cool!
Of ourse we support liquid helium in HWbot. It is just one cooling method.
Yah I get all that believe me :up: But I thought hwbot is supposed to be "the place" where we keep the playing field as level as possible where we can. 99.9% of most overclockers can't afford helium and never will.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
So if the overclocker F1 rules are in line with hwbot, that means we will be able to use helium for F1 comp too :up:, I'm down because I just found a reasonable source locally for it :D
But is this any different from having a superior support by some company? I don't see what is the problem in this really.
We got a chace to test Lhe and some others can have a huge amount of hardware for example :shrug:
hey its your call man what you do with your results, just like I can do what I want with mine (which is not submit results to hwbot that others don't have much of a chance of beating). You don't have to justify to me what you do with them. I know what you will do already ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SF3D
and I think getting a lot of good and rare ES samples + a VERY expensive coolant to bench them for FREE counts as superior manuf support dont you? :)
OK. This time I don't have any personal LHe results, so there is nothing I can post :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
True ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SF3D
compliments for officially ( :D ) milestone :clap::clap::clap:
:up::up::up:
believe it or not, in SA we have 2 companies that do LHE, we are planning a mega session of our own,
i dont think cooling to -250 is a prob, if you have the money and a decent retail you can by all means upload to the bot. andre spent some money binning xeons for the sport he loves, to get a good one (just like all of us), im almost sure for the same amount of $ he could have gone phenom and some LHE for the same results, so its the users choice, bin some i7's or go for a mega run using Helium, where the helium run is actually a huge risk, no 32m wrpime or am3, but a chance to get 2005 and 2006
!
uploading twkr would cause some smoke though from users, cause not everyone has access to that, even though THEIR FREAKING AWESOME.
But there will always be a better retail out there, always! it happend with E8600, it happend with i7 (or pretty close), it will happen with phenom im sure! or has
Oops :p:
how come that no one is uploading their TWKR results to hwbot?
Dang your a player kid! Doing helium out of your own pocket..not doing too bad then I guess eh?.. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vivi2
Ok I get ya, it's not the cooling or who provides it you take issue with but the ES/twkr cpus themselves.
Big reason why I bring it up is because THEOVERCLOCKER sent me an email with details regarding the F1 comp this morning, I think it starts soon. Nick said they would be going by HWBOT rules most likely so things are looking good for big AMD #'s on Lhe then :)
Things don't look that much different than they did before I added that category ... it's not like we ever prohibited LHe results on the bot.
"For those who don't know - Hwbot now officially supports Liquid Helium cooled setups"
That official enough for me..you hear that THE OVERCLOCKER!!
Next time I'll write:
"For those who haven't tried changing the type of used cooling method to LHe or for those who did but were unable to do so due to the lack of an option to indicate it, good news: Hwbot has added this cooling category, so now the database will be more correct since LHe results will not have to be tagged LN2 anymore".
Becasue there isQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGreenFoX
1. no class........
2. unfair to retail users for 3d.......because they are guranteed to do well and retails are bin till you win......
My 2c
LOL, now I wonder who tried to submit lhe results but ran into that issue :DQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
Its more than just that, the official statement from hwbot crew is important for clarification for F1 Overclock I think because they are going to go by hwbot rules from what it sounded like from Nick.
Well done first of all SF3D, some nice results there from all that attended this event, AMD have come a long way with MHZ the can do now, but if Lhe has to be used to get the most out of these CPU's then is this not a bit off limits to all the benches out there due to the cost of this cooling method.
I can understand why AMD would stump up the cost of buying Lhe to show how fast there CPU can be clocked but for even the best bencher to try and compete on his own level of expenses this is way off limits purely due to the cost of this stuff.
Anyway we can all see here now who will take the AMD crown in the F1 competition, it's a shame because even though everyone has the opportunity to run Lhe not everyone can afford the cost of this stuff.
Back on track though well done guys to all that attended the AMD event it looked like a good event.
The class has been added some time ago. Actually, it has been added ever since I knew the stock frequency was 2GHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
I added this category MYSELF because:
1) I think it's better to split up LN2 and LHe since it's two different things
2) I wanted to know if the new Hwbot admin page worked perfect
Don't, really, don't jump to conclusions!