AMD Phenom II TWKR Black Edition spotted

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06-25-2009, 03:43 AM
ExodusC

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOE

It's basically the new Extreme Edition, AMD didn't have a extreme, premium chip for a long time. Back in the days of K8 glory they were able to take EE chips directly from the production lines, but now they have to cherry pick. It will hopefully win some battles in the high end for amd. If they launch it at 4 Ghz stock it will be a hit no doubt. And if it capable of running at lets say 7Ghz 24/7 it would be great.

Well, 7GHz 24/7 seems a little extreme to me, but I've never had any personal experience with a high end Phenom II chip.

I'll just say, I'd expect these to clock really well (obviously)!
06-25-2009, 03:47 AM
Foamy

whos says that this thing wil clock higher?
perhaps more cores , perhaps more and faster cache.. perhaps smaller procedee..
06-25-2009, 03:48 AM
FlanK3r

Do u seen some CPU at 6GHz 24/7 :D? LN2 and much, much barrels :rofl:

Extreme OC isnt for 24/7, but for records and stability behind benchmark.
24/7 is for AIR/ Water etc and 4.2-4.3GHz with watter 24/7 is real with retails Phenom II 955 BE. I mean, its possible about 5GHz 24/7 with watter for TWKR edition.
06-25-2009, 03:53 AM
FlanK3r

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOE

It's basically the new Extreme Edition, AMD didn't have a extreme, premium chip for a long time. Back in the days of K8 glory they were able to take EE chips directly from the production lines, but now they have to cherry pick. It will hopefully win some battles in the high end for amd. If they launch it at 4 Ghz stock it will be a hit no doubt. And if it capable of running at lets say 7Ghz 24/7 it would be great.

i mean, no production line :(...i heard about 2000 chips, no more to time....
06-25-2009, 01:06 PM
TheGreenFoX

FlanK3r: Source?
06-25-2009, 06:51 PM
MsB

The system that guy was gonna try it on is a watercooled unit isn't it? so if its over 5gees on water and goes public, I'm on one like a fly on poop.
06-25-2009, 07:08 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsB

so if its over 5gees on water and goes public, I'm on one like a fly on poop.

Not the most elegant simile, but nonetheless effective :p:

I hope the 3.4BE comes soon :stick:

Perkam
06-25-2009, 07:10 PM
stangracin3

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

Not the most elegant simile, but nonetheless effective :p:

it gave me a laugh.
06-26-2009, 12:00 AM
nguoisaigon

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

Not the most elegant simile, but nonetheless effective :p:

I hope the 3.4BE comes soon :stick:

Perkam

The Phenom II 965BE will soon available in Q3 this year. Just wait
06-26-2009, 10:04 AM
leonarderman

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

Not the most elegant simile, but nonetheless effective :p:

I hope the 3.4BE comes soon :stick:

Perkam

4.0GHz is a threshold frequency stable of AMD phenom II. I don't think 3,4GHz 965 BE can help Phenom II stable higher 4GHz on air or water cool. :shrug:

Just hope the new secret cpu of AMD can overclock higher 7,5GHz with Helium :D
06-26-2009, 01:04 PM
FlanK3r

but all people are not overclockers and 965 is possible...I mean, 965 will be new revision C3.
06-26-2009, 03:02 PM
Manicdan

it better be possible, deneb is supposedly the top chip for desktops for another 18 months according to some slides i remember seeing a few months back
06-26-2009, 03:04 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlanK3r

but all people are not overclockers and 965 is possible...I mean, 965 will be new revision C3.

I hope this is true :(

Though I wouldn't mind some 2010 32nm Phenom action :D

Perkam
06-26-2009, 04:17 PM
stangracin3

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

I hope this is true :(

Though I wouldn't mind some 2010 32nm Phenom action :D

Perkam

i wouldnt mind it either
06-27-2009, 03:11 AM
FlanK3r

whau!!!

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/12640/...oon/index.html
06-30-2009, 01:20 AM
Sampsa

These appeared yesterday on AMD's Flickr site:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2432/...01c2a2ce5a.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3383/...7c39d6efe5.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3369/...3ebd60cf_b.jpg

:up:
06-30-2009, 01:21 AM
N19h7m4r3

I really want one :(

Even if just for the case :p:
06-30-2009, 01:54 AM
Lightman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

These appeared yesterday on AMD's Flickr site:

:up:

Do you know if there will be a launch of this product (NDA lift off) or just people will post results randomly as and when?

If there is a launch date then when? (soon - up to a week, not to soon - more than a week) :)

Can you disclose that much? Please :p:
06-30-2009, 02:05 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightman

Do you know if there will be a launch of this product (NDA lift off) or just people will post results randomly as and when?

If there is a launch date then when? (soon - up to a week, not to soon - more than a week) :)

Can you disclose that much? Please :p:

I dont think its a product. More a specialized PR stunt that a few selected people gets their hands on.
06-30-2009, 02:13 AM
Lightman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

I dont think its a product. More a specialized PR stunt that a few selected people gets their hands on.

Still it will be out of the AMD labs, so it is sort of a product.
Call it whatever you want, Preview Chips, Super Chips, PR Chips or simply TWKR Chips.
I'm always interested in new, even if I can't get one now (just like BG Veyron:p:).
06-30-2009, 02:17 AM
marten_larsson

NDA lift should be tomorrow as far as I know (July 1st). It was in that blogger's post a week or so ago.

I really think they should sell these chips, otherwise I think it's a pretty bad stunt. Would be better to show it as ES and make some noize at a PR event with LHe/LN2. I mean, why the fancy box and geeky name if it's not going to be released to market (even though in extremely small quantities and high price). Am very interested in seeing how they perform though.
06-30-2009, 02:18 AM
randomizer

Some sites will be giving these away.
06-30-2009, 09:28 AM
Rommsey

http://www.tomshardware.com/pictures...enom-twkr.html

I apologize if this has been posted already but do take a look :D:yepp:
06-30-2009, 10:13 AM
xdan

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1009/1/
Legit Reviews dated today...
Some overclocking results..
When i've read the first lines and i saw the cpuz pictures i remained shocked:mad: This is more a bad joke in my opinion from Amd a 2ghz stock frecuency Deneb at 1.44v? I don't uderstand anything... What it's the point of this "Tweaker":confused: It reach 100-200Mhz more on air than 955 and 5.9 ghz on LN2 may be with real overclockers 6.5-7ghz??? .. So why it's "exclusive" , "not for sale' it's just a "haf step forward than 955" and i even bet that there 955 as good at this tweaker.. I'm profundly deceptioned about this, this "Tweaker operation" it's more a market strategy to gain share in overclockers team but hey i prefer an E8600@6.5ghz with 3.33ghz stock low vid than this in my opinion patetic 2GHZ 1.44v which was presented like holly grall and induced the opinion of meny people that started to think that it can do 5ghz 24/7 on air and is highly binned and so on...
http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...stock_cpuz.jpg
http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...09/4000ghz.jpg

Quote:

We were able to reach 4.0GHz on the AMD Phenom II X4 TWKR 42 processor with the XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 air cooled heat sink. This is an improvement of 100MHz on air, but we had to bump the voltage up to 1.46V rather than the 1.45V used to max out the Phenom II 955 processor. Basically, the processor was able to run another 0.1V more CPU Core Voltage which was good enough to reach an extra 100MHz. During our interview with AMD they said a 100MHz overclock was expected on air and that is exactly what we saw.

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...-CPUz-6583.jpg
06-30-2009, 10:16 AM
FlanK3r

next are at neoseeker, tomshw, overclocksclub, hothardware, techwarelabs etc :)
06-30-2009, 10:35 AM
stm

http://www.dailytech.com/AMD+Gives+A...ticle15558.htm
sorry if this has been posted
06-30-2009, 11:34 AM
G0ldBr1ck

For those that dont make it to the AMD section........ http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=228418
06-30-2009, 11:44 AM
marten_larsson

Quote:

Originally Posted by xdan

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1009/1/
Legit Reviews dated today...
Some overclocking results..
When i've read the first lines and i saw the cpuz pictures i remained shocked:mad: This is more a bad joke in my opinion from Amd a 2ghz stock frecuency Deneb at 1.44v? I don't uderstand anything... What it's the point of this "Tweaker":confused: It reach 100-200Mhz more on air than 955 and 5.9 ghz on LN2 may be with real overclockers 6.5-7ghz??? .. So why it's "exclusive" , "not for sale' it's just a "haf step forward than 955" and i even bet that there 955 as good at this tweaker.. I'm profundly deceptioned about this, this "Tweaker operation" it's more a market strategy to gain share in overclockers team but hey i prefer an E8600@6.5ghz with 3.33ghz stock low vid than this in my opinion patetic 2GHZ 1.44v which was presented like holly grall and induced the opinion of meny people that started to think that it can do 5ghz 24/7 on air and is highly binned and so on...

Well, now you're just being silly. Sure, I was expecting a bit more than 100-200MHz bump in clocks but how could you be disappointed by the stock clock? It's not for sale nor is it intended to be run @ stock. If they wanted to it's pretty easy to imagine these chips would do 3GHz at that voltage (they did, 4,0GHz to be exact).
06-30-2009, 01:25 PM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by xdan

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1009/1/
Legit Reviews dated today...
Some overclocking results..
When i've read the first lines and i saw the cpuz pictures i remained shocked:mad: This is more a bad joke in my opinion from Amd a 2ghz stock frecuency Deneb at 1.44v? I don't uderstand anything... What it's the point of this "Tweaker":confused: It reach 100-200Mhz more on air than 955 and 5.9 ghz on LN2 may be with real overclockers 6.5-7ghz??? .. So why it's "exclusive" , "not for sale' it's just a "haf step forward than 955" and i even bet that there 955 as good at this tweaker.. I'm profundly deceptioned about this, this "Tweaker operation" it's more a market strategy to gain share in overclockers team but hey i prefer an E8600@6.5ghz with 3.33ghz stock low vid than this in my opinion patetic 2GHZ 1.44v which was presented like holly grall and induced the opinion of meny people that started to think that it can do 5ghz 24/7 on air and is highly binned and so on...
http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...stock_cpuz.jpg
http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...09/4000ghz.jpg

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...-CPUz-6583.jpg

*facepalm* You do have eyes, right? 4 Ghz stable @ 1.45v, 6.6 Ghz QUAD CORE not DUAL CORE. It is highly binned, it's high leakage, and meant for LN2 or Liquid Helium.

The above post is an epic fail.

I'm glad you like E8600's. They are great dual-core CPU's. Overclock well, and don't make too much heat. When you realize that 4 is greater than 2 I'd be glad to think you make sense.
06-30-2009, 02:17 PM
570091D

tom's twkr give away: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...test,2352.html
06-30-2009, 02:34 PM
onethreehill

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlanK3r

next are at neoseeker, tomshw, overclocksclub, hothardware, techwarelabs etc :)

:)
AMD Phenom II TWKR Black Edition Reviews
http://hothardware.com/Articles/AMD-...-Edition-TWKR/
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1009/1/
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha..._black_review/
http://www.tomshardware.com/pictures...enom-twkr.html
http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...n_cpu_preview/
06-30-2009, 02:39 PM
Shintai

Lots of reviews for something you can not get... :)
06-30-2009, 03:16 PM
leoy

Just to make things a bit clearer....
From what i read, i found some really logical words...

Quote:

If you look closely at the TWKR-edition's heatspreader, you'll see AMD Phenom II 42, TWKR Black Edition, Not for Sale. There is no serial number or any other identification marker. This is because the chip is offered “as-is,” and not covered by AMD's product warranty due to the increased heat and expected shorter life they're destined to live.

And

Quote:

The fact that these chips are high leakage components actually makes them undesireable as retail processors. Whereas AMD's flagship Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition falls within AMD's specified thermal limits, these TWKR-edition CPUs do not. They draw more power, generate more heat, and run less efficiently than the chips that AMD sells. The hardcore overclocking community isn't really concerned about efficiency or heat, though. Rather, they're looking for sheer performance, which leads to record-setting benchmark results. This is why AMD's TWKR is so attractive for extreme overclockers and not average users, or even overclockers cooling with air.

So this would be a nice answer as to why these are not widely availabe. They are not for your everyday use! , and everyone that thinks why these chips are sent to "some" and not to you, then you should really reconsider the purpose of this special edition chip.
06-30-2009, 04:06 PM
tajoh111

Oye, I am not sure if it was kingpins intentions, but that freeze frame courtesy of AMD is showing everyone what a kingpin pot looks like inside, something I remember kingpin not being too pleased about.

100 in quantity? They might as well given these diamond heatspreaders with gold pins.
06-30-2009, 08:59 PM
SmaKKed

So anyone put one under xtreme cold yet Liquid Helium?
06-30-2009, 09:05 PM
cegras

Seems like these chips are the ones that would have been RMA'd if someone actually got these.
06-30-2009, 09:12 PM
570091D

Quote:

Originally Posted by cegras

Seems like these chips are the ones that would have been RMA'd if someone actually got these.

exactly, but in the hands of "Those Who Know..... R" :D
07-01-2009, 01:50 AM
Foamy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

Lots of reviews for something you can not get... :)

there are allot of things that i can't get...:slapass:
07-01-2009, 03:08 AM
xdan

Quote:

*facepalm* You do have eyes, right? 4 Ghz stable @ 1.45v, 6.6 Ghz QUAD CORE not DUAL CORE. It is highly binned, it's high leakage, and meant for LN2 or Liquid Helium.
The above post is an epic fail.
I'm glad you like E8600's. They are great dual-core CPU's. Overclock well, and don't make too much heat. When you realize that 4 is greater than 2 I'd be glad to think you make sense.

You don't get it i sad that this 42tweaker is just a little bit better than some 955 that can do 4ghz 1.45v-1.50v and also 6.5-6.6ghz it's nothing new i mean 955 had reached that frecuency....
So this limited launch "not for sale" it's just marketing...
07-01-2009, 03:36 AM
informal

"Regular" users will be able to get 125W 965BE while the LN2 OCers will try to get leaky 42twkr .This way AMD covered both sides.And who's to say 965BE won't clock close to twkr? Twkr owners just have a bit better chances to reach 7GHz on Ln2/Lhe than those with 955/965.
07-01-2009, 04:03 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

:down: for revealing the new kingpin pot internals... at least you cant see the bottom :rolleyes:
07-01-2009, 04:09 AM
massman

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmaKKed

So anyone put one under xtreme cold yet Liquid Helium?

Soon :)
07-01-2009, 04:12 AM
ILikeCosmosS

So the TWKR chips have better oc capability compared to the 965be?
07-01-2009, 08:34 AM
Hell Hound

So I guess the Phenom FX will be @ 1.35-1.4v @ 4ghz.:D
07-01-2009, 09:33 AM
Chad Boga

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell Hound

So I guess the Phenom FX will be @ 1.35-1.4v @ 4ghz.:D

There won't be a Phenom FX.
07-01-2009, 09:36 AM
FlanK3r

The problem PII is warmth, PII like cold at AIR (and not only with AIR) ---> with this C2 revision is 4GHz topmodel unreal...I mean, max 3.6GHz clock model, not more.
07-01-2009, 09:55 AM
Hell Hound

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Boga

There won't be a Phenom FX.

Can you prove this.:rolleyes:
07-01-2009, 09:56 AM
TheGreenFoX

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

:down: for revealing the new kingpin pot internals... at least you cant see the bottom :rolleyes:

Its "just" a prototype...
07-01-2009, 10:11 AM
Luka_Aveiro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell Hound

Can you prove this.:rolleyes:

Can you prove there will be one? :rolleyes:
07-01-2009, 02:23 PM
G0ldBr1ck

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Boga

There won't be a Phenom FX.

......using the Deneb core. No way to know after that. Then Phenom name could live on many generations.
07-01-2009, 03:20 PM
BeepBeep2

How good would AMD start selling if they made a Phenom FX? Thats pretty much what the Black Edition's are, the replacement for the FX moniker. At least, thats what I cam up with in my mind.

If AMD really wanted to I'm sure they could start mass producing 3.6-3.8 Ghz "FX" chips, I mean if you look at how much they pushed frequencies on the Athlon X2 's I don't know why not. All the 6400+'s were cherry picked, if they did the same here they could have a 3.6 Ghz part on the market.
07-01-2009, 03:55 PM
Bgriffs

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

How good would AMD start selling if they made a Phenom FX? Thats pretty much what the Black Edition's are, the replacement for the FX moniker. At least, thats what I cam up with in my mind.

If AMD really wanted to I'm sure they could start mass producing 3.6-3.8 Ghz "FX" chips, I mean if you look at how much they pushed frequencies on the Athlon X2 's I don't know why not. All the 6400+'s were cherry picked, if they did the same here they could have a 3.6 Ghz part on the market.

There are a lot of current AMD chips out there now that can hit 3.6 on stock voltage, albeit with no OC room without more voltage from there. Give them some more time and a new revision C3 or Dx or whatever and I think we'll start seeing them on the market. The 945 got scrapped by the 955 at launch because they had the silicon to do it. For them to really start moving chips they need to get OEM's to start buying the Phenom II's instead of the older phenom I's and then things will get rolling again.
07-07-2009, 02:30 PM
onethreehill

AMD TWKR BE: Phenom II 42 - 6GHz+
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=806

AMD Overclocking-Event: Phenom II - 7GHz+
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,68...king-CPU/News/
07-08-2009, 01:17 AM
blindbox

Any other site, onethreehill? Website is blocked on my university till night time.
07-08-2009, 02:22 AM
JkS

You don't really have to go far.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...228525&page=11
03-19-2019, 06:40 AM
FlanK3r

Old thread, but new TWKR test :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06y2Py6qX-s
03-19-2019, 06:24 PM
Hell Hound

Can you ask him to OC A 1100T for the next amd legendary hardware vid, should be able to get close to 1k cb since Fx gets like 850.
Gamers Nexus didn't do it justice @ all,no northbridge clocking w/low hertz on the cores like wtf ?
03-25-2019, 12:13 PM
FlanK3r

Do not worry, its no issue for me. I have still have in my colection Crosshair IV + 1090T + 1100T and GSkill RAM :)

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