No shait. I guess DD should have refused to be the US distributor? I guess they held a gun to TC's head?Quote:
Originally Posted by Erasmus354
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No shait. I guess DD should have refused to be the US distributor? I guess they held a gun to TC's head?Quote:
Originally Posted by Erasmus354
wow so they ARE stealing other manufacture's products and selling it as their own. there is nowhere on those links that say it is made by Koolance or Koolance branded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
i hope this store (AT) gets their asses burn the F off.:down::down::down::down::down:
:down::down::down::down::down::down:
I noticed in that luxx support link earlier several people raving about how AT is now individually packaging their fittings in little plastic bags. I wonder where they got that idea?
Huh? DD is the main US distributor, or was for Thermochill. Similar to how F-CPU is with Fesser Rads, and Jab-tech with XSPC Rads.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Wasn't me, but I'll clear it up anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
If you look at the european watercooling online shops, it's like having 100 petras and once performance pcs.
Exclusive by Contract? no, but their size gives them a massive advantage.
I happen to know German, the mods are deleting all posts related to the trademark debacle.Quote:
Originally Posted by dualbrain
Ģ4 isn't free!Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ_64
DD says their volume was not worth renewing the contract last Summer. Fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by naokaji
Until the waters clear this is the last thing I will add to the subject:
One of the affected companies (Bulgin), after being made aware of the situation, put the matter on the hands of their legal team and AT withdrew their application.
In this whole conundrum this is the only fact I've got, because I've "heard" it from the horse's mouth.
Everyone can draw the conclusions they want out of this.
Yes. I know there were complaints about DD hording the rads. DD did not sell TC rads for squat so why would they hoard them? I think we already know TC had serious production issues. I remember reading whining posts about it but at the same time I notice on my trips to DD the TC racks were empty or close to empty. Black Ice rads on the other hand sold like crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baleful
Go back and read my hints over a year ago about their demise (I knew they were out fishing for a buyer even when people who thought they were in the know said otherwise).
Thanks! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by century child
Ever heard of PMs?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
How have I to understand this? (status a few minutes ago)
And e. g. the fact, that you didnīt have any other possibility to buy a Thermochill in Germany for years (I have tried it) so nothing to do with latest news)? And you still have no other possibility to buy a XSPC rad in Germany (I have tried it)?
http://www.abload.de/thumb/koolance_...endernnd6g.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/swiftech_...endernji6z.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/tc_bildgrendern3ioa.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/xspc_bildgrendern4dcx.jpg
So they HAD a contract with AT until last summer? And with whom do they have a contract, now? Are the new tubings Feser or DD? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
see above andQuote:
Originally Posted by Logos
Dein Deutsch ist nahezu perfekt, super! Qu'ā cela ne tienne!
Could you please tell these nice guys who began the discussion? Just to end discussions about my relationship to AT? Thank you in advance!Quote:
Originally Posted by dualbrain
interesting ... but perhaps offtopic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erasmus354
What does Danger Den have to do with TC in Europe?Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
DD dumped AT and went with TFC. Yes. AT registers DD name. Yes. Why? You said AT has exclusive contract with DD so they can and should do so. I am confused. What is your point?
Why donīt you comment the rest? No links, no fun? All "heisse Luft"? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
I know about DD, itīs well known in Germany, I guess. When did AT register the name? Before or after the split? I really do not know it.
One last additional notice: Perhaps AT is the evil one in this scene. Maybe. So this http://www.aquatuning.de/shop_conten...ge/en/coID/101
is all not true. Maybe. But why donīt anybody stop them to write those lies?
I still do not understand. To dumb. Sorry. :wave:
writing all those lies? That is just a brief history of the company. What the hell does that have to do with anything here? Not to mention that was last updated 2 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
When did AT register the name? You really are ignorant and lazy ... there have been a dozen links here to the OHIM site showing the registrations, which clearly lists the dates the trademarks were applied for. (Most were in February of this year)
Well, since Aquatuning refers to themselves as the Owner and Legal Entity for the name Danger Den, at least in the filing with the OAMI, I guess that pretty much says AT is the owner of the Danger Den brand. No mention of DD being a U.S. based company or owned/trademarked in the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Oh, and AT registered with OAMI the name DD this year, 2009....well after the split.
Here, try this. Trademark #007542152.
Type that into the basic OAMI search here: http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/Requ...en_SearchBasic
Hope this is navigable for you and not too basic. :welcome:
This is the only thing you have posted that I agree with. Well, except for "to". It should be "too".Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
You really make no sense. Why are you even posting if you do not understand the issue or facts involved? AT registered Danger Den's name a year after Danger Den refused to renew a contract with them. Will someone please translate this to German for scamps?
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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
What would be the point? Argue with a moron/imbecile/idiot and the only thing that happens is that you drop to their level and then they beat you with experience.
agreed, I think we should stop arguing with scamps :D ....the more he posts, the more it's confused and a dead end.
LOL . . .best nugget of wisdom I have heard in a long time. :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Humminn55
WTH are you talking about? Are you saying that AT did NOT register the names?Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
Proof:
1 The Trade mark details CoolIT Systems CTM 008147662
2 The Trade mark details ACRyan CTM 008109894
3 The Trade mark details Thermochill CTM 008109886
4 The Trade mark details Dye Bomb CTM 007605637
5 The Trade mark details Swiftech CTM 007605611
6 The Trade mark details SilenX iXtrema CTM 007605595
7 The Trade mark details Recom CTM 007605587
8 The Trade mark details XSPC CTM 007542327
9 The Trade mark details Masterkleer CTM 007542293
10 The Trade mark details Noctua CTM 007542236
11 The Trade mark details Koolance CTM 007542194
12 The Trade mark details Danger Den CTM 007542152
13 The Trade mark details Bitspower CTM 007542137
14 The Trade mark details aqua tuning CTM 007542129
15 The Trade mark details Yate Loon CTM 007242068
16 The Trade mark details Phobya CTM 007237861
All can be found here - http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/Requ...en_SearchBasic
Huh? I had no idea there were complaints about DD "hording" rads. That is news to me :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Yeah I knew about TC looking for buyers as well. There's a certain Red guy that was approached with a deal. :rofl:
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by naokaji
When a company does that sort of move they usually know that they won't get screw as the consumer as little to no choice.
I bet that after this move the price will rise up for two reason: 1st no competition, 2nd get their money back at the end consumer gets screwed
OMg . . .that would be awesome. you thing Germans have colorful personalities . . . .Texas make them look like nerdy accountant types . . .guys like you refer to and Geno (another Texan) are freakin firecrackers. water-cooling marketing would look like the end of Terminator 3 . . . .mushroom clouds and allQuote:
Originally Posted by Baleful
Ummmmm ...."SilenX iXtrema CTM 007605595" Well that was a goof if I ever heard of one. Talk about a worthless name to register. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
OMG they registered "Obama" and "change". What is next. Will they register "FTW"?
scamps, nobody here knows what you're talking about, and from what i can gather, you're trying to defend aquatuning by saying they did nothing wrong.
you can't be serious. nobody is going to send you any link, or any email. go get them yourself. dont see any public words from those copyrighted manufacturers? its because there are larger legal issues than posting in a forum for people like you to read. go back to your german website
He can't, they locked the thread and are actively censoring anything bad said about AT. Hardwaredeluxxx is apparently in AT's back pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOUISSSSS
scamps is German for tool?Quote:
Originally Posted by Erasmus354
Come gather 'round, children, it's high time, ye learned!
'Bout a hero, named Beavis, and a devil, named aquatuning.de
We'll march 'till we drop, the girls and the fellas
We'll fight to the death or else fold like umbrellas
'Cause we'll march day and night, by the mountain mods towers
They have the trademarks, but we have, the power!
yeah ok... i cant rhyme :D
bwhahahahaha! :rofl::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
awesome :up: I was getting into meh Vanilla Ice outfit yo. . .I done lost so much belly already my shorts will not say up . . .I do look like a wanna be gangstaQuote:
Originally Posted by b@llz0r
aquatuning can suck my right AND left nads... seriously, they can go burn in hell...
http://www.lyricstime.com/simpsons-l...ng-lyrics.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
lol, Simpsons FTW . . .errr, wait, can I say FTW here?Quote:
Originally Posted by b@llz0r
Ahhh, go ahead and say it, DB.
damn, now if only Gabe would only come in here and let us know what the deal is. if not, i'm going to assume the silence is due to legal actions being taken place or in planning.
i want to see some pwnage already, like when i rush long A
Damn you! I was trying to forget about CS tonight. crud. gotta get my fix on.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOUISSSSS
There one was a company called AT
they trademarked company names with glee
Till kyle from the [H]ard
drove in with his car
and smacked down AT with his decree
"I say to all, vote with your wallets!"
says Kyle with his interesting insider info
And the forumites listened, and closed their wallets!
while the WC manufacturers paced hither and fro
We'll defend our rights in court!
proclaim the various good guys
All they want, is a little discourt.....ship
from AT, who stinks of poop and flies.
On BP and DD and XSPC and Swiftech!
Beat the everliving :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of AT!
My money is on you Gabe, you get my bet!
Just make sure I don't miss my 5'oclock tee.
Seriously though... I don't see this ending well for AT. Also, my poetry blows.
LMAO:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
What is really bad about going to court in those type of issue is that it's not always the rightful who one, but the wins,but the one that as the more money.
Because the one that as the more money can't pay lawer and stay in court for a long time and can find way to delay the case causing extra financial burden etc.. until the second party quite.
there once was a man from de
who took out some trademarks for a fee
he said with a grin, if you other guys want in
5% of your sales must come to me
but that was only the start
and his customers voted with their cart
5% dont go far, when your sales are sparse
and that was the end of AT
Sorry, but I did not notice that, therefore I was asking. So this is absolutely clear and there is NO POSSIBLE EXCUSE for AT in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
no comment :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by LOUISSSSS
Thanks for explaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erasmus354
Generally: I still do not understand some of you. To scream the place down and affront anybody who prefers to first be in doubt and to have facts for his decision (or is possibly just to dumb to understand - like me?!) is possibly not the whole purpose of a forum. Adding insult to injury some of you just seem to be blatherskites ... :p: :wave:
I'm sorry, you can't take that high road bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:. We aren't screaming you down and affronting you because you prefer to be in doubt. We are doing that because you REFUSE to click on the links provided to the "proves" you claim you want. You won't click on information to the direct source, and you won't take our word when we tell you the information from that source. You are actively choosing to be ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
lol @ this thread and the poetry :up:.
just give it up guys please let this thread die because your all wasting your time talking about it. Most of us aren't even in germany, and yes it is an ass move for AT to steal trademarks, but apart from notifying the manf's there is nothing else any of us can do.
if you are in europe it is your choice to shop at AT or not depending on what you think about the matter, if you are not in europe then it doesnt freakin matter.
In that case, have you trademarked your work globally? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frozen.Q
erm....
I knew this the entire time which is why I am to pissed about it (also being Danger Den owners are my friends I do not want to see their hard work pissed on or tainted).Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
You not only questioned the allegations (which is fine to do and we presented tons of information to help you) you also went down the road to question the motives of those bringing up the allegations. You now see what I see and what many others here see so I call it good and will lay off you. :up:Quote:
campaign against Aquatuning and I would really like to know, who did start it - and why
Rofl me too but my PC is in pieces downstairs while I wait for upgrades :DQuote:
Originally Posted by xkon
correct assumptions ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LOUISSSSS
thanks for popping in Gabe!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Thank you so much for this hint! Good luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I would personally like to here Shanes views on this, as he works for AT in Switzerland :)
In the end of the day that's what it boils down to, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
At this point in the thread, and after having heard it from the horse's mouth, there's no real point on keeping using conditionals... It did actually happen.
Oh well, seems I'll have to find a new supplier for silver Tygon... Unless I can find 10 or 12 people that also want it and buy a coil...
i have some half inch if you want itQuote:
Originally Posted by MrToad
That's really kind man, much appreciated :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Unfortunately it's 3/8" what I'm after, for the mosfet/NB loop. I've got only 2 ft left...
No big deal atm, if it's not enough I can always run a section with 1/2"... and for when the time comes to change tubing, I'll probably have a new supplier :)
There's ways around everything, one just needs motivation to stop being so lazy :p: :p: :p:
you should ask specialtech to stock it, I hear they are really good about that kind of thing ;) :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrToad
Thread closed until further notice.
A little explanation :
Some might be asking why I closed the thread :
I simply closed because of the personal attacks from some of you towards somebody else (scamps, in this case). Those posts have been removed.
I talked to scamps regarding this whole matter, and asked him if he had any affiliation to AT or anything similar.
He said that he didn't (I'm not going into any more details), other that he's (or was) just a customer, just like I am at AT.
I haven't been approached by AT to close this thread (like it seems to happen on others forums), and I certainly don't have any affiliations with AT, in case you were wondering.
If they have a problem with certain things being said on this forum, they'll have to talk to Fugger about it, he's the boss after all.
This doesn't mean that we will allow any more flame baits towards each other.
You all are adult enough to discuss this matter in a mature and civilized way, without bashing and insulting each other.
If, however, we get the impression that this thread will get out of control again, it will be closed (perhaps permanently).
So it's up to you, whether it stays open or not.
I hope my post clears up some things.
If you still have questions, simply drop me a PM.
Regards,
i for one would like to see some official comments from some of the companies that have had their names registered by AT
thanks gabe for that hint..... and i understand the whole "seeking legal advice cant talk" thing, but cant someone official give some clues as to whats going on from any of the companies in question? ... maybe even ... god forbid ... AT actually post up an explanation of their actions?
I don't apologize for squat. If you bothered to read the entire thread you see he brought it on himself and he caused the flames by starting them. Sorry but you are just wrong Jupiter at least in how you described your repsonse. They way you have done so is taking sides. A mod or admin could have taken a neutral approach. I hope you just faed to adquately articate your actual position. Also, since Scamps tried to pull us to another forum I guess it is okay for people to pull XS members in posts here to other forums like RRR?
true the guy just really looked for it, post after post. But please don't take *** forums as a reference here :D that's not exactly a place I'd advise anyone to go ;)
edit: not sure how you meant that, probably just took it as an example...
I meant he surely had a vipers nest set up to ambush me if I posted over there since he was total weaksauce here. Like you said, he begged for it here, he hot it, now XS admins are standing up for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logos
give the guy a break man... believe it or not, mods are human too :)
he has reopened the thread... so lets keep discussion on the issue.
i dont think we are going to hear any official position from the victoms of this act by at, and the deafening silence from AT one can only assume they really are up to no good.
Because we are the Antichrist I tells yah! :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
I am just saying how his post sounded. If it not what he meant I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by b@llz0r
I never asked you or others to apologize.
Just because 1 guy has doubts about this whole thing, gives you (and others) the right to flame him down or so?
I'm not taking sides, believe me, and I'm not protecting Scamps, if that is what you think.
And in case someone's wondering, NO, I didn't receive a PM from him asking me to step up in this thread and backing him up.
I received a couple of PM's as for why I closed it and that the thread should stay open. I replied to all of them, saying I would reopen it.
I reopened it by also giving a short explanation as for why I closed it.
DB :
If you have doubts about my integrity as a Moderator on this forum, then forward this thread to Fugger.
If he thinks I went out of line, then I'll accept it and take full responsibility (after all, I took the decision to close this thread).
I've been a mod here at XS for several years now and I always tried to be neutral and make a decision based on what I think is good or wrong.
Based on some flame posts in this thread, I could have sent out some warnings or even ban some of you for a couple of days.
I could have done it but I didn't. I'm not that kind of guy.
I'm human, just like everybody else, and humans make mistakes (we all sometimes do).
Hell, nobody's perfect, right?
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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Seems like people get too personally vested in this...it's business, probably very shady business at that but it's not our business it's the business of AT and all other parties whose names have been registered. I can understand people getting upset but some are really taking it too far when attacking other members of the forum.
There is such a thing as innocent until proven guilty, maybe we have forgotten and I am not defending AT but to start slandering other members of this forum over other peoples business doesn't really sit well. I think we should all take a step back and let the legal system take due process. I'm sure more facts will arise as the legal proceedings take place but until then pretty much everything that is being said is simply gossip.
:( I got some PMs this night/morning with hints on XS, where some people still seem to think, that I am a AT-worm. Because I do absolutely not understand that, please explain it to me :shrug:
In my last posting here I said thank you to gabe, because he was the only one of an affected company, who was ready to give any "official" statement. In my eyes useful to help others to be on the "right" side.
On forumdeluxx I tried to go on with this matter, but the mods did delete my comments once again without any notice. This morning I wrote to AT to delete my customer-accounts and they did confirm already.
So: Where is the problem? :mad:
The point you cleary missed is he was not just expessing doubts. If that wee the case and we jumped on him I would agree with you. The guy basically claimed we and others who brought issue up had questionable motives. Maybe the guy fooled you into thinking he is not a tool for AT but most of see that is bunk. At least I fully disclose my associations. I am not saying you are dishonest I am saying you are mischaracterizing the situation and making a mistake by taking the side of someone who is clearly a troll. I don't go whining to Fugger or admins or mods. I will converse with you here in the open where you can respond.
you didn't say thanks, or thanks for the info, but thanks for the hint, which makes a big difference, especially followed by "good luck" :rolleyes:...and just the way you describe your own post now doesn't sound very genuine either...but OK, I'm not posting with any anger, sorry but it's hard to trust you.Quote:
Originally Posted by scamps
@DarthBeavis
Hu, whatīs that? You did not read my posting I guess ... To be fair from my side I will not comment that until you did read it :cool:
€dit:
@Logos
Perhaps a question of false usage of your language? If so I have to apologize for it. It was absolutely meant serious. I understand, that gabe is not able to talk about any detail. But for me it is absolutely enough to lose any doubt and to know that you are right in your sight of things. Sorry once again.
Btw: Jupiter I agree with locking the thread. Your failure to see how Scamps trolled and played passive agressive games resulted in people being understandably pissed at him. We took time to spell it out for him over and over. He clearly is in contact with AT and even tried to use info (which I used against him) about exlusivity contracts which only AT and DD would have knowledge of. He and I were both getting inside info. I disclosed that and fortunately it prooved me right. Look at where Scamps is from. Look at where AT is located. Why else would any sane person say there is a conspiracy against AT?
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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Today -as far as I read the threads- I am THE ONLY ONE at forumdeluxx, who is still following this matter. Yes, I live in Germany. Perhaps you should use a road map to notice, that I am living about 150-200 km from Aquatuning. And yes, I have small insider information, just because I have more than 6000 posts in forumdeluxx and I know a lot of people there. Some of them are on ATīs side, some are clearly Feser-friendly, some doesnīt mess around with this matter at all.
So: Every German, who has a liquid cooling (and had to buy at Aquatuning in the past) is the enemy now? You played to many 18+ games in the last days maybe ...
I never said you or anyone is an enemy. A tool? Yes. I can accept you have a point if view and alliances. What I will call you out on is demaning the intentions of those who stand up against what is unacceptable behavior in this case by AT. You clearly sided with AT and indicates this was an unfair campaign against them and attempted to dismiss what I am others here were telling you (by doing so we were taking our time and making an effort to educate you...while you refused to take even a little responsibility and us the info we provided until the last couple posts..by which time you aleady pushed everyone into a pissed off frenzy against you). At least
most everyone here sees you for what you are. Jupiter I think was just trying to be nice to you and made a slight error. Jupiter I appreciate you good intentions and all but this guy brought it on himself.
Can't you guys just take this to PMs ?
Jup, you shoulda left this one closed buddy - it was the right decision :up:
I think it is important to keep a dialog on this issue open. Perhaps a closing of this thread and an opening of another to attempt to cut down of the off topic banter. The last thing we want though is something like hardwaredeluxx where they are actively censoring anything said on the matter. That is just despicable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Agreed. Without comment. At least scamps can get his postcount up here since that is his measurmenr of self worth. To me, post count is proportionqally inverse to having a life:) too much screentime. I am sure we all are guilty as this stupid Internet arguing is wasting my time.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
I agree, let's move on
@DarthBeavis
I give it up, now. Perhaps you are not able to or not willing to read my posts as they are. So think what you want, fortunately it does not really affect me.
Only one last statement about me and my motives:
I spent about approx. 3000-4000 Euro during the last 18 months for liquid cooling, and got a big part of it back by selling equipment after having tested it. And I tested a lot (the people @forumdeluxx will know :wave:)
Absolutely in difference to many other people (who did lots of reviews, too) I got not even one (=1) free test sample. No extra rebates for anything. The one and only thing I got for free is the repair of a damaged Poweradjust from Aquacomputer (notice the marking! Thanks to Shoggy once again). In contrast to many others I got neither testsamples or rebates from Aquatuning, nor from Feser, nor from Alphacool, nor from Caseking, nor from Swiftech and whoever.
And I am proud and happy about that, because I am absolutely free in my acting.
And so I wonīt mess around with these recriminations anymore. Iīm fed up with this kind of slyboots like this fellow DarthBeavis. High time to leave this thread. :down:
See you later scabs...Oops I mean scamps! What the hell and why not, all my stuff gets deleted in here anyway. The Aquatuning fiasco is a sensitive issue for many because many of us have either ties to some of the manufacturers, friends with them since we deal with them so much or are awaiting new stuff from R&D which now may be hampered because of lawyer fee's because of some idiot company *cough cough aquatuning cough cough* decides to try and pull a fast one and making a monopoly for themselves in Europe. Now they the people will suffer from high prices and aquatuning also will gouge the market to help peddle off some other manufacturers stuff because they have the stuff from other areas under control. It's BS just like scabs here who is their troll. I am done with this....I said my piece and just ask those to understand what is going on and to vote with their wallet.
Scamps if you say you have done things for the water-cooling community then I take you at your word and thank you. You handled this situation poorly and reperesented yourself in such a manner to earn your cold reception here. I hope our interactions fro
here on out are more positive. My opinion of you and that of many here can olny go up so that is a positive.
This behaviour appears to target small businesses and THAT is what I don't like. I really don't care if it costs me a few bucks down the road for increased parts costs, but I hate seeing this hurt small companies that have worked so hard to essentially build what we call watercooling today..:(
It is one small company screwing over others. What is sad is AT in my experince has been a good company (I have had good experiences with them) but my understanding is they hired the jerkoff who tried to screw HWLABS over with the same type of trademarking crap. All it takes is one bad apple. After this mess all companies in this industry should blackball him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
Yeah this tard monkey here.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
http://hardocp.com/images/news/12447...45Um_1_1_l.jpg
To Nathanael Draht/Wire owner of Aquatuning.....Fire this monkey publicly and drop the stupid trademark war and I will lose the signature I have. Or I can keep it as is...Your choice! I know you read this and I know your not saying anything and letting the lawyers handle this in the mean time. You may wish to reconsider what your doing and gain some faith back or your friend (the idiot monkey) will drag you down and you will have nothing left and your name will carry even less weight. All up to you my friend and right now it's on you to make this right again.
I can't say that Rudnicki dude is a bad person but he sure leaves piles of dung whereever he goes. If he moves to the States he will probably get elected president since we like to scrap the bottom of the barrel (at least since WW 2 or so).
Meh, agree with Snipe this thread should have stayed locked it's fast becoming very childish :(
I appreciate what you are saying. May I suggest:Quote:
Originally Posted by bluehaze
/Ignore thread
a little birdie tells me that AT is already seeking out of court settlements
i dont think there will be much productive discussion until the issue is resolved.
I just think its good to keep the thread active to raise awareness of the issue
so play nice or itll just be locked down again
I want to see the one responsible lowered to pan handling outside of Cebit next year since he is out of work
SIG'D
i also don't like to see larger corporations pick on smaller ones. i hope aquatuning.de gets liquidated and distributed to us WC'ers =)
+1.... sig it!Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
I just got back from holidays, so I missed out the whole story...but that's just insane!! I don't really get what they're trying to do there...I ordered a lot of stuff there, so good luck my rig is now ready, and I can get the smaller parts somewhere else...I really don't like it, when big companies try to be monopolist using such methods...I hope the even bigger companies (like Swiftech etc.) will know their stuff and know what to do against it...
Oh man, that story is just insane...and that right after the Feser thing...:(
now why do you have to use monkey...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
why not dog, or cat or even just a plain ol jackass?
In my opinion this thread stays open. Its proving to be a source of valuable information and then got tainted. My philosophy is that thread crappers don't get what they want by forcing a thread closed. Its called 'Motive'. Thread stays and personal BS ends.
Only problem is the big gaudy sigs that a few people are using now. I don't like what they are doing, and i don't plan on shopping with them, but can we dial back the sigs just a little please.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
I don't mind you guys expressing your feelings, but the big block colored sigs are a little annoying :(
I agree. The facts speak for themselves. Funny even AT can't maintain their defense here altough I still think they tried. Scamps, upon further consideration, I think you have actually been a victim of AT's misinformation campaign. Hope you have started on the path away from the darkside. Jealousy leads to anger which leads to hate which leads to envy which leads to frustration which leads to denial which leads to trolling which leads to moderators being driven crazy which leads to chasing Prozac with Jager bombs which results in my post count incrementingQuote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
DB, I have just 1 question....Who is this "Jupiter" you keep trying to speak to? :p:
Sorry. It is our closest genetic relative and I should have been more conscious in not insulting them so badly. But what was done was done I will just run with it. My sincerest apologies!Quote:
Originally Posted by kinghong1970
I really do thank you very much for keeping it open and allowing a few of us to protest what is going on. It shows a great deal of integrity when a forum allows it members to be able to speak freely when it's a good cause that affects us directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] riptide
That was the point. They are supposed to be big and annoying. Just think how they feel knowing some of us are carrying sigs like that. :up: Hopefully things change on their end soon as my own sig annoys me! :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
and the more effort they expend on this bs, the less they can devote to coming up with new products.
hmmmm.... i think i need to double sigs my font size :)