Just zeroing out the drive doesn't work IMO. I tried KillDisk and DBAN. And did 2 zeroes and both did not help. The only thing that worked was HDDerase which AFAIK doesn't zero out since it takes a few seconds to complete.
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Well, all I know is that Intel SSD Engineers state: "The Intel SSD datasheet claims 5 years minimum useful life and what they mean is regardless of your usage, your drive will function for the full duration. You might get far more than 5 years if you aren’t quite so rough with it."
So this business about hurting the SSD drive, I don't think they are as sensitive as people are saying they are. At least not the intels.
I'm not worried about the longterm life of the drive. My reasoning is that once I'm finished benchmarking etc I'll have it set up with less writes than any average user, and there will be something better along in a couple of years. I expect that defrag tools will catch up reasonably quickly on SSD and we'll have tools inside Windows to reclaim lost performance. A second 60GB drive will be added soonish,
The drive does what it's supposed to though, it's fast and silent.
:peace: I'm not anti Vertex. I was hacked off with OCZ for the Core and the way they handled it. IMO I was a beta tester for a miss-marketed product and I was not going to trust them again anytime soon after that. Fair play they gave me my money back but I invested a lot of time in it, which for me is more precious than money.
Just my opinion....the Vertex seems to be a very good drive, maybe a little rough round the edges and maybe not a true mainstream product quite yet, but plenty good enough for anyone willing to give it a shot.
Fair comment. They seem to be going great for me. There also should be another firmware update in 2 or 3 weeks also!
For anyone who wants to know! I finally found a decent method to defrag and or restore after new FW update ( Had problems with HDDErase and drive snapshot!)
:comp10:
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=53080
^^^^ Nice post on OCZ. I use Windows image backup...have you tried it? It's one of my favourite features in Windows, but it's only available in Ultimate versions. It takes 10 minutes to create the image and about the same to reinstall. It also compresses' quite well down to about 2/3rds of the data size.
No I haven't, I'm using XP Pro! I guess this feature will be available in windows 7 as well?
I think I will be doing a general upgrade when windows 7 is out, and considering the way SSD's are evolving, possibly a new SSD on the new SATA 3.0 standard, might get an AMD rig who knows?
So my girlfriend might be inheriting my Vertex's for Christmas Lol!
"But then again, do I REALLY need to upgrade?"
:shrug:
Yes, windows image is available on Win 7
a year from now, we buy so much faster drives that will drive the shift to get faster as the ssd progress.
I dont worry about limited writes, as the most is read anyhow.
Is raid0 with 3 drives worth it on a rampage2 extreme or should i just stick with one?
I just received my 3 x vertex 60GB and tomorrow i will receive the adaptec raid card then i will post hdtund , hdtach and atto result :)
Depends on what you're going for. Your app load times generally will not be much different between 1-1000 SSD's in your system. As apps don't depend a whole lot on huge throughput (depending on the app), which is all you would gain by adding more drives. If you're wanting 3 for the size, it would be cheaper and you'd get the same performance by getting 1 Vertex for OS, then "cheaper" drives for storage.
ICH10R numbers sure do look good with raid0!
:slapass:
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Is there anything special to do with these drives upon install? special tweaks etc.....?
i was thinking of picking 2 30GB models to use in raid 0 for a boot drive
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...99&postcount=2
This is what he is referring to. This is the easiest way to understand how to do it.
And if you want to know more about it then read this
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=48309
The 2nd link is rather overwhelming though.
so if we do a windows 7 64 install or a vista 64 install the alignment will be automatic?
You could do that yes!
But I personally would follow this guide!
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=52912
Possible new raid 0 firmware looks like it has allot of potential!
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=53212
Where are the reviews Anandtech, HardOCP, TomsHardware, StorageReview??? What are they waiting on? Does it usually take this long for hardware reviews to come out?
At this point I hope the don't release their reviews to soon.
This all looks to much like a beta product. To complicated to review and compare with anything other out there. Align this, tweak that, I was on this OS you were on that ICH while we were on that Raid card using this firmware... DAMN.
Maybe they should just take 2 drives One Vertex and one X25-M, use a standard Vista64 bit and test the drives out of the box. No tweaks or anything cause normal consumers depending on those reviews will mostly do none of them...
:flame:
I doubt the 'normal' consumer will buy a SSD at all considering their cost.
Besides you don't actually need to do any tweaks for the 'Normal' consumer to see fast performance.
This is like telling someone not to get a Ferrari because it can be tuned and tweaked, and you will receive free OPTIONAL performance upgrades that adds extra performance but takes some effort!
Perhaps this does make reviews more complicated, but as an actual vertex OWNER this is the way I prefer it!
I'm quite happy with the Idea of having a tailored f/w specifically designed to give my raid0 a boost! rather than a product that just stays at status quo and never evolves.
I really don't understand why anyone would complain about a custom firmware for raid 0 performance. They made the factory firmware for single drives that consumers could just drop in their box and go. If they can provide us raid users more performance with a firmware upgrade I'm all for it.
3x30GB Vertex RAID 0
Latest firmware :)
vista64 installed fully updated
DFI X58 ICH10R
workstation1
http://wright-pc.com/day187/workstation1-tony.jpg
http://wright-pc.com/day187/atto-3x30gb.jpg
http://wright-pc.com/day187/HDtune-3x30.jpg
http://wright-pc.com/day187/hdtach-3x30.jpg
day
so now after latest firmware all four 30/60/120/250 vertex = same performance ??
Anyone got MFT benchmark of the drive?
Thanks to all the people sharing benchmarks. Its looking promising. Anyone noticed the dreaded stutter after benching? Or any sluggishness when multitasking?
I know these are subjective assessments, but I'm a trusting soul :)
Very nice there day187, I look forward on getting my hooked up on my Bloodrage board soon just waiting for some good memory..
Dayum... time to fork over some cash and grab 3x60 GB's.. :|
My (3) 30GB vertex's which will be raided will be here tomorrow, and my x-25m will be here a couple of days later. Cost was very similar between the two setups.
Post a list of the benmarks you would like see between both setups and I'll do what I can.
^ cheers.
No it came at a good time because you still have time to decide!
I would bare in mind that this review was done on old firmware, and from the limited real world tests that was carried out there doesn't appear much in it, between the two!
Apps
http://www.anandtech.com/storage/sho...px?i=3531&p=29
Games
http://www.anandtech.com/storage/sho...px?i=3531&p=30
It might be worth putting your order on hold until we know how the new raid firmware performs, at which point I think it will be unlikely future FW will squeeze any more raw power out of the drives, but will just add more features such as TRIM & ACHI!
;)
The world of warcraft loading time difference is actually very large. Too bad they didn't do more tests so we could see if that is the norm or if it is an outlier.
Keep in mind that as time goes by those real world differences will increase more as the CPUs, RAM, etc. will get faster and SSDs will be stressed more. Right now you can put some slower SSD (like samsung SLC) by side with something that is a lot faster in every way (like x25-e) and the real world differences won't be anywhere as massive because there are other things holding the X25 back...
Man why didnt they update the firmware before posting the results? I guess i could hold off a week
What firmware were they using in the tests? I didn't see it listed. The 1199 newer firmware just adds higher sequential read/writes. It didn't affect the small random read/writes. So I don't think it would sway things all that much.
This is the new firmware I am currently waiting to test out, should be available friday.
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Some more Vertex benches....
My 2 Vertex 120GBers on my ICH10R I just got in today.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5215/64129144.png
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/834/v...9128dmewce.png
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6162/...dmewceatto.png
3x30GB Vertex RAID 0
Latest firmware 1199
vista64 installed fully updated
DFI X58 ICH10R
workstation1
http://wright-pc.com/day187/workstation1-tony.jpg
http://wright-pc.com/day187/atto-3x30gb.jpg
http://wright-pc.com/day187/HDtune-3x30.jpg
http://wright-pc.com/day187/hdtach-3x30.jpg
day
I noticed OCZ's site doesnt say 32mb cache for the 30/60GB models anymore. Only 64mb is mentioned. Does this mean OCZ has made 64mb standard across the Vertex series.... :confused:
i just got this drive, and just did a really quick bench on HDtune to get a few numbers instead of going through a full suite of benching applications. please tell me i'm doing something wrong instead of degradation:
bench of a freshly plugged in drive at the very beginning:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...TEX_1199-1.png
after a 128kb partition offset and the OS is installed, but NOT benched on the same active running OS:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...TEX_1199_2.png
benched on the same OS it was installed on:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ERTEX_1199.png
first two screen shots were done on my desktop with an e8600, 2gb memory, and a velociraptor as the active OS. the last SS was in a netbook with it being the active OS (but that shouldn't matter).
your netbook probably only supports sata1
Well i took your advice guys and got 3x30gb vertexs i should get them tomorrow. I love living in ny :D
Thanks you all for the great help.
If your on ICH10R they should saturate your on-board raid nicely. I might also add another drive, and then wait for a mobo that supports sata 3 and buy another 3 vertex's and saturate the onboard raid 0 again.
(just need a 8 sata ports board Lol)
AMD may be the first to release sata 3 capable boards.
Hey guys, I'm thinking of getting 2 or 3 30gb Vertex drives and using Raid 0 as I'm really impressed by the performance figures I'm seeing in this thread.
Would my UD3P Raid controller allow me to reach 500-600mb /s with these drives, or would I need to buy a raid controller?
My single 60g OS vertex drive makes my computer run a lot smoother than my overclocked computer with watercooling and hard drives ever did. That's for sure. I will probably add another one in the next few months, but it really isnt even necessary except for added storage space.
nope, you don't need a controller.
NICE!! Alright then. I'm waiting until the semester ends and then jumping on the SSD bandwagon.
Hopefully by then the Vertex V2 will be out so I can max out that SATA 2 bandwidth. Otherwise, 3 Vertex V1s for the win:D.
Here is (3) 30GB vertes's (firmware 1199) on the ICH10r of my P5Q-D
Windows 7 full install plus drives and some applications. About 30GB of 91GB used, and no OS tweaks.
I'm considering getting (2) of the 60GBs to use with my EVGA x58 Classified
These drives have been great thus far. My windows 7 boot time went from 72.883 seconds with my 74GB raptor to 19.671 seconds with my vertex array using the attached boot timer program.
Me too. Love my new Veterxes! Holy crap they're fast.
I got the older 0112 firmware from Tony, hopefully I'll be able to install Windows and actually keep it running for more than a few minutes.
Looks like FW1275 has been pushed back.
So I picked up a 30GB OCZ Vertex from Newegg in the recent sale, I plan on using it as an OS drive.
Any tutorials on how to install XP Pro on it and configure the best way possible? There's so much to wade through on OCZForums. Alternatively, I may decide to install Windows 7, or restore an Acronis image of my existing Windows 7 installation. Best way to accomplish that?
Ok, so the people that have only one vertex, is the stuttering is an issue? I sold my titan drive after 2 weeks cause of that issue. I mean is it gone completely like I can stream HD content and it won't stutter at all, on the titan I can't even watch a youtube video without it stuttering. Man so tempted to get 2 or 3 of these drives, I'm never gonna save up any money if I keep looking at the posts.:p:
Did you even bother reading the rest of the thread Rice?
Hi!
one doubt.
Last week I see a comparative between vertex and intel, and the guy who makes the comparative, also make another comparative between stripes sizes, I was looking for 2 hours but I dont see that post, anyone have the link?
Thanks
I have 3 30gb Vertex coming my way... I hate ordering on fridays though!
Firmware 1275 is out
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=52848