You're correct on that one, Chew. Deneb is meant to compete with the 45nm C2D and C2Q series, performance and price-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
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You're correct on that one, Chew. Deneb is meant to compete with the 45nm C2D and C2Q series, performance and price-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
err, my Q9450 gets 4.0 stable easily on air, 4.4 for math bench, 4.3 for 3d.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
and that's a low end C1 quad. AMD will be hard pressed to match E0's *air* clockability. I think it's in the extreme benching that their procs will pull ahead.
Prime 95 screenshots for a week or it didn't happen. 24/7 stability is oftenly misconstrued. winter air doesn't count ;)
That's weird... CPU-Z screenie shows Phenom II X4 920, not 940. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
lol maybe thats why they couldnt change the multiplier =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Karolis
Yeah look at its stock clock in the first SS, its a 920.... 2.8ghz
do you mean a 7 day stability test? ...um, sorry i must've misplaced that screenshot...:rolleyes: you're right, i just did a 10 pass IBT and then proceeded to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
and no winter air, this was a few months ago ( i think?) with closed windows.
I can meet up there also if you need more rides. I got a huge buick Im bringing 1 person but I can fit 2 more in back comfortably. What time are you thinking to meet there?Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Thanks AMD for having me out, was interesting to see frozen Chicago again.
The event went good and was tailored for the overclockers and enthusiasts with multiple forms of cooling, best of all you showed scaling. The only problem condensation proofing for the event and a board failed.
Good to see Sampsa and Petri cranking away at top speed, they did good to get up to speed quickly and looked professional. A brutal round trip flight time, hopefully you got to see some of Chicago.
As for the cpu score, ill respect the reviewers working to let them disclose in a few days.
Mikeguava went out with me to Chicago(thanks Mike), his first time to the area. AMD has the pics, Ill poke at Simon later to locate but I think the pics are on Petri's camera.
Go on, Give us a hint. Even a small one.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
gah, tease.
please told us only is phenom II @ 6ghz is good as c2q @ 6ghz ? :D
yes or no ;)
Oh you tease... Gave me a hadron then left me in the cold... :shakes::p:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
So would few days = 3 days from now? Saturday?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
:D
Afaik results will be posted the 20th.
Like I stated an average chip as yours via your claims appears to be better than all the decent core 2 duo's on air :rolleyes: does 3.6 air with the best air cooling possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slovnaft
If i had to guess deneb probably need's 600mhz over non xtreme I7's to be competitive which is why its priced there. It appears from what ive seen those average 4.2 on air, while this is an advantage it also appears from what i've read ( and I mentioned this to movieman quite some time ago ) that with the inclusion of an onboard MMC it also brought some form of coldbug. Juries still out IMO.
This leaves a perfect oppurtunity for AMD and I think they knew this and have exploited it.
I'll be there before 6pm, event starts at 6:30, will probably leave my house 3:30-4:00 as 93 is hectic around that time...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheKarmakazi
I don't want to turn this into a VS thread asi don't think either of us are. I think we agree that AMD will be most competitive with intel in extreme cooling, and unless intel works some stepping magic, a 6.3 benchable PII will likely beat out a 5.1 Ci7, which is i believe the highest we're seeing 3d stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
but lets continue this on friday :D
cool you'll be there? c-ya there.
whats everyones thoughts on higher OC with boards with out the onboard grafics. i know it wont make a huge difference.
are they using those boards just so those with them wont be disapointed? to show a low / avg. OC?
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Slovnaft
-- Sorry to continue the off topic --Quote:
Originally Posted by Slovnaft
You believe the performance delta is this big? From what I have been reading this seems way off. Ofcourse all will be revealed soon
-- Back On topic --
Keeps the reviews coming guys, things are looking good
again, i have no clue and we will see first hand on friday, but nehalem is an incredibly efficient architecture, and hyperthreading gives it an advantage in vantage (lol). 15-20% better is a modest estimate, and still just an estimate.
Chew, everyone...I will not be able to meet up at the best buy before hand. I'll be running a tad late, so I'll have to just see you guys there. I'll be wearing a black t-shirt that says "I am EnJoY"...so I should be fairly easy to spot. ;)
You're on a mission to absolutely confirm the day these will hit retailers! :P
http://www.mogulus.com/amdunprocessed
From the guys in Chicago
Phenom II X4 @ +6 GHz by Team Finland :up:
Link:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=210707
bummer i won't be able to attend the boston event tonight.
have a great time everyone!
i am not certain if I am able to give my invite to anyone, but if I am, does anyone who can get to the event in boston, still need an invite?
Guess i won't need the van then, I will just meet you gys at the door then. I will be bringing name tags so we will be able to tell who is who.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
Remember to find out when the release date is! Millions of people depend on this information!Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
The future of the AMD community is on your hands ...
ps: If you are discovered the XS forums including the Mods and its ppl will deny your very existence and your identity .
Jamie--if you see this call me i need to know what to bring. the power is out for like half the state (north of boston) and I'm at another town's library atm. i have 5 minutes of battery left.
oi where are you lot, you should have been back here ages ago :shrug:
come on then, spill dem beans :up:
Doesn't even start till 6:30 tonight, I'm in boston at best buy on one of they're pc's atm killing time.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundood
I hope PH II is good, I just started selling my intel rig to prepare for a new AMD system. :D
Currently found some old stuff lying around and I'm surfing on an old Socket 754 athlon 3200 :P
ooops, its 23.00 here in the UK now, funny the brit arogance for languages and time zones.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
good luck and have fun
I just did the same. My Q6600 system wasn't that bad. I admit I went blue to get my taste of Quad Core. I am planning to Deneb all my systems. Should have never went Intel in the first place. Sold the mobo, CPU, and RAM for 300USD so all is not that bad. ATM Newegg has a deal on their G Skill RAM for 49 buck 2X2GB of DDR II 1066. They should work well with the planned PII 940!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
Allright guys just got back. So much info to post.
First off I was limited to OCing actual rigs on display via amd overdrive and 1.45v not that the cpu's couldnt take it.
First system i personally played with was on a stock cooler.
With 1.45v i was able to achieve 3.7, i stuck with mutiplier ocing to eliminate all other variables. Testing method due to limited options was running quake wars in spectating mode so this was 3d stable.
Next system was on a mach 2.
With 1.45v using the same methods above I was able to achieve 4.8 via multiplier while running quakewars in spectating mode.
They also had a comparison demonstration with an C17 965 xtreme, after some persuasion I was allowed to view bios settings and options. I did this to eliminate any skepticism. It was indeed not crippled and running in triple channel. It was using an intel mainstream board.
Macci pulled IIRC 5.6 or 5.7 1.82v crysis 3d stable on kingpin F1 pot and 6.1 (1.9v?) cpuz screen on dragon evo pot.
Enjoy won a 4850 1 gig and his buddy that he brought won a 4870x2.
I won a cpu however unlike everyone else my cpu may arrive a few months later ;)
Everyone was great, I asked alot of questions and they answered all of them openly even questions they probably shouldn't have answered.
In the clock for clock performance category I was informed that Phenom II wil do very very well against intel counterparts.
Macci was great, answered alot of questions and we reminised on some old times namely 939 and manta.
All the boards used for extreme cold at this event were gigabyte 790GX versions. I can confirm that there were no volt mods present on any of the boards.
Matt was a great help as well as simon and they put on a great show kudos to you guys and its great to see AMD BACK IN BLACK
You also may see enjoy and I in a streamcast on video in the flesh
Here's a picture from outside the event as obviously I was not allowed to bring a camera inside.
http://members.cox.net/hoobahans/boston%20event.bmp
Any info about older AM2 boards compatibility?:(
Did you get an official release date to the public ? and grats on the win .
No release date other than those receiving cpus will see them in january so it's safe to say january.
As far as older am2 compatibilty I would think that is up to the motherboard manufacturer.
I might add I sense a change in the wind and this is just the beginning of more good things to come.
BTW don't shoot the messenger but from what i was told am2+ variants will indeed work in AM3 contrary to the rumours floating around the net.
Thats a nice way to play GRID on a big ass display , Jan mmm never trust what the internet says xD . Thanks for the update and I cant wait to see the new things to come :D
That was extremely valuable information chew*.Same goes for event report:up: .Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Just awesome.Congrats to you and all of XS members who won hardware at the event.
So after all am2+ Phenom IIs might end up working in AM3 boards.This indeed is logical since the chips should be,in theory ,the same.
Thanks again,great news all around :up:
Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
congrats on winning the cpu. it must be a special cherry pick cpu for you to get it months later :). nice recap of the event. i went to the one in chicago a few days ago. was it crowded at this event? the one in chicago was small. so am3 will work in am2+ board huh, very interesting. the grid game in a lan with the logitech wheel/chair is awesome. i can't wait to get phenom II.
Was a small event, movieman (dave) who I was supposed to be the guest of didn't show up, I'm starting to get worried. I'm hoping that his power is out and roads are icy so decided it wasn't a wise trip to take. Hope he's ok.
Nope, he said that [they told him] am2+ Phenom IIs will work in am3 boards.We have known for a while that am3 CPUs will work in am2+ boards.The vice versa was questionable since general opinion was am2+ Phenom IIs have only ddr2 controller enabled as opposed to ddr2/ddr3 controller in am3 chips. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dng
Not that complicated,but it looks that way. If what chew* heard was correct,than any Phenom II,even the first ones in January labeled as am2+ can work with both ddr2 and ddr3 ram.
On a side note half multipliers work in overdrive.
got it. i understood better after i read your post. phenom II will be my first ever quad cores. i can't wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
I'm kind of disappointed that there weren't any tests on regular watercooling there. There seem to be many tests on Phase and LN2, but very few people run those types of setups. There are many more people with watercooling. Anyone have any ideas where PhII will go on water? I'm guessing somewhere between 4GHz (air) and 5 GHz(phase).
sorry to hear that your buddy didn't make it. the weather was nasty here in chicago on that day too. amd rewarded the people who showed up. they're awesome. this is how you treat your loyal fans. intel is too stingy and their products are overprices :).Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Based on the scaling i saw and an educated guess based on previous hardware that scales similarly that i have used water would put an average chip somewhere between 3.8 and 4.2. These chips run very cool though, with good aircooling you will probably be able to acchive close to an average water cooled loop.
i was hoping for 4Ghz on air, but the on air oc record in chicago was 3.8Ghz. the heatsink they use was huge. do you know the name of that heatsink? i never use watercooling and probably will never use it, so i'm aiming for 3.8-40Gzh on good air cooling. i think it'll be doable.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
If the chip runs cool like chew says , then im pretty sure you can hit that mark .
Macci did no air results as he was flying solo tonight and trying to run 2 systems at once on LN2.Quote:
Originally Posted by dng
I easily managed 3.7 on stock cooler air with quakewars running @ 1.45v. I'm quite sure had I had axcess to the bios I could have gotten more and would have been able to Tweak for performance however that was not an option.
I forget what brand cooler they had on the bench next to macci, he even said what it was , I know it wasn't the TRUE 120.
Me personally I will be dusting off all 3 of my phase units and ordering socket adapters for my 2 machs ;) I will use my -50c liquid frostbyte chiller for video because they ( vid cards ) still unfortunately bug out and i have more control of temps with it.
First and foremost, it was great meeting those of you who attended the event tonight. Chew and I both spent some time overclocking a couple of Phenom II systems using overdrive and I have to say I was fairly impressed. One system we had did 3.7 with less than 1.5v on stock cooler...and as he said, temps were very low (around 45c under load).
Chew did a great job recapping the event already, so I won't ramble and repeat what he said, but a couple things. AMD seems very very serious this time around in regards to regaining the enthusiast thrown from Intel. Their mission is not only to offer fun, highly overclockable systems with very comparable performance to Core i7, but all at a fraction of the cost.
Macci did a great job at the show and was awesome to finally meet in person and have a conversation with. We discussed many of the minute details about Phenom II and reminisced about old times with S939.
Matt and Michelle from AMD marketing were both extremely helpful and also great to talk to. Both had clearly been involved with Phenom/Phenom II since the conception and had a lot of great inside stories for me regarding it's development process. One such story was about the discovery that the cold bug had been abolished by one of their lab engineers. The excitement and relief were both palpable in Matt's tone when he described the moment when he first heard this; again illustrating the serious effort AMD had been putting into Phenom II to improve it from it's successor.
Chew and I both did a small video interview individually (I guess you'd call it that) that you may see clips from at some point in the near future. It was simply regarding our thoughts on the presentation as a whole. Both of us were impressed and our comments certainly reflected this.
Lastly, it's important to mention that in the Core i7 965 system vs Phenom II 940 BE Crysis comparison, I was able to verify that both systems were running the exact same graphical settings, with the same cards. Phenom II had 4GB of ram, dual channel while the Core i7 had 3GB in triple channel on an X58 Intel reference board. The Phenom II had higher frame rates throughout the majority of the gameplay.
All in all, awesome night with some great swag given away by AMD. Thanks so much for having us guys.
Thanks for the updates folks and I'm glad you enjoyed yourselves.
I don't think I'll watch that. In my head chew is a cartoon character (see his avatar) so I don't think I want reality to shatter that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
Haha that avatar is a dutch power cow getting owned by xs in a crunching event ;)
Thanks for the info you and chew provided specially this piece of info about performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
If they used to said Phenom I is a failure... :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
then...
Phenom II is the madness... ;)
Many thanks for info guys!! :up:
I can't wait for new PhII to hit the shops!
BTW, EnJoY can you tell at what resolutions Crysis comparison was ran? Thanks!
Nice to meet everyone and kudos to macci for running two LN2-cooled rigs simultaneously. :toast: (Not that it was terribly difficult, just dump a thermos into each container once every ten minutes and sit back)
This event certainly shows AMD's seriousness about the enthusiast community, and Intel has a thing or two to learn in that regard at least.
Two chips were sitting there at 6 GHz for screenshots at the same time. The LN2 overclocking on these will be an absolute blast and a real treat for AMD aficionados.
I wish I could've hung around at the end to talk shop, but unfortunately I was a second away from puking for some reason so had to see myself out a little early.
Wonderful job done again by all the guys from AMD that made this possible. :up:
Somebody had 1 too many black dragons. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
No, I actually had nothing to drink actually. (I drove) and yet it felt like a hangover coming stupidly enough. :rolleyes:
Oh forgot to mention they kept the ln2 flowing for a little while on the setup running crysis at 5.6 or 5.7 can't remember and then procedded to let people play so it was more than just demo stable.
Enjoy and i had a good time and we finally met after living so close and knowing each other in the forums for over 3 years, we also talked about joining forces for some OC sessions so you may see some insane stuff in the near future.
the heatsinks they used for air are CoolerMaster heatpipe, double 120mm fanned monsters....
DFI already has a beta bios out for the 790fx-M2R crowd dated 12/1/2009 (i snagged and installed already), i am sure that the M2RS flavor is there too, gots the 45nm microcode, works fine with my 6400+ @3.5/3.6.....can't wait, saw a screenie on a rig with a SB600 @4gig+, so 45nm 4 core goodness for just the price of the cpu and a bios update at first,,,,,,,
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
laterzzzz..............
If the 940 BE will also work in future AM3 boards, it's even better, because it saves you having to buy a new cpu later down the road :)
My understanding was that it wouldnt, and it'd need to be the 945.Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
Edit : To be crystal clear on my understanding...
All AM3 Phenom II CPUs will also work in AM2+ slots. To enable this they will come with the standard memory controller they need for DDR3 in AM3, but also a DDR2 controller for AM2+.
The first 2 Phenom IIs will be AM2+ CPUs, and will not come with DDR3 controllers, or work in AM3 boards.
Well, in my head it's you. And your teeth are damaged because you've been chewing things, like your spanners for arms and legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
My bet is, the AM2+ have the DDR3 controllers, but since they are pinned differently and will not fit in the AM3 sockets, they will not be able to use the DDR3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halk
Folks,just search chew*'s last posts on the am2+/am3 topic and you will see he was told that am2+ chips indeed have a "combo" IMC,so they should work in am3 board later on.The difference between am2+ and am3 Phenoms seems to be in other respects,ie. lower power draw,better OCing potential,higher northbridge clocks(which should make it a bit faster per clock than am2+).Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
1900x1080 on a (40"?) LCD TV. One per system, side by side. 8x AA. 4870 1GB cards in both systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Btw, chew...any idea where the pictures and videos are going to be posted from the event?
I think they were going to update it here but its the weekend and these guys are probably pooped from traveling all week.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
http://www.mogulus.com/amdunprocessed
In that case I wish I'd bought cheaper RAM :PQuote:
Originally Posted by informal
Seriously though that means a fantastic upgrade path for people.
Take out A64 x2, throw it away. Plug in Phenom II.
Take out Phenom II. Throw away old ram from A64 x2 days, and motherboard from A64 x2 days. Plug Phenom II into spanky new AM3 board, with new ram.
Take out Phenom II and plug in whatever AMD come out with later.
A nice partial upgrade path rather than the new board every two weeks it feels like we've had.
I think the Austin event used a Cooler Master Hyper Z600 for the air runs. SOURCEQuote:
Originally Posted by bldegle2
I doubt that...Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
You may be right since chew* said that it was the impression he got from the talk with AMD's reps.It is very possible they misunderstood his question for am3 cpu -> am2+ socket .We need to wait for a while ,but if you have some juicy details(like you hinted :) ),then we may as well conclude it won't work like posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
How many pins are going to have the AM3 chips? 938? 936? If am2+ deneb have all 940 pins... well there is the answer. If AM3 sockets get all 940 holes it will be posible to fit this special am2+ denebs AND ALL AM2 chips too! i don´t think so! So AM3 will have less holes and AM3 chips will have less pins, that way they can fit in AM2+ boards but not the other way. Of course someone can try to cut those pins in AM2+ Deneb and see what happens. :D
:rolleyes: it's not about pins, it's about DRAM compatibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voodoo˛
I know that is about memory compatibility but I am talking about mechanical compatibility to be sure about how memory compatibility will be. It´s simple, if you have a Am2+ deneb count the pins, if there are 940 pins, that´s all you need to know. It will not work in AM3 boards.
I believe the above comparison was run at a resolution of 1900x1080. What I can't understand is how the Phenom II runing a dual channel system could possibly beat the i7. Gosh has argued that AMD in general has a leg in bandwidth but his comments caused a thread to be locked down. I don't know what to think ... If the comparison result is true what could possibly account for this? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
doesn't AMD have some kind of hybrid crossfire with the onboard gpu?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzman
so the amd setup has 4870+790gx (i think it's a 3 series chip?)
i didn't really get to this demo so i can't comment. I was too busy with the phase unit they had set up! was able to do 4.7-.8 at 1.45v around -48 , seems these chips will love cold.
a great time was had by all and it was a lot of fun meeting you guys.
You have been a big help in the past chew*, now you are continuing to do great work!Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Thanks for sticking to your guns.
Ray
Hibrid only works on low end 3000 series GPU's...Trust me, It wasn't even an option with my 790GX board and the 4850....Quote:
Originally Posted by Slovnaft
I ran the CPU bench mark several times and noticed it is only using max 50% of the Phenom I have. So it can't be scaling ...maybe 4870 and 790GX / 790FX and Phenom II (Dragon) actually run like a be-atch together...I dunnoQuote:
Originally Posted by Jazzman
Thanks for all the great Info guys :up:
Im surprised to see by what you guys have said that AMD intends for Phenom II to be a competitor to I7.
There is only 2 logical explantions for this and the latter being more feasible. Either there is more than just a 10% ipc performance increasement or.......AMD is really pushing the "dragon platform" so when you pair all the required equipment for a platform to meet dragon platform requirements it gets a boost in performance possibly due to optimizations of this specific platform maybe through drivers, bios etc etc.
As far as the am2+ compatibility of phenom 2 in am3 like i said don't shoot the messenger, I had mentioned to a certain someone at the event that it kind of seemed pointless to even make an am2+ variant in the form of an end of life product that would not be compatible with am3 and why not just release am3 chips only if backward compatible, his comment was who said that, i mentioned reading it all over the net, he said it was a rumour and that am2+ phenomII would work fine in am3 however am3 was even more of an improvement over am2+ phenom II.
Me personally I am waiting for am3 and I said as much, we shall see how my choice pays off.
For those interested this is the board that they were using for the intel comparison. All 3 blue banks were populated and bios confirmed triple channel configuration was enabled as well as turbo, hypertreading and oll that other stuff....etc it wasn't handicapped other than being in a board without alot of bling.......
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813121361
It used this cpu.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115200
I also noticed another rumour going around that they were only overclocking one core......its a rumour.
I tend to think your latter explanation is the reason for Phenom II performance besting i7 in this comparison. I hope so because it is the main reason I chose AMD over Intel. I have been drawn to the AMD integration of CPU, Memory, GPU, and Chipset. If the Bios and GPU drivers are optimized and the CPU + GPU + Memory + Chipset are optimized then you have a compeling answer to the technical superiority of any "one" element in an Intel/nVidia computing solution. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts so to speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
BTW Chew, I very much appreciate you unbiased reporting of the Boston AMD event, and I regret some of my comments regarding an Intel bias. I see now that you are a truth seeker like most of us here. I apologize for any hard feelings.
No problem.
I will admit i have a bias towards ati over nvidia though namely because every past nvidia card I have had and my friends have had has died, my 9700, 2 9800's still work to this very day as well as my x1800xt's flashed to pe and my 1900xt flashed to xtx. All have been massively abused. NF4 was the final straw.
Hey Chew*, since you were there and saw. How much better is a core i7 for Xfire/SLI? A well known Dr. without a Ph.D is telling us here that i7 is obviously best. And he's been to promise land and he's seen everything. :rofl:
Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
There was no comparison of sli/xfire on either platforms.
If I had to guess the entire platform as a whole with the least bottleneck is going to have the performance advantage In heavliy load quadfire, quad sli applications.
Which that will be I have no clue not really a fan of dual gpu solutions namely due to support issues.
Easy now, that sort of talk about Olympic athlete doctors can get you banned pronto.Quote:
Originally Posted by taurus_sel
i wish you could do hybrid crossfire with a 4870. im still waiting for the day that you can xfire a 3870 and a 4870. its probably way too late for that but there was hope in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slovnaft
so will I ever see TRI SLI on phenom II ? since i clocks better.
I haven't ever seen test on it with phenom I in sli or tri sli yet lol
Probably have to get a 780a board :down: .
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131292
I want that too, but not for the performance boost. I want a chipset with igp that can put my 4870 in stand by mode in 2d, using only the integrated chip. Would be great for power consumption and temperatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
it is about pins an their position ;) or to be more precise it's about holes and "islands" in the AM3 socketQuote:
Originally Posted by biohead
what's with the thumbs down ?........that board is horrible overpriced..... foxconn destroyer is better in multiple ways, and the one I had in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYoda34
I was saying thumbs down to 780a in general. Its more expensive than 790GX/FX and its not as good for OCing. It annoying that nvidia continues to make us purchase their motherboards to run SLI even when they don't have decent/competitive boards available.Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
And what would or could he have been reprimanded for?Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
He was trolling posts in the AMD forum with the direct intention of stirring up AMD vs. Intel arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
Sometimes that is against forum rules.
And it's later shown that Phenom II samples at the event wasn't special and didn't have "disabled thermal diode" like he suggested...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
But let's not go there anymore and stay on topic.
Yeah, that's why i only respect words coming from Blauhung if he can be considered as a sort of unofficial Intel rep around this part. He always stand up and explain stuffs regarding Intel processor and its technicality, but not going overboard by badmouthing competitors, as far as i can see. He doesn't behave embarassingly like a certain person "who" claimed as an Intel employee, acting as a goodwill ambassador to the OCing community in this forum. He made claims he can't back up regarding competitor, spreading FUD along the way, and can't seem to understand what a concept of humility is really.