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Maxxx - yes there was a temp sensor on the Max Extr NB. I ran it on LN2, so it was always under 30 even at 1.7v+. A buddy of mine, Jason, reports his Max Extr NB temps in the 50 - 60 range, on water - with NB voltage topping out at 1.73v.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxxx
@rob2k
Did you hit FSB 500 whit that QX9770 off yours? and are those new mem's doing well ?
Guys,
I have question - do any of you run a PCI-E raid card on this board?
Asking as I have an Adaptec plugged in. When the ICH9R is configured in bios as raid (as I have other hdds plugged in to the Intel raid controller) there is some very strange behaviour.
Firstly the ICH9R biuos screen is disabled completly.
Second all the drives plugged in the ICH9R are not visible anymore.
Adaptec raid works fine BUT whwn trying to install Vista it will not see the raid group I have created.
The only way to ge it to work is to make ICH9R in bios as IDE. Then Vista will see the raid group on Adaptec.
I have verified that ICH9R by itself work fine and also the Adaptec by itself (ICH9R bisabled in bios) works fine.
If you run a PCI-E raid card do you have the same issue?
Just flashed the board to 0403 bios. When i´m trying to overclock either it wont start or it get suck at iniatilizing usb. Have tried 500x8 and 600x7 and memory at 1600 and 1800. Is there any special thing i have to change. Or is it dividerproblem ? Please give me sugestions how i may achieve theese clocks :)
System:
Rampage Extreme ( 0403 )
E8600
G.skill PC12800 HZ 2GB
@MnM: err, stupid suggestion since I know you may have done it already, have you loaded the raid drivers for the Adaptec card during the Vista install? The part where in your supposed to select the partition.
@Turbodream: that's strange. I am also using 0403 with no boot problems. Though, I have never gotten to those speeds yet.
Been battling with the NB temp all day. I decided to run on an ambient room temp of about 31c to 33c. NB temp reads 41c idle from the LCD poster and 47c on a full load using OCCT ram test. Putting it back to an airconditioned room with about 21c to 23c room temp, NB temp drops to 35c on idle and 42c on load. I am still hesitating in pumping 1.5v on it.
Is 0403 the latest bios? I´m running water on NB and have around 39c idle. How high can i go on PLL and NB ?
So far, 0403 is the latest BIOS. Some say its safe to go up to 70c on the NB. After that, things become unstable. Am not sure about the PLL though, I try to stay as low as possible on that.
Ths is happening to me as well. I have the USB/DVI KVM switch and when I use the mouse and keyboard through that it never goes past "intialising USB".Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbodream
Keyboard + mouse plugged directly into the motherboard is fine.
maxx: when I have ICH9R as raid + adaptec adding ICons in Vista is fine except Vista will not see my raid on Adaptec.
This problem is a bios one. It seems that both ICH9R and Adaptec uses the same memory space for their respective bioses. I just whish that Asus/Adaptec will implemet the fix sooner rather than later.
Wow !! - away 1 day and the posts go crazy :) good to see this board becoming more popular.
Well I have my heat pipe assy off the mobo and what I thought was 7g of Arctic Silver 5 is actually AS thermal adhesive part B which I have been sent by mistake :rolleyes:. Need to order AS5 and new thermal pads for delivery Tuesday so been grouting the bathroom instead.
@EF - lovely build mate, must have large M/B stand offs to fit passive H/S to underside of M/B hence my question about case.
@3oh6 - good to see you back, are those long days regular for you ?.
@Maxxx - any pics of what you did with plastic washers when putting the heat pipe asembly back on the board ?.
@MikeMK- how are you getting on with the PI sticks ?.
@NiscoRacing - still nowhere near 500, not even 450, pulled the board apart to apply AS to NB and SB.
Looks like anyone thinking of buying this board NEEDS to apply a better quality thermal paste than what Asus has used which is holding this board back badly.
Thinking of using the thermal sensors on CPU, NB & SB when I put mine back together.
Is HyperPi on all 4 cores too much of a stability test ?, I mean in what real life app or game will load the computer up as heavily ?. Would be good for us all to use the same monitoring and stability testing S/W so that all our results are comparable .........
@rob2k: sorry but I wasn't able to take pictures. The washers are just made from a used pre-paid phone card which I cut into small pieces and put holes in the middle. Wish I could find better washers but it had to do. :(
I've been using Asus PC Probe II, CoreTemp and Everest to monitor temps and voltages, plus the LCD poster as suggested by EF. I just wish you can make the LCD poster cycle though all those stuff.
Hi Maxx, that sounds like a painstaking job making 12 of those, you must have a lot of patience !!!. I guess they are used on the underside of the board to increase the pressure of the springs and to stop the screws from bottoming out hence increasing heatsink contact pressure ?. Hmmmmm .......
Cheers for posting your test S/W. I have the same but need to get CoreTemp.
@rob2k: wasn't that difficult and I made 24 of those (2 for each screw). A soldering pen did the job for the holes. :D
Yes, they are in the underside of the board. I decided to put them when I pressed on top of the stock sink on the NB. I felt it kinda pressed down so I was thinking the screws needed more tightening.
only when we try to get new contracts and this one happens to have a lot of specialized hand soldering required that we are shooting for and being one of only a handful of folks that can do that kind of work...i could pretty much work 24 hours a day last week. so no, not really regular, but not un-common in spurts.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
well, stability testing is a touchy subject but one thing to keep in mind is that a system is only as stable as you have tested it. if you're just testing with quad 32M SPi (dual 32M in C2D cases like me), then it is just that...only quad 32M SPi stable. if it is Prime Blend stable for a few hours, then it is just that...Prime Blend stable for a few hours. each program can and will stress different components at different times so for full stability, you need a combination of everything. multiple instances of SPi, Prime (I like Blend for its work on memory), 3D (games and benchmarks), HCI Memtest, OCCT, etc...they can all find a weakness in an overclock.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
as an example for full stability testing in my reviews which are targeted at mainstream users i tend to go with 2 hours of Prime Blend, 2 hours of OCCT, dual 32M SPi using Hyper Pi, 30 mins of 3DMark 01 looped, 3 loops of 3DMark Vantage, and 2 hours of HCI Memtest for FSB and overall stability testing. for memory clocks, i do the same but drop the OCCT as it never finds memory issues in my experience. it is a compromise of time which is always a battle for a review, and actual stability...but a good one i have found.
for most anything i post in forums, dual 32M SPi is a good compromise of time and stability as it only takes 10~15 minutes to run and displays a 'usable' level of stability. dual 32M stable is usually 10~20MHz off the full stability testing above for memory, and most of the times fully 3D/Prime Blend stable for FSB clocking, or at least in the same ball park in my experiences. keep in mind, everyone has different levels of stability needs...sometimes you want to see 'decent' or 'full' stability testing which i would classify as dual 32M SPi or the whole slew of tests i outlined. some users here just want to see a single pass of 3DMark 01. you have a lot of guys here who can't wrap their head around the fact that a lot of us, when benching, just want to see bench stable...whether it be 1M SPi or 3Dmark 01, it is all some of us need in certain situations AKA benching.
as for temp/voltage monitoring, Everest and PC Probe II should be polling from the same sensors that show in the BIOS so aside from a bit of lag, should also be the same from the LCD Poster as i would imagine they are polling directly from the BIOS. i have shown all my screenshots with PC Probe II and the voltages/temps it displays are all bang on with the BIOS (aside from CPU when it goes wonky but that is what Real Temp is for). voltages are also pretty darn close...a couple hundredths off here or there from a calibrated DMM for vCORE, vDIMM, vMCH from the chokes and the DIMM slots. so needless to say, close enough to know what i set in the BIOS. as for Core Temp vs Real Temp...they use different tJunctions so they are 10C different, with Core Temp reading 10C higher. believe which ever one you want, to me, with my ambients...Real Temp seems more realistic under load :shrug:
man, that turned out much longer than planned, but at least now you guys know how i feel about stability testing and monitoring software ;)
Should i put memorys in the blue or white slots, is there any difference ??
white slots are designed for higher clocks, like most every motherboard these days.
Thanks 3oh6 for taking time to answer in such a concise way - you know your stuff :up: :up:
I now know what to shoot for when my rig is back in one piece and not thrown around the back bedroom. Short tests to gain confidence in CPU, FSB and MEM speeds and then prime, vantage, etc to prove long term system stability.
Well, they are here and they work - beyond that i havnt pushed them at all. They are in my SIIE atm, and I prob wont push them until my RE gets back here (should be tues all being well!)Quote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
thanks, and no problem, you are bang on with your methodology. start low and work your way up with incremental bumps. only touching voltages as you go one at a time so you get a feel for what does what.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
using dual 32M as a stability test as you go then when you hit limits, work your way slightly down with Prime, OCCT, etc...for full stability testing. that's how i do it and it works well and goes relatively quickly once you get a feel for the setup.
Well guys they said I could send my board back so off it will go tomorrow, hope by next week sometime I should be in action again with the Rampage.
Move my memorys to the white slots. And when i dont have any USB connected i get past the intializing usb thing. But hey i need keyboard and mouse :) Don´t get it
Last weekend we (team BenchBrothers) tested ASUS Rampage Extreme. Unfortunately we got weired vcore-issues.
Vcore higher than 1.6 gave about 0.1 volt less. Highest possible vcore was 1.70000 which resulted in about 1.59 volt real. If we set 1.70625 vcore dropped to only 1.1 volt real :eek:. If we set higher, vcore went up but never higher than 1.59 real - even at 2.4 volt set in bios we never had more than 1.59 volt real - no matter if we set in bios or if we used TweakIT. :shrug:
Does somebody have the same issues?
As you go up in FSB/RAM frequency, Northbridge becomes more sensitive to temperature increase. At default 333Mhz FSB, the NB can go up to around 70ish degrees without compremising system stability. But with a higher FSB speed, it will become unstable, and maybe not even able to boot. Thats why reducing the NB temperature absolutely helps with FSB overclocking. In my experience of X38 and X48 chipsets as long as the NB temp is under 47 degrees under load the temperature will not limit your FSB overclock. Any higher the overclocking margin will start to reduce.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxxx
Thanks mate. I used the low profile Enzotech ramsinks so it does not touch the motherboard plate. It's actually low enough that all of my motherboard standoffs clear the height.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
I'm just waiting for a BIOS update now to get it to work with my other set of ram, and in the mean time enjoying some game time with it. :D
I tested a RE
The stock heatpipe unit was like TM's no contact at all and could not bend it to make it fit so went to aftermarket cooling 'no big deal'
Problem is when cooling the chipset with cool water below 24c temp via bios reading any voltage over 1.401v including auto and the board will not post
Once I turn off the water and chipset goes over 25c it will post with nb voltage on auto to 1.7v+ no problem and once I post and set voltage/fsb and then turn water pump and get chipset to even 10c with ice water inside windows Im fine untill i have to reboot which then results in a no post
A very weird issue which made me stick with air for now and I dont even use a fan for the thermalright nb cooler as when I bench test in the AM when ac is on and house is cool, as even then the nb can be below 24c and I can't post at over 580mhz fsb, :rofl:
vcore tho is fine as is all other aspects of the board just a weird x48 issue which Ive seen happen on a p5e64 evo board so I guess this happens to some.
Hmmm wonder if thats why i was having problems with teh CPU on LN2.
Hey CCC -Quote:
Originally Posted by CCC
How far up have you been able to get the vcore?
We need a new bios.
I have identified some issues:
- I have DVI USB KVM switch and if that is plugged in the board will not go past "initialising USB" message in bios
- pluggin in a PCI-E raid card will disable the onboard ICH9R. Not only that but Windows can not be installed on either hdds on raid card or ICH9R. Making ICH9R IDE (not raid) allows raid card to function properly. Removing raid card allows ICH9R to function properly
- performance with PCI-E raid card is sub par by about 30%!! That is a huge hit. Same PCI-E raid card and hdds in another motherboard works well (+30%)
I have emailed Asus about some of those problems:
"Dear Valued Customer,
Thank you for contacting ASUS Customer Service.
My name is Lyn and it's my pleasure to help you with your problem.
As you know, due to the limitation of BIOS ROM size, there may not be enough space for Adaptec BootROM to be written into BIOS when you use two RAIDs.
However, please update the Adaptec Raid card firmware firstly to have a try."
Of course I already tried latest bios for my raid card before they emailed me. I know the raid issue was present before on other motherboards but a new bios fixed this. I just hoe that Asus did put 8MB bios chips on those mobos (x2 of course as there are 2 bioses) cause as far as I know anything less than 8MB will not allow PCI-E raid card and ICH9R to work together.
I will keep you guys posted on the progress of those issues that I have raised with Asus. I also suggest that you log a call with Asus for any issues you find - help/force them to work on better bioses!
Got a new reply from Asus:
"I have passed your problem to our relative department. They may need to do some tests about the problem you described.
So, please wait patiently.
As soon as I get update from them, I will notice you at first time..."
rob2k (or anyone else running a QX9770) can you please post your bios settings (CPU overclocking page only).
Too many setting and not sure what values I should try ....
Good work encouraging Asus to fix bios issues MnM - would have expected a few more beta bios's by now especially as the M/B seems very choosy as to what memory you have.
My board is still in bits but AS5 should have arrived today so I can refit the stock cooling and then start to push this board. Will post settings as soon as I'm back up.
Hi All,
My first post here :D
Whats the latest on the NB Heat problem?
Noticed a earlier post about washers under the stock cooling screws helping, has anyone else tryed this?
I also use a hardware PCI-E x8 raid card as per my sig, but haven't noticed any performance loss when used on the Rampage Extreme. Maybe it is isolated to Adaptec cards? What is your RAID setup? I am getting exactly the same performance as I did on all the other motherboards.Quote:
Originally Posted by MnM
Also which address did you use to send the email to asus? I'll like to give them a kick up the backside and release some new BIOSes.
Well, my RE came back to me today, and it works!!! YAY! installed windows already, although not done any tweaking yet... tests to follow over the next few days :D
new bios - 0404 Dated 8/11/2008
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/view.php?id=746269&da=y
(thnaks Kensek - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=198260)
Awsome. Will give it a try. :up:
Cool mate, thanks for the update. Will surely give this a try when I am back from travel....Quote:
new bios - 0404 Dated 8/11/2008
Btw, how do you guys flash the bios? Via a floppy? Flash disk using the utility in the BIOS?
TIA...
Just tried my stable settings for 0403 on the 0404 and it has rejected my pair of D9GTR. Now I'm just trying the 0206 BIOS on my second BIOS chip, and the clock twister is not functioning correctly, with some options giving the same memory performance.
Back to 0403 for me then. :(
Thats not good... will give 0404 a shot later and see how its doing. Currently priming at 4ghz as a starting point, so once Im happy with that I'll flash :)
Thanks for bios post MnM - will try that for sure later. Did they send you this directly as a fix for your USB & RAID issues ?.
Just got my rig back together with AS5 and washers!. SB temp 27 & NB temp 33 shown at idle in the bios. Not pushed in yet as this was gone midnight last night or should that be this morning !!. NB temp seemed to settle at 54 in windows using Asus Probe II.
Maxx - can be a touchy subject, general advice seems to be not to do this in Windows using the Asus update. Personally I use EZflash from within the bios. Others will only ever use a Windows startup disc and then the AFUDOS ______ dos commands to update with battery in and out to ensure a clean flash and complete clear of the CMOS. My method is to put the new bios on a memory stick, load default bios setting, update in EZflash (just point it to bios rom on memory stick), again load defaults then input my new settings - remember save and exit at each step after loading default settings.
VCore Droop (Idle -> Load) is bigger with Bios 0404
Bios 0403 = 1.152v Idle / 1.112v Load
Bios 0404 = 1.176v Idle / 1.112v Load
i must increase the vcore to get same settings stable.
@rob2k: Thanks for that tip. I do use the same method. Just wondering if the floppy method is better. I guess its the same result.
Regarding the washers, thanks for trying it out. We seem to have almost the same temps. Your ambient must be lower. What did you use by the way?
@rddave: I have tried it but was confused when I got a 35c idle NB temp. This is because I heard that the x48 is really hot. And if you use the sink provided with the Rampage Extreme, ensure the contact of the copper block on top of the NB and the sink.
Bios 0404 needs more vcore to be orthos stable to me. Use same settings as in 0403 and no go. So i´m also went back to 0403
Hi Maxxx, I used an old students union card ! - makes me sound young but lets just say that I am a mature student ;)
Not much of a summer here in the UK but room temp is 18-20C. Will push things tonight and see what I get under load - was touching 70 before - think it was 67. Coupled with new bios and new memory I'm hoping for some good quad results.
Good info Chri$ch - wonder what the drop is at 1.375v ?
Just speculating about what can be done using the dual bios capability of this board.
I have flashed to 0403, I guess I can go in there (the bios) and change the bios chip that I boot from. Then flash that to 0404, have a play with that, then if I don't like it just go back in there and change back to boot from the 0403 bios chip which already has my good settings preserved.
Can anyone confirm this is possible ?.
rob2k: seems to be possible since you boot from any of the bios. correct me if am wrong fella's...
Guys, is the G.Skill still the best memory (at the moment) for this motherboard?
Guys, just had a slightly worrying thing happen to me! I'd primed the RE through today @ 10x400 1.32v with mem 1600mhz 7-7-7-18 1.9v and no probs whatsoever. Just did it so easily, and i was pretty pleased... especially after the SIIE!
Anyhow, i shut down, and then when i switched on the PC it wouldnt boot - it just did the whole continual switch on or switch off thing, either that or all the lights came on and nothing happened. After much fiddling i got it working again, when I went into bios, it had changed the FSB to 433mhz, and my voltages to 1.9v vcore!!!! 2.4v NB, 1.5v Vdimm - they were all over the place, no wonder it wouldnt boot. Luckily no damage was done. After correcting the settings all back up and running fine.
This is on 0403 bios. Has anyone else experienced this - obviously this is a potentially serious issue.
how come Idle use more V then load?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chri$ch
Eternal fantasy: which backplate did you use for your Cpu block?
Do you think this ddr3 set Mushkin HP3-12800 4096 MB, PC3-12800, 1600 MHz, 8, Non-ECC, Kit Of 2 would be any good for this mobo?
Anyone know when it will be released in the USA for purchase?
any one what the clock generator is for setfsb on this m/b
thanks baz
works like a charm...there are two physical BIOSs on the board. you don't even have to select from the BIOS which to boot to. you can choose which BIOS you boot from with the LCD Poster/TeakIt, or a jumper on the board :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
ICS9LPRS919BKL...HTHQuote:
Originally Posted by bazx
ICS 9LPRS918JKLFQuote:
Originally Posted by bazx
I used the one that came with the Asus Silent Square Pro CPU cooler, as it has the space to avoid the ML cap. I have no experience with the mushkin memory, and with the pickyness of this board reguarding memory I can't give you an answer.. 3oh6 seems to have a pair tho..Quote:
Originally Posted by Nguaroth
Try googling "VDroop" :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by mr2sw21
Can you update your sig so we know your latest setup? :D Also if you can post your "extreme tweaker" settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMK
If you can't get CellShock DDR3-1800 Black then yeah I think G.Skills are your best bet. Corsair may be compatible too.. but not too many reports on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxxx
Of course. The joys of BIOS flashback! Flash yourself out! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
hmmz i can't use the back plate that comes with the block then i guess? because there is no hole in it? I'm having some real issue's to find a backplate that would be compatible here in belgium ><.
@3oh6 Do you think that these mushkin's will work on the mobo?
you'll have to be more specific, please list the whole part number when discussing memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nguaroth
Mushkin HP3-12800 4096 MB, PC3-12800, 1600 MHz, 8, Non-ECC, Kit Of 2Quote:
Originally Posted by 3oh6
eternal_fantasy= ICS 9LPRS918JKLF
3oh6= ICS9LPRS919BKL...HTH
hehe thanks lads atleast i am a little closer:D
it's hard to say. my Mushkin Ascent PC3-12800 2x2GB CL7 kit hates this board with a passion. i am assuming because it is Micron D9GTR/GTS based, which the RE clearly has issues with, even in 2x1GB flavor. it really is a load of crap that you have to "guess" which memory will work well on a $450 board. my advice, stay away from anything that hasn't been tested by someone here. with that said, the CL8 kit you are referring to is likely not Micron based, or the newer Micron ICs so it would likely have a better chance of running without issue than the higher end Ascent CL7 kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nguaroth
it's SetFSB, they should both work fine ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bazx
cool thanks
Sig now updated.Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
Ive done some more investigation into the problem. I havnt had the issue with the voltages again, however whenever I shut down the PC, the nextime I switch it on it wont post. All the lights come on and nothing happens - if i clear cmos, and then reload my overclocked settings it works fine until the next time i switch the PC off - v. frustrating. Remember the settings below are 9hrs prime stable!
Settings are as follows:
ai overclock tuner: Manual
OC CPU lvl up: auto
OC Mem lvl up: auto
FSB 400
CPU Ratio: 10
CPU Clock SKEW: auto
NB Clock SKEW: auto
PCI-E Freq: 100mhz
Dram Freq: 1601mhz
Command Rate: 2N
Timing: Manual
Primaries set 7-7-7-18, not tweaked sub timings yet, so they are all auto
ai clock twister: Auto
ai transaction booster: auto
CPU II Phase Cntrl: Auto
Vcore: 1.325v
LLC: Enabled
CPU PLL: 1.55v
VTT: 1.312v
GTL 0: +40mv
All other GTL's: Auto
NB v: 1.40497v
Vdimm: 1.908v
ND DDR vref + Channel refs are all auto
SB 1.5: 1.51106
SB 1.05: 1.06039
All spread spectrums: Disabled.
Any ideas? I cant verify exact voltages with the exception of the vcore as everest isnt picking up either voltages or temps for anything other than the CPU, and PC Probe II reads massively incorrectly (temps at 255 degrees apparently, and voltages at 67v!!! LOL!)
Which also leads me to the question, can anyone post read points for this board so I can set my DMM onto it?
this i have encountered. with my Micron D9GTS or D9GTR, it is stable as a rock as certain settings, but sometimes i won't get POST. sometimes i get the startup/shutdown cycle, sometimes i just get weird POSTs and have gotten a couple corrupt BIOSs for no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMK
with the G.Skill Pi 2x2GB kit, never happens.
i am leaning on memory issues. i have been able to bypass having to clear CMOS and load settings with just taking one stick out, POSTing, turning off, installing 2nd stick again. sounds stoopid but is usually works :shrug:
I think I may know what the problem is. I had similer problems when I watercooled via the Fusion block, and when raising the VMCH to over 1.6V, the system wouldn't boot. Whereas when I used my own waterblock, it boots fine at 1.75V+. I think when you try and restart your NB is too hot, and it don't like to be hot when booting, but it's fine once you enter windows. If you can try and aim a powerful fan on the NB area when the system is off, and see if you can get it to turn on.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMK
That sometime means something is overheating or unstable, or similer to when the motherboard doesn't like the clock settings and you lose CPU cores...Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMK
My CellShock D9GTR sticks are the most compatible sticks I've used, and no such problem as you've described, responsive to voltage, POST fine on restart. Corrupt BIOSes? which sticks are you using? :shocked: I didn't even know memory can corrupt BIOS! No startup/shutdown cycle, that only happened on the 0404 BIOS, of which NONE of my 4 pairs of DDR3 memory work at it's rated speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3oh6
Thanks for the help guys. I'll raise the NB a notch and see what that does. I'll also play with the mem. BTW, what is ai transaction booster exactly? Is it performance lvl by a different name, or something completely different?
Ive started tweaking the mem to get around 1800mhz stable so i can run around 450x9 rather than 400x10. Not sure if that will help the problem.
Oh, and I agree about the temps. For all the fancy cooling on this board it doesnt do a great job. I noticed it was getting high and this evening I spent some time taking the cooling off, cleaning it up and applying MX2 on everything. Im still getting around 50-55 degrees on the NB by the looks of it. I dont think it will be too long before I switch to water. I have everything I need here, appart form maybe a HSF for the SB.
As for PC probe, I think its just misreading the sensors. I have had the LCD poster displaying temps and voltages at different times to compare, and they read completely differently (i.e. they are normal!) to what PC probe is saying. Everest seems to read the board as a rampage/Maximus which might be why that isnt reporting the correct info.
Regarding the GTL, yeah, it does help. I have one core significantly weaker than the other 3, and just adjusting that GTL a touch seems to sort it out. Ive had the same thing with this CPU in other boards too, and it saves me from shoving more vcore through the CPU than it really needs.
Well this was an extremely informative thread - very helpful for an Asus Rampage Extreme hopefull (waiting for it to be readily available in Canada). Getting ready to buy/build the new system the second it hits the shelf.
Now - reading over all these posts I realized something I hadn't fully considered - RAM compatibility - with everything you guys have been through has a concensus been reached on which RAM is compatible and which is not? The last thing I want to do is spend $400 (CDN) and get bad RAM that goes with it.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated - like a top #3 proven working RAM or something :)
Thanks,
Spent a few hours tweaking now trying to run at 425x9.5 but can't get Prime blend to run for more than 60 seconds but no BSOD's under normal use (surfting, itunes, etc) - think i'm missing a vital setting that this board needs. Have dropped the multiplier to 8 to eliminate CPU issues and mem timing is loose at 9-9-9-28. Will post what I have later tonight but from memory I have tried Vcore is 1.375-1.395, LLC-DIS, VMCH 1.48-1.55, VTT 1.3, PLL 1.5 , VDIMM 1.94.
Will try EF's comments in red on Mike's earlier post tonight to see if that helps - thanks for those.
What is the common setting for DRAM Static Read Control, DRAM Dynamic Write Control and LLC ?
MikeMK - how did you discover the weak core and what GTL value was needed to correct it ?.
Found the most informative review of this board so far over here :-
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.p..._motherboard/1
@3oh6 ok i gues ill try them out. But whats the isseu you have with the ram then? it just won't boot?
You could always cut your own hole in it with something like a dremel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nguaroth
I used a drill and some tinsnips :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rockqc
My Rampage and Cellshock 1800 d9gtr. x48 Air-cooled :up:
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...uraRampage.jpg
which air cooler are you using? Is that clock for using 24/7 ? cuse thats quite high :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimi.Rk
cpu cooled to liquid, x48 cooled to air stock cooling, strap 333, performance level 6 :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nguaroth
[QUOTE=Turbodream;3217258]This is my 24/7 for now.
[QUOTE]My ex p5e364ws Evolution e cellshock 1800 d9gtr strap 266 pl6 :D
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...3_Cattura3.jpg
My ex Foxconn Blackops strap 333 pl7 and cellshock 1800 d9gtr :up:
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...202147_p05.jpg
[QUOTE=Kimi.Rk;3217580][QUOTE=Turbodream;3217258]This is my 24/7 for now.
well done on that Evo.Quote:
My ex p5e364ws Evolution e cellshock 1800 d9gtr strap 266 pl6 :D
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...3_Cattura3.jpg
When I try these settings I get anotther D4 code... :/
[QUOTE=ToyTen;3217607][QUOTE=Kimi.Rk;3217580]evolution is a big mother card but rampage extreme with new creed bios are better according to me. Does your d4 depend give her ram? Excuse my English :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbodream
Disable both the controls if you want to overclock the board and increase stability. Enabling LLC reduces the VCore needed at idle, however at load as opposed to having VDroop where the VCore drops around 0.6V under load, you get a slight increase of VCore. I would recommend leaving this disabled and raising the voltage to compensate for the VDroop, as people have had problems with LLC in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
Nice results! how stable are those? prime? orthos? OCCT? screenshot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimi.Rk
And I wonder wonder where you got that idea in your sig! :rofl: Glad we both agree on the crappyness of the Striker II Extreme. :up:
Also what is this "new creed BIOS"? and which version are you using?
Very nice! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbodream
Great to see more people are posting their results.
Here's something to get you quad users started.
http://gallery.me.com/jeffrey_lee/10...12187453650001
FSB 450
CPU Ratio 8.0
Skews AUTO
Strap 266
DRAM frequency 1803
Command Rate 1N
DRAM Timing Manual
CL 7-6-5-18
All other DRAM settings AUTO
Read/Write control Disable
Clock Twister Moderate
Transaction Booster Manual
Performance Level 6
Voltages as in BIOS:
VCore 1.34375
LLC Disabled
CPU PLL 1.51106
FSB termination 1.31216
All GTL AUTO
Northbridge 1.44472
VDIMM 1.98806
Vref AUTO
Southbridge 1.5 1.51106
Southbridge 1.05 1.06039
Spread Spec Disabled
This settings uses the parts in my signiture, and have been extensively tested, with minimum stable voltage + a slight overhead margin for insurance.
Note that I am using watercooling, so the voltage I need only applies to watercooling the NB and CPU. Aircooling may require a significant increase in voltage to acheve the same stable settings due to heat. With larger amount of RAM you man need to additionally raise the VMCH.
Happy clockin' ! :D
I'm having the same problem with my 4GB (CSX-Memory: 4096MB (2x 2GB), Diablo Kit, D9GTS) kit the boot cycle and weird post,Quote:
Originally Posted by 3oh6
And my (4GB (2x2GB) CorsairTwinX XMS3 Dominator, DDR3 PC3-14400) i just cant get stable at 1800MHz :shrug:
deffo need a bios for the 4GB kits compatibility..
day
Hey all... not done too much tweaking in the last 24hrs (my 4870X2 arrived which was a distraction lol ;) ) but just wondering what those of you using 3rd party cooling are using on the SB. I have an evercool VCRE and an enzotech copper cooler here... any idea if they will fit?
Here is my solution :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MikeMK
http://www.me.com/ro/jeffrey_lee/Gal...12176099370001
The SB heatsink from an old Asus P5B Deluxe. To be honest any kind of small heatsink that can be stuck on the SB will be more then sufficient at cooling it, as the SB really don't produce much heat.
Thanks mate... looking at that I think my enzotech should fit quite nicely. Looks like the stock cooling is going this weekend ;)
Hi All, haveing read through this thread I am pretty sure that i will be taking off the stock cooling on this mobo.
Just need you thoughts on a cooler for the southbridge?
I was thinkig of something like this... http://www.thecoolingshop.com/produc...oducts_id/2884 its the Enzotech SLF-1 Pure copper Low Profile Northbridge Cooler.
Just wondering if it will be good enough seeing as i will be using the cipset raid and not a raid card.
rddave I think you should be safe , they are all generally a standard size and seating arrangement.
Thats exactly the enzotech cooler I have here. If you can wait till sunday (earliest chance I will have to get the board properly watercooled) then I will confirm if it fits ok :)
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Originally Posted by MikeMK
Thanks Mike, really look forward to seeing your results.
ATM i have no option in waiting, as i am still in the process of building the system :shrug:
I brought a Enzotech CNB-S1L in the hopes of fitting it on the Southbridge, but the holes are quite some way off. I think they are designed towards Gigabyte and DFI boards... Now it is on my RAID card :D
I guess you can try using thermal epoxy, although that will be a permanent attachment, or thermal adhesive tape.
Guys im going to jump in here, I do NOT have an RE yet but I know why certain IC's work on some boards and some do not.
DRIVE STENGTH
Samsung needs weak drive, much like the old TCCD did, Micron needs stronger drive, some of the IC's need really strong drive.
Talking to Praz who has been beating on the T2/3R for weeks now he mentioned the cellshock issues that DFI were having and how he got his to work...a massive increase in drive, he then mentioned he had found the sammy DDR3 needs next to no drive on the T3R where the micron needs a lot more drive.
So, those saying cheap and chearfull OCZ :shocked: need to look at the bigger picture here, I have found all newer bios files on Asus boards are being tuned away from Micron and more to Samsung based modules, I spent 14 hrs tuning some sammy using 1.25V NB on the P5E3 Premium at 2000MHZ 8-8-8-26, the ONLY way this ram would stand a chance of doing this is if it needed next to no drive at all, with Micron running the exact same speeds I need 1.5V+ on the NB.
I asked Asus to add some kind of memory drive to the bios files on ther X48 Premium, they need to do the same on this board, so it gives the owners of Micron dimms a chance of hitting some awesome speeds, and those dimms that don't work to well will suddenly start clocking well ;)
DFI did this ages ago with the NF4, I had a board purely tuned for TCCD, it would not even boot with Micron or Hynix DDR1, thank god they changed the boards prior to sale so it worked with everything.
Motherboard manufacturers are in a FSB race at the moment., along with that Asus have entered into a memory overclock race fueled by screenshots of 2500MHZ+ memory....ofcourse they want more as they have to win, hence why bios files are tuned around those dimms that do these incredible speeds.
So pester Asus to add DQ drive etc bios and the Micron based memory etc that may not work so well will stand a chance.
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Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
Interesting, not quite the news i want to here :eek:
Wonder if one of the EK water blocks would fit :confused: without fouling the graphics card. Also i'm using 1/2" ID tubing for this rig.
Great to have your knowledge here in this thread. However please post back when you have a RE to test your theory. What you said may very well be true on the P5E3 Premium, but remember that the BIOS is very mature on that motherboard. Rampage Extreme on the other hand have had 2 BIOS releases not counting what came with the board, which have functions advertised missing. Of the 2 released BIOS, 0403/0404, with the former I was able to clock my D9GTR kit to what I was able to on other motherboards (BlackOps/MaxiEx), but with the latter it won't post. Both BIOS will not alow me to POST with D9JNL kit, and both BIOS is unstable with my Samsung 2.2GB kit which works flawlessly on my Maximus Extreme. At the moment it is purely BIOS immaturity in my opinion. By your logic my D9GTR kit should not clock as highly as I could, as it didn't "stand a chance", or my micron kit just need low drive strength!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Another issue I have with some OCZ memory is that we have to manually "tune" the motherboard to get it to run at rated speeds, where as other memory manufactures' memory is almost a plug&play affair. Having owned a VERY cheap OCZ DDR3-2000 2x1GB kit and having it run at 1600Mhz 9-9-9-28 so the motherboard would BOOT is not a very cheerful experience, where as my Cellshock runs at DDR3-1800 7-6-5-18 as simple as dialing in the clocks in BIOS.
Which OCZ kit would you recommend that would allow me to clock it to DDR3-2000 8-8-8 on the Rampage Extreme with no more then 5 minutes in BIOS, and I'll hold you to your word and buy a pair to try. :up:
Hi Tony - good informative post ! - is there also a bios tuning for 2x1Gb sticks Vs 2x2Gb sticks ?.
Thanks for posting quad settings EF. Struggling with mine at 425FSB, threw everything at it and my settings were very similar (looser memory & higher VMCH volts as on air). Dropped back to 400FSB with 7-7-7-18 C1 timings and raised it to 415 for a compromise between CPU O/C, Mem FSB Vs timings and NB heat, still need some more test runs but this was giving 10700 memory read in Everest, 4160Mhz CPU and 20378 3dMark06 - on air with stock cooling.
Thinking that a new bios is needed before I can raise FSB on quad and 4Gb combo.
I don't need a RE, I already know that boards are being tuned for samsung, I can tell thru all the testing i have been doing on the best clocking boards...such as the P5E3 Premium.Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
What you need to ask yourself is this, these kits that work better, they used to be Micron, but i bet 90% of them are now samsung. I can take a 4GB Micron kit running 1800 8-7-7- with skew adjustment and replace it with a 4GB samsung kit and i do not need the skew, I need less NB vcore and in some cases less Vdimm. Samsung is clocking a lot better, boards tuned to it clock even better still.
The addition of DS and DDS on the T3R bios has opened up the board for Samsung and Micron based memory, all I asked is that you had an open mind to what i was telling you and please remember I have 100GB+ of DDR3 here and over 50 motherboards, I base my results over a large hardware test, not just the 1 or 2 kits a standard end user has.
The next topic you need to talk about is the clock on this new board, has it been improved over the clock on the p5E3, Anandtech conducted an experiment replacing the clock on a ME a while back, I just wish they had published more results..all we got was a teaser. I have a feeling the clock on the RE is of a lot better quality than that on the older boards, hence why its easier to clock up with less skew needed.
Try to remember board clock ram, the quality of the board and the clock signal to the ram is paramount. Remember when A64 came out and BH5 suddenly started doing 2-2-2 at DDR500? This was due to massively improved clock signal and MCH overall; older boards were pushing the same ram to 230ish tops if you remember.
The other item i want to clear up is the talk of D9JNL or D9GTR, this means absolutely NOTHING. Micron have die revisions every month, even different week codes of different IC's can make a huge difference.So just because you have JNL does not mean its going to be a good or bad clocker,It just means you have a specific build, nothing more. The specific die rev is what you need and the week code that goes with it, such as week 30 to 33 BH5 which did DDR500 with 2.8V, or one of the 4 or 5 good weeks of TCCD that did ddr600 2.5-3-3-8 with 2.6V.
Bios engineers and motherboard manufacturers completely control the memory industry (especially the enthusiast companies) everything they do dictates how well the ram will clock, so if a new IC comes along and pushes the envelope higher with a board then the bios engineer will tune the board to get the absolute max from the board and that memory...they call it "patching" the board, it goes on all the time. I actually patched the bios on the old NF4 boards to be memory friendly, I forced bootup timings and made DFI's board boot well with anyones memory, it also clocked well with the tables me and Oskar finalized on. So as you see boards have massive control of memory, I just wanted to highlight that its very easy to tune a board to suit 1 type of memory which will make it harder to set up with another type, hence give us DS and DDS and allow us to fine tune the board for what ever ram I have...Samsung needs weak drive, micron strong drive and the new Elpida may need moderate drive...so please give us the options to be able to set this in bios.
I didn't ask you to try a RE to confirm if it is tuned for Samsung. I asked you to do it because the current BIOS tuned for Samsung or not are not compatible with many memory brands, including Samsung IC ones. So what you get from the P5E3 Premium does not represent the RE. This is a RE thread, and unless you have a RE to at least contribute on memory settings or compatibility, your P5E3 results means NOTHING to us. Maybe as the BIOS matures they start to behave more similarly, but not at this point in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I use the D9GTR/D9JNL loosely to identify my 2 sets of CellShock memory, which incidentally, uses D9GTR/D9JNL ICs. To me the only difference between them are the ICs. I don't know.. maybe the RE don't like the colour blue? I'm only trying to be logical here on why one pair would run perfectly and the other would not allow booting into windows.
Remember that your 100GB+ of DDR3 and over 50 motherboards result also means NOTHING when the 1 or 2 OCZ kits a bog standard end user has does not work at advertised settings with his 1 motherboard. When we have the choice of spending money on memory should we spend it on something that are guaranteed to work or something that "may work, just give it time and tune"?
And after your wall of text, you still fail to address the second half of my post. Why do we need to spend a week tuning GTLs and Skews to get OCZ memory to run at advertised speeds, when competing manufactures seems to be plug and play?
And please recommend a pair of OCZ memory capable of DDR3-2000 8-8-8 on the RE that runs at it rated speed without weeks of frustration tuning it.
Please tell me the part number, and I will gladly buy it and see if it runs on the RE as you discribed, with the speed and no skew adjustments. If you are so sure about the RE that you don't need one to test and confident on the integrity of OCZ memory, then I am more then happy to trust you and buy those memories. But note that if they are not as you discribed, then it will be posted together with your comment. Don't worry, I won't create drama for the sake of drama, and I sincerely hope they are as good as you say.Quote:
I can take a 4GB Micron kit running 1800 8-7-7- with skew adjustment and replace it with a 4GB samsung kit and i do not need the skew, I need less NB vcore and in some cases less Vdimm. Samsung is clocking a lot better, boards tuned to it clock even better still.
I do not like to use orthos like, occt or programs perche in the past they also gave mistakes with everything to default I prefer to use area3d and I try with games for hours ... however my arranges and building and the ram to at times try it with you put under dos and it is all OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
Lighten up EF, due to Tony's hard work not only OCZ ram will benefit but also other vendors rams, think we have similar issue on P45 with DDR3 when using high FSB and ram speed... The boards need more time and hopefully the bios engineers will get their act together to support more ram or make the bios more compatible (I know at least one guy that works pretty hard on it)... ony thing is that Asus has zillions of boards and development might be a bit slower then the end user expects...
Maybe this time it's OCZ that has the most issues but I've had numerous times other vendors ram too that had to be run under stock speeds to be just compatible... with decent feedback from the end user we all will benefit...
On the situated asus the bios 404 had appeared and it is now missing again???? :eek2:
It is still there..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimi.Rk
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...mpage_Extreme/
OK infinite thanks! But perche took away him? Does any problem maybe have the 404?Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
However I use the bios 301 now. Did I hear a lot of good with the microns d9gtr say the 404 does not go?Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
I'm using that same cooler on the southbridge. It can be mounted by rotating it to about 2:00 and the mounting holes line up. It's not square on the chip, but covers it completely. With AS Ceramique I'm getting about 4-6 C lower than stock. The big improvement was a TT Extreme Spirit II on the northbridge.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
Hi All,
Just had the stock cooling of the MB, and yes the TIM is the same on mine as on others shown.
Also noticed that on the bottom of the stock metalwork on the screw holes that there is a little black plastic washer of ~1mm thick, do you think that removing them after reapplying TIM would get better cooling results on the stock cooler?
I removed those washers and I changed the thermal paste and it is OK all ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rddave