Nvidia confirms GT-200 with 1 billion transistors

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Originally Posted by DilTech

I'm actually expecting a 512bit bus.

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Me too. Hoping for 1gig ram as well.

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Anyway, I'm hearing a late may-early june release, just thought I'd add that.

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That sounds yummy :)

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

The interesting part will be the high resolution & details with AA/AF, where the card will have a greater advantage over resolutions lower than 1680x1050 ( when compared to the GX2 )

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Exactly my point. New games which uses a lot of textures are crippled by only 512mb per core that the g92 has.

This can be surpassed already by the g98 or whatever is the Q2 refresh that nvidia is holding for us.

(i corrected your resolution typo in the quoted text)

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

LoL and this is where I call BS on you.

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Good to hear that :down:

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

You may know what Nvidia is releasing but you have no idea what AMD will compete with.

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How come ? Are you inside my brain now ?
I know things, but not enough to have a crystal clear image, or "allowance" to mention more things that I did.

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

You make it sound like AMD NEEDS more ROPs.

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If you want to game with 4xAA + you NEED them.

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

HD4870x2 may or may not be able to compete with GT200 but it should be a very interesting product and I have a feeling it might surprise some people.

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Everything's interesting. Even a new revolutionary light bulb is interesting.
Thing is, with what I've seen we're about to face another Anti-Aliasing & Anisotropic Filtering limited card, yet with worse IQ than G8x/G9x/GT200.

Biggest issue in this situation is AMD's economy.
nVIDIA is playing "wait & strike" with AMD. If the HD4870X2 is good enough to beat let's say the 9800GX2, they can release a new card derived from GT200.
Even a new G92b dual card will more than likely do the trick.

Call me whatever you like, fanboy ? :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana: ? BS ?
I want ATi to be really competitive again ( if not surpass ) with nVIDIA, but the lack of a real high end part ( yet again ) and the architecture enhancements they seem to carry on the new HD4xxxx series... doesn't look good and surely not revolutionary.
We're bashing nVIDIA for their transitions from 65nm to 55nm with G92b.
On the other side ATi is doing the same ( HD2900 -> HD3xxx -> HD4xxx ) while they "can't afford it" because they're already lagging behind, they're not having a performance and/or IQ advantage like nVIDIA to have the ability to release new stuff that differ just a tiny bit from their "predecessors".

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

Everything's interesting. Even a new revolutionary light bulb is interesting.
Thing is, with what I've seen we're about to face another Anti-Aliasing & Anisotropic Filtering limited card, yet with worse IQ than G8x/G9x/GT200.

Biggest issue in this situation is AMD's economy.
nVIDIA is playing "wait & strike" with AMD. If the HD4870X2 is good enough to beat let's say the 9800GX2, they can release a new card derived from GT200.
Even a new G92b dual card will more than likely do the trick.

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amd´s economy affects them, but if the cards are beter than current and as priceworthy, they are good cards and enough for the year to come.
its not we need that much horsepower ;)

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Originally Posted by flopper

amd´s economy affects them, but if the cards are beter than current and as priceworthy, they are good cards and enough for the year to come.
its not we need that much horsepower ;)

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You forget how the market works.

Don't forget it's only one billion trans. That is not upped much from the previous generation, so they cant' cramp everything you have mentioned with such a tight transistor budget.

It's really funny when ppl saying they know something about either of the card :D

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Originally Posted by GAR

Why is nVidia rushing all these new products when most games in 2008 will be console ports, and current hardware should run them just fine :confused: milking people for money?

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i dont know what console ports you have been playing, cause most run like crap on current computer hardware, freaking idiots never take the time to optimize, cause they have the other marketing idiots rushing with dollar signs in their eyes.

aside of coarse from the hardware most of us here at XS use, which if we had to explain what we use and how we have tweaked it to the normal person, it would probably make their head explode.

Let me also point out that while I usually lean towards Nvidia, ATI releases perfectly good cards, many people around here use ATI cards obviously. ATI's problem is not, not being able to release good products, their problem is they are not able to release "omg what the heck is that in my ac duct, hope it doesnt eat me!!" cards, as Nvidia does. ATI has problems (now) competing with Nvidias Flagships.

in lamens terms. I look at (and use) and Nvidia card and think, omg, holy crap, i need a cage for this thing!!!
then i look at (and use) ATI cards and I think, good price for performance, this.

so when are the leaked benches from chinese websites gonna be out?
early june?

3$ says b4 end of May...for rv770.
typical blockbuster weekly dvd rental for that.

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Originally Posted by grimREEFER

so when are the leaked benches from chinese websites gonna be out?
early june?

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thats a very good Question:cool:

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Originally Posted by adamsleath

3$ says b4 end of May...for rv770.
typical blockbuster weekly dvd rental for that.

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Funny, the your post doesn't concern itself with the topic of the thread...

:)

Perkam

BenchZowner you have gotten my hopes up, if the card doesn't come soon or isn't as powerful as you said my little framerate czar will be gunning for you :D

I am amazed you are still responding... Can't we just agree to disagree?

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

How come ? Are you inside my brain now ?
I know things, but not enough to have a crystal clear image, or "allowance" to mention more things that I did.

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No, I am not in your head... I am just reading what you post.
I read between the lines of your posts and pick up some interesting tidbits.

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

If you want to game with 4xAA + you NEED them.

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Really?
This is why it makes me so hard to believe anything you say when you say hilarious things like this.
AA is done on the shaders. 480SPs clocked at +900mhz will be fine.
16ROPs clocked at +900mhz w/ tweaks will also be fine.
Please remember what G92 is doing with "only" 16ROPs...

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

Thing is, with what I've seen we're about to face another Anti-Aliasing & Anisotropic Filtering limited card, yet with worse IQ than G8x/G9x/GT200.

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How do you know this?
R600 IQ is on par with G80/G92, R600 has better AA and worse AF.
I would consider that a wash.
I don't see RV770 being AA limited, especially when it, probably, shouldn't be used on a monitor higher than 1680x1050. I also don't see it being obviously held back in the AF department, at least doubling the TMU/TFUs and tweaking some other things should alleviate the lack of texturing power that has been haunting the architecture.

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

Biggest issue in this situation is AMD's economy.
nVIDIA is playing "wait & strike" with AMD. If the HD4870X2 is good enough to beat let's say the 9800GX2, they can release a new card derived from GT200.
Even a new G92b dual card will more than likely do the trick.

Call me whatever you like, fanboy ? :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana: ? BS ?
I want ATi to be really competitive again ( if not surpass ) with nVIDIA, but the lack of a real high end part ( yet again ) and the architecture enhancements they seem to carry on the new HD4xxxx series... doesn't look good and surely not revolutionary.
We're bashing nVIDIA for their transitions from 65nm to 55nm with G92b.
On the other side ATi is doing the same ( HD2900 -> HD3xxx -> HD4xxx ) while they "can't afford it" because they're already lagging behind, they're not having a performance and/or IQ advantage like nVIDIA to have the ability to release new stuff that differ just a tiny bit from their "predecessors".

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Here is another spot where I have to disagree with you.
AMD has some OBVIOUS advantages go into this next round and while they may or may not take the performance crown, they will certainly be MORE than competitive with whatever Nvidia can throw at them.

Heh some guy on Beyond3d Forum have said that GT200 is THREE times faster than GF8800GTX in 3D Mark Vantage :) Could it be true? I`d expect something about 2 times faster maybe 2,5 in some situations but 3 times? It`s impossible imo. What do you think?

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Originally Posted by Barys

Heh some guy on Beyond3d Forum have said that GT200 is THREE times faster than GF8800GTX in 3D Mark Vantage :) Could it be true? I`d expect something about 2 times faster maybe 2,5 in some situations but 3 times? It`s impossible imo. What do you think?

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I certainly can do no more myself other than speculate, but if that's true Nvidia can count on receiving my money just as soon as they'll accept it :rofl:

I've been waiting a long time for a G80 "killer," and I really do hope it comes out sooner rather than later.

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Really?
This is why it makes me so hard to believe anything you say when you say hilarious things like this.
AA is done on the shaders. 480SPs clocked at +900mhz will be fine.
16ROPs clocked at +900mhz w/ tweaks will also be fine.
Please remember what G92 is doing with "only" 16ROPs...

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Please provide some proof that AA is being done in shaders on the RV770. A well informed friend of mine told me AA is being done in ROPs with this new chip. I'm not saying you're wrong, but what is the source of your info?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

AA is done on the shaders. 480SPs clocked at +900mhz will be fine.

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I wouldn't reply to this, as it's not my game to play the stubborn guy over disagreements but... 64 SPs vs 96 SPs ( the so called "320" & "480" SPs ) isn't that much of a difference.
I've run games with the HD3870 @ 999MHz and still it sucked b***s with AA & AF enabled.

I hope this time they got it right ;)

VR-Zone have said the have got some info about Rv7700xt performance which is about 2 times better than Radeon 2900Pro in 3D Mark06 (9k vs 18k). If it is true then it seems that ATIs Midrange GPU Rv770 will be as fast as NVIDIAs Highend solution??:confused:

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Originally Posted by Barys

VR-Zone have said the have got some info about Rv7700xt performance which is about 2 times better than Radeon 2900Pro in 3D Mark06 (9k vs 18k). If it is true then it seems that ATIs Midrange GPU Rv770 will be as fast as NVIDIAs Highend solution??:confused:

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link?

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Originally Posted by shiznit93

link?

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I can't remember the link but here's the pic I saved from it

http://userdisk.webry.biglobe.ne.jp/...c8f3d3857e.jpg

forbidden error.

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Originally Posted by shiznit93

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There is no link with 3DMark pic buy only info.

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=267700

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Originally Posted by Barys

There is no link with 3DMark pic buy only info.

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=267700

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Not to be a killjoy, but this is fake.

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Originally Posted by Fake Radeon HD 4870 benchmark...

In times where we want more facts, or just a clarifications whether it's Western or Eastern rumors that are closest to the trust, people have started to post obviously fake benchmarks. We're starting to get used to this by now, and sometimes the attention seekers put a lot of work into the forgeries, but not this time. At Chinese forum zol.com.cn, a user has posted a screenshot with GPU-Z where the name says "ATI Radeon HD 4870", cores says RV770 and node says 55nm. So far so good.

Then you look at the die-size; 153mm², and the ID; 1002-9589. These are for Radeon HD 2600XT (RV630). It doesn't stop there though. The next screen shows a finished run with 3DMark 06; 18,297 points, with an AMD Athlon 4400+ overclocked to 3,186MHz...

If we take the SM2.0, SM3.0 and CPU score and calculate the score we get 15,017. And then we have the fact that he used the wrong fonts for the stuff he pasted into the picture.

In any case, we just wanted to let you know that this is just a bunch of crap.

http://www.nordichardware.com/image3.php?id=4923

http://www.nordichardware.com/image3.php?id=4926

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Source: NordicHardware

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//Andreas

Thats quite nice for a Single GPU card, but they used a 4400+ for benchmarking :(.

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Originally Posted by Barys

Heh some guy on Beyond3d Forum have said that GT200 is THREE times faster than GF8800GTX in 3D Mark Vantage :) Could it be true? I`d expect something about 2 times faster maybe 2,5 in some situations but 3 times? It`s impossible imo. What do you think?

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Dunno about the hardware speculations, I seem to be a lot more sceptical than you people.. However Nvidia is using optimized drives for Vantage from what Ive read :). Optimized drivers could boost the score quite a bit, no?

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Originally Posted by ANP !!!

Thats quite nice for a Single GPU card, but they used a 4400+ for benchmarking :(.

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Come on! Read the text! It's fake! ;)

//Andreas

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Originally Posted by Neuuubeh

Dunno about the hardware speculations, I seem to be a lot more sceptical than you people.. However Nvidia is using optimized drives for Vantage from what Ive read :). Optimized drivers could boost the score quite a bit, no?

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Every driver is an optimized driver... I don't know what you're talking about... that's the whole point of drivers.

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Originally Posted by Sr7

Every driver is an optimized driver... I don't know what you're talking about... that's the whole point of drivers.

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Yeah, but I believe he means that the rumor about GT200 being 3X faster than 8800 GTX could be comparing GT200 with a Vantage optimized drivers vs. 8800 GTX with an older driver.

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Originally Posted by shiznit93

forbidden error.

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try copying the full url and opening it,
clicking the hotlinkgives an error

it doesn't matter now it's posted and proved fake though,
just usefull info for opening forbidden links in future

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

Yeah, but I believe he means that the rumor about GT200 being 3X faster than 8800 GTX could be comparing GT200 with a Vantage optimized drivers vs. 8800 GTX with an older driver.

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I'd imagine someone who supposedly knew GT200 scores had access to drivers to run it, as well as the 8800GTX on the same special drivers though. Or maybe it's all BS. :)

You knew all along BenchZowner :D

So how fast are we talking?

GTX 280 same speed as 9800gx2 in games that optimize SLI power (CoD4, CoH come to mind) and 25-30% better in games that aren't?

well, im starting to think that the gtx 260 will be faster than the 9800gx2 and 4870x2

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Originally Posted by grimREEFER

well, im starting to think that the gtx 260 will be faster than the 9800gx2 and 4870x2

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we can only hope

Is this real?

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http://resources.vr-zone.com/newzhun...0/3dmark06.jpg
The resolution is 2560x1600

BTW Its a single card still in ALPHA stage and has very less driver support thus it scored so low 3d mark 06 only 16K someone tells me it can score around 19-21K when launched.

Update #1:

These are not a single Q6600 you really think we have any normal machines in the lab.

The are two Q6600 (LGA 775) processers on a twin socket motherboad on a new nvidia chipset.

If no one knows XFX also produces M/B and our relationship with nvidia is stronger than most companies.

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doubt it

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Originally Posted by C.Ron7aldo

Is this real?

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Old & Fake

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

LoL and this is where I call BS on you.
You may know what Nvidia is releasing but you have no idea what AMD will compete with. You make it sound like AMD NEEDS more ROPs.
HD4870x2 may or may not be able to compete with GT200 but it should be a very interesting product and I have a feeling it might surprise some people.

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An interesting point is that 8800GT and 9800GTX only have 16 ROPs, although they have 3-4x the texture units (56 to 64 vs ATI's 16). I think that 16 ROPs are sufficient. The main problem is the lack of texture units.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi..._9800gtx/4.htm