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I commend you on your completly awesome rig jcool. It's tempting me to do something similar.. However would anyone happen to know which waterblocks would fit this motherboard properly? I mean there's a lot of blocks that support these mounting holes (socket 604 holes right?) but also this close together? I don't think an EK supreme would fit..
I'm using the EK supreme waterblocks on my S771 dual system.
Works fine .
Thank you for your praise :)Quote:
Originally Posted by oerekum
This is a Dual S771 system, and the EK Supreme does fit. You just have to build a backplate for it, or find one. Eddy from EK has told me that they are in the process of making a full set for this mobo as well, meaning NB/SB/PWM and 2x CPU :)
Swiftech MCW60002's with 604/771 mounting kit.
Not the best performers ever but probably perfectly fine for this.
Wow thanks for the info guys! I'll look into those things. I'll also have to have a serious discussion with my wallet about this.
Something to keep in mind with HS and waterblocks for these systems.
socket 604 and socket 771 have the same measurements on the board for mounting BUT the cpu's sit at different heights.
This is old news but with all the new people getting into dual socket boards needs to be repeated.
If you use a socket 604 HS on a socket 771 board the HS will not make full contact with the cpu.
Socket 771 cpu's sit lower on the board than the 604's did and the HS for them have shorter "posts" to allow for the difference.
App 3/32" if I remember and I learned the hard way.
Instant 92C on clovers when I tried it..
Scared the crap out of me and you never saw a system shut down so fast.:D
Be carefull..Make sure the HS is for socket 771 not socket 604.
Thanks for your advice Dave :)
Thankfully, height difference doesn't bother you when using Thermalrights or waterblocks.
Depends on the Thermalrights.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Your HR-01X's are designed for socket 771 so no issue but someone who didn't know could grab a pair of TR's designed for socket 604 and get a big surprise. This is what I ran into in December 2006 with the clovers.
Bought 4 Coolermaster HS's that said they were for socket 771 but actually had the longer posts for socket 604.
That's when I saw the 92F when I booted.
Pulled the HS, looked at the bottom and was just maybe 5% light contact.
Couldn't understand why and then got a brainfart, grabbed a stock Intel HS for 771 and put them base to base.
Posts on the Coolermasters were app 3/32 longer but at that time this was brand new and no literature out there on it.
Just mentioning here to save someone making the same mistake I did.
I don't think there are any Thermalright 604's...
Anyways I was talking about waterblocks, no such issues there :)
Depending on the heatsink style you can shorten the posts.. or remove them completely.
:wasntme:
Hmmm...? ;) You're eager for the HW to arrive I suppose :D
Don't worry, you'll have that beast up and running by next weekend :up:
@op - you wanna run that bad boy thought my x264 HD benchmark? There are quite a few dual quad systems that have run it.
Don't do it unless graysky runs WCG ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by graysky
You talkin to me? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by graysky
If so, my machine's already there.. 3rd fastest overall rig if that is still the case ;)
Sh*t! Since we're on the 9th page, I actually forgot you were the OP!Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
No problem. Signature helpin a lot there :D
Off topic? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by graysky
That would Never happen in this section. :ROTF::ROTF:
Now if it remained On-Topic we would have to investigate to find out what went wrong. :D
He's still holding out on us with that 45nm x3360 crunching goodness :stick:
Hello, I'm looking to buy this board and found this to be the only thread on the net talking about it. Any ways, I'm looking to use it as a "hackintosh". Have any of you guys tried to see if any of the latest versions of the modified OSX 10.5.2 DVDs found around the net, work?
Thanks,
P.S. Sorry if this topic is not allow on the boards. I also follow the OSX forums but no one there has built such a system yet.
Erm, OSX.. :shrug:
Sorry buddy, I'm not a software guy. I just throw my XP x64 on everything and it works a treat (and I'm glad it does).
Hi everyone,
I have been researching this type of build for about 4 months, it would appear that jcool's machine is one of the very best if not the best for the price.
jcool, could you please post your current bios settings? I'm using some different vid cards in crossfire mode, I'm waiting on the bits o machine to arrive but my build will be similar. I have found an interesting card that has a great review and puts out good numbers on OC for very cheap.
what do you guys think? (the 512MB version) HIS IceQ Turbo HD 2600 XT
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...1&limitstart=1
Fudzilla quote:
"As for overclocking the card, we didn't have any trouble in doing so, in spite of the "out of the box" overclock. After trying out a few combinations we ended up at 938MHz for the core. An impressive overclock, probably thanks to the IceQ cooler. Although the memory chips aren't directly cooled by it, we managed to overclock them to GDDR4 speeds, 1098/2196MHz. We were just a couple of MHz short of the GDDR4 reference clocks, 1100/2200 MHz, but this is an impressive score for GDDR3 chips. Almost 800 MHz above the reference 1400MHz."
So with 2 of them OC'd and crossfired I should get good graphics performance. 1gb GDDR3 at 1098/2196MHz with two cores running @ 938Mhz for $120? (after rebate) Sure there's only 240 process pipes vs 640 on 2, 3870's but it should still game besides 2 3870's are $360, maybe later...
:up: Wow- jcool your build is worthy of a book, I know I have read your thread lots of times! or front page somewhere, it's mostly affordable, say about $3K US for a finished machine with OS. Vs- $6K for similar or worse numbers, but of course you have to build it, not just buy it, but that's half the fun.
I will list what I have in my box after I get it running.
ZIO
Thank you very much :)
Actually my build is about ~1100€ + tax, so that's not even 3000$ depending on the current €/$ relation. If you factor in a bigger Vid card 3k is about realistic.
Bios settings are not that special, just flash to latest bios and set everything according to your preferences. You can leave all precache and EIST/C1E options enabled, and be sure to enable the SF bypass. Also I'd change the PCI latency timer to 32 but that's about all there is to it.
About the GFX, do you want it to have any 3D power at all? Cause a 2600 isn't really more than a HDTV accelerator... get at least a 3870 if you want to game.
Oh yeah, make sure you get an EPS capable PSU or you won't get to have fun. ALso added this to the red headline inj post #1.
Mmm....if you want to test the board, and have only 1x Xeon installed, you don't need the 8-pin connector, only ATX and 4-pin.Quote:
Also note: You NEED an EPS capable PSU, meaning you HAVE to connect both an 8pin and a 4pin 12V power connector to the mobo. If any one is missing, the Z7S will NOT post.
Just some usefull/useless info :)
Good, useful information.Quote:
If you use a socket 604 HS on a socket 771 board the HS will not make full contact with the cpu.
Socket 771 cpu's sit lower on the board than the 604's did and the HS for them have shorter "posts" to allow for the difference.
App 3/32" if I remember and I learned the hard way.
a Little more then: This board ships with 3x different length "posts" to screw into the backplate, to accommodate different mounting posts on various incarnations of Xeon heatsinks. As Movieman stated above, make sure to use the correct length that will assure good clamping pressure on the cpu.
Who tests/runs this mobo with one CPU?
If you want the full package, you need EPS. Simple as that.
There might be a few guys out there who might have funds for only one cpu.
Not everyone could afford dual setups, and it was just handy information. so, as I mentioned, if you have this board, with a single Xeon, you don't need the 8-pin on your psu.
Your statement in the first post was ambiguous, that's all - the one above more accurate.
Simple as that, thought I'd clear it up ;)
If you can't afford a 2nd CPU, you won't be able to afford a 350€ motherboard but go for a 80€ one instead. Simple as that ;)
Of course there are some people who buy one CPU now and the other one later, but even then they need EPS. Unless they want to upgade their PSU, too, which makes no sense really.
Hehe - good point.
For the record - I did buy the board, have 2x E5430's, 8gigs of ram, 2x SAS 146gigs, etc :)
Oh yeah, before I forget, the PC Power&Cooling 1KW Turbocool PSU too - so it seems I am safe.
Hey, quick question - how's your ramsonks working for you? The new ones you got......
I got Ram, turned out they were Apple compliant, with the huge heatsinks, and I had to return them and order ones with the std thin heatsinks.
Do the new ones you have work well?
Unfortunately- I couldn't buy them.. to much for shipping.
Those RAMBOCK heatsinks are awesome, I had to get single-pipe ones from www.gogofan.com they are by some other company but the specs on them are very similar except they are single-pipe.
"Masscool RAM Heatsink"
There is another in the UK called Xilence which shares a similar design. But they didn't respond to my email. So I kept looking and found the Masscool Sinks.
I saw a review where sinks like the ones I bought dropped temps on RAM quite well.
http://www.hard-h2o.com/review/disip...-cooler_2.html
So I bought some RAM heatsink clones for my machine :)
ZIO
Yeah, my Rams were also made for Mac Pro it seemed. But even though the stock ramsinks were huge (see page 1) I found they were way too hot for my taste. The new ramcoolers rock, I got like 55C running all passive on the AMB chip, now it's down to like 46 because the case has a fan near them.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBean
By the way, more of these ramsinks are gonna turn up here at XS soon.. can't tell more right now but you'll see :p:
Does the Corsair Dominator fan thing fit on this board?
Honestly I don't know. I don't need one ^^
The OCZ ramcooler might fit it though.
Just upgraded to 8GB ram and QuadChannel... looks insane with all those ramcoolers :D
Now I just gotta do some stress testing to ensure NB/mems can handle FSB 430... might need to increase MCH or Vdimm, we'll see.
Pics later :)
Pics PLEASE....... before I die..... each time I enter this thread, I forget to breathe...
Looking forward to those pictures. :up: As with any time. hehehe
Oh darn it.
This doesn't look normal, the board is all warped looking when I tighten down the screws on the HR-01's all the way, I had to back off 4 half turns to minimize this and still retain positive pressure on the processor.
I think it is the thin rubber backing pads that came with the MB they are slightly too thick.
I can't imagine this is suppose to look all warped. But I think the screws might back off over time if not snug, a few very small washers might work in there.
I don't see how this build would fit in a normal ATX case- better yet, a normal server case- I had to mod mine to get it to fit, trim a bracket here and there but it looks awesome all shiny... still waiting on my RAM to get here.
ZIO
Hey ZIO,
I had the same problem. That "backplate-mod" I described on page 1 only works properly if the mobo is lying flat on a table, if it's mounted in a case you have to screw the Thermalrights directly onto the case washers.
And don't overtighen them in any case, as you have noticed.
HI everyone!
If only there was a way to KNOW beforehand if your processor had a good chance of being golden.
Even though composition is the mostly the same, the molecular order is greater near the center of a crystal either natural or man-made, meaning less growth layers. Calving the chip near a core of a big silicon crystal near the middle lengthwise of the stick of the cuts where perfect temps made for better material.
The appearance of "golden" processors are evidence of this higher crystalline order whereas the processor materials can withstand higher thermal loads and have greater oriented passivity to modulated loads.
It would appear that from the articles I have read on silicon crystal growth that right down the center of the crystal, the orientation will be of the highest order, therefore the chips created from this layer will "perform" best under thermal loads, meaning better overclocking.
If there was only some way to map this- no wait, they do already you'd just have to get the data somehow, before you buy them.....
Now this might vary a little depending upon the actual draw speed and the condition of the equipment/sensors on the actual crystal furnace. But the chips from the center of the rod and the center of the slice will be the best for OC.:up:
ZIO
Hey jcool, can you please post pics and new benchmarks?
It must feel awesome to own such a fast machine.
I know I'd love to see them. Thanks man.
ZIO
Nice Jcool, cannot wait for the update :)
I'll get out my whip to motivate him!:cord:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBean
Nooo Dave, pleeeeaaaase :D
About the pics, my camera died on me, or more precicely, the crappy battery died :(
There isn't much news just yet, only more ram ;)
Wait till I setup the WC just for the storage subsystem :D And possibly add another mobo to the other side of the cube, which will then be watercooled...
What kind of benchmarks would you guys like to see? QuadChannel doesn't show in any bench so far, but the other guys running it have assured me that's perfectly normal :shrug:
Stay tuned guys :up:
Ok, your forgiven, especially since my camera died also!:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Just ordered a Canon SX100 IS.. Supposed to be a good one for the money.
As to benches, Cinebench 10 using a 64 bit OS and good old SuperPi1M..:D
I already postet a CB screen earlier, didn't I?
I dunno, seems my mobo can't go as high after weeks of full load when everything's so heated up. I tried booting at 440+ but it wouldn't work any more. And I won't waste hours of HCC just so I can bench higher :D
1M should be slow, since it's using only one one core. My wPrime rocks though, see hwbot :D
SP1M at 13.29s..on a workstation..on air..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
(Goes to HWBot to see if it beats mine):rofl:
wPrime32m:
28. 5sec 920ms - Movieman (XtremeSystems) - (2x Xeon X5482 @ 3603mhz)( so I had a borrowed pair of $3000.00 cpu's..:rofl:
44. 6sec 860ms - jcool (XtremeSystems) - (2x Xeon E5420 @ 3225mhz on air)
wprime1024mb:
30. 3min 6sec 700ms - Movieman (XtremeSystems) - (2x Xeon X5482 @ 3484mhz)
37. 3min 28sec 600ms - jcool (XtremeSystems) - (2x Xeon E5420 @ 3225mhz on air)
When you look at the cost differences in the cpu's the 5420's are a hell of a better buy.
Yeah, can't beat u there.
But also bear in mind that this was NOT a max bench like yours, but with a 24/7 stable setting.
This is 1M, not too shabby for everyday use:
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...rper/Z7S1M.jpg
Not bad at all and to show the difference between the Harpers and the clovers, my X5350 clovers maxxed out at 3258 did 15.557s in SP1MQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
this might be hot?
100F Cpu0
97F Cpu1
89F M
100F MB
Either loaded down 10% for hours or idle temps remain the same. the cooler stack doesn't even feel warm to the touch, the ram barely so.
I see your temps are lower, do you think this is a problem?
The computer doesn't act slow or anything and it blows past the post screen so fast all you see is some pixels blink- WHOAH!
100f is only 38c
I can't tell how your temps are in F, can't translate that to Celsius, sorry :shrug:
All I can say is that Coretemp, Everest etc. read 45nm CPUs wrong because of wrong tjunction assumption. You can substract at least 10C from your coretemps, and what you get then isn't nearly accurate to begin with.
My mobo shows 43C Celsius after days of load, rams are at 45-50C.
If it's stable and doesn't feel hot, I'd ignore the readings. What program did you use for the readout anyway?
Hi Joschi,
My Asus Z7S is up & running . No problem at all, except the ram issue.
I'm going to start overclocking now :cool:
Great to hear, let me know how it goes. You got 2 CPUs yet? Also E5420's?
About the Ram, you'll figure it out. It can't be so hard removing these damn heatspreads, can it?
By the way, is the "package" under way yet? :cool:
:woot:
Date/Time Activity
06/04/2008 DELIVERED[D] MB INTEL BOXD5400XS 771 5400 RT
Maybe I can catch you and Dave now in hwbot :rofl: If nothing else I'll add a new cruncher!:up:
1 CPU for starters , E5420 . Hacking the heatspreaders is for later , I'll find a way . definitely glue involved , it doesn't move at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Package is for tomorrow ;)
I watched my temps drop over the first 24 hours, they stabilized after dropping to 33c after all day use by 2 heavy users.
Idle temps:
cpu0 33c/91f (pretty cool compared to the 105F earlier in the day.
cpu1 33c/91c
mb 32c/89f
after 16.35 minute load test = 35c/100F (ripped a 1.5hr DVD into 30fps ipod video in 16.35 mintes)
Then right back down to cpu 33c/91F
Current Build:
MB Asus Z7S
2, 2.5Ghz Harpertown CPU's
Spinpoint 1TB SATA HD
2GB RAM with MASSCOOL heatpiped copper sinks (more on the way)
2, HIS 512MB Radeon 2600XT Ice-Q Turbo, (crossfired)
22" LG 3000:1, 2ms crispy LCD
Antec Sx835ii, modified Server Case, 5 case cooling fans
Both CPU's are idle at same temp, when lightly loaded increase to 35c/100F
I'm gonna wait a week or two before OC'in these let em burn in good 24-7.
Other than that IT's ALIVE!!
This build is the Shiznit. After all the hoopla, it's reads right, whoah fast.:up:
Thanks jcool.
Congrats Zio ! Good luck !
I'm at 3.0Ghz (400x7.5 ) since yesterday. No way i could wait one whole week to start overclocking :D
Depends on the CPU's you're getting. Max FSB sucks with Skulltrail though...Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxCFM
No problem :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZIO
Seems like I started a trend buying this mobo :D
Asus should send me another one for all the advertising I've done :shakes: :ROTF:
Yep, you're going to need some hefty cpu's to catch dave. That or some very good FB-Dimm's.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxCFM
Ok guys,
as you know, I have installed another 2 rams to enable QuadChannel, but couldn't prove until now that it was really active. No increase in crunching or Cinebench, CPU-Z doesn't read it, it doesn't show in Sisoft Sandra etc.
After I just looked at the Nehalem@Anandtech article it came to me... Winrar! Best program when it comes to measuring mem bandwidth.
So I paused BOINC for a second, fired up winrar, hit alt + b and this is what I got:
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...winrarharp.jpg
:eek::eek::eek: :cool:
This simply blows my 4Ghz, DDR2-1100 X38 mainrig away. Guess it's really working, not bad for DDR2-860 5-5-5 eh :p:
Wow you went through a lot to get that all dialed in. Good Job.
Those 8 little graphs are sooo hot :yepp:
Hey peoples-
I think we should compare FSB hot spots for other OC'ers.
Like this:
Harpertown 2.5Ghz OC Heat chart
Idle temps:
CPU:2.75Ghz = 95/96F, 366FSB
CPU:2.80Ghz = 98/102F, 380FSB
CPU:2.92Ghz = 91/93F, 390FSB
I found a hotspot at 380FSB, and then I found a COOL spot at 390FSB, I mean the processer is running at the same temps at 2.5Ghz!!
This indicates there are going to be regular cool spots thoughout the Processor FSB, and mapping these could lead to superclocking maps for this series of processor, instead of dialing up through hot zones, you could ballpark and tune up (OC) through those cool spots without fracturing the circuit pathways, ie: blowing up your chip by tuning through hot FSB zones.
I think that if done correctly we could get a super-clocking chart made for the harpertown that might even allow 4Ghz on this build.
Btw if my MB says my RAM is 667Mhz, then is it not 800? or do I have a setting or something wrong somewheres? If it's 667Mhz, then I need to call my supplier.
Thanks in advance-
ZIO
What ram did you buy?
So i skimmed through this whole thread, But i didn't see one thing i was curious about... How many ppd is this beast putting out?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC these systems should do ~35k/day.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevinbo03
Kingston valueram.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
KVR800D2D8F5K2/2G
The mobo says 667 for the mem because it detects FSB 333 CPUs, and the Z7S always runs the mems with a 1:1 divider (at least if you use DDR2-800 rams).Quote:
Originally Posted by ZIO
So If you're running the CPUs at FSB 390, your mem runs DDR2-780, just like mine runs 860 at FSB 430.
Dunno about the hot spot - cool spot stuff, I just went as high as they were willing to go FSB-wise.
My experience is that they don't need to be cold (mine are running fine between 60 and 67C realtemp).
@kevinbo03: I don't know really, all I can say is it rocks :D
jcool,Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
I'm just wondering if the harpertown has a FSB cool slot somewhere up higher, like 3.7 or 3.9Ghz maybe it would run at 67c? If you dialed up through the cool zones (one of which should be 390fsb), the processor is likely to have cool zones from synced frequencies overlayed on the 45nm structure, since heat is based upon resistance which is a form of vibration found within circuit pathways and the gates themselves. Put simply, certain frequencies will produce less heat due to frequency interactions with the transistor gates.
There may be a way to go even higher if dialed correctly. If the chip is stable at full load at 67c then I think this approach is possible. Making 67c the high end and paying attention to temp while dialing.
I'm thinking we could go even higher than 3.2Ghz if we knew which FSB frequencies produced the least amount of heat. So a map of cool zones is needed, from which a pattern could be found. Maybe making a cool zone map from 2.5Ghz to 3.2 would reveal it?
More than likely I think that actual testing will reveal the map, someone would actually have to try to dial up their FSB and record the temp responses.
Because we are dealing with a crystal it has very specific vibrational characteristics, at certain "right" frequencies it will not generate heat as much. However at the wrong frequencies it will light up like a heating element.
I'd love to see a 4+Ghz 8-core machine!!
A bit long-winded but a good cause to be sure, understanding heat mechanics in molecular solids and machines is one of my understandings from quantum vibrational mechanics.
ZIO
Very interesting stuff there. Hate to break it to you, but FSB 430 isn't just the CPU's limit. The mobo is under heavy strain there, especially since I'm running 8GB ram and Quadchannel. It might handle 440 FSB 24/7 if the CPUs do their part, but that's about it. No FSB500 happening on a i5400 chipset, even 400+ will remain a dream for most.
Also temps aren't everything. I see that every day with my Q6600, which runs at 4Ghz at -39C evap temp just as fine as it runs under water with 65C Coretemp at the same frequency and voltage. Only I can't keep it that cool for long with watercooling, hence the phase change.
4Ghz+ octacores are very much attainable, if you have the money. Just need some QX9775's, good cooling and you're set ;)
Also no cold spot it going to make a quad run FSB500, let alone two of them and never ever w/o detailed VTT and GTL adjustments that only very few motherboards provide.
I'm afraid I can't help you there, but maybe Dave can, as soon as he's got his E5450's. They have the kind of multiplier you need to get close to 3,8Ghz. FSB-wise it's not happening to the smaller ones, even if you hit the mother of all cool spots.
Hi Fellas,
today a new bios for the Z7S WS appeared on the ASUS ftp. Version is 0302, no changelog yet but I'll give it a try and let you guys know ;)
Download it here
New bios ,that's good news. thanks !
***hopes for vcore adjustments cuz my E5420 needs more juice ***
I'll try it later ,hopefully tonight , no time right now.
New bios is installed on my Asus Z7S.
No new options in the bios at first sight.
First impressions :
CpuZ opens up normal (took 4-5 min with the 0201 bios)
Small performance increase : judging by some quick Superpi runs.
Looks fine to me as far as i can tell.
E5420 2.5Ghz overclocked 430 x 7 = 3010Mhz
With the old bios (0201):
superpi 1M 16.344
superpi 2M 42.235
superpi 16M 8m57.641
E5420 2.5Ghz overclocked 430 x 7 =3010Mhz
New bios (0302)
superpi 1M 16.156
superpi 2M 41.781
superpi 16M 8m54.969
Finally put mine together. A few issues.
I am having the exact same issue as I did with the DSEB-DG board. Testing with two different brands of 667mhz FB-DIMMs, Prime95 will crash using high FFTs (above 2500). But it didn't do it with one piece of MacPro 800mhz ram by Hynix.
Does anyone else mind testing this? I'm interested in knowing if people with 667mhz ram is getting the same issue, and if people with 800mhz is not.
I don't understand why it's doing it, i am use e5450 cpus, which should be using the 667mhz ram anyways. but I want to overclock it to 3.6ghz, and I planned on getting 800mhz ram either way.
Other issue is with configuring the Marvell Network drivers to do link agregation. That is what was nice about the DSEB-DG. It had 4x intel Pro Network Ports. Zero issues. The Marvell works fine as a single link. But trying to team them up has been causing a lot of problems, to a point where I can't even get a proper connection anymore, even on a single link. I don't have any slots left either to get an intel network card :(
Third Issue, my eSATA drives freezes up the computer whenever I have it plugged in to the Jmicron port. I remember seeing this before on another build, and at the moment I don't remember how I fixed it. I have to look into it more. Just wondering if anyone has noticed this?
The other issue is changing the SATA IDE to AHCI drivers in Windows after install. This trick used to be easy on other boards, but I get iastor.sys crashes now whenever I do it. oh well.
Hi Guys.
I finally got my new system (thanks to jcool for helping me with this):
Apevia Jupiter X Full Tower
Corsair 620 HX PSU
Vista 64 Bit Ultimate
Asus Z7S (rev 0201)
2x Diamond Viper 3870 HD 512MB GDDR4
Transcend 4x2GB DDR2 667Mhz FBDIMM (8GB) with ram cooler (dual fans)
2x Seagate Barracuda 250GB Raid 1
2x DVD Burners w/LightScribe
2x XEON 5410 2.33Ghz Harpertowns (stock cooling)
5x 120mm Fans (2 in, 3 out)
Displays: 32" LCD 1080i, 24" LCD 1080p, 21" LCD 720p
I actually got this all from newegg last week but had some issues. The board did come with the 0201 bios, so didn't need to flash it. Had everything together, ran overnight, in the case, on it's side. Next day went to move it vertical and it kept shorting/grounding/not posting which I couldn't fix as at the time I was sure it was a mb failure. Sent that one back and now I'm waiting with electrical tape in hand for each standoff and the closest solder points on the back to attempt to prevent any grounding on vertical in this case.
Also unfortunately the case I got has the cpu standoffs for a full size EATX, and not the Z7S, so I ended up using the supplied backplates with the 6L standoffs. I must've mounted the board a dozen times trying to prevent bending and the short on vertical - eventually I gave up and decided I wanted to RMA it and start from scratch with the board again.
For the time it did run my temps were about 95-110F for both cpus, and about 105-113F for the ram. I didn't do any overclocking, and simply left it in the bios overnight.
I'd like to get my 5410's up to hopefully 2.6, or 2.8 but would enjoy anyones help.
Also a couple questions, is anyone using the backplates in the case or do you all have the proper standoffs? The suckers are stuck on my case very well, and seem to provide ample support when the heatsinks were attached, but the mb did have some bending. Also did anyone else experience any grounding/shorts when placed in the case and vertical? I was thinking of using nylon standoffs, but asus said to simply cover the brass with an X of electrical tape. I'm open to your suggestions here as well.
Special thanks to jcool who helped me through email pick all these parts.
I should have the new Z7S this Monday, so will be ready to jump back into it then.
Dust
Yeah I think Cinebench improved a bit, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Jaco
Other than that, there aren't any major changes, what I noticed:
- FSB spread spectrum option is gone, had it disabled anyways
- they added something to the SATA menu, like compatible or enhanced mode for IDE... don't really get it so I left it alone (there still is the main Sata mode option with enhanced, compatible, IDE; AHCI, Raid etc)
@redmodel: I don't know about 667 mems, but I can assure you I am 24h prime blend stable at FSB 430 with mem running synced. However, a friend of mine noticed strange behaviour with 667 ram when running a FSB 333 CPU. His measured ram bandwidth was extremely low, especially when he overclocked the system to FSB400. Didn't have that problem with 800 rams, and we're all using them around here, hence no problems. The Z7S doesn't seem to like 667 mem. :(
Dunno about LAN teaming, I'm hard-pressed to get my gigabit network to perform (always stuck between 15 and 22% grrr). Oh and I don't use eSATA, can't help you there either.
@Dustin:
Glad you finally managed to register with XS forums ;)
I don't really see a problem with shortening the mobo, I ran it for like 3 weeks on a table and I use stadnard metal standoffs in the case, no problems whatsoever.
I do recommend using a case featuring the mountings for the CPU coolers, otherwise you'll be stuck with a bending mobo, especially if you use HR-01 X heatsinks.
About the temps, I'd recommend replacing the NB sink with a Thermalright HR-05 IFX or, if you can get it, the Alpenföhn Ötzi (has a bigger base plate).
You'll have to actively cool the mems too, unless you mount special heatsinks on them.
redmodel - 800mhz FB-DIMM's have newer AMB chips which may account for them clocking to 400mhz+ easier.
The compatible/enhanced SATA options are so that you dont need to roll drivers into an OS install before installing the OS. Just set SATA to compatible and away you go.
Two points:Quote:
Originally Posted by redmodel
1) Your E5450's will BSEL mod to 3600/12mb/1600 with a tiny piece of tape put over the H30 pad. Might need a tiny boost in volts to do that speed as the E54xx's are lower voltage than the X54xx models but be carefull, only small increase, like .05-.1v IMO..
2) Toss that 667 memory away and get 800FBDimms.
I used the supplied backplates exactly as jcool indicated with his pics.Quote:
Originally Posted by neveroffline
Even after coming off on the tension with the supplied backplates to reduce the amount of bending there was still some bending across the rubber pieces, I secured my Heatsink towers with craft wire while the case was on it's side and then stood it up after making sure the towers wouldn't move in the downwards motion, secured by the craft wire.
Minor flexing of the MB around/towards the area of the chips was still there after proper mounting of the sinks was done, I secured the MB flat with the lateral wires you see going off to the right and the towers are supported by the wire connected to the crosspiece in the case, it works.
I had to modify the NB heatsink with my trusty dremel and cut a small chunk out of it after marking it off and trimming the fins off the HR01 heatsink tower. Otherwise the HR01 pushed it off it's mount when securing the sink. My dremel with the cutting wheel worked wonders for modifying the HR01 as well I recommend it to anyone trying this build.
I am now at 2.92Ghz on both processors, with temps of 34/36c idle, 40.5/37.7c under load for about an hour.
I don't need to go higher (yet) my machine performs well and stays cool.
Sorry, I don't think I made it clear in my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I am running all stock right now. I didn't do the BSEL mod to the e5450s, because I didn't want to use Conductive Silver Pen on $1000 cpus to adjust the voltages.
I moved my DSEB-DG board to a newly created Fibre Channel SAN with a slower harpertown CPU, and I plan on using the Z7S with the e5450s to overclock to 3.6ghz.
There seems to be a very short supply of 800mhz FB-Dimms for with non-macpro heatsinks. And, since I wasted money on two separate types of 667mhz ram for the DSEB-DG board, I want to make sure I get a non crashing 800mhz ram for the Z7S.
Sorry Jcool, you probably posted it already, but what 800mhz FBDimms did you get?
And movieman, what ram do you have, I am assuming your Prime95 works fine.
Okay, and this lets me use AHCI drivers?Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Sorry, I misread, the memory I tested the X5482's with was 4x2 gig Transcend DDR2-800's..5-5-5-18-22..Quote:
Originally Posted by redmodel
Stock volts and went to 450 on the SM X7DWA-N board..
Rock 100% load stable at 438, cinebench at 444 and SP1M at 450..
Bluescreened at 455
As to drivers, yes on the AHCI and as to Prime 95, not my style, I turned on WCG at 100% for 48 hours and let her rip..No errors, thats "stable " to me..:)
Has nothing to do with AHCI, only for OS installation.
Yeah sorry, that backplate mod doesn't work for mobos mounted in a case... I didn't realize that before because I ran the mobo 3 weeks on a table, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZIO
It might work with the stock heatsinks, but Thermalrights are way too heavy, they need to be mounted with the mobo standoffs.
@Redmodel: As far as we know, any 800Mhz FBDimm works a charm on this mobo. I am running 4x2GB Buffalo FBDimms (they had Mac Pro heatsinks though), Jaco runs Trancend 1GB sticks (also Mac pro) and a friend of mine uses Kingston Value 800. They have flat heatspreaders so they're the only ones that work w/o modifying the heatsink, I guess. Even though you can mount my Buffalos w/o modding in slots 1 and 3, if you want to go Quadchannel you need to mod them.
Did you stick the backplates to the case with the sticky tape backside or did you leave that on? I have mine stuck on and they don't move at all. I don't see how it can be any less sturdy than the original standoffs (which I have, only for a full EATX dual XEON).Quote:
Originally Posted by ZIO
I couldn't figure out where the short/grounding was coming from, but it only happened when vertical. Would boot randomly, try to post, 08, 07, then FF on the diagnostic card, then shutoff, and even the slightest tap to the case would do the same over and over again. On it's side it booted just fine. I should get the replacement mb soon, maybe as early as tomorrow, or at the most Monday. I'm hoping it's tomorrow so I can use the weekend, they told me they would overnight it.
Should I place electrical tape on the bottom side of the mb where the largest solder points are, or just over the brass standoffs?
Here is my reply from Asus:
"The problem you are seeing could be caused by what we call a grounding/emi interference problem, start by taking the motherboard out of the case you have it in. Next set the motherboard up on top of the cardboard box it came in, straight to the cardboard(do not use the anti-static plastic, foam, or an antistatic mat as these have been known to keep a board from posting.) if you do not have the box that the board came in then use some newspaper a phonebook or some other non-conductive material. Connect to the board just the bare minimums needed to verify the problem you are having i.e.: cpu(w/heatsink and fan), memory, video card and power supply. Power the system up outside the case if the problem then seems to have resolved itself then all we need to do when mounting the board back into the case is use some added grounding/emi protection, the simplest way to resolve this type of problem is to get you some standard electrical tape and make a cross over the brass or metal stand-offs you are mounting the board into. This will do 2 things, first it will insure that we do not have a metal to metal ground and second it will lift the board up away from the case so that if you had a solder point sitting to close to the case generating an emi field the distance added between the 2 should keep this from happening. If this does not resolve the problem you are having then please contact either our tech support office at 812-282-2787 or our RMA dept. at 510-739-3777 option #2 and we will have the board sent in for repair/replacement."
I left the slick paper on the backplate mounts, I suppose I could have peeled it but I was going off jcools pics on how-to and it worked So I didn't bother. Besides in retrospect it seemed like there might be a loop problem, so I figured why not leave it on?Quote:
Originally Posted by neveroffline
That problem you were having sounds like a ground loop through the MB as asus was saying.
I used the supplied metal backplate mounts with the thin rubber pads cut in half, but couldn't tighten them down all the way without seeing a lot of MB bending, I had to "back-off" on my tightness by 4, half turns, there was still light bending and I could slightly turn the heat sink towers by hand when it was too loose, and when it was just right, they didn't turn, they were snug. I used Artic Silver for my thermal compound. (newegg $5 a tube, one tube per processor, then smoothed and excess removed.)
ZIO
isn't that a little overkill :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZIO
:yepp::yepp::yepp::yepp::yepp: a LOT overkill IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Jaco
That is way more then overkill!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Jaco
Overkill?
spending $10 to protect $700 worth of processors is not overkill, it is insurance besides:
I am now at 2.92Ghz on both processors, with temps of 34/36c idle, 40.5/37.7c under load.
Very cool overkilled- dead right.
ZIO
You drained a whole tube of AS5 PER CPU? :rofl::ROTF::ROTF::ROTF::ROTF:
Sorry, must be the funniest thing I ever heard :D
I build like ~40 whole rigs with one 3g AS5 tube... That's CPU and GPU, sometimes also mobo ;)
:ROTF::rofl: Oh man, I'm so sorry. Typically you apply a pea-sized drop or smaller. You should end up with a VERY thin layer of TIM which should solely be used to make up for the minor surface differences between the IHS and the HS. TIM is a terrible conductor compared to metal, so the less of it between the two components the better. I've used one of those small tubes of Artic Silver Ceramique on about 20 fresh re-mounts and I have a quarter of the tube left :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ZIO
The more compound, the more the heat has to go through. A pea-sized drop is even too much most of the time--but just go easy on that compound! AS5 is electrically conductive--so putting on too much of that stuff IS dangerous. Depending on how much overflow, it could get into the pins and fry the processor with ease. And please--tell us you didn't spread it with a credit card, razor blade, or something else! That's the fastest way to get air bubbles.
Can someone address my questions here rather than AS5 comments? I'm using stock cooling and my Z7S backplates are now STUCK to my case mb tray. Yeah, thats what the sticky part on the bottom is for right? Heh. A tube of 3g should last you plenty of machines, a tube of 12g should last much more, I agree. Since I am using stock cooling I already have this on the cpus/heatsinks. I have a tube of AS5 12g untouched btw - standing by.
I already returned one of these boards and should get the replacement tomorrow. I was looking for suggestions and hope I can get them here.
Thanks. Dustin
sticky stuff is not for holding the backplate to the tray but rather to the motherboard.
I use duct tape to hold them to the motherboard so they are removable though. That tape can stick too well sometimes.
Do you have one of these boards? No the sticky tape on the back of the backplate is for sticking to the Case/Chassis vs having the mb standoffs already in place, and no, not the MB. Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Refer to page 1 of this thread.
Yeah, no sense in putting the sticky side towards the mobo.
However, if mounted upright in a case these plates only stick to the tray with light heatsinks, such as the stock coolers. I tried to stick them to the tray with the HR-01's mounted but they are way too heavy, board bending is inevitable unless you screw them heavy heatsinks onto the mb tray.
Next time I'm gonna use water, EK supreme + supplied metal clips from the Z7S should work just fine as backplates, and no mounting trouble.
Just updated the 1st post, made some adjustments and added bios section
Hey man!! I thought you were gonna build another one of these :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Whats taking you :D :p:
Yeah I guess I am... "only" need to modify (speak: completely disassemble) the case so it will take 2 mobos.
My mainrig still isn't rebuilt too, plus I have next to no time thanks to work.
But I'd think my current output isn't too shabby either ;)
Never had an issue doing it the way I detailed.Quote:
Originally Posted by neveroffline
And I do have a Z7S-WS.. in the mail.
Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Hmmm.
sees about what it would take to intercept and reroute that package... heh-heh!