Windows Server 2008 is 20% faster than Vista

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04-02-2008, 09:28 AM
Papu

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Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2018/...82755387_o.png
Cut that RAM usage in half!

I am trying to "move in" and make Windows Server 2008 my regular operating system.

I really messed up with the AHCI. I didn't set the SATA ports to act as AHCI.

Now, I have the Intel Chipset drivers installed (8.something.something.11) from the Gigabyte website (The Intel site had a lower version, of their own drivers?).

I may configure a nice Debian install (Linux) to compare RAM usage.
I know just sitting in the UI, Debian only uses 67mb of RAM.

Place how RAM much Windows Server 2008 uses just sitting at the UI with all the un-needed services turned off and no background processes other than the system here.

the reason its cut in half is that he has 2x as much ram , and afaik , it uses about 1/4 of the ram you have, 23% of yours and 23% of his.
04-02-2008, 09:35 AM
deathman20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

the reason its cut in half is that he has 2x as much ram , and afaik , it uses about 1/4 of the ram you have, 23% of yours and 23% of his.

Yup... Its very similar to Vista itself.

32-bit uses a little less at roughly 22-25% of ram and 64-bit uses 25-30% on bootup. My friend has 64-bit and 2gigs of ram and he sits around 26% usage after full bootup, and I have 4gigs of ram and I sit around 29% full usage after bootup.

Windows utilizes the resources it has, and the ram takes less power than going back and forth between the HDD's since the ram has to be powered all the time anyways. If it could I'd tell it to keep such and such programs in ram and use even more of it.
04-02-2008, 09:39 AM
Pyr0

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Originally Posted by 003

Pyro if you really shrunk it down to 480mb and it still has a GUI and everything works normally please share what exactly you removed.

I didn't remove anything, it's a project by nn_step

latest thread
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=170601
04-02-2008, 10:01 AM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by deathman20

Yup... Its very similar to Vista itself.

32-bit uses a little less at roughly 22-25% of ram and 64-bit uses 25-30% on bootup. My friend has 64-bit and 2gigs of ram and he sits around 26% usage after full bootup, and I have 4gigs of ram and I sit around 29% full usage after bootup.

Windows utilizes the resources it has, and the ram takes less power than going back and forth between the HDD's since the ram has to be powered all the time anyways. If it could I'd tell it to keep such and such programs in ram and use even more of it.

prefetching should do that automatically if its enabled , my pc boots , loads outlook express , X-chat and itunes faster than a fresh Xp ever did :D

people complain about it using the ram that they have , they dont realise that it scales.
04-02-2008, 10:19 AM
triple_A

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

prefetching should do that automatically if its enabled , my pc boots , loads outlook express , X-chat and itunes faster than a fresh Xp ever did :D

people complain about it using the ram that they have , they dont realise that it scales.

Yeah I'd like to use the ram i paid for :D
04-02-2008, 10:34 AM
MuffinFlavored

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

prefetching should do that automatically if its enabled , my pc boots , loads outlook express , X-chat and itunes faster than a fresh Xp ever did :D

people complain about it using the ram that they have , they dont realise that it scales.

I thought, he has twice as much RAM as I do, and nearly the same usage.

25% of my 2GB of RAM is 512MB used.
25% of his 4GB of RAM is 1024MB used.
04-03-2008, 04:19 PM
trans am

for those with asus wifi make sure to dl the server 2003 x64 bit wifi drivers from asus.
04-03-2008, 04:45 PM
[XC] Synthetickiller

I Know this is petty late in the thread to ask, but how are you guys getting server 2008? Sorry for such a n00b question.

I don't want to pay the 1000+ price tag for it. I have messed w/ sever 2003 and loved it over xp. The stability rocks. :up:
04-03-2008, 05:11 PM
Warboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synthetickiller

I Know this is petty late in the thread to ask, but how are you guys getting server 2008? Sorry for such a n00b question.

I don't want to pay the 1000+ price tag for it. I have messed w/ sever 2003 and loved it over xp. The stability rocks. :up:

Microsoft has a Trial on their website.
04-04-2008, 10:21 AM
trans am

this is fun. I got 2008 Activated and configured to boot straight to the desktop, got Aero working, Ac1 Barracuda is working! now i need plug n play devices to work like 1394 extrernal drive..etc. and ready to roll. it only took me 2 days to get my wireless lan and audio working but it was worth it. I love this os
04-04-2008, 12:39 PM
003

Legit activation? If not, please PM me.
04-04-2008, 04:48 PM
Warboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

Legit activation? If not, please PM me.

You do know that what your asking for is against forum rules right? and Microsoft is giving away 240 day trials of 2008, So its not Legit Activation, but Active for only 240 days max.
04-04-2008, 05:19 PM
phelan1777

I gotz meya legit "1yr" copy from MS directly :wave: Server 2k8, and Vista Ultimate (32bit)

We will see what happens in a year, supposedly it will just keep running.
04-04-2008, 05:38 PM
GripS

Quote:

Originally Posted by phelan1777

I gotz meya legit "1yr" copy from MS directly :wave: Server 2k8, and Vista Ultimate (32bit)

We will see what happens in a year, supposedly it will just keep running.

Just got mine as well from the launch event here in Seattle. It was my understanding we'd be getting full versions of windows server 2008 as well as a 1 year version of windows vista ultimate 32bit.

I'm curious if the key that i got for windows vista 32bit will work with the 64bit version as well. Anybody tried that yet with your 'promotional' copy of vista 32bit from the 'Hero's happen Here'(<-stupid theme) launch?
04-04-2008, 05:48 PM
003

Quote:

Originally Posted by [cTx]Warboy

You do know that what your asking for is against forum rules right? and Microsoft is giving away 240 day trials of 2008, So its not Legit Activation, but Active for only 240 days max.

Actually... if you read carefully, I am not asking about anything against the rules. :up: I know about the 240 day trial, I will be trying that out.
04-04-2008, 06:47 PM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by deathman20

If it could I'd tell it to keep such and such programs in ram and use even more of it.

Superfetch do that, but it works without user interaction. Would be a HUGE step forward that we can tell Windows what program and when we want it cached. I can't remember where but I read that M$ was going to implement this feature with SP1.
04-04-2008, 09:47 PM
trans am

if you're playing games you might need to see this: http://www.win2008workstation.com/wo...ing-gameuxdll/
04-04-2008, 10:02 PM
MuffinFlavored

Did anyone install Core?
04-12-2008, 08:32 PM
malik22

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

Did anyone install Core?

I would like to know this too.
04-12-2008, 08:38 PM
RAW-Raptor22

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

Did anyone install Core?

Core is command line only... look a few pages back... :yepp:
04-12-2008, 08:54 PM
MuffinFlavored

Quote:

Originally Posted by [cTx] Raptor22

Core is command line only... look a few pages back... :yepp:

Alrighty then, thank you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyr0

yup, nnstep is shrinking server 2008 for the latest xsos
i burnt the 480mb iso to a cd-rw and had no problems installing from it

Then, how did nnStep make a 480mb ISO of 08?
04-12-2008, 08:59 PM
RAW-Raptor22

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

Alrighty then, thank you.

Then, how did nnStep make a 480mb ISO of 08?

He took alot of crap out of the 32bit version.... ask him... :yepp:
04-12-2008, 09:22 PM
Emerica

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

I may configure a nice Debian install (Linux) to compare RAM usage.
I know just sitting in the UI, Debian only uses 67mb of RAM.

Yeah, just get the net install CD and install xserver-xorg and whichever window manage you like. Depending on the Window manager you can get the RAM usage really low.
04-12-2008, 09:37 PM
MuffinFlavored

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emerica

Yeah, just get the net install CD and install xserver-xorg and whichever window manage you like. Depending on the Window manager you can get the RAM usage really low.

I just got done messing with it today.
I got XOrg running, but nVIDIA drivers were a mess, and then I wanted the latest kernel, and I didn't know how to use the bzImage for GRUB.
Then, Xfce4 looked so ugly because I wasn't using Xfwm4, but I didn't know how to make Xorg use it.
04-12-2008, 09:41 PM
Emerica

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

I just got done messing with it today.
I got XOrg running, but nVIDIA drivers were a mess, and then I wanted the latest kernel, and I didn't know how to use the bzImage for GRUB.
Then, Xfce4 looked so ugly because I wasn't using Xfwm4, but I didn't know how to make Xorg use it.

Here's what you do. Right after you install do:

Code:

su - apt-get install xserver-xorg xfce4 xfce4-goodies

Then, use this site to install your nvidia drivers http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/11...-debian-lenny/. But, you should download the latest version from the nvidia website which will require a little bit of editing to that tutorial.
04-12-2008, 10:42 PM
MuffinFlavored

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emerica

Here's what you do. Right after you install do:

Code:

su - apt-get install xserver-xorg xfce4 xfce4-goodies

Then, use this site to install your nvidia drivers http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/11...-debian-lenny/. But, you should download the latest version from the nvidia website which will require a little bit of editing to that tutorial.

What if I wanted to compile my own 2.6.24.4 kernel?

Here is my perfect Linux distrobution.

Quote:

Originally Posted by My dreams of an operating system

Perfect Linux Distribution (64-bit):
Kernel 2.6.24.4 configured to have nothing unnecessary
nVIDIA 3D Drivers

Firefox 3.0 beta 5
Pidgin 2.4.1

Xfce 4.4.2
X.Org X11 R7.3
Xfwm4

I did exactly that, except I grabbed the sudo package aswell.

I do not like how if I want to switch from my XOrg session to a TTY, it freezes and I have to restart my entire system. Do you know if that is because I did not install the nVIDIA drivers?

If I could get Xfce4 to work, without looking disgusting, it would be the perfect operating system.
04-12-2008, 11:08 PM
safan80

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

What if I wanted to compile my own 2.6.24.4 kernel?

Here is my perfect Linux distrobution.

I did exactly that, except I grabbed the sudo package aswell.

I do not like how if I want to switch from my XOrg session to a TTY, it freezes and I have to restart my entire system. Do you know if that is because I did not install the nVIDIA drivers?

compile the magic sys request keys into your kernel and you wont risk losing anything

Sync +Unmount +Reboot
04-12-2008, 11:28 PM
MuffinFlavored

Quote:

Originally Posted by safan80

compile the magic sys request keys into your kernel and you wont risk losing anything

Sync +Unmount +Reboot

It took me like, an hour to configure everything.
I still had problems though, like AHCI, IDE, ICH9R, all that.

I did all of the tests on fresh installs with my backup disk far away out of the system.

Off-topic:
NewEgg does not sell the high end Gigabyte GA-P35-DQ6 anymore?
I was going to search their specifications to find out what controller I used (turned out to be ICH9R), but it isn't on the site anymore.

The "high-end" discontinued board that won't let me do 4.0GHz with a Q6700. :(
04-15-2008, 03:59 AM
malik22

You guys who have had experience with vista with SP1 and server 2008 do you still think server is faster for games even after vista sp1?
04-15-2008, 06:46 AM
RAW-Raptor22

Quote:

Originally Posted by malik22

You guys who have had experience with vista with SP1 and server 2008 do you still think server is faster for games even after vista sp1?

yes, definitely. :up:
04-15-2008, 07:06 AM
triple_A

Quote:

Originally Posted by malik22

You guys who have had experience with vista with SP1 and server 2008 do you still think server is faster for games even after vista sp1?

meh, not so sure about that..

I'm on vista64 again right now and can't really say that it feels slower..don't notice any difference in games etc..

The only thing i do notice is that vista boots faster than server08 :)
04-15-2008, 09:23 AM
TadehI

This is going to sound stupid, but can you use Vista 32 bit drivers with Server 08 even though its a 64bit OS? My laptop manufacture doesn't make 64bit vista drivers. I doubt you can, but I figured I would ask.

Thanks!
04-15-2008, 09:46 AM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by TadehI

This is going to sound stupid, but can you use Vista 32 bit drivers with Server 08 even though its a 64bit OS? My laptop manufacture doesn't make 64bit vista drivers. I doubt you can, but I figured I would ask.

Thanks!

nope allot of oem's dont make 64bit drivers or windows available
04-15-2008, 12:12 PM
Metroid

Quote:

Originally Posted by TadehI

This is going to sound stupid, but can you use Vista 32 bit drivers with Server 08 even though its a 64bit OS? My laptop manufacture doesn't make 64bit vista drivers. I doubt you can, but I figured I would ask.

Thanks!

Windows Server 08 is not only a 64 bit version, it has a 32 bit version too. You can use Vista 32 drivers for Windows Server 08 32 bit or you can use Vista 64 drivers for Windows Server 08 64 bit. It is up to you to choose the best OS for your daily usage..

Metroid.
04-17-2008, 06:10 AM
JMKS

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMKS

So, anyone managed to run [bench] PCMark Vantage on 2008 yet? I believe this is same "protection against Server OS'es" like in 3DMark Vantage will be.
On "stock" 2008 it installs and then it wants... "Vista" :rofl: :down:

Anyone? As the 3DM V is approaching soon, it will be nice to know if we [2008 users] will be forced to use Vista only for that one bench or not...
04-17-2008, 11:04 AM
nn_step

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metroid

Windows Server 08 is not only a 64 bit version, it has a 32 bit version too. You can use Vista 32 drivers for Windows Server 08 32 bit or you can use Vista 64 drivers for Windows Server 08 64 bit. It is up to you to choose the best OS for your daily usage..

Metroid.

the 64bit is faster, the only reason to go 32bit is if your processor doesn't support 64bit...
04-17-2008, 05:05 PM
bakalu

Quote:

Originally Posted by malik22

You guys who have had experience with vista with SP1 and server 2008 do you still think server is faster for games even after vista sp1?

Windows XP SP3 v.3300
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1207826609

Windows Server 2008 Enterprise SP1 32bit
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1207826609

Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit + hotfix
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1207826609

Windows XP SP3 v.3300
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1207826609

Windows Server 2008 Enterprise SP1 32bit
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1207826609

Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit + hotfix
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1207826609

Windows XP SP3 v.3300
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1207826609

Windows Server 2008 Enterprise SP1 32bit
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1207826609

Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit + hotfix
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1207826609

Windows Server 2008 Enterprise SP1 32bit support 8GB RAM
http://forum.amtech.com.vn/attachmen...1&d=1208252842
04-17-2008, 05:59 PM
Gen

people still debating which is faster? their the same kernel :shrug:
04-17-2008, 06:01 PM
jaredpace

A sloths faster than vista
04-17-2008, 06:06 PM
Warboy

Then why can't vista 32bit SP1 support 8gb of ram?
04-17-2008, 07:50 PM
hennyo

Server class windows OS has supported PAE for ALONG time while non server OS never has. Hence when 32bit windows server 2008 handles 8gbytes of ram and vista 32bit dosen't.
04-17-2008, 07:52 PM
tiro_uspsss

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

A sloths faster than vista

:rofl: :up:
04-17-2008, 11:02 PM
Jack

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gen

people still debating which is faster? their the same kernel :shrug:

Exactly. And as you can see in bakalu's post, the result differences are smaller than 1%. Hardly worth it.
04-18-2008, 12:04 AM
bakalu

Benchmark Gun Metal

Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit + hotfix
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1207967341

Windows Server 2008 Enterprise SP1 32bit
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1207967341

Benchmark Serious Sam 2

Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit + hotfix
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1207967341

Windows Server 2008 Enterprise SP1 32bit
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1207967341
04-18-2008, 04:20 AM
003

Could you include XP and XP x64 in these benchmarks?
04-18-2008, 01:40 PM
BigDov

I'm not seeing much of a reason to switch really....... :shrug:
04-18-2008, 05:05 PM
bakalu

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

Could you include XP and XP x64 in these benchmarks?

Take a look post 239.

Benchmark Call of Juarez DirectX 10

Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit + hotfix
http://forum.amtech.com.vn/attachmen...1&d=1207997836

Windows Server 2008 Enterprise SP1 32bit
http://forum.amtech.com.vn/attachmen...1&d=1207997836

Benchmark PT BOATS - Knights Of The Sea DirectX 10

Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit + hotfix
http://forum.amtech.com.vn/attachmen...1&d=1207997836

Windows Server 2008 Enterprise SP1 32bit
http://forum.amtech.com.vn/attachmen...1&d=1207997836
04-24-2008, 10:33 AM
Stanley Pain

Anyone thinking that 2k8 is going to be faster in 3D is kinda silly.

The major difference in terms of speed between a server OS and a non-server OS is going to be I/O operations. More specifically I find that 2k8 can handle a much bigger load across memory, cpu, harddrives and still remain responsive (and processing your data). With this comes some more stability, but I only have very anecdotal evidence.
04-24-2008, 09:11 PM
Ron 61

Thanks for your work bakalu. I use to have hope for vista but not anymore. Looks like my hopes for server 2008 have been dashed also. Long live Windows XP SP3.
04-25-2008, 03:06 AM
MuffinFlavored

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron 61

Thanks for your work bakalu. I use to have hope for vista but not anymore. Looks like my hopes for server 2008 have been dashed also. Long live Windows XP SP3.

After doing some testing myself, running around with the best Linux distributions you can find, and even running Mac OS X on my PC, Windows XP is the obvious choice.

I feel like I should make a blog about.

Kind of off-topic, but how do Media Center and Windows XP relate, performance wise?
04-25-2008, 03:15 AM
tiro_uspsss

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

Kind of off-topic, but how do Media Center and Windows XP relate, performance wise?

i dare say they'd be exactly the same.. iirc MC is just XP with a diff look :shrug:
04-25-2008, 11:09 PM
bakalu

CPU Q6600 2.4GHz
SLI Asus 9600 GT TOP & Asus 9600 GT

Benchmark 3DMark06

Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit + hotfix
http://forum.amtech.com.vn/attachmen...1&d=1207998211

Windows Server 2008 Enterprise SP1 32bit
http://forum.amtech.com.vn/attachmen...1&d=1207998211

Benchmark Call of Juarez DirectX 10

Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit + hotfix
http://forum.amtech.com.vn/attachmen...1&d=1207998211

Windows Server 2008 Enterprise SP1 32bit
http://forum.amtech.com.vn/attachmen...1&d=1207998211
04-26-2008, 02:18 AM
hstuehmeyer2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss

i dare say they'd be exactly the same.. iirc MC is just XP with a diff look :shrug:

yea they are the same thing, the theme is called royale, you can get it here, http://www.softpedia.com/get/Desktop...or-WinXP.shtml

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