I had to go into maintenance mode after the flash to get the board to boot. But the memory settings stick now. Still can't get the IDcc service to start.
Printable View
I had to go into maintenance mode after the flash to get the board to boot. But the memory settings stick now. Still can't get the IDcc service to start.
You might have to uninstall idcc and re-install it.
Should i goto maintenance mode to load defaults? Should i turn on watchdog? Also there are 2 other things with watchdog, should those be enabled? I can now get 11x346 (3.8 Ghz) Corsair 1333 runin @ 1384 with my QX9650 with Stock HSF 8 hours stable under prime 95! I cannot trust auto fan controll though, it lets the CPU get to 73 before bringing fan to only 1800. I think this is a bug as well, fan should be @ 2800 with those temps IMHO. Funny thing is, i have core @ 1.325 (1.22 @ load), with power slope on, and running at 65c with full fan. With my other QX9650 on the Asus Maximus Extr. i am getting 60c CPU temps with 1.45 volts (1.38 @ load), and same multi, fan speed and FSB. I think the DX38BT temp readings are a little high.
I was going to try to push the memory, but since i am a NEWB and GTJ said he fried his ram, i am going to hold off.
Yep, go to maint mode, load the defaults, then turn off the watchdog. You can turn on the "QST" option (I think that's what it's called). Then set all your overclocking options.
Which temps are suspect? If it's the core temps, the board has no influence on them. They're read directly from the CPU registers.
I didn't fry any RAM on this board or any other. The first Corsair sticks I got were defective (chips falling off) and the OCZ issues I had were my own fault for not realizing how sensitive they were. Once I got them dialed in, they've been rock solid. GO FOR IT!!
No go with the IDCC, the service just hangs at "starting".
Ok the highest core temps (1 and 3) are lower than the CPU reading by about 3-5 degrees. I wish the auto-fan controll was more agressive, i want a quiet pc when it is ideling, but i want cool temps at full speed. I have tried the settings in the IDCC but they are screwy.
I thought when you said you were not aware of the OCZ sensitivity, i thought you meant it was toasted :)
Another thing i have noticed, prime95 seems to produce more heat and complete ram usage, beter than anything else so far. What do you guys think about the burn-in program from intel?
What is a SAFE core temp for the QX9650? It looks like the max temp in the spec sheet is 65c, which is hard for me to obtain @ 3.8 Ghz on the DX38BT, but easy on the Asus ME (including core temps).
The Asus ME has some serious RAM problems at 4 slots full though, havnt had a successfull set of ram in the ME @ 4 slots yet even at no OC. Where are you oh perfect motherboard! (975XBX2)
Mine is @ 3.8 Ghz, i have re-applied the paste as well, because that was my thought also. Anyway, i found out soemthing about IDCC. You have to run it on a clean boot, before you attempt to start any other monitor program, ANY! Wait awhile for the service to start before trying to run IDCC.
IDCC. Voltage, and fan control works, YAY! I have no clue why the temperature works reverse... that is laughable! :ROTF:
So if you want the fan to turn on at a lower temp you set it to turn on at a higher temp... :shrug: Its reverse temp... Or temp to fried cpu... weird stuff...
The BIOS update fixed my IDCC issue.
I wish Intel would just put in the temperature ranges. At least on the BadAxe2 version, the temperature limits would show up on the thermometer scale so you could see them show up and move as you were setting them.
OK i have my DX38BT stable 24 hours prime 95 on blend (this seems to be the hardest workout for my cpu, and Ram, i tried 4 different stress tests). QX9650 @ 3.7 (10x370) Stock HSF 63c on core 1 (hottest temp during run) 1.3 VCore, 4gb Corsair 1333 @ 1480 (ones with the big ass heat sinks, stock voltage and timings). I think this is my everyday runner.... Unless....
GTJ please oh guru recommend the best damn water cooling system on the market, price is not a concern, (Ive dumped over 9K on these things this month already, so wtf) :)
I wanna try water cooled, i think I'm gonna replace my 8800ultra with one of those water cooled BFG Tech BFGR88768GTXOCWCE GeForce 8800GTX. And get the best cooler for the CPU. Do i have to watercool the chipset? IF so please recommend one for that as well.
I have gotten to 10x370 by ONLY changing the CPU voltage a little, i will have to research FSB, DRAM and such voltages before i go higher i guess. I am amazed my 1333 ram is stable at 1480 without touching any voltages or anything. I may get another set of corsair 2gb 1600 for my DX38BT.
I am kinda freaked that my other QX9650 in the Asus ME (with the 2 2GB 1600 corsairs) runs so much cooler with more volts and speed, but i tried this one on that MB, and got hot temps as well, they really do change from chip to chip. I can push that one to 3.8 stable with Stock HSF, and this one i can only push to 3.7....
In the process of all this i ended up with Extra stuff... a brand new DX38BT i havnt even opened. An Asus P5E3 (which blows chunks! It cannot handle ram, any kind, more than one stick. I think its a Defect). 4 sticks of OCZ DDR3 Plat 1333s (bought for the P5E3 which DIDNT work.)
I also have the P5E with 4 GB of Kingston DDR2 1600, and a unused X6800, is the X6800 a worthwhile OC chip???
Anyway, GTJ im awaiting your rply i wana next-day this stuff from newegg, or (insert the vendor of choice for the WC unit here), for tuesday.
Running 10 X 380 stable with a minor voltage bump to 1.3. Temps still do not exceed 45C on any cores running P95.
I'm happy !
Oh boy. I'm on the spot now. :)
First, I'm NOT a water cooling expert. My 3 main rigs are cooled with chilled water but I built the chiller from a window AC unit so the only components I bought were the waterblocks. Speaking of which, for the CPU the Swiftech Apogee GTX and the D-Tek Fusion appear to be the front runners. I've been sticking with Swiftech just "because".
You actually don't need to cool the NB at all. At 370 FSB and stock vMCH, it's not really working all that much harder than normal. A small chipset fan wouldn't hurt and since the mounting for the X38 is new, it'll save some hassle trying to get a waterblock that fits.
For pumps and radiators, I'm going have to point you to the watercooling forum. I just don't have a clue and don't want to give you any flaky advice.
Also, check out Petra's http://petrastechshop.com/
I ordered the Swifteck Appogee GTX, the copper plate for it, MCP655 pump, and resevoir, THermochill dual 120 radiator w/ 1/2" nipples, and shroud, D-tec GPU waterblock, BFG 8800GTX BFGR88768GTXOCWCE. Only cost me $1500 ($830 :eek: was the vid card though) ... man those kits sure looked attractive @ $350
Must be everyone is enjoying thier DX38BT !
I'm enjoying mine and I just got 2 more sticks of the OCZ DDR3-1800 to put in.
How's the BIOS coming along for the board? Just bought a house so I have to wait till Feb before I start back into the market for a computer. Otherwise I'd have a X38BT and a qx6850 right now.
The BIOS definitely has some annoyances but from a performance standpoint, I don't see any issues. I had the board dialed in perfectly, then added 2 more sticks of memory and all I did was up the vDIMM one notch.
Actually, I'm kind of in a quandary. I'm stable at 450FSB so now what do I do? I need to put this machine in service but I was telling myself that I need to keep tweaking (I.E. playing with) it for a while longer. :)
Funny things going on. I haven't even started overclocking yet.
Q6700 (2.66GHz/266FSB) with Qimonda 1066 8,8,8,20 worked just fine. If I put in Qimonda 1333 8,8,8,24 the board won't boot. It won't even go into maintenance mode. Not even with 1 stick of 1333.
However, I can go into maintenance with a 1066 stick in slot 1, and 1333 sticks in the other slots, and the board sees them and reports them. I tried going in and manually making changes instead of Automatic by SPD. Then I replace the 1066 stick with a 1333. Still nothing.
Running latest BIOS. Any ideas? I've got plenty of sticks of 1333, so I know they're not bad.
I would think "voltage" but I don't see a lot of info on Qimonda DDR3 memory.
Decided to give Crossfire a try with a pair of 3870's. Just got done putting my 8800gtx back in. I broke 20K on 3dmark 06, but gaming - Crysis and GRAW2, run poorly with a ton of issues.
This board picks up the cards with no issue, and they are definitely operating in crossfire mode. A lot of screen glitches, and some Vista errors on the driver install. I combed high and low for some support tips, but everybody seems to have some type of unresolved problems with these set-ups. Tried so many combinations of drivers and patches my head was about to explode.
These are VisionTek cards, and I called them for support, but the tech I got didn't seem to know what Crossfire was ? He suggested RMAing one card at a time to see what one as fault. When I asked him some questions about the bridges, he said those were at fault. I think both cards were operating fine, but the driver and game support is just not there.
Popped my GTX back in and everything runs great again.
Is there an easy way to obtain authorization for motherboard replacement?
My BoneTrail has a memory socket that generates errors in all the memory
test applications when a module is installed. I would like to get a cross shipped replacement, if possible.
The Intel website support is not very helpful......
Any hope???
If you are registered with Intel as a dealer, you can access to overnight cross ship rma
Here's Intel's info...
North America
Mailing Address:
North America Service Center
Intel Customer Support JF1-275
5200 NE Elam Young Parkway
Hillsboro, OR 97124-6497 USA
916-377-7000
07:00 to 17:00 (US Pacific Time)
Monday - Friday
Okay guys, today I got a little early present from Santa: this nice BOXDX38BT mobo; an Intel QX9650 with a Zalman CNPS9700 NT; 4GB Corsair Dominator CM3X-1800DDR3 Memory; 4 Seagate HDDs and some Lite-On burners and a Big ole P190 that I want to put all of these into ... oh yeah, and TWO Sapphire ATI HD2900XTs 1GB GDDR4 memory each. Kind of nice, huh? I need a starting reference point in the initial set-up ... any help would be nice as I don't have a lot of time ... this set-up is for a friend who wanted it put together like yesterday ... :rofl: I'll be looking for some pointers whenever someone can offer ... thanks
AK
She wants WinXP64bit installed ... I agree as I think it to be the most stable and she doesn't want to have the headaches Vista brings ... :p:
I see your signature and it looks like you have it dialed in fairly well so far ... I am looking to get stability and performance without any serious overclocking ... my friend wants to use this for video encoding and graphic design ... :up:
I have the rig up and running, but have yet to load the OS ... I want to load the OS onto two 320GB Seagate (RAID 0) ... it's taking a bit to go through this BIOS ... should I flash to the newest BIOS before I get started? What does the new BIOS do over the original? I have an external Floppy via USB so I shouldn't have any problems flashing the new BIOS, should I? I see that I can enable to boot from USB ... is there a way for the BIOS to recognize the USB Floppy? Just curious before I get started, that's why all the ???s :p:
Do the BIOS first. No problems booting from a USB floppy. Just enable the boot from USB and set boot USB drives first. Also, make sure you have a diskette ready with the Intel RAID drivers on it. Vista has the driver built in but WinXP doesn't.
Well, I ran into a bit of a problem trying to get the latest BIOS installed before I loaded the OS onto my RAID config ... so I am at the moment just going ahead and loading the OS with the original BIOS and will update AFTER I get WinXP64 loaded.
Can you tell me where in the BIOS is the setting for the voltage for vDIMM? I can't seem to find it ... and as well for the NB. Is it the vMCH? Never heard of that before ... this is my first Intel board ... :p: so please be nice ... :D
The Northbridge is vMCH yes (memory controller hub, what the NB is).
Merry Christmas everyone!!
I was able to load WinXP64 onto the RAID 0 config (two Seagate 320GB HDD) last night with no problems ... everything is stock for the moment ... no tweaks ... just loading the drivers and such ... it actually went real smooth ... :)
But I still have ???s, so AH'LL BE BACK!!
Okay, I tried putting the other 2 GB of Corsair Dominator memory in and it wouldn't boot ... I went into maintenance mode and upped the vDIMM to 2.02v ... and upped the MCH (Memory Controller Hub or to me NB ... :p: ) to 1.375v;
the FSB Voltage Override to 1.300v; CPU Voltage Override (VID?) to 1.350v;
and changed the multiplier and frequency to manual: 9x400 ... and it looks like I was able to boot into windows ... are these voltages okay?
Just going at this nice and slow, seeing that I have never worked on an Intel board before .... but I am liking it as I go along ... :)
Do some OTRHOS or Prime95 testing with those settings to establish a good baseline. The voltages (except for vDIMM) may be a little high. I was able to do 400FSB with everything stock.
nm ..
Never Mind?
I'm a bit jealous of those esata ports my dfi x38 board doesn't have them:mad:
is it normal for my quad to be off by 10c? 25c 25c 35c 33c idling via coretemp? This is on Stock settings with stock hsf.
It's not unheard of. Did you reapply the TIM? For the quads, you kind of have to spread the paste evenly over the surface unlike the duos where you can just put a line down the middle. Also look at the windows performance monitor and see if the utilization is even at idle.
Analog.Quote:
Also is this mobo a 5 stage PWM analog or digital
Intel posted bios 1397 today. No exciting fixes?
What do you do, park on Intel's site and keep pushing the refresh button. :)
Doesn't seem to be anything earth shaking.
yeah...looking for help......I was wrong. It fixed a strange boot thing I had
where if I did a cold boot it would come on, run for a few seconds, and then
reboot all the way. It stopped doing that!!
Ok,
I am starting to have a random reboot issue with my current set-up. It has happened 2 or 3 times in the past week. The machine just plain reboots. Funny thing is, I can run games for hours with no problems, but sometimes it occurs when I am just browsing the web or if the machine is idling. No crashes in windows apps either. No blue screens or event viewer info.
http://www.acsmicro.com/acsftp/Forumpics/current.JPG
As you can see, EIST is running. Do you think this would cause this issue and if I disable it, what tests for stability should I run, and with what settings for that particular test ?
I am also considering backing off on the OC a little. Maybe a little boost on the voltages ?
I wouldn't back off on the OC just yet. It's pretty modest. The first thing I'd check is the vCORE. With it set to "default" both EIST and C1E will mess around with it possibly causing a crash under rapidly fluctuating conditions. I'd set it to 1 notch above whatever the default actually is. This will keep the voltage constant but still let the power saving features lower the multiplier during idle conditions.
Also look at your memory voltage. It's overclocked a good amount so an extra notch in vDIMM might also help. Try the processor first though.
For a test suite, I usually run memtest test 7 for 1 pass just as a first check. You can run test 7 without going through the others by pressing C,1,3,7 once memtest has started. After that, I boot and run prime95 with the Small FFT settings for 30 minutes. This stresses your CPU without stressing the memory much at all. If this fails, then you know it's probably processor related. When that's completed, run "custom" and make sure that the "memory to use" is less than the free memory. If you let it default you'll probably get lots of paging which defeats the purpose of the test. I usually let this run overnight.
Is there any information yet, on whether or not the BadAxe2 will support the new CPUs? If it does, I might be able to resist picking up the DX48BT2 when it comes out.... :)
-bZj
60 minutes on Prime.
The sensor chip seems to read low and the BIOS setting is a little high. The real voltage is somewhere in between. Do you see the voltage changing with the multiplier? If it's stable that's good. If it's changing then EIST and C1E are still controlling it.
Make sure you're using version 1.70 of memtest.
I suppose it could the the PSU but it wouldn't be my first guess. If it's the Silverstone in your sig, then I'd suspect it even less. Memtest is a good first test because it only takes a few seconds to boot (when it works. :)). Prime95 "blend" is the best there is for testing memory. Like I said earlier though, you may have to use "custom" and tweak the total memory used so you don't swap.
The retail NB cooler has a fan clip that comes in the box, does anyone know what size fan to mount to that fan clip?
Primed overnight without a peep. I wonder if that PSU puts a huge load on my wall outlet. I put in a 20A dedicated line for my machine a year or so, and have run lot's of different rigs on it with no issues. I hope it's not one of my Raptors going south ?
1200W should be no problem on a 20A branch especially since it's probably not running at full load. Do you have a surge surpressor or UPS?
Need a little help if you could. I'm going to get this board and a QX9650 and was wondering what would be the best ram? going to put in 4 gig. Thanks in advance.
What the :banana::banana::banana::banana:, drivers from Intels website does not want to install, WinXP 32bit.
All drivers say that not hardware found or something.
Q6700 ES.
LAN driver says like this:
http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=1379848.png
And Sigmatel Audio driver:
http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=1379849.png
Do you have them enabled in the bios ? Do you have SP2 installed on your XP ?
I don't mean to ask simple questions, but I'm using Vista. There is another guy on here that put XP64 on and did not seem to have any issues. I know the support (web-google etc.) is vague on this board. I assume you have the chipset drivers installed already ?
XP is SP3 RC1, if that matters, all is enabled in bios.
Chipset drivers are installed.
Pretty weird.
Where that LAN chip is at board and Audio? So I can check that they are what they suppose to be.
Okay, after what I thought was a clean set-up, I tried a little prime95 testing and I couldn't even get through the start of it ... :( So I downloaded and put onto a CD Memtest 86+ v1.70 ... now I can't get through that for more than 3:57 to 4:03 minutes ... it just locks up ... I have had some errors and then when I reboot and try again, I don't get errors, but it still locks up ... I can't seem to get past 4 minutes in Memtest ... could voltages have anything to do with Memtest not working? I have everything at stock (vCore and MCH) but the vDIMM is at 2.1v ... everything seemed to be in order until I tried prime95 last night ... any suggestions would be great ...:p:
Edit: I have gone straight into test #7 (Random number sequence) and it is still going ... but why would it lock up when it starts out by itself?
In Memtest86+ v1.70, under advanced options, I get the message that says chipset not supported! ???
Why is that? Any clues?
Okay, Memtest is starting to drive me a little bonkers ... I can get through test #7 three to five times without a single error, yet when I let it run through as default, I get LOADS of errors in test #3 ... :( yet, I have swapped out the two different sets of Dual-Channel memory and tried each channel with each pair and it seems random on the errors ... not sure what to think at this moment ... could timings be it? I haven't changed any of those .... SPD has them @ 9-9-9-24 ... I know these modules can go with tighter timings, but before I do, I want to make sure I don't have any physical problems ... I am beginning to suspect I do, though :(
What memory do you have again?
2.1V is a LOT for any DDR3 memory and overvoltage is just as bad as undervoltage. Don't set 2.1 just because it says 2.1 on the sticker.
Because Memtest doesn't recognize the X38 chipset yet. It doesn't affect the tests tough.
Again, what memory do you have? What happens when you go completely stock including vDIMM?
First of all, thanks gtj for all of your help ... I have two, Corsair CM3X1024-1800C7DIN Dual Channel kits (2x1GB) but only one set in now ... I went back and set everything to default (F9) and then configured my RAID setup ... and set memory voltage to 1.9v and timings at default values ... I have changed the processor multi and FSB to (10x400) with a bump-up to 1.3375V on the CPU voltage override, the CPU Voltage Offset enabled, Enhanced Power Slope enabled, the FSB Voltage Override to 1.250V and the MCH voltage Override to 1.300V ... it boots into Windows fine ... what do you think of these voltages?
Just curious if anyone can comment on my last post regarding the voltages ... thanks in advance!
AK
OC result?plz.
A. Has anyone used the eSATA ports with an eSATA drive / device? If yes, how was file transfer integrity, speed, and smoothness (even speed vs choppy) on file transfers?
B. What brand controller chip handles the eSATA ports?
C. If its not the Intel Southbridge, is the thrid party chip routed through the PCI bus?
D. It seems Intel has cut some corners on this board. For those of you who have used the mobo extensively, is it a solid, stable platform with the major features? Or does it give the feel of a slightly buggy, rushed, compromise product?
Yeah, last night I noticed that as well in Everest ... I am going to disable that ... other than that, does it look okay? I ran two instances of Orthos for over 5 hours and ran through all of Super-Pi without errors, but when I tried 3DMark01 for grins and giggles, it wouldn't run straight through ... :confused:
Few other questions please:
For those of you using the Zalman 9700 HSF, is that a three or four wire fan? If three wire, what do you use to vary the fan speed if any?
I hear about the initial BIOS being buggy. Assuming I should flash to the latest BIOS ASAP (before installing Windows,) what BIOS update method do you all recommend? What kind of drive will I need to have? (I have only flashed by iFlash with a floppy or express flash from Windows, so I am a bit ignorant here.)
I suspected the video card as well ... it's a Sapphire HD 2900XT 1 GB, Cat 7.12 drivers and XP64
I went back and put everything to default settings ... and started a little slower this time ... CPU is stock, except for one bump on both FSB voltage override and MCH voltage override ... vDIMM is 1.78v and timings are 9-9-9-24 @666MHz ... I believe things are a bit more stable now ... :)
The Zalman is a 3 wire fan. I use it on some of my other systems but I just have them run full blast.
The CD method of BIOS updating would be the one I'd recommend but it doesn't work and in fact Intel removed that capability with the last release. The original BIOS release is plenty stable enough to install Windows and run the Windows based updater. You can also make a diskette and use a USB floppy drive, make a USB bootable drive, or if you have a Windows PE CD or a Vista DVD, you can boot those and run a Command Prompt and then run the Windows Updater.
I am now getting through Memtest86+ v1.70 without any errors, so GTJ, thanks for the heads up on the vDIMM voltage ... what a difference!!!
I am going to put the second HD2900XT in later tonight and see what happens ... I have 3DMark06 and I think I downloaded the patch ... not sure, but will have to do a search on my other rig to find it ... :rolleyes:
I was not able to use my Zalman 9700 in the P190 case ... :( ... the side fan which is a humongous 200mm fan (the Big Boy!) sits too far down into the case and it touches the fins ... so I had to go to the stock HSF for the QX9650 ... however, the temps seem to be all right so far ... as I said, I have the voltages pretty much at stock ... and Safari So Good!
Computer will be used for Flight Simulator X Very Cpu dependent and also for Photo Work. Element 6 and Olympus Studio 2,Processor QX9650. Would like to overclock 3.6 to 3.8 if possible. This may sound stupid but will probably only O/C when playing the Simulator and turn it back to stock for photo work.I"m not wanting to run all I can all the time hoping to make the system last. Would like to run at least 4 gig of ram. Thanks
Thank you gti et al
Thanks so much for your help, expertise, and patience with me.
I'm looking at soem RAM I'd like to get some feedback on.
What are you guys thoughts on this RAM for the Bonetrail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220278
Might I have a problem with the motherboard on first boot up since this RAMs default voltage is 1.7 volts?