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Originally Posted by Vapor
Why do you think you have the "power" to determinate when and where OPB has the last chance to clean up his name?
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Originally Posted by Vapor
Why do you think you have the "power" to determinate when and where OPB has the last chance to clean up his name?
Thats a very valid point... if (i am not saying you are OPB, just supposing) OPB is cheating, why didn't he play it safe and get a score out in the valid statistical stand point (say within a few 100's of the the median) and still get a WR. That way no one cribs and everythings cool?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
Why would he "make" a insane score which definitely puts him in the line of fire?
Guys, could you please stop the flaming? :confused:
I'll quote ONLY this....Quote:
Originally Posted by KiD0M4N
IF someone was saying things like that for k|ngp|n, I ASURE you that HE HIMSHELF, whould call those guys to get to his benching place, with THEIR Hard disk in hands, so to put them into a SATA slot and bench again with THEIR Hard Disks to replicate the bench.....
ASK OPB to do the same..... ;)
Guys,
Charles asked you politely to keep it civil.
All some of you have done until right now is flaming and name calling.
So I'm gonna ask you all for the last time to keep it on topic and stop the flaming and name calling.
This results in absolutely nothing at all, other than the thread being locked and removed.
every tweak OPB posted after "my topic" that should supposed to be The One, does the same thing, free more RAM, every single one of them!!!! and If those tweaks helped quite a bit on AMD64 platform, everyone here should know that is does very little on Intel C2D platform, especialy for sub 10 Superpi 1M!!!!!!
I can 100% do that Master:)Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
It's not his last chance, there is no 'last chance,' nor did I say this was his last chance...but disclosing the method is his last bastion of hope for clearing his name. It can't be a bug/fluke (too many occurences), therefore it has to be intentional...disclosing the methods is how he would do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaayam
And he can do it whenever/wherever he wants...if he chooses too. Now would be a good time, considering it's the topic of discussion right now.
We know how these benchmarks scale...if someone posted a 3DMark score at 5GHz with cards at 1000/1000 that Hipro/KP/Shamino and others have needed 5150MHZ with cards at 1050/1100 , there'd be equal questioning. And if one of them posted the score at the insane clocks...they'd practically die trying to prove it to everyone else and protect their honor.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidoman
In this situation, OPB would have needed ~5670-5700MHz for 8.906 with his FSB/RAM settings, he got it at 5550MHz. If he had done it at 5650, we'd look at it and say: "damn that's a sick score." But he beat that by 100MHz and that wasn't even his most egregious score.
On top of all that...his performance products are all over the place and have little consistency. If this were some tweak, it'd be consistent, and therefore result in consistent performance products, but his results are far from consistent. 1M is a very consistent, nearly-untweakable benchmark.
Frankly...his responses and his defense really do speak volumes about how seriously we can take his scores. He's not even willing to seriously back them up, he just changes the subject or flames. He's mentioned he wants to clear his name, hoping CDT-IV would do it...but it's not nearly powerful enough of a tweak, and here we are anticipating some effort from him to clear his name we're not seeing it. :(
Awesome, i look forward to seeing pigs fly :)
Heh, heh, heh.......My FIRST quote to you after.....some months?..... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
Firstly please stop that "master" word......Everyone is a "master" of his self and noone elses..... :)
Now......Couldn't you have done that when it was asked to you some months ago?.......
OK......NEVER it's too late until it's late.....
So if you could accept someone "neutral" to your place with HIS Hard Disk in hands so you can put it into your SATA slot and then do your tweaks and get a GOOD score of - let's say - a 32M Super-Pi at 3600MHz, then IT'S FINE at least with me.....
IF the score is BETTER than ALL the other's and not just "average", I myself, will ask you sorry.... ;)
maybe you should lisen to the mods and just edit your reply there.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
well he is accepting your challenge, can all be calm now? admins are asking to stop flaming, please do it, (not pointing to you hipro..)Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
no, neither was he doing flaming nor challenge;) I think I am now sharing step by step way to a neutral person to do that already;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaayam
the only question I have is why sata drive? can it be an IDE?:D
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Originally Posted by Onepagebook
that's cool :)
8181 :D
No problem with the HD if it's SATA or PATA...... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
Good to see things calm down a bit here and OPB is taking the opportunity to clear himself from all the mistery that's involved around him and his scores.
For OPB, i would like to say that my post somewhere in this thread was never meant to bash your English, heck mine is far from perfect so why should i be picky on yours?
It was that i just didn't fully understand it and i wanted to try this tweak but couldn't get the free mem to match the systemcache.
I'm glad to see you adjusted your attitude toward the members here, i mean, i always enjoyed the theads you posted in and teached us about memtimings and stuff like that, you ought to know i have nothing against you budddy.
Let's try to play nice, to everyone. ;)
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Originally Posted by Zeus
that's no problem at all, like I told Charles, IMFU and Vince (during CES 2007), I am 5 minutes temper guy. so no worries,I love to help people no matter what. I certainly remember the communication amount all the members here and I.
Don't wanna participate really and this has nothing to do with parts involved... in fact it's a bit off topic so it doesn't need to be followed.
Just to say human cognitive abilities aren't comparable that way to hardware/software functionning. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by KiD0M4N
Glad to see both sides making the effort here. Thanks guys for trying hard to keep this thread en route to the subject in hand, hopefully we can start to rebuild some bridges round here and put the past in the past
OPB's CDT-iv DOES work as a tweak
but the problem is, is it possible to achieve an incredibaly fast 12min39s @ 3.6G DDR2 1230 5-5-4-5?
using opb's CDT-iv tweak, it should easily do 12min30s with DDR3 1700ish 6-5-5-15 or DDR3 2000ish 8-6-6-x last but not least,
is it possible that result is achieved at a higher clock and the clock is detuned later to 3.6G?
http://xs120.xs.to/xs120/07435/36gpi32mfastest-OPB.JPG
i shaved 4,2sec by only changing from raptor to iram at 3600... think about it...
I saved nothing by going to iRam, but as we see on the above picture, we can easilly see that 12.55m to 12.39m on DDR2 is HUGE difference....No?.....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen
Here's my humble contribution. Purpose was to see what's the difference between CDT and another copy waza method for Spi32M.
So; I've ran 2 32M yesterday @4.8GHz (wished for better clocks but the chip is FSB bugged @about 535FSB :( ); testing conditions are basically the same (see screenshot for hardware details). Both times, available real mem was about 543k with a difference of let's say 1k which is not significant IMHO.
1) run with CDT = 10m 33s
2) run after reboot with one of my cw .zip file = 10m 29s
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6...0m29672ap8.png
Sorry for not having ran an untweaked one, but I'm quite sure it would have been slower than 10m 33s on my P5B.
To be back on topic. As it was said earlier in this thread, if CDT's really 60% of an entire method; so that's logical, it works and after comparison with another cw method, it can be improved.
Please don't post again in this thread before thinking! Admins asked to stop flaming, so please don't! This thread is already 10 pages, with no more than a few posts being really ontopic/informative/positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final1977
Also, you do not think someone here, or OPB himself is that stupid to claim results at lowered clocks, do you?!
OT:
I am really happy to see everything is going to normal again. We've all missed OPB, no? Thanks to Fugger, IFMU and all other who contribute to resolving the problem!
My point - No one thrashes his name for a few stupid ms in SPi. ;)
Have a nice day,
Abyss
I agree absolutely, why all this problems envolving a abandoned benchmark? I mean, the XS is not all about SPi, its about to be extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mord
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Originally Posted by before
So what you say is that you haven't seen "THE" gain out of it and it's a bit worse than Copy Waza?....
I'm not going to say anyone is cheating as long as I think the score might be possible with some crazy tweaks. When I get my new HD and P5K tomorrow I'll try running the exact same subtimings and frequencies as yours together with the CDT-IV and some other tweaks and see if I can beat my own personal record @ 3,6G (which is not too good anyways :p:).
@ OPB: Did you use any other tweaks in that 13.75sec run? And could you tell me what theme you're using? Thank you :)
On one hand, that's right buddy, no magic gain, not as efficient as another cw method.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
On the other hand, it was said to be 60% of The method so if we believe that... what can we conclude if we don't know the remaining? :)
TBH, I prefer my method ATM... not as time consuming as 60% of CDT are, and little faster.
I was just curious.
Before, are you using a .BAT file to do CW? :o
Im ashamed...
RAM EEPROM programmer
Is that freeware, and if not, where can I buy one...? I'd really like that, especially with my new DDR3 =)
.... Sorry for the off topic part above...
Kevin, I'd really like you to explain that neat result... I must admit, I find it obvious as fake... - I'd really like you too explain, cause, you dont admit it being fake - I really have something to learn from you if its valid... - My SPI 1M product is usually between 49800-51000, depending on ram speed and timings...
you would be pretty good as a lawyer :lol2:Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
For what it's worth Kevin you got my apoligize.
You finally showed something that worked so it's all fine for me.
Those that are still on amd should try the tweak, those that are on intel should reconsider their steps in applying it.
At first i couldn't get it to work either, now i shaved of 0.8secs SPI 1M.
I have a C2D laptop but for some reason superpu won't run on it otherwise i would have proven the tweak on that system as well.
Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardyMan
Can you write step by step what you did? (including any pauses between copying etc) :) If you can, throw in a screenshot showing task manager memory sizes before the Pi run as well.
Ok i will do that right away :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mrlobber
I don't get it, totally puzzled here.
Freeing up the available memory works fine, i even got up to a point where i had more avaialble memory than system cache (see pic) but it gives me ZERO gain in terms of SuperPi.
Did all what it takes, maxmem set to 600, 512mb fixed pagefile on the same partition i run SuperPi from (D) free'd up the memory with this tweak but got no love. :(
This is al i did and like said
stock cpu + maxmem at 680 =29.4secs
stock cpu + maxmem and this tweak = 28.8, 28.6 when i push it even more.
So what you say is that you haven't seen "THE" gain out of it and it's a bit worse than Copy Waza?....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gaayam
and there are other who have seen "THE" gain out of it and it's a bit better than Copy Waza hipro.....Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
...so mixed results rather than an all out failure so far
Nope, cannot say that cause i haven't tried copywaza yet but i will later on. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
that can be said for original copy waza too from my tests LOL :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo
Now there IS something - I wonder if you randomly choose 30/40 people on this forum and asked them to explain how to do the "copy wazza trick" how many different ways you hear? 5, 10, 15?!Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Everyone seems to have their take on what needs to be done - even if you do it the same the error margin isn't exactly small as I'm sure you or anyone else who's tried this is aware.
In all honesty we'd be better off agreeing on what exactly IS the correct copy wazza process, then making a comment on what exactly OPB is trying to do here as well. I fear however neither of these will get resolved anytime soon :(
*edit*
Eva you ever get a chance to see this:
http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/jas...pywazza-1.html
it's quite good - watch it (maybe a few times) and tell me who it stacks up against with you've done things in the past, may be of some use?
What wrong with your explanation, Johnny? (http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/sh...38&postcount=3)
yeah i have read that and followed the advice a few times not much difference from untweaked/no maxmem runs variations between -/+ <1-3 seconds inconsistentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo
First I must say I applaud the work that OPB has done explaining this on OCX. Next it would be great to see more posts in this thread with results. I planned to run stock vs. CW (if anyone wants me to use specific numbers for this or a specific method feel free to say so) vs. CDT last night but had a problem with my OS install. If I can't resolve it this evening then I am sure I will have time to on saturday. I know in the past the large gains had been disputed at the same time I must admit the descriptions of Super Pi (how it works, and what part of the system is used for each section of calculations) I have seen from OPB have exceeded any I have seen anywhere else. Finally I would like to think I am a very neutral party in this dispute. :up:
CES is coming up fast and I can arrange a bench off. :rofl:
If that doesnt work we can take it over to fight club and use their cage. :shrug:
hmmm that actually would be interesting to see.. the bench off i mean :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
OPB's not going to CES.....Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Tweak seems to have a opposite effect on intel, can't figure out why.
I have installed xp instead of Vista on my laptop
and stock i get 23.2secs
with tweaks applied like on the amd system i lose time instead of gaining !:confused: :shocked:
23.5
don't know why though, will try to figure it out later today .
Just wanna say one thing Kevin...note my usage of the words "readily explained." Not once did I use the word "cheat"...you're the one that brought that up. We're ready for any sort of an explanation. Even reading you clearly state that you're using your EEPROM programmer would be some progress. ATM, as I said, we aren't getting anything but flames out of you. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
Get the cage ready Charles, and I'll get my popcorn ready. Give the guys a couple of months to hit the gym first to make it enjoyable for the rest of us. :p:
What's an EEPROM programmer anyways? Some kind of software? :hitself:
A programmer for Electrically Erasable Programmable Read-Only Memory, the hardware chip where the component BIOS is saved on.
Or where the SPD is stored on memory sticks ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wittekakker
Ha, ha, ha...I was testing 32M at 3600MHz with the Yorkfield.....
I had to go though coz my wife was expecting me to eat so I'll continue tomorrow.....
The score was 12.08min without Copy Waza or anything..... :D
York IS FAST....:D
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Originally Posted by hipro5
:eek: :up:
oh, i'm not in a good mood today 'coz of 1st time i got a THREATEN here on XS by someone big.
about opb's tweak.
yes, it's complicated and may not be that easy to fully understand.
same here, i also got tons of questions about that and totally shocked by the performance he shows.
but, i will not doubt him but will try myself to see if i can catch up with him.
if not, i'll ask him in person for some hints.
this is the way what I think is the right way we should go in such situation.
that's not easy to find and post such a tweak.
THAT, does not sound good. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorWang
About the tweak, I think I have the same 'issue' as eva2000. Atleast I think it was he... I almost get no gain regardless of what tweak I use. I have not tested this tweak yet but I will test it regardless of the result other has archived.
For me it does not matter if someone can run SP32M @ 3.6GHz 12 minutes flat with Yorkfield or if someone can get 10 seconds better time with a tweak. I greatfully try to learn from every posted tweak so that I myself maybe can get a better time. (Thanks for sharing! :up: )
I have an example of a 32m run done last month.
It's not CDT-Tweak, its other/older tweak. Basically 2 ".bat" and 2 ".reg"
http://simon.webideal.ca/Temp/opbtweak.JPG
It desactivate all services, clean temp and few others things I ignore.
NOTE : I'M EXTREMELY BAD AT SPI / TWEAKING
first run is without OPB tweaks, almost stock windows
13m21s
second run is with OPB tweaks, same stock windows
13m04s
I've tested 3 run of each and the results were similars
It's done in single channel (was waiting other memory)
lol master, next time don't type 12m08s like 12.08,Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
it scares me..
the best time for spi 1m from yorky is like this:
no tweak no driver(only intel inf installed)
http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/...i1mnotweak.png
Nice one Kevin! :up:
These Yorks are in another league, unbeatable with current CPU's.
What's the trick to get performance level 5 to work?
With a divider i can get as low as level 6, running 1:1 won't let me run lower than level 7.
what about run your strap down to 1066 and take the 4:5;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Thanks for sharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
I have no idea if there are others like teamjapan for example that are already using something similar but if not...
Now if we take this tweak together with the CDT tweak plus one super finetuned memory subsystem we might just see some very nice results.
What if OPB has even more tricks like these up his sleeve?
:sofa: lol
That's why we need you around man, i've been asking all over what that strap function in bios was, nobody seemed to know.
You were spot on:
you can't cheat like that:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
**don't do 32m on the 3120t from the TREF...that's gonna waste too much:D.. you can try 16384 on the 32m
Wow, good to see you post here again OPB. I hope you keep it up. I am not a Pi bencher so alot of this is slightly over my head, but that is how we learn.
I'm currently not seeing any gain from the CDT-IV tweak after reinstalling the OS, need to do some investigation on what's different from the other one.
The gain Supertim0r is seeing is probably mainly from LSC = 1, however after testing with SPI 8M I see a 0.2s gain constantly with OPBs regtweaks and the cleaner.
Well im just glad to see one the greats back, furthermore since i havent been playing around with my intel system im glad to see Tref mentioned, that has got to be the most mysterious timing...
Edit: i remember some test i did on A64
0016= 200MHz(7.8us) 11x230MHz 1:1 Latency 159ns Memory Read 404Mb/s (Everest Ultimate Ed.2006)
0032= 200MHz(1.95us) 11x230MHz 1:1 Latency 41.1ns Memory Read 4820Mb/s (Everest Ultimate Ed.2006)
0064= 200MHz(7.8us) 11x230MHz 1:1 Latency 40.2ns Memory Read 6452Mb/s (Everest Ultimate Ed.2006)
3120= 200MHz(15.6us) 11x230MHz 1:1 Latency 38.8ns Memory Read 7120Mb/s (Everest Ultimate Ed.2006)
4672= 166MHz(7.8us) 11x230MHz 1:1 Latency 38.8ns Memory Read 7125Mb/s (Everest Ultimate Ed.2006)
Rather weird question maybe but did you run windows update with your new install?Quote:
Originally Posted by elmor
I have a feeling this might have something to do with CW and CDT not working properly, don't know for sure though, it's just a hunch.
No Windows Update.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Yeah i'm also doing a fresh windows install with fresh unattended compiled winxp pro sp2 cd to see if it helps :)Quote:
Originally Posted by elmor
That's what my theory is, the CDT tweak works significantly better than a good copy-waza only on some special OS conditions which many of us haven't been able to duplicate yet :( In the last days I've tested like a couple of dozen of different copy-waza methods on the same OS and identical hardware configuration... all of them, including CDT (the part I know about it at the moment), have a difference of maximum 3 seconds at 3600Mhz.Quote:
Originally Posted by elmor
We here in Hellas, pronounce it: 12.08m....:D :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
Yes York is fast.....;)
http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hip...MHz_12.500.png
hehe ddr3 is known to be faster then ddr2 in superpi 1M :D
Hipro, what memory voltage is that? 2.28v?
Guys, this tweak definitely works! I tested it myself and shaved of 19 seconds vs regular run and 15 seconds vs copy waza. I didn't even bother copying 3 times and using maxmem (was just testing around :))
Here are my times:
Regular:
13m 21.781
Copy-waza:
13m 17.453
CDT as discribed by elmor but without maxmem and I copied file 3 times (D>C) + 1 time (D>D) + 1 time (C>D)
13m 02.625
Might do even better if I did maxmem + 3 times copy :)
See attached images
Not bad at all!
Awesome :)
Kiwi, you gotta come over to me with your HDD and show what you did lol :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
Again, this seems to be dependent of some Windows property, for instance, a registry entry some people have by default while other's don't, and we should dedicate ourselves finding out where this "key" is to be picked up. The CDT instructions are actually straightforward, at least the way elmor described at the beginning of this thread... but somehow they work for half of guys and the other half is left wondering with their "curve_hands.dll" :p:
Right AFTER 278 Posts what do the Mods/Admins/Legends and Experienced, Known Oveclockers think? We could cut this thread to a summary before 300 posts it would be great.
What CPU, FSB and memory speeds, and how big is your copy-waza?Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
ya, for example, don't set any size of L2 cache when you run pi instead of trying some hex number like 1000, 2000, 3000(yorks):)Quote:
Originally Posted by mrlobber
Retested on my 24/7 system (E6400 / DFI Infinity 965 Dark/2x1 GB Teamgroup PC5300 / 8800GTX) on dirty OS with absolutely no tweaks except realtime priority and affinity on 2nd core. No difference between copy waza (600 Mb C:\ -> D:\ and D:\ -> C:\) and CDT :shrug:
Kick ass kiwi. :woot: Glad to see this thread back on track. :clap:
No, it's 2.35Vdimm... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoxxy
Really nice kiwi!! :up: Now I am really have to pull my thumb out of my ass and do some serious testing. ;)
Trick not work for me :rolleyes:
My previous time only with waza and some popular tweaks - 4:40 in PI 16M --> ( polish national sport :rofl: )
With this tweak I have the same time. Settings of hardware the same for one and next run.
Martin
So maybe kiwi didn't do "well" the Copy Waza!.....
Kiwi, could you try a Copy Waza of ~4GB rar file with Page file 384-384......:)
Sorry for the OT, but isn't that a bit high...? Here I have ~2.32v:Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
http://loppmarknader.se/blossas_albu...1m_13_921s.jpg
I have later found out that it is possible with even lower voltage.
_
X38 and Cas 6-5-3-5-13-5-43-Perf.Level=5-15-16-2-6-2-2 AND 1T and Rams at 900MHz(1800MHz DDR) that I work now, is difficult enough plus my rams need that high voltage.... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by blossa
Could you post a WinRAR bench at 3600MHz as your above picture?...
I can not do that atm, I will try that later. The reason is that my system seems to like other dividers better( ?? ). Also, strangly enough it seems like 7-5-etc performs very much the same as 6-5-etc with lower voltage. I have to test more to confirm that though. I am a poor bastard so I do not want to risk my RAMs to much yet with high voltage. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
To not go to much OT, a winrar-bench thread might be good?
Btw, to run PerfLev=5 I think I have to use 200-strap. I am not sure but I think that screenshot was with 266-strap.
Last time OT for me in this thread. *sorry* ;)
Copy-waza can net you around 10 secs if done properly, right? (at least that's always been the case for me). Kiwi has a gain of 20 secs - seems too big for copy-waza only...Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
CW can give me arround 20s vs regular, so i think kiwi dont have a good wazza...
He gained ONLY 4sec with Copy Waza and 19sec with this tweak.....So not good Copy Waza or at least the method of it that he performed....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by mrlobber
No, Performance Level = 5 can be get at 266 strap with Cas 6.......If you put Cas 7, you can't get it....You can get only Perf. Level = 6 out of Cas 7....Quote:
Originally Posted by blossa
....and Cas 7 with the exact same ram timmings as Cas 6, have a difference of about 100MB/s in WinRAR coz in one hand you have Cas 6 AND Perf. Level = 5 and in the other hand you have Cas 7 and Perf. Level = 6...... ;)
you mean this conversation :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/663/img0297wa1.jpg
makes no difference......this was tested by a few reliable guys and make NO difference at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet
Please provide full info before saying it works (as per OPB screen...that should be sufficient info). it's hard to judge if we don't know where you're atQuote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
i will be testing Kevin's tweak soon as i was shocked to see that time as well on OCX and would certainly like to improve my times by 20 seconds or so
...... so far i have to say that not one person has been able to actually do Kev's tweak properly yet in this thread >> why???? i don't think i would actually consider anything other than 12m40s few seconds up or down as "PROPER" runs........anyone that shows us 10,15,20,30 seconds gains does not make any difference if your times are still in 13m plus category @3.6GHz with same or better RAM MHz and timings if you understand what i am saying. Any guys here which are going to seriously bench these tweaks should have equal or better configs otherwise what is the use of comparing....ideally the settings supplied should be the same to make apple>apple comparisons >>> Elmor sorry mate but you really need to run at equivalent or same settings as OPB if we are to compare your results with his
i've done sub 13m with 617MHz 4-4-4-x on DDR2 RAM so a tweak like this with these settings easy 12m40s-something if i get the tweak to work properly.
Kevin, is there anything else you may have accidentally left out of description such as some other OS setups or ANYTHING else.
would it also be possible for you to run 514MHz*7 1:1 4-4-4-x runs with plain and CDT tweak on a fresh install of standard OS with tweaks as explained and full disclosure of all timings and what was done. i think buttertoast asked if it was possible to make a video of this....that would really make it crystal clear i guess. >>>> you get the idea >>> completely same settings for everyone and then just run the tweak >> this would actually be good if Kevin could show up for CES and have fugger or someone prepare two identical systems and then do the runs........that way we will put this one to bed forever and stop this age old debate.....:).
that 32M time is amazing but i think what is even more amazing is the 1M time and this is the one i really want to nail. I think it was really the 1M time that really shocked me....sub 13.50s at 3.6Ghz is just :eek: on DDR2 CAS5..........i have never been able to do anything significant with wazza and 1M so this one is looking especially tough so it is really interesting that it works....fingers crossed :).
:confused:T_M what sort of a brain fart was that man >>> why even bother posting :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
why not try the tweak and tell us how you actually did. That would probably be more productive
:shocked: i get around 8-9 if done properly :shocked: but lately it's been worse as well lolQuote:
Originally Posted by andre X_X
You mean in registry for "SecondLevelDataCache"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
lol, maybe i have the most dirty windows :D.... but 20s is real :D
dinos22 is right, none of guys having spi time above 13min@3.6ghz on ddr2 are not comparative and dinos22 ram timing do not have some influence on 1M, like hipro5 said you can set 5-5-5-5-15 with only one stick, and 4-4-2-4-4 with BOTH (dual channel) and you can't still make not even close difference like OPB has, so it is not having anything with ram timings or eprom programming, just win tweaking.
Yes.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Copy wazza, Maxmem, Defrag RAM nor CDT have never made a difference with my testing... nor increasing pagefile, nor keeping it at 'X' size (for SPi).
Windows OS tweaks and RAM speed/timings have. :)
Because all those above methods work on behind the mark is decreasing system cache and maximizing more RAM by allocating more RAM marked off by other threads so freeing them for a new software to use - and I already have 820MB/1GB free to start with when benching using a standard RAM free-er, so pointless trying for me.. you gain nothing more.
They would help with someone who has too much RAM being used up elsewhere and/or an untweaked system - not fully tweaked/stripped down. They should also help your EVEREST Memory benches if anything. (test them)
If I use the CW, CDT, Maxmem separately each time isolating them, then Maxmem and CDT show the same "little" gain to me in 1M (less than 0.4s) but there is none for CW.
All this seems to depend HIGHLY on your choice of system and setup for some reason I can't lay my finger on and I understand much of how Windows works, but you cannot say "I didn't get it and so its untrue" because then so would CW and Maxmem be. So far you are each just going off individual experience and truthness.
Thanks for sharing the tweak OPB. I don't doubt that you experienced what you presented and shared with everyone else openly without call. Computers can be funny at times and not completely understood at all. :)
Dinos, take that stupid pic of me down! I don't think I coulda looked/felt any more cracked out that night while @ 2AM watching Charles and OPB chatting away on my phone for ~30minutes. Add to that the fact that not only did I just drive 45 minutes to meet up with you guys, I had gotten pulled over for speeding and given a sobriety test :rolleyes:
FWIW, even I've run a 32m with a C2Q @ 9x400, 600mhz DDR2 4-4-4-4 with absolutely no windows tweaks whatsoever -> ~13m15s. So I have a feeling that although 12m40s is an outrageous time @ that speed, it's within the realm of possibility.....with the right tweaks of course ;)