It depends on usage - I had my folding 24/7 and lasted a month.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
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It depends on usage - I had my folding 24/7 and lasted a month.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Uhm, can I introduce you to himQuote:
You're wrong - it's the board no matter what EVGA claims. I've had my OCZ 8500 dims damaged by the board - got rid of it and bought the Asus P5B deluxe, put in the OCZ replaced ram and am running them at 2.4 without a hiccup - the board sucks.
I've seen it on other forums as well. There are people losing DDR2 to voltages over 2.3V after a month or two on other non Nvidia reference boards. There are also those that are running Dominators at 2.4V on Nvidia boards since November with no problems still. It has got to do with the variances in how these RAM manufacturers are binning their chips. Micron chips are not manufactured to run at 1066MHz and beyond, that's just a stupid marketing ploy that many of us fell for and are now paying for in RMA shipping. Just my opinion.....Quote:
There is no such thing as high voltage ddr2 memory. I killed 3 different setts of ram on 3 different motherboards. OCZ flex xlc pc9200 on a p5wdh stick that was in slot 3. OCZ alpha titanium pc 8000 on a intel BX2 mb slot3. Corsair pc 8500 c5 on a commando mb in slot3 also. And would u like to know how i managed this? By running the sticks over 2.2v for any length of time. Its funny when i here people say that they have to pull one stick out to boot. if i install any pair of high end d9 chips that are brand new into a motherboard It will boot everytime at stock voltage of 1.8v. BuT if i run that same memory over 2.2v for any length of time Those sticks will never boot again at 1.8v. I realize some memory specs say 2.3-2.4v But take it from a guy who learned the expensive way., Keep them under 2.2v.
your just wrong buddy, DDR2 is a gamble over 2.2v 24/7 no matter what board used just like alot of respected XS members have said eons ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Think
fact remains a hell of a lot of ppl who have bought the evga 680i boards are complete noobs and have no idea what the hell they're doing when overclocking ....spend 10mins on evga forums and you'll get my drift. so the apparent result is it's the board killing the dimms.....it's not the board it's ppl killing the ram.
don't be surprised if your new RAM also dies with your non 680i board in the near future.
It's definitely a gamble, I do agree - it's XTREME;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mouawad
that's right...........if you choose to run DDR2 no matter what ICs over that vdimm for 24/7 you are going to kill the RAM eventually regardless of the motherboards used.................my RAM works at 2.0v for 24/7......why is it necessary to run the RAM at 2.4v eekQuote:
Originally Posted by mouawad
it's extreme because we bench at extreme not because we run 24/7 systems at absolute extreme....that's just unnecessary reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Think
unless you think you are going to open pages quicker if you run 4GHz on CPU instead of 3GHz :D hehehe
folding....well it will improve but why not just buy a PS3 and be done with it heheheh :D
Now that you mentioned it, I actually toned down my PC over a month ago and just picked up a PS3 on a trade - incredible folding power - running 24/7:)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
:woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Think
Ok..are you saying the rated 2.2v is going to kill the ram or anything over 2.2v...ie 2.25v, 2.3v.....
Hmm..what the symptoms of dying ram....never had any die and wonder if my issues are related to my ram
there is no fine line here but we know the close you get to severe electron migration the higher the chances of RAM dying.....Tony from OCZ is saying 2.5v is the start of the severe level so you need to know if you run your RAM which are designed originally to operate at 1.8v from Micron for example and binned higher (meaning manufacturers just overclock these to sell them for more money) you are increasing your chances of RAM dying.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
i don't see the point of running RAM past 2.2v IN 24/7 SYSTEMS (benching is a different story :D).....i would stick to that max which is a value i personally think is high enough...i can't tell you whether that is the limit where RAM has a much higher percentage chance of staying alive or not though.....
here is the source thread where Tony talks about this
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=124399
and only a week later they release that watercooled RAM with warranty protection at 2.5v ROFL hahahah
why is the 680 the only board that has killed ram of mine even at stock volts. Nvidia have confirmed that in some cases that 2.3 vdimm sometimes spikes. In the last 3 years i have had atleast 20 motherboards(a big mix of brands and models) and only the 680i is the one i lost ram with(4 sticks 2 at stock voltage and 2 at 2.5v benching for only a few minutes at a time). some was at stock volts and some was at 2.5vQuote:
Originally Posted by TouGe
I think my evga 680i killed my 8500c5d as well. I was running them at spec (ddr2-1066, 5-5-5-15-2T, 2.2v). Now they fail memtest in that board (obviously) as well as fail memtest in a DFI icfx3200-T2R. If setting the memory options in the 680i bios in accordance with corsair's specifications makes me a hardware killing noob, then I guess I should just get rid of all of this and play with legos.
you got airflow on those sticks @ 2.2v?Quote:
Originally Posted by theystolemyname
my crucial anniversarys run pretty hot under stress even at 1.9-2.0v but i have my radiator fans putting some nice air over them so it's ok but i wouldn't like to leave them unattended with 2.2v 24/7 thats for sure.
Your correct it was my fault because i paid for the board how on earth could it be the boards fault. next time i will make sure to ask for a board that doesn't kill ram if i ever buy from EVGA ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by TouGe
i think its a mixture of both........i have had two 680i boards kill my ram, one a P5N32-E SLI and the other is my evga 680i......its not evga its the 680i chipset, on the ASUS motherboard there is a sticker wich says board is only covered under warranty with memory on the supported list because of the 680i chipset, so im sure ASUS is aware of this issue.
http://www.evga.com/articles/350.asp
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Originally Posted by darckcrystal
THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING YES PEOPLE ARE KILLING RAMQuote:
Important message regarding memory and the EVGA 680i motherboard
NVIDIA has investigated end user reports of high performance DIMM failures on the NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI-based platforms. During this process we have been in close contact with DIMM manufacturers and the DRAM manufacturers they rely on to understand the failure scenario. By working with our community, we believe that the observed failure is a breakdown of the silicon in the DRAM caused by the prolonged application of 2.4V on the voltage rails of the DIMMs.
NVIDIA’s own internal testing has observed this failure on multiple motherboards using different chipsets (both NVIDIA and non-NVIDIA chipsets). This issue is not directly related to motherboards using the NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI MCP or other chipsets.
If you are using this type of memory and are experiencing this issue, NVIDIA recommends contacting your memory manufacturer or system manufacturer for additional information and warranty information.
AND THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE SIMPLY RUNNING TOO HIGH A VDIMM ON OUR AND OTHER CHIPSET MOTHERBOARDS
hehehe and I just got a 680I.
oh boy which part of that statement are you guys not reading rightQuote:
Originally Posted by phelan1777
they tested other chipsets......................so we can assume they would have had P965/975/RD600 since they are competing ones and found the RAM is dying the same way
so if you got any motherboard or chipset popular today you would have made the same statement
no?
I understand what is being said as, that it seems its the RAM and over volting, not the boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
yeah i guess your post can be interpreted a few different waysQuote:
Originally Posted by phelan1777
i always actively cool my RAM and ive never had a set die on me for a long time, not since I ran 3.6V into a set of ballistix ddr. :p:
ive now been running up to 2.5V on this board into my various sticks and they are all fine. this board is great. :D
And if the 680i was responsible, even in a small part, do you think nvidia would hold up their hand ??? :rolleyes:
I'm pretty damn sure they would not :fact: :slapass:
why do you say thatQuote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
and yeah just to add another casualty count .. i was setting 2.2v in bios ... for 24/7 speed ... funny how i was able to achieve 1200 5-4-4-10 with jsut 2.2v ...
i have no problems with 2.4v like many of you gues have reported that this is the lethal voltage... guess i'm one of the lucky ones. then again my memory is kind of rare outside Finland.
Perhaps because it would end up costing them a TON of money? Dinos if you believe the nVidia & eVGA PR/Cover Our A$$ departments findings, I've some oceanfront property in Afghanistan for sale if youd like a few acres.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I never ran my 8500C5D above 2.2v, ever because of all the problems that had been reported on the eVGA board killing modules. My 2 seperate eVGA 680i boards ate 2 sets in less than 1 month. On a related note my XBX2 has a set of 8500C5D running fine now @ the same voltage (2.2v) for a couple months. I have 2 new 680i boards and 1 new set of 8500C5D and 1 set of 6400C4 to install this weekend. They fail again, I think I will just join theystolemyname and play with legos it would by far be cheaper.
Now hindsights 20/20 if we all had our voltage @ 2.4v and over I would chalk it up to electron migration and call it a day. But, it can't be the 680i that's eating the modules like tictacs. Right! :rolleyes:
Let me go find my Nomex coveralls because I know the nVidia fanbois will be along shortly with flamethrowers engaged.
Funny that I also have a few acres too that are not needed any more, you want some dinos ??? :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hard H20
Hey H20 I want your case :fact:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=107Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarfall
this guys said his 3r board jsut died ... lol no offense .. but u dont sale a mobo until u actually do thorough testing
asus, gigabyte maybe dont have taht customer service compare to EVGA, or vdroop a lot. but at least they tested . so taht there is no need for customer service
honestly i think most of us who bought the 680i AR revision board paid EVGA to be a beta tester
i have never seen any board have such a huge problem by any of the companies
I wish I had one of these lucky overvolting boards.
2.5v is weaksauce.
well just to show u how overvolt it was
i set 2.2v in bios for 24/7 use ... i was able to get 5-4-4-10 auto rest @ 1200 with my OCZ 8500 SLI ...
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Originally Posted by mustang9621
That is so true. Samething happened with Honda and their crappy tranny. They denied the failing tranny on all accounts and was later faced a class-action law suit. Not long after that they announced a major recall on 657,000 units of V6 cars for faulty tranny that will fail and come to a complete stop. The best part is they're giving rebuilt-trannies even in brand new cars...lol...
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Originally Posted by Crimsonite
what, they bundled a transexual with their cars? thats just sick dude. :p:
back OT well still running happily @ 2.5V now for past week, im determined to kill this RAM so I can justify the n00bs. lol. nah like some said I just think you get lucky with your DIMMS, some can handle being run well over spec(1.8V) some just cant regardless of what voltage and speed the companies are binning them at.
common man use a freaking DMMQuote:
Originally Posted by theteamaqua
Has anybody actual tried to measure the voltage to see what the problem was or are we just assuming because we can hit high speeds that the board must be overvolting?
I'm not being sarcastic I'm just curious.
There was someone over at the EVGA forum that monitored the voltage and found no over-volting or voltage spikes on any of the slots he was using.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdumper
Hi. I now have a Gigabyte 680i board rev.2 i think, and i have no dead ram so far (5 weeks)the over voltage problem has been fixed by nvidia now i think.
Sorry for the OT.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
I was just reading trhough this thread when i saw this problem of yours, it matched exactly mine i had on SS and DFI SLI-DR.
My thing was that im using the board "up side down" BTX its maybe called and then the DIMMs end up horizontal underneath the CPU and the evap mount.
There were a very thin little gap venting in air into the evap and socket area, thus creating condensation that stealth sneaked into the bottom of my first DIMM beneath the CPU.
You couldnt see it until after a few days of problems and the copper on the sticks and inside the DIMM“s had tiny small corroded spots wich i saw by coinsidence when using a little LED pocket light.
Considering all the cr4p I had with another platform, my EVGA 680i A2 has been fine untill recently. I thought I gotten over the problems by flashing back to P27 from the P28. P28 let me get an E6600 ES CPU all the way to 3.9GHz & benching with 3DMark06. Most impressed...for about 2 days & then things started falling over. Right now, Im having trouble running a 1GB single stick of Geil PC2 4300 with 1.9Volts up its 4ss! If I put a single stick of OCZ SLI 8500 in the board, I have to use 2.3volts & get random BSOD's revolving around NVNRM.SYS codes.
Personally, I am thinking the mobos Memory Voltage Regulator is shafted or/and it burnt my Ram. The 2GB OCZ 8500 kit never gave C1 Error codes at 1.9volts. No matter how many times I reset CMOS or flash this board back to P27, I get a C1 Error code unless I ramp up the boards VDIMM. Now its got so bad, using the Geil @ 266Mhz intead of the OCZ @ 400, I'm still having to ramp up the boards default voltages but when all this was new, never a C1 error ever!
Just checking the supplier, they are right out of stock! :shrug: :rolleyes:
Ya gotta laugh............
i remember when the thread 1st started and everybody pretty much blamed the guy. but yeah this board is frying ram. my 10th anniversary sticks needed more and more juice as time went buy to boot up. one d9 stick needed 2.3 just to boot at ddr 6400 speeds. problem is, it gets hot and becomes unstable in the super long run.
if i shut down the comp, it would not boot unless i removed one stick, and then i would need to set it at 2.3 volts and reset all my settings, and then i need to reset the comp and lower it back to 2.1 volts. it will operate at 2.1 volts but wont boot up without 2.3 for 1 stick. so i bought a cheap set of d9's and sending my current one to RMA, if it happens again then its definatly the board.
evga said it was the ram that degrades with too much voltage, like 2.4, except i always had it at 2.0
well you set 2 volts in the bios but how much volts or spikes does it put out ?, my Striker board also overvolts, if I set 2.2 volts I get about 2.3. Okay that ain't much, but my OCZ don't like too much voltage or I get weird erratic behaviour... so I set 2.125 to get 2.2...and have some flow over the dimms that will never hurt...
Too bad Nvidia ever released this crappy chipset upon us ... too many issues...
nothing has changed buddyQuote:
Originally Posted by bench261
680i does not kill more on average than other chipsets.........the numbers are just not there to cause any concern...........have you got any idea how many 680i chipset motherboards are floating around
and have you ever really read his post.........he's a n00b and fried his RAM because he most likely did not power off the system properly while changing sticks
Be carefull Dinos if DerekT sees your reply !!!
i dunno about that, i never heard much consistency about 965 or 975 boards killing ram, but the evga site has a thread where all sorts of ppl have this issue, and nvidia is blaming the ram. to say this guy is a noob, is calling all those guys noobs, and most of them are running the ram within spec. 3 months after i received an rma'd board for that p25 bricking bios, one d9 ram got "degraded" at 2.0 volts.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
believe me, ive read the threads over there including the ones where people dont know whats wrong with the comp, when its really a "degraded" stick. cuz i was blaming the mobo directly for the vid card for having no display and having all sorts of error messages on the bootup screen, when it was on a halfway working ram.
its easy to call ppl noobs or think they're a moron until it happens to u, cuz thats exactly how i used to think. the reference board just had too many problems being rushed out until all the revisions were done, and even then they don't like to acknowledge a problem that makes them liable to something, or finally acknowledges it when a fix is made, or just secretly fixes it. there is certainly an issue though, and it's either the old reference board or d9 ram or the combination of both. i guess i'll find out in 3 months. between the makers of d9 ram and a board that has had fsb walls, x-fi crackling, hd corruption, poor early OC on quad cores, bricking bios, coil buzzing, i wouldn't believe what nvidia says cuz it just screams poor testing or QC
i dont know, cuz it took forever for nvidia just to fix the correct temp readings through bios fixes, so i wouldnt trust what the bios says anyway, and for all i know it could be the minor changes within the updated bios that caused a spike...if it existed. i mean some bios caused cpu temp to go up. is it cuz its actually hotter from more voltage even though its at the "same" setting, or is the temp reading just off? like the ram voltage...who friggin knowsQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I wouldn't call 8 years of over clocking making me a noob, and i have been playing with computers for 13 years now. EVGA 680i board to this day(13 years) is still the only board that has fried any my ram and i have had a few 680i boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Please state all the other boards that are frying ram?Some links would be great? thanks.
I can provide verbal proof that a DFI RD600 board fried 1 stick of Geil 4300. There's a link somewhere on XS about some of the fun/bs back then!Quote:
Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
Funny thing was, it was RD600 board #4 that killed the ram, just before it killed itself. All the previous boards had C1 Errors out of the box & anyone associated with Support was telling me it was the RAM SPD that was prolly causing the C1 Error. Another funny thing was that RD600 board #4 NEVER had a C1 error untill is killed one of Geil 4300 Sticks. SO who was talking 4rse where? :rolleyes:
I changed to EVGA 680i, got to 3.9Ghz (435fsb) on the P28 Bios & managed to run 3DMark06 up there. 2 days later, I was getting SB Audigy2 Pops & bangs across the bus but felt it was the chipset amplifying its pain via the sound card. Since all this happened around 12 weeks ago, it's been a slippery slope since, to the point where I was still getting BSOD's with 1 stick of OCZ 8500 SLI using 2.4v which it is rated at. My supplier told me those kind of volts were required by the Ram! - Not true, as the board did post with 2 x 8500's installed with default of 1.9v @ 800Mhz.
My board was an "A2" according to CPUz & is suppose to be free from being capable of frying Ram. Will be interesting to see what Rev I get back from RMA. As far as I am concerned, I RMA'd one dead board & 2 x 1GB sticks of dead OCZ 8500 SLI RAM. Crikey, the Ram had that "toasty-burnt-out" smell about it. :shakes:
Since my first Overclock took place on an Amiga 4000/040 back in 1992, it's taken all these years for me to fry anything & the common denominator for me are the Memory Controllers. They just don't appear to be handling the Frequencies/Voltages demanded & the Digital PWM's, now appearing as standard, may also have some influence on failure as well.
I got so pi$$ed of at my supplier saying it's your "PSU" all the time, I Emailed PC P&C in the USA, opened my wallet (whilst bending over) & prised £319.55 out of it to import a 1KW Quad SLI affair with its own Tester. :eek:
This PSU has been Daddy to 4x RD600 Boards & 1x 680i board & has lived on a UK 250v Mains loop with it's own dedicated "Electrical Filter". The home I live in was totally re-wired only back in 2004. (Home Cinema & Hi-Fi nut here)
I don't think the boards are being assembled with adequate parts. Inferior & cheaper components lead to failures. 4x RD600 boards & 1x 680i (eventually) kinda says, sh1t loads. :mad:
With regard to bench261 saying:
This is exactly what I saw over the last week prior to RMA.......Shutting it down & then getting a C1 Error just for turning it back on is just pathetic! :rofl:Quote:
if i shut down the comp, it would not boot unless i removed one stick, and then i would need to set it at 2.3 volts and reset all my settings, and then i need to reset the comp and lower it back to 2.1 volts. it will operate at 2.1 volts but wont boot up without 2.3 for 1 stick.
Meanwhile, I'm back on my Amiga 4000T - so nice to be "Bill-Free" again! :D
One users claims his P5K dlx is a ram eater too becasue 3 peeps had death rams this week... :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
Speederlander already replied to my response saying probably heat killed one of his 2gb stick, also the other user ran his Gskills at over 900mhz at 4-4-4-12( in relation to his earlier posted SuperPI times ) so he must have used also more than 2.1 stock volts to get there, in case you overclock things can break :rolleyes:
It's a risk we are all glad to take otherwise run everything at stock, if it kills ram then then you can call it a ram eater !!! Heat and electrical components don't go together over 2.2 volts I would recommend a fan over the ram...
On a second note it's nice to have ram at 1200mhz but I wouldn't run those settings 24/7...some users are a bit blinded by some posts of our magic overclocking friends who turn anything into gold... don't try it at home folks unless you are perfectly aware what you are doing :up:
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Originally Posted by Kin Hell
My observation is also that the Memory controller is the culprit, reason being I can run 3325mhz @475FSB 8 hrs Prime no sweat but the memory controller I am thinking cannot maintain at those high frequencies because I get really bad Lan NIC performance even though I am on a dedicated Server PCI-E NIC but when I scale back down to 450FSB NO MORE ISSUES!
We need to petition EVGA to get D.F.I to start making their Motherboards!
nVidia chose to use the same Memory controller for 680i as they did on the nForce4 Chipset which controlled DDR ram. I'm convinced it's this area causing the burnouts. I also recall a similar issue back on the Rambus days. The memory controller could be upgraded to achieve better overclocks without burn-outs. The replacement controllers were of a better grade but cost more to purchase. It might be worthwhile checking out the assembly plants in Ninja land; - Cr4p parts help to keep costs down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
With regard to getting DFI to make boards, don't they already do a 680i LT board? Going by my past experience with DFI, if your petition was started, Im afraid I'd be a dead man, if my life depended on signing it! :p:
These chips are not even close to what the NF4 were!
indeed Nforce4 was a reference in performance, in fact a must have in case you ran an overclocked AMD rig... 680i is only needed in case you really want SLI , manual ram overclocks are great but to me more a gimmick... as I needed al ot of tweaks to get it performing on par with my P5W ( clock for clock that is)
You're quite right. The 680i Northbridge is a completely new design & includes the Memory Controller in its 90nm Fab. However, the memory controller design revolves around nF4 Designs. Even the Southbridge is robbed from the 590 Chipset, yet how many of us actually ever owned 590 Chipset based boards? Certainly not on the Intel side of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
nVidia are convinced it was an awesome platform & helped them get to 680i. I'm sure it did nVidia but the Intel consumer never actually got to own this technology. :rolleyes:
I stayed away from nForce5 chipset & hung it out for DFI's RD600 board, mainly because I had read the nF5 chipsets memory controller would be based around the nF4's chipset. There were also Issues with nF4 Chipsets & Maxtor hard drives back then & whilst I was upgrading from an Opteron/DFI nF4 rig with maxtor Hard drives that actually worked, I wanted newer & faster technologies for my outlay. I also recall reading in Dec06/Jan07, nVidia wouldn't be changing it's memory controller till last quarter 07, maybe first quarter 08. I wish I could find a link where I read all this cr4p & no, it wasn't the "Enquirer". Anyway, rather Ironic that RD600 boards from DFI & 680i boards from nVidia appear to suffer the same deaths. Whilst I have seen serveral boards from 2 different manufacturers & 2 different platforms all die a similar kind of death, common sense will prevail eventually. Just a shame the people making these inferior products can't see the light just yet. In the meantime, punters pay top money for top products using cr4p parts. Summats got to give! :mad:
*edit* 680i Review
i haven't read all the rumors flying around on this thread but speaking from personal experience i've been running 4 1gb sticks of crucial ddr2-1000 on 3 different evga 680 sli mobos and have had no ram problems for over six months, although i can't speak for the other brands of ram with this board
also, evga customer support is 2nd to none
I'll second that! :up: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by coolrmaster
I thrid that. I sent my MB in and I had a new one in 5 days.
I had two EVGA 680's, an A1 and A2 - the A1 was displaying all kinds of strange errors and eventually had it RMA'ed and got the A2
(thumbs up for EVGA - the RMA was done in less than 4 days). Nevertheless both boards killed one 8500C5D kit each, even tho I never went past 2.3v :(