The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

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02-19-2010, 04:18 AM
Teemax

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Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

if that happens then its VERY bad for nvidia as it will be nearly a whole gen behind :/ ATI could potentially have 28nm cards while fermi's still on 40nm

and it doesnt help that TSMC are thinking about changing to 28nm now aswell as im sure nvidia would have sorted their plans for a die shrink to be at 32nm.

we shall see.. nvidia will be fine.. but it still isnt good to be so late :/

(though tbh 6 series wont come out till Q1 2011 (OUR 2011))

Anand stated this in his recent article on Evergreen:
"The Northern Islands GPUs, due out later this year, were surely designed before anyone knew how RV870 would play out. Much less whether or not Fermi/GF100 would be this late."

Maybe Northern Islands have been pushed back since. But I get the impression from Anand's article that ATI is really schedule-oriented these days (at the sacrifice of possible features).

Cypress was released in Sept 2009. If Northern Islands get out on, say, Nov 2010, that would be a 14 month release cycle. Not exactly a stretch.
02-19-2010, 06:37 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by ***Deimos***

http://vr-zone.com/forums/561413/nvidia-quot-fermi-quot-gpus-delayed-yet-again.html

Sounds a lot like a few thousand A3 GPU boards will be shipped to consumers as is (March),
while they re-spin again in hopes of fixing whatever is causing all the trouble.

Its just rumour, but Charlie may be right about "hope TSMC fabs perfect huge chip vs respin adding redudancy like double via to make chip even bigger".
Very tough situation indeed. But unlike G200 which went with conservative 65nm, there is no "55nm" equivalent half-node shrink.. 40nm is already that!

One way or another nVidia needs to fix/work-around 40nm issues till end of '10.

Hahaha, so I was correct then! Any bets on the price of these cards in may? :p:
This is going to be ASUS MARS 2.0! :D

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Originally Posted by ***Deimos***

SSAO is Screen Space Ambient Occlusion. It is implemented entirely on GPU as pixel shader for games like Crysis. Its an approximation to Global illumination. It allows the ambient light sources and colored surfaces to contribute to the lighting of an object (NOT specular reflections) that may otherwise be in shadow. ie when lights are on in closed washroom, everything outside washroom door is a little less dark because of light reflecting off the walls.

nVidia has a driver option for this if I recall.

Yep. Nice option, actually! :up: I used it all the time with my 8800.
02-19-2010, 06:50 AM
saaya

lets just look at those official nvidia replies from last week to charlies article about fermi being delayed to Q2 again :D

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Originally Posted by mapel110

Reply from nvidia.
http://twitter.com/RS_Borsti
Oh Charlie... that just another hilarious post

http://twitter.com/Igor_Stanek
Oh Charlie... that just another hilarious post me: I think with this post Charlie totally destroyed his credibility :)

sounds like nvidia PR doesnt have a clue whats actually going on :D
so much for credibility huh igor? :lol:
02-19-2010, 06:57 AM
Jamesrt2004

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Originally Posted by saaya

lets just look at those official nvidia replies from last week to charlies article about fermi being delayed to Q2 again :D

sounds like nvidia PR doesnt have a clue whats actually going on :D
so much for credibility huh igor? :lol:

its actually rediculous.. it actually is really starting to pi$$ me off... ok I understand to a degree that nvidia have to keep hopes up on the card... but just say.. "we ARE having problems.. we are fixing them as soon as we can if you wait it'll be WELL worth it, but like we said you have to wait and see why..;) "

now if they said that your like LAME its delayed etc.. etc.. but then intreaged that why they are saying the wait will be worth it and to me would atleast make me wait to see what they are hiding...

all this crap with even their PR flaming someone.. whos actually saying mostly the truth (like i say normally charlie is right to a certain extent) .. is just plain wrong.. stop saying the card will be out the next month.. and say we dont know but what we do know... is that you will LOVE it.

seriously... I should have the marketing job... lol
02-19-2010, 07:09 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

its actually rediculous.. it actually is really starting to pi$$ me off... ok I understand to a degree that nvidia have to keep hopes up on the card... but just say.. "we ARE having problems.. we are fixing them as soon as we can if you wait it'll be WELL worth it, but like we said you have to wait and see why..;) "

They can't, Charlie will write like he's on fire once they confirm he's correct! Besides, his info HAS to stay semi-accurate! :D
Besides, they make people hold off their ATI purchases that way, not everyone is following the rumours and release dates so closely.
02-19-2010, 07:18 AM
natty

might as well load up Fermi Thread Part 3
02-19-2010, 07:37 AM
HuffPCair

All I know is I am giving them a little longer and if there cards are not out I am going to get an ATI.
02-19-2010, 07:46 AM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by HuffPCair

All I know is I am giving them a little longer and if there cards are not out I am going to get an ATI.

+1

But fermi is suppose to be released "paper" around first week of March and stock may come by around mid march :shrug:

I am waiting for fermi because they may drive the prices down quite a bit and i may be able to afford a 5970 with a custom water block :up:

Otherwise i'll get either a 5870 with 2GB ram "Either a eyefinity edition or whatever" or if its good enough a GTX 470!!
02-19-2010, 07:52 AM
Jamesrt2004

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Originally Posted by zalbard

They can't, Charlie will write like he's on fire once they confirm he's correct! Besides, his info HAS to stay semi-accurate! :D
Besides, they make people hold off their ATI purchases that way, not everyone is following the rumours and release dates so closely.

I guess just anoyed :( lol :p:
02-19-2010, 08:05 AM
spursindonesia

All i know is, IF the report is true, that Fermi wide availability would finally come in Q2 '10, any XSys forum proponents/supporters of waiting game should apologize or make a new suggestion/recommendation of waiting for ATi's next gen GPU family. You know who YOU are. :rolleyes:
02-19-2010, 08:38 AM
Jamesrt2004

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Originally Posted by spursindonesia

All i know is, IF the report is true, that Fermi wide availability would finally come in Q2 '10, any XSys forum proponents/supporters of waiting game should apologize or make a new suggestion/recommendation of waiting for ATi's next gen GPU family. You know who YOU are. :rolleyes:

why? it's still wise to wait.. its safe to assume when fermi hits ati will drop prices.. even if you have to wait even 4/5 more months then the price drop will warrant the wait in my and alot of people eyes.. i got burned last time when i brought a 4870 for it to drop like £80 a few weeks later.
02-19-2010, 08:44 AM
trueg50

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Originally Posted by generics_user

nvidia is going to get owned by ati in the mainstream market as they have no competitors at all in the 100-200$ range even after fermi is released; what makes things worse is that they seem to prepare high-end fermis only which may open the gap in their lineup from 100-200$ to 100-300$ :eek:

i thought that fermir was late but things seem to be much worse than expected; this thing has been delayed from windows 7 launch timeframe to may = 8 months....

It seems Nvidia has learned from their last mid-range mistake; the lack of a midrange GT200 series cards. As of the last Fermi info brief, it seems Fermi is built to be much easier to cut down then its previous generation GPU's.

Time to twiddle our thumbs, save up our money, and wait.
02-19-2010, 08:55 AM
Piotrsama

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

+1
But fermi is suppose to be released "paper" around first week of March and stock may come by around mid march :shrug:

I think you missed what we posted on previous page, but real availability seem to have slipped to May-July.

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Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

why? it's still wise to wait.. its safe to assume when fermi hits ati will drop prices.. even if you have to wait even 4/5 more months then the price drop will warrant the wait in my and alot of people eyes.. i got burned last time when i brought a 4870 for it to drop like £80 a few weeks later.

That's not his point (I think), he's talking about the guys saying: "Don't buy ATI's high end, wait for Nvidia's". (Regardless of price).
02-19-2010, 09:00 AM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by Piotrsama

I think you missed what we posted on previous page, but real availability seem to have slipped to May-July.

That's not his point (I think), he's talking about the guys saying: "Don't buy ATI's high end, wait for Nvidia's". (Regardless of price).

lol i posted that link and i do know that mass availability may come in May-July but very limited availability can be expected around March-April just so Nvidia can say that things are shipping even if it is in limited quantity.
02-19-2010, 09:06 AM
iTravis

So what do you guys think? Better to get a HD5xxx or wait for Fermi? :confused:
02-19-2010, 09:08 AM
OutSider

you waited till now probably wont be such problem to wait few more weeks :)
02-19-2010, 09:09 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by iTravis

So what do you guys think? Better to get a HD5xxx or wait for Fermi? :confused:

Depends on if you're a PhysX / 3DVision fan...
02-19-2010, 09:11 AM
Teemax

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Originally Posted by iTravis

So what do you guys think? Better to get a HD5xxx or wait for Fermi? :confused:

In the tech world, if you wait for the next best thing, you might as well wait forever :)

Buy it if you need/want something badly enough. Unless a real KILLER feature is around the corner, there's little point in waiting for anything.
02-19-2010, 09:17 AM
flippin_waffles

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Originally Posted by spursindonesia

All i know is, IF the report is true, that Fermi wide availability would finally come in Q2 '10, any XSys forum proponents/supporters of waiting game should apologize or make a new suggestion/recommendation of waiting for ATi's next gen GPU family. You know who YOU are. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I remember that discussion. This was back in early December I believe, and his premise was that since it would be the only card to play Crysis at the highest settings, people should wait for it since their current cards were good enough anyway. Since Fermi would be released in January, it was a no brainer to wait... and wait.... and wait... and wait................
My reason for upgrading is Eyefinity.
02-19-2010, 09:18 AM
eric66

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Originally Posted by OutSider

you waited till now probably wont be such problem to wait few more weeks :)

lol that has been said since november :ROTF:
02-19-2010, 09:40 AM
ajaidev

Wait till March if you are going with ATi you maybe able to get custon 5870's and that 5870 2GB EyeEdition or else if GTX 470 is good enough get that instead !!
02-19-2010, 10:07 AM
Sentential

Quote:

Originally Posted by spursindonesia

All i know is, IF the report is true, that Fermi wide availability would finally come in Q2 '10, any XSys forum proponents/supporters of waiting game should apologize or make a new suggestion/recommendation of waiting for ATi's next gen GPU family. You know who YOU are. :rolleyes:

I hear ya on this one; if this is true I am going to scrap any thoughts of going Fermi; that I can promise.
02-19-2010, 10:15 AM
spursindonesia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

why? it's still wise to wait.. its safe to assume when fermi hits ati will drop prices.. even if you have to wait even 4/5 more months then the price drop will warrant the wait in my and alot of people eyes.. i got burned last time when i brought a 4870 for it to drop like £80 a few weeks later.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotrsama

.............
That's not his point (I think), he's talking about the guys saying: "Don't buy ATI's high end, wait for Nvidia's". (Regardless of price).

Sorry, haven't made my intention clear on that post, but Piotrsama explained it well. :)

I'm just so pissed, after NV30 and R600 debacles in the past, some of us still haven't learned any lesson at all. :down:
02-19-2010, 10:21 AM
mapel110

There is no reason to believe that fermi will be as weak as an R600 or an NV30.
02-19-2010, 10:28 AM
Olivon

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