ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

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05-16-2008, 06:11 AM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by AliG

Come to think about it, the r600 could be looked at like the r520. It lost to nvidia's high end, but isn't wasn't made to win, it was made more so as a test to pave the way for the next big bomb they drop on the market.

I'm not entirely sure where you came up with that theory but it's not completely right. Both the R600 and R520 were made to win, the R600 just got blown out of the water though. The R520 was a different story, there ATI had massive delays because of some mistake in their design (which seemed rather easy to fix after they found it though, a major blunder in other words). R520 was supposed to launch alongside NVIDIA's 7800 GTX, it just missed that date by a huge margin. R520 would have been competitive with NVIDIA if it would have been launched around that time, it just didn't happen. R580 was launched just the way they planned it, which seemed early for us as R520 was just entering the market, but there were no delays for R580 and there was enough reason to launch it even though it would give R520 a short lifespan.
R600 was just failure compared to NVIDIA, R600 did as ATI expected it to but NVIDIA just did way better than ATI expected.
But all this is of coarse a bit off-topic.
05-16-2008, 06:19 AM
Monkeywoman

"We have received some preliminary performance numbers from CJ for Radeon HD 4870 and 4850 vs the current GeForce 9800 series lineup. Apparently, RV770XT with GDDR5 (160W) will run 1.3X faster than RV770PRO with GDDR3 (110W). Two key factors that contribute to the 30% difference in performance between the 2 cards: a 100MHz core clock difference and a faster GDDR5 at 1.96GHz vs GDDR3 at 1GHz. Interesting, RV770PRO will run 1.25X faster than GeForce 8800 GT/9800 GT while RV770XT will run 1.25X faster than GeForce 9800 GTX."-vr-zone
05-16-2008, 06:52 AM
Macadamia

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

By that definition posts like this would also apply. As stated in that post all is taken with a grain of salt. I believe you have forgotten that most information in this thread has been speculation.

Yes, but there is no need to weight speculation according to who's important...

It's a little hard to swallow that the 8800GT vs the 9800GTX is really ~30%, I thought it was about 20% max.
05-16-2008, 06:57 AM
Eastcoasthandle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macadamia

Yes, but there is no need to weight speculation according to who's important...

It's a little hard to swallow that the 8800GT vs the 9800GTX is really ~30%, I thought it was about 20% max.

This is were comprehension is needed. It's not about the person. This is where your post is incoherent. It's about what's being speculated. Places like VR-Zone are also pointing in that direction. In the future it's better to look at the overall picture and not view speculation based on someone's importance. Had you done so, your would have heeded to my warning in the very post your quoted.
05-16-2008, 07:01 AM
Miwo

very nice, and just in time for Tax Rebate / Refund spending :)
I can't wait to see how well the 4850 and 4870 OC when given some extra volts. With all that extra texturing power, it may be worth it to pick up the DDR5 variant if this new chip is bandwidth starved
05-16-2008, 07:18 AM
nemsis

The Monster ... R7xx series

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/719...x2specscf2.jpg

I hope 4870 will beat 9800GTX :clap:
05-16-2008, 07:37 AM
Macadamia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

This is were comprehension is needed. It's not about the person. This is where your post is incoherent. It's about what's being speculated. Places like VR-Zone are also pointing in that direction. In the future it's better to look at the overall picture and not view speculation based on someone's importance. Had you done so, your would have heeded to my warning in the very post your quoted.

But-but-SNAP
That's a far gap. Esp. considering the GT200 is estimated to more than double 2 G92/G80s, 55nm or not.

I wouldn't say speculating is wrong, even though I do frown on one-line throwaways about such things to drive the masses up and/or, unless it comes from people like CJ :)

VR-Zone? A mix of good, bad and ugly. Flooded with the pile of sensationalism that I so despise.
05-16-2008, 07:38 AM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by nemsis

I hope 4870 will beat 9800GTX :clap:

How old is that graph? :rolleyes:
05-16-2008, 07:57 AM
Eastcoasthandle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macadamia

But-but-SNAP
That's a far gap. Esp. considering the GT200 is estimated to more than double 2 G92/G80s, 55nm or not.

I wouldn't say speculating is wrong, even though I do frown on one-line throwaways about such things to drive the masses up and/or, unless it comes from people like CJ :)

VR-Zone? A mix of good, bad and ugly. Flooded with the pile of sensationalism that I so despise.

But CJ is saying that the RV770 will be faster then 9800GTX by 25%. See, more and more sources are pointing in that direction. Are the sources correct? We will soon see once it's released. Is is still sensationalism or is it a problem with just you? It's never wise to only rely on one source to formulate an opinion be it true or otherwise.
05-16-2008, 08:50 AM
nemsis

Quote:

Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

How old is that graph? :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:it is not old
05-16-2008, 09:21 AM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by nemsis

:rolleyes:it is not old

Look at the first post of this thread please... :rolleyes:

Original source: http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=255294

Date: March 28th, 2008
05-16-2008, 09:23 AM
AliG

Quote:

Originally Posted by nemsis

:rolleyes:it is not old

dude where the hell have you been?

I'm trying my best to keep my cool, but seriously, that was the original post of this thread, which has had 30 pages of discussion.

man stargazer don't you :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing wonder if anyone bothers to read this thread?
05-16-2008, 09:49 AM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by nemsis

I hope 4870 will beat 9800GTX :clap:

>>> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=704

Quote:

RV770 Preliminary Performance Revealed

We have received some preliminary performance numbers from CJ for Radeon HD 4870 and 4850 vs the current GeForce 9800 series lineup. Apparently, RV770XT with GDDR5 (160W) will run 1.3X faster than RV770PRO with GDDR3 (110W). Two key factors that contribute to the 30% difference in performance between the 2 cards: a 100MHz core clock difference and a faster GDDR5 at 1.96GHz vs GDDR3 at 1GHz. Interesting, RV770PRO will run 1.25X faster than GeForce 8800 GT/9800 GT while RV770XT will run 1.25X faster than GeForce 9800 GTX.
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/RV77...aled/5782.html
05-16-2008, 09:49 AM
junkun13

$500 :shocked: more like nvidia pricing :(
05-16-2008, 09:57 AM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by AliG

man stargazer don't you :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing wonder if anyone bothers to read this thread?

I do :mad:

BTW what the hell is happening with the quotes :confused:
05-16-2008, 10:26 AM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

I do :mad:

BTW what the hell is happening with the quotes :confused:

What's wrong then with the quotes? :confused::shrug:;):rolleyes::p::yepp::rofl::ROTF:
05-16-2008, 11:02 AM
zerazax

25% better performance than a 9800GTX at a $250 price point is amazing, especially for a Value part.
05-16-2008, 11:05 AM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

40nm is not ready for actual mass production until next year, sampling will start in late 2008. ;)
//Andreas

Really?
So you are saying that TSMC's 40nm is ramping slower than 65/55/45nm?
40nm was suppose to be ready for MP in Q3...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

R600 was just failure compared to NVIDIA, R600 did as ATI expected it to but NVIDIA just did way better than ATI expected.
But all this is of coarse a bit off-topic.

Just a quick nit-pick.
R600 didn't turn out like ATi expected it to, it was suppose to be hitting much higher clocks and performance was suppose to be a bit better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AliG

man stargazer don't you :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing wonder if anyone bothers to read this thread?

LoL. I remember lurking at B3D and trying to read through the G80/R600/G92/R700 threads before posting, took a few weeks worth of nightly reading for me to get caught up.
05-16-2008, 11:49 AM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

What's wrong then with the quotes? :confused::shrug:;):rolleyes::p::yepp::rofl::ROTF:

This is what's happening :mad:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9...ckityr6.th.png

Many words in FF are missing, in other forums too... Windows too :mad::mad: What a shiitty Vista I have now, doing strage things. Look at the mIRC icon at the bottom. Time to reinstall :lol:
05-16-2008, 02:22 PM
nemsis

Quote:

Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Look at the first post of this thread please... :rolleyes:

Original source: http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=255294

Date: March 28th, 2008

I saw the chart in another forum today

i thought its new information :confused:

but do you mean that its wrong specs :)
05-16-2008, 04:31 PM
STaRGaZeR

Nobody knows (here) if it's wrong or not yet, wait until official confirmation or 100% verified source :)

VR-Zone is looking a lot like FUD...
05-16-2008, 04:31 PM
Kingcarcas

25% faster than 9800GTX sounds great to me :up: I don't really care about 9900GTX/GTS as they don't Fold. :cool:

Quote:

Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

This is what's happening :mad:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9...ckityr6.th.png

Many words in FF are missing, in other forums too... Windows too :mad::mad: What a shiitty Vista I have now, doing strage things. Look at the mIRC icon at the bottom. Time to reinstall :lol:

You really need smart bookmarks ;)
05-16-2008, 10:57 PM
MAS

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1...8798798lp7.jpg
05-16-2008, 11:07 PM
gundamit

Another Indication - Sooner rather than later?

From Digtimes 4/16:

GPU makers to cross blades in June with the launch of Radeon HD 4800 and GeForce GTX 200

Latest news
Monica Chen, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Friday 16 May 2008]

AMD and Nvidia are ready to cross blades again in June with their next generation GPU families – the ATI Radeon HD 4800 and GeForce GTX 200, according to sources at graphics card makers.

AMD is planning to launch its ATI Radeon HD 4800 family in the middle of June. The first model to launch will be the ATI Radeon HD 4850 with a price set around US$229.

The company will follow with the 4870 in the late June, with the same specification as the 4850 but will add support for GDDR5 memory. Expected pricing will be set around US$349.

In the fourth quarter, AMD will launch the dual-GPU ATI Radeon 4870 X2 priced around US$529-549.

Nvidia will counter with its new high-end GeForce GTX 200 (D10U) family in the middle of June, featuring a second generation Unified Shader architecture. Launch products will come in GeForce GTX 260 and GTX 280 versions.

Link-A-Dink-A-Doo
05-16-2008, 11:21 PM
Eastcoasthandle

^^^interesting...

I got some gossip for you (it should mean rumor but let me make sure I spell that out first :rofl:). PCZilla says that the 4800 series uses a built in PPU. The 4800 itself using 480SP while the PPU uses 320SP which equals 800SP. I assume that's why the East was calling it 320SP+480SP instead of 800SP. Who knows??? Lets hope that specs are released soon so we can finally put an end to this.

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