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06-17-2008, 04:32 AM
Macadamia

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnZS

I hope that you are right Papu as it would really give Ati the edge. It has been a while since I had an ATi card so I am looking forward to returning to being back on the Red :p:

However a lot of people do not realise that the 4850 is in fact the RV770PRO which has 480SP and 24TMU. I am guessing that the RV770 4870 form which has the full 800SP and 48TMU.
Where did I get that from?

The Box blurb which was acidentally posted on Amazon.com

Any ideas when the NDA is going to be lifted and when the HD4870 (1GB DDR5) will be released?

I am still tempted by the Zotac AMP 700Mhz GTX 280, however if the HD4870 comes close (within 10%) and for 66% of the price... I will certainly buy the RADEON over the Geforce.

John

The Amazon specs are wrong. Both chips are the same deal, just different clocks.

I really recommend that you wait till the 4870X2, even though it's more expensive I'm really sure it's a heck of a card. :)
06-17-2008, 04:33 AM
emoners

Quote:

Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown

not too long to wait - i really want a pair of 4870's to replace my Gts640

same boat here...think it's time to retire my 8800GTX :D
06-17-2008, 04:33 AM
perkam

800SPs has already been confirmed due to TFlop numbers.

Now we wait for TMU confirmation.

Perkam
06-17-2008, 04:38 AM
AliG

I'm betting its 40 TMUs, the diagram looked legit and keeps the same ratio the r600 did, unless if that diagram is fake and ati is planning on doing 8 arrays of 20 shaders to get 8*4=32, imo its 40
06-17-2008, 04:41 AM
ownage

It seems R700 should be in available in 8 weeks, and there is no official name for it yet.

http://i27.tinypic.com/2r2c51k.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/14iomdf.jpg

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2008/0617/amd_12.jpg

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2008/0617/amd_01.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9564/amd14ap5.jpg
06-17-2008, 04:42 AM
y2kbos

A guy on a another forum has been saying that the HD4870 is basically as fast as HD3870X2 in games that scale well in Crossfire and faster in games that dont scale that well like Crysis.

Results he gave on the two most demanding games.

QX6850 @ 3.0ghz
4gb ddr3 1066
Vista Ultimate 64

Crysis Very High 1920 x 1200

GTX 280 34.2 fps, HD4870 26.9 fps

Lost Planet 1920 x 1200 4 x AA

GTX 280 38.7fps, HD4870 29.86 fps

Scores are good imo, especially if Crossfire scales well..
06-17-2008, 04:49 AM
XSAlliN

Finally some facts, R770 has only 160 SP which are capable of 5 operations per cycle (that's where they concluded the 800 SP). 40 TMU's should bring enough balance for this configuration.
06-17-2008, 04:49 AM
JohnZS

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

A guy on a another forum has been saying that the HD4870 is basically as fast as HD3870X2 in games that scale well in Crossfire and faster in games that dont scale that well like Crysis.

Results he gave on the two most demanding games.

QX6850 @ 3.0ghz
4gb ddr3 1066
Vista Ultimate 64

Crysis Very High 1920 x 1200

GTX 280 34.2 fps, HD4870 26.9 fps

Lost Planet 1920 x 1200 4 x AA

GTX 280 38.7fps, HD4870 29.86 fps

Scores are good imo, especially if Crossfire scales well..

That is pretty much what I am begining to expect, RV770Pro = 480SP. RV770XT = 800SP

I am hoping that the HD4870 leans more towards 9800GX2 performance than 9800GTX as I am looking to upgrade from a 8800GTS

pop two of those in and then you will be faster than G280GTX (if software supports Crossfire).

If the HD480X2 is going to be any good it better have 2GB of RAM or a vast new improved multiGPU technology otherwise it is going to be the same old problems which can effect the GX2 and HD3870X2's due to 512MB of RAM percore?

John
06-17-2008, 04:57 AM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnZS

That is pretty much what I am begining to expect, RV770Pro = 480SP. RV770XT = 800SP

I am hoping that the HD4870 leans more towards 9800GX2 performance than 9800GTX as I am looking to upgrade from a 8800GTS

pop two of those in and then you will be faster than G280GTX (if software supports Crossfire).

If the HD480X2 is going to be any good it better have 2GB of RAM or a vast new improved multiGPU technology otherwise it is going to be the same old problems which can effect the GX2 and HD3870X2's due to 512MB of RAM percore?

John

You are very wrong.There is only one RV770 chip,and it has 800 Stream Processors or 160 shader processors with 5 stream pr. in them.
There is no 480 Sream proc. RV770 chip ,there never was.
To check this,you should look at Firestream 9250 thread in which AMD claims 1TF for basically Radeon 4850 with 1GB of frame buffer memory!One teraflop = 625Mhz x 2Flops x 800
06-17-2008, 05:09 AM
mascaras

Quote:

A detail look of PowerColor HD 4850 512MB GDDR3

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5...d485026nv5.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9...d485002ns0.jpg

http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/17/a...0-512mb-gddr3/

regards
06-17-2008, 05:09 AM
w0mbat

http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=500923
06-17-2008, 05:15 AM
Hornet331

hmm crossfire 4850 23fps in crysis very high 1920x1200 @ 4aa
06-17-2008, 05:18 AM
bedlamite

Well with 3 GHz Phenom.
Thats quite... fast?
06-17-2008, 05:22 AM
w0mbat

Way faster than GTX 280 and much cheaper :D
06-17-2008, 05:23 AM
Hornet331

cpu really doesn't matter at that res, it may hinders the min fps, but it only marginaly influences the avarage fps.

im still searchign for a review with 1920x1200 @ 4AA but i only can find some with 2AA right now -> 280GTX 28fps 260GTX 23fps
06-17-2008, 05:24 AM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by bedlamite

Well with 3 GHz Phenom.
Thats quite... fast?

Similar to 9800gx2/ faster than 3870X2
06-17-2008, 05:25 AM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

Way faster than GTX 280 and much cheaper :D

:down:

About the same, but will feel much much smoother with GTX 280
06-17-2008, 05:26 AM
Hornet331

ok for 280 gtx @4aa -> ~15-16fps
06-17-2008, 05:27 AM
Papu

:ROTF: really you've tried then?
06-17-2008, 05:27 AM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

:down:

About the same, but will feel much much smoother with GTX 280

You know this,how exactly?Did you try 4870X2 or 4850 CF yourself?
06-17-2008, 05:27 AM
w0mbat

9850@3GHz
4850 CF@default

CoJ@1920x1200@max@4xAA/16xAF
http://www.abload.de/thumb/coj_dx102008-06-1615x82.jpg
06-17-2008, 05:27 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

:down:

About the same, but will feel much much smoother with GTX 280

indeed your right in the territory of micro stuttering. :yepp:

i hope oced 4870 gives you a boost up in the low 40s (i expect to much :p: )
06-17-2008, 05:29 AM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by XSAlliN

Finally some facts, R770 has only 160 SP which are capable of 5 operations per cycle (that's where they concluded the 800 SP). 40 TMU's should bring enough balance for this configuration.

The same balance of RV670. 320/16 = 800/40 in terms of proportion.
06-17-2008, 05:34 AM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

You know this,how exactly?Did you try 4870X2 or 4850 CF yourself?

No

Games are always smoother with a single card imo.

4870x2 might change that, but I doubt Ati has anything that complex ready.

Give me a 8800gtx over bit faster 2 x 9600gt anyday.
06-17-2008, 05:35 AM
w0mbat

R700 isnt the same as R680.
06-17-2008, 05:37 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

R700 isnt the same as R680.

maybe, but if they are still using AFR -> fail
06-17-2008, 05:38 AM
Stanley Pain

Wow, these cards LOOK a whole lot nicer then the "COFFIN" that is the GTX2xx series
06-17-2008, 05:39 AM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

R700 isnt the same as R680.

We dont know that.

Odds on Ati making a dual single slot card not based on crossfire are slim imo.
06-17-2008, 05:44 AM
w0mbat

True, we dont know that, I know that ;)
06-17-2008, 05:44 AM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

True, we dont know that, I know that ;)

:ROTF::up:

Some people should realize that there are members on XS who have these cards well in advance, and a LOT of them get them well before launch. That, or they have credible sources inside ATI giving them the information :)

Perkam
06-17-2008, 05:53 AM
AliG

Does that mean you are agreeing with w0mbat that the r700 uses some advanced technology over the r680 besides the new bridge chip or just agreeing (which many of us already know) that there are people here that are given cards to test out or have sources
06-17-2008, 06:06 AM
Luka_Aveiro

Quote:

Originally Posted by AliG

Does that mean you are agreeing with w0mbat that the r700 uses some advanced technology over the r680 besides the new bridge chip or just agreeing (which many of us already know) that there are people here that are given cards to test out or have sources

From what I could understand, both.
06-17-2008, 06:16 AM
XSAlliN

Quote:

Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

The same balance of RV670. 320/16 = 800/40 in terms of proportion.

It's not the same - don't put ratio in balance. For 320 (or should I say 64) - 16 is not enough - I own the card and I feel that from my own experience. For 800 (or should I say 160 SP) - 40 TMU might be enough. 320/800 - that's just marketing - 64/160 SP now that's something tangible since nobody can assure me that the present games or capable of working with 5 operations per cycle. It's a different kind of optimization which should be done in particular for ATi - and game dev. work on both grounds (both ATi and nVidia - even if it hat the nVidia logo on it). It's true that ATi can get more juice from their drivers but that happens rarely and they might optimize an older game (like we've seen among time).
06-17-2008, 06:16 AM
STaRGaZeR

OK here we go again with the NDA guys...

Quote:

Originally Posted by XSAlliN

It's not the same - don't put ratio in balance. For 320 (or should I say 64) - 16 is not enough - I own the card and I feel that from my own experience. For 800 (or should I say 160 SP) - 40 TMU might be enough. 320/800 - that's just marketing - 64/160 SP now that's something tangible since nobody can assure me that the present games or capable of working with 5 operations per cycle. It's a different kind of optimization which should be done in particular for ATi - and game dev. work on both grounds (both ATi and nVidia - even if it hat the nVidia logo on it). It's true that ATi can get more juice from their drivers but that happens rarely and they might optimize and older game (like we've seen among time).

Do you realize that if 16 was not enough in the RV670, 40 will be exactly the same with 800SPs if nothing else but the number of units has changed?
06-17-2008, 06:24 AM
nsidious

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

:down:

About the same, but will feel much much smoother with GTX 280

and i imagine you know that from first hand:shakes:
06-17-2008, 06:24 AM
AliG

Not really, in fact not at all. Get over it. All that matters is that the texture fill rate is now nearly triple of what the r600's was and that should be enough for most games at max details, except for crysis I don't see even the 4850 not bringing at least 30 fps at max details (in dx9 mode at least, we have no idea what dx10 does to the performance yet)
06-17-2008, 06:54 AM
w0mbat

http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=500923

9850@3GHz
HD4850 CF@default

Lost Planet DX10@1920x1200, all@max, 4xAA/16xAF
http://www.abload.de/img/lostplanetmaxr24.jpg
06-17-2008, 07:03 AM
tenebre

^^ :shocked:

1920x1200x64??
06-17-2008, 07:04 AM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsidious

and i imagine you know that from first hand:shakes:

http://crysis.4thdimension.info/foru...&postcount=547
06-17-2008, 07:09 AM
w0mbat

9850@3GHz
HD4850 CF@default

WiC@1920x1200, all@max, 4xAA/16xAF

avg: 48fps, min: 16fps, max: 52fps
http://www.abload.de/thumb/wic5dk.jpg
06-17-2008, 07:14 AM
ANP !!!

You doing a great job wOmbat :up:, keep us posted with more results, 48fps is quite close to what my 8800GTX can do at that settings. I think the 4850 looks like a winner for the price.
06-17-2008, 07:16 AM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

http://crysis.4thdimension.info/foru...&postcount=547

And your point is?The GTX280 actually scores lower than 4850 CF in this test..
06-17-2008, 07:19 AM
w0mbat

@ANP !!!: Ur 8800GTX does avg 48fps+ in WiC @1920x1200, all@max, 4xAA/16xAF? GTX 280 does avg 47fps w/ only 8xAA instead of 16x.
06-17-2008, 07:23 AM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

And your point is?The GTX280 actually scores lower than 4850 CF in this test..

Point is all though the GTX 280 is more expensive its still very fast and you get a better gaming experience with one card than two..

HD4850 are not that cheap, 2 x 8800gts can be had for cheaper and they are faster..
06-17-2008, 07:26 AM
clonez

hah lol never

edit: you do realize thats a phenom? imagine those scores with yorkfield >4 ghz...
06-17-2008, 07:26 AM
Jowy Atreides

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

Point is all though the GTX 280 is more expensive its still very fast and you get a better gaming experience with one card than two..

HD4850 are not that cheap, 2 x 8800gts can be had for cheaper and they are faster..

huh, 2x8800gts for the price of a 4850??

where do you live, because the gts is more expensive than the $200 for a 4850
06-17-2008, 07:27 AM
w0mbat

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

Point is all though the GTX 280 is more expensive its still very fast and you get a better gaming experience with one card than two..

HD4850 are not that cheap, 2 x 8800gts can be had for cheaper and they are faster..

Wrong, who told u that? And 2x8800GTS arent cheaper and for shure not faster.
06-17-2008, 07:31 AM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

Point is all though the GTX 280 is more expensive its still very fast and you get a better gaming experience with one card than two..

HD4850 are not that cheap, 2 x 8800gts can be had for cheaper and they are faster..

Again ,I ask you where is the proof that CF 4850 is worse for gaming than GTX 280??Link the proof in your reply and stop using unproven statements to support you view.
BTW 8800GTS SLI ,following your logic,is then faster than GTX280 while costing 2x less...And don't fool yourself with SLI 8800GTS being faster than 4850 CF,you're going to be very disappointed soon.

edit:also you are wrong about the prices of SLI 8800GTS and single 4850...
06-17-2008, 07:33 AM
Genius_pt

But I would say 9800gtx sli is pretty close to what hd4850 cf perform.
06-17-2008, 07:34 AM
w0mbat

Yeah, but 9800GTX SLI is much more expensive.
06-17-2008, 07:35 AM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

Wrong, who told u that? And 2x8800GTS arent cheaper and for shure not faster.

I have been using 4 different cards on two computers over the last 2 years 2 x1900xt , 8800gtx, 9800gx2 ( sold it after 3 weeks, waste of money ) 2 x 9600gt and the single 8800gtx gave me the smoothest playing experience..

I would be getting the same mimimum frame rate of 15fps - 20 fps on my single 8800gtx, as I would on 9800gx2 @ 1920 x 1200, same would happen on 9600gt, only mimumum frame rates would be lower than 9600gt.

Now yee are talking about the amazing budget power of the 4850 and I've just my crossfire mobo for a sli one 6 months back....

Getting a bit pissed off at this stage with computing in general.
06-17-2008, 07:37 AM
informal

Nobody forced you to sell CF mobo and buy a SLI one..
And you still don't know how CF works with 4850 cards.So don't claim it performs worse in gaming until it's a proven fact.
06-17-2008, 07:41 AM
ORBR

so..

HD4850 Crossfire:

Quote:

Crysis DX10 **very High** 1920x1200 + 4xAA
23 FPS O.O

GTX 280 at same settings (from computerbase.de) ~ 16 FPS

http://www.abload.de/img/crysis4xaaql2.jpg

3DMark06 1920x1200 4xAA 16xAF

13.897 ....

http://www.abload.de/img/unbenanntwns.jpg

Call of Juarez DX10 1920x1200 + 4xMSAA +ALL HIGH

Min 21.4
Max: 102.6
Media: 52.0 FPS wow...

http://www.abload.de/img/coj_dx102008-06-1615x82.jpg

Lost Planet +Patch DX10 1920x1200 + 4xAA 16xAF ALL MAX

Media: 41.7
Snow: 44.4
Caves: 62.2
http://www.abload.de/img/lostplanetmax8wr.jpg

:shocked:

and single:HD4850

Quote:

8800GT HD4850
------ -------
ArmaArma Mark 1.0 : 2830 3820
CoD4 Max AA4x : 58 75 FPS
Quake 3 (OpenGL) : 395 550 FPS

:clap:
:welcome:
06-17-2008, 07:44 AM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

Again ,I ask you where is the proof that CF 4850 is worse for gaming than GTX 280??Link the proof in your reply and stop using unproven statements to support you view.
BTW 8800GTS SLI ,following your logic,is then faster than GTX280 while costing 2x less...And don't fool yourself with SLI 8800GTS being faster than 4850 CF,you're going to be very disappointed soon.

edit:also you are wrong about the prices of SLI 8800GTS and single 4850...

According to Anand the 8800gt in sli is beating it ( GTX280 ) at high res (1920x1200) and higher.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3334

2 x 8800gts = $300

http://fxvideocards.com/ZOTAC-GeForc...d-p-16280.html

2 x HD4850 = $400

2 X HD3870 = $260

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102719
06-17-2008, 07:47 AM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

Nobody forced you to sell CF mobo and buy a SLI one..
And you still don't know how CF works with 4850 cards.So don't claim it performs worse in gaming until it's a proven fact.

Ati/ the market set up by these greedy companies forced me..

9600gt's were €110, HD3870 were €170 and crossfire was buggy as hell on my x1900xt's
06-17-2008, 07:48 AM
w0mbat

9850@3GHz
HD4850 CF@default

CoD4@1920x1200, all@max/extra, 4xAA/16xAF

69FPS
http://www.abload.de/thumb/iw3sp2008-06-1617-34ucb.jpg
06-17-2008, 07:49 AM
informal

Radeons 4xxx aren't officially launched and you are using pre-release prices to compare them to a cards that just had price drops??Way to go.
Just wait 2 weeks and see how much will Radeons cost and compare it then.
06-17-2008, 07:50 AM
Cooper

Don't compare 1st gen CF with current ;)
06-17-2008, 07:50 AM
Genius_pt

And ati drivers are not optimized to the hd48xx as nvidia drivers are to 8800gt/s and 9800...
06-17-2008, 07:52 AM
Papu

why are people using silly amounts of AA? realisticly you use the amount of aa to give you smooth frames like 40 or 50+.
that being said the cod4 crossfire score is really really impressive...
06-17-2008, 07:52 AM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

Radeons 4xxx aren't officially launched and you are using pre-release prices to compare them to a cards that just had price drops??Way to go.
Just wait 2 weeks and see how much will Radeons cost and compare it then.

I will wait, but dont be suprised if I say, I tod a so :D

Hope I am wrong, cod4 numbers are looking very good..

2 x HD4850 are faster than my 8800gtx at that those settings, but not in sli
06-17-2008, 07:53 AM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

Ati/ the market set up by these greedy companies forced me..

9600gt's were €110, HD3870 were €170 and crossfire was buggy as hell on my x1900xt's

poor you :(
im quite sure a 4850 will be a good bit more powerful that a 9600 and thus be a better performer in and out of crossfire.
06-17-2008, 07:54 AM
Xello

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

And you still don't know how CF works with 4850 cards.

Are you implying they might have done away with microstuttering (thus AFR) ?

First i've heard, that's all :shrug:
06-17-2008, 07:55 AM
artissco

could someone run crysis @ max on 1680x1050? ;)
06-17-2008, 07:56 AM
Periander6

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

Yeah, but 9800GTX SLI is much more expensive.

Are you sure?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814162009

$219 after MIR. A harbinger of things to come in the very near term. When the 4850 comes out that's what all the stock 9800GTXs will be selling at, or less.
06-17-2008, 07:56 AM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

poor you :(
im quite sure a 4850 will be a good bit more powerful that a 9600 and thus be a better performer in and out of crossfire.

I have a 8800gtx and will not be paying €100 for a crossfire board when a new socket is coming in 5 months..
06-17-2008, 07:57 AM
Stuen4y

Quote:

Originally Posted by ORBR

and single:HD4850

Bye bye, nVidia :D
For me was the most interesting part the 4870 tests with GTX 280. In the Lost Planet, which we all know that is nvidia's speciality and there the logo that stays at the start of the game means well optimized drivers. To me all the other games instead of Crysis are the main target of comparison of the two cards.
P.S. All those lower prices of the cards are not available in all parts of the world, so we shall only compare the original prices, given from the producer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

I have a 8800gtx and will not be paying €100 for a crossfire board when a new socket is coming in 5 months..

Then you will wait until then and then will decide what to buy. It is simple. If you have changed your 9800GX2, which till now is the fastest card in the world, so the logic says that you don't have to buy GTX 280...
06-17-2008, 07:58 AM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

I have a 8800gtx and will not be paying €100 for a crossfire board when a new socket is coming in 5 months..

no-one told you to. the 8800gtx can still play todays games grand , upgrading at this point would really be pointless..
06-17-2008, 07:58 AM
w0mbat

Crysis@1680x1050 DX10 very high 4xAA/16xAF is no problem w/ HD4850 CF.
06-17-2008, 08:03 AM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

Crysis@1680x1050 DX10 very high 4xAA/16xAF is no problem w/ HD4850 CF.

How is that?

Its gets 22fps @ 1920 x 1200, which is 30% higher res, not 100%
06-17-2008, 08:06 AM
w0mbat

U can play Crysis @30FPS really smooth (23FPS*1.3 = 30FPS).
06-17-2008, 08:07 AM
y2kbos

It wont be constant, especially on crossfire, frames will be dropping well below 20fps to make a 30fps average.
06-17-2008, 08:08 AM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

no-one told you to. the 8800gtx can still play todays games grand , upgrading at this point would really be pointless..

I agree,8800GTX is a great card,even after so much time.
06-17-2008, 08:08 AM
w0mbat

Ok, but this is on a 3GHz Phenom, so w/ a 4GHz Yorkfield it should work.
06-17-2008, 08:08 AM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

Point is all though the GTX 280 is more expensive its still very fast and you get a better gaming experience with one card than two..

HD4850 are not that cheap, 2 x 8800gts can be had for cheaper and they are faster..

y2kbos, please don't come here and make those kind of statements :(

It's sad to see someone saying that the GTX 280 is still a better card when it is slower than 4850 CF (which I don't believe actually) but your logic is screwed up. If 4850 CF > GTX 280 and 8800GT SLI > 4850 CF, then that means 8800GT SLI > GTX 280 :) And that's using YOUR logic ;)

@ Wombat, great results :up: But I believe we should be comparing 4850 CF ($199+$199 = $399) with GTX 260 ($399) and not GTX 280 ($650) because GTX performance is far from finalized from what I hear on the upcoming drivers.

Perkam
06-17-2008, 08:09 AM
Catalyst2211

Now I know why ORBR was disappointed in the GT200 before NDA was lifted.
But I will wait for 4870X2 results before deciding between AMD or Nvidia
06-17-2008, 08:12 AM
y2kbos

lol Ive been owned :D

They have me so confused

At least I didnt get rid of my perfectly good 8800gtx/8800gt like so many others, blinded by the hype, one good thing I suppose
06-17-2008, 08:14 AM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

lol Ive been owned :D

They have me so confused

At least I didnt get rid of my perfectly good 8800gtx/8800gt like so many others, blinded by the hype, one good thing I suppose

Well, we will see the real GTX 280 performance in July, not right now.

Here's to hoping it will be $599 by then :up:

Perkam
06-17-2008, 08:14 AM
Stuen4y

We can't expect miracles from the drivers. 10% difference will be like a gift from the sky :). I really want to see more comparison tests between 4870 and GTX 280 or even 260, cause we know that the difference between the last two is around 15-20%.
06-17-2008, 08:48 AM
Chickenfeed

Quote:

Originally Posted by ORBR

so..

HD4850 Crossfire:

:shocked:

and single:HD4850

:clap:
:welcome:

Wow, if those CF numbers are legit, thats quite impressive and with a Phenom too. Can't wait to see how 2 overclocked 1GB 4870s do. I see DX9 tweaked very high at 1920x1200 with AA as being playable with a pair of those :up: As long as crossfire consistently scales, I'm going ATI this round.
06-17-2008, 08:53 AM
spursindonesia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuen4y

................
P.S. All those lower prices of the cards are not available in all parts of the world, so we shall only compare the original prices, given from the producer.
............

Amen brother, amen, the world periphery doesn't stop at North America continent border, you know. ;)
06-17-2008, 08:55 AM
w0mbat

9850@3GHz
single HD4850@default

GRID@1920x1200, all@max, 4xAA/16xAF

http://www.abload.de/img/12wxj9.jpg
06-17-2008, 08:56 AM
emoners

damn! ATI cards always produce better pic quality!
06-17-2008, 08:58 AM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

9850@3GHz
single HD4850@default

GRID@1920x1200, all@max, 4xAA/16xAF

GTX 280 ~71FPS so single HD4850 beats GTX 280!
http://www.abload.de/img/12wxj9.jpg

Fricken SWEEEEEEEEEEEEET
06-17-2008, 08:58 AM
perkam

Wombat you lucky bastard, you're playing with one right now aren't you :stick: :p:

Perkam
06-17-2008, 08:59 AM
w0mbat

No, not me but a guy i know good.
06-17-2008, 09:03 AM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

No, not me but a guy i know good.

Sure, Sure. :wasntme:

:lol:

Perkam
06-17-2008, 09:05 AM
Chickenfeed

Hot damn. Very nice :cool:
06-17-2008, 09:07 AM
Stuen4y

There were some men, who constantly claimed, that RV770 is the new R300 and GT200 the new NV30 for nvidia. Is that possible to happen at all?
06-17-2008, 09:07 AM
clayton

Quote:

Originally Posted by emoners

damn! ATI cards always produce better pic quality!

Always have been to me anyways. :P
06-17-2008, 09:09 AM
XSAlliN

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

9850@3GHz
single HD4850@default

GRID@1920x1200, all@max, 4xAA/16xAF

http://www.abload.de/img/12wxj9.jpg

Looks the same ... the FPS is good I agree, but nothing special about the quality... :confused:
06-17-2008, 09:10 AM
w0mbat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuen4y

There were some men, who constantly claimed, that RV770 is the new R300 and GT200 the new NV30 for nvidia. Is that possible to happen at all?

Its not that bad for Nvidia, but ATI shure will gain some marketshare.
06-17-2008, 09:14 AM
Stuen4y

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

Its not that bad for Nvidia, but ATI shure will gain some marketshare.

Oh, it is. If the card that costs around 200$ beats nvidia's ultra mega hyper high end card, try to imagine what will do the x2 card...

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

So how fast is a single card then Wombat?

Fast as 9800gtx on a 24"?

In your opinion will the HD4870 be worth stepping up from a 8800gtx on a 24"?

It should be 10% faster and with better AA and AF capabilities and after selling your card and buying the new one you will have some money to celebrate the change :). But if that what we see 4850 does with games, that are not Crysis and Lost Planet, nvidia will have big problems.
06-17-2008, 09:14 AM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

Its not that bad for Nvidia, but ATI shure will gain some marketshare.

So how fast is a single card then Wombat?

Fast as 9800gtx on a 24"?

In your opinion will the HD4870 be worth stepping up from a 8800gtx on a 24"?
06-17-2008, 09:21 AM
w0mbat

9850@3GHz
HD4850 CF@default

FEAR Perseus Madate@1920x1200, all@max, 4xAA/16xAF

http://www.abload.de/img/ssoffvt5.jpg
06-17-2008, 09:26 AM
Stuen4y

@w0mbat send a big "thank you" to your friend :clap:. This info is maybe the first in the world, so many fanATIcs will sleep good this night, so do I :).
P.S. We will be grateful to receive some info how GTX 280 performs in the same games, suck as GRID's info for GTX 280 :).
06-17-2008, 09:31 AM
w0mbat

9850@3GHz
HD4850 CF@default

3DMark06@1920x1200, 4xAA/16xAF = 13897 Points

http://www.abload.de/thumb/unbenanntwns.jpg
06-17-2008, 09:34 AM
Milos-stancene

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

9850@3GHz
HD4850 CF@default

3DMark06@1920x1200, 4xAA/16xAF = 13897 Points

http://www.abload.de/thumb/unbenanntwns.jpg

:clap:
What about 1280x1024 .... ?
06-17-2008, 09:35 AM
Stuen4y

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milos-stancene

:clap:
What about 1280x1024 .... ?

With no AA and AF.
(you were faster with several seconds:)).

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

Damn u, how can u demand 1280x1024 from HD4850 CF? Its like putting a beautiful woman into an garbage bag or driving a porsche @ 20km/h.

Sry, but for a shame that's standard and default for 3dmark06 :).
06-17-2008, 09:36 AM
w0mbat

Damn u, how can u demand 1280x1024 from HD4850 CF? Its like putting a beautiful woman into an garbage bag or driving a porsche @ 20km/h.

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