The GT300/Fermi Thread

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Originally Posted by FischOderAal

You sure it's not your mainboard? Imho you should test it in a friend's computer as well. The chances to get that much hardware doa are small, don't you think? Only had one piece of hardware arrive dead.



Exactly what I'm thinking. Would it be that hard to show a few numbers, even on early silicon? I mean, they could say "it's early hardware so it can improve" and keep ppl from buying HD-5k.

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Same thing came to my mind, after all that issues i would have started to think about, mobo, PSU, some kind of bad contact, etc...

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Originally Posted by saaya

only if they suck... if they are great it will make people camp on their cash :D

wasnt that the whole point of nvidias pr hype late last year at GTC?
dont buy atis 5xxx cards, fermi is coming soon and look how great it performs and what you can do with it!

now that they COULD create some REAL hype with actual numbers and performance... they only have a very small show at ces and dont talk about perf at all... hmmmmmmmmm why could that be? :D

im not saying fermi perf sucks, but its clearly not as amazing and way faster than atis cards as some people think, and as nvidia claimed... otherwise they would def show off some numbers or at least make some bold claims like "up to 50% higher perf" and "we will blow ati out of the sky" etc etc...

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Well, Ferni is not a gaming GPU, so gaming numbers will be OK but the real money is in GPGPU it is 2.5x faster than GT200 (in GTC last year with a1 sillicon maybe and low clocks), so asking for a 4x4 to show how fast it is in a highway is not how you would like to show it even though it will be used the most there.

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

Good point, a 8800GTS (G92) and 7800GTX run fine on the board :(

It is a dead card as the fan spins, and I get the BIOS beep codes for "no VGA detected".

I have tested using both PCIe x16 2.0 slots and DVi connections.

It's technically only my second DOA as the other 2 cards became defective after time (1st was the notorious pink dots problem, the other developed black flashing black retangles and the Black Screen of Death issue).

Inbetween those 2 was a DOA which posted, but died after 10mins.

If you ask me BFG should have been stricter with the binning on their GT200 cards, I cannot comment for GT200b cards as this one was a DOA and would not even POST.

I guess these are the issues you get with huge dies and cores, meaning that the slightest issue can manifest iteself over time?
Fingers crossed Fermi does not go through this.....but I fear with the high power consumption it may do, as more power = more heat = damage.

I am losing faith in BFG and dare I say it nVidia after the issues I have had with GTX 280 and 285. If only the grass truly was greener on the ATi side....

John

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PSU? maybe a shortcircuit somewhere? you need to give a lot more details to try to solve the issue or buy an ATI card and see if it works OK that could rule "other" components.

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Originally Posted by 570091D

why would the cards need to be finished to run unigine? no eng samples or test boards? it was running with the final clocks and shader count? c'mon man....

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C’mon fermi is finished, it's done! What's a unfinished card? It's K10 still unfinished? AMD just rolled out a B3 revision with better thermals\clock ratio, it’s k10 still unfinished?
And what kind of excuse is that? Are you telling me that with clocks and shader count on that cards, the nvidia engineers that made Fermi, can't do the math, and come up with performance numbers for the clocks shaders they still expect to reach? Nvidia didn't gave numbers alrady because they didn’t want to, I just speculate about the why.

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Originally Posted by 570091D

the nda comes off next week, after waiting this long a few days more won't kill us. ;)

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Didn't know that, it makes that demo look less dumb, and this discussion dumber.

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

fixed.

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Explain please, I like to see you try and fail.
Yes AMD is waiting for fermi benchmarks to figure out what to do next... and the same goes for Nvidia, they were waiting for R800 benchmarks to know what to do with Fermi.

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Originally Posted by saaya

only if they suck... if they are great it will make people camp on their cash :D

wasnt that the whole point of nvidias pr hype late last year at GTC?
dont buy atis 5xxx cards, fermi is coming soon and look how great it performs and what you can do with it!

now that they COULD create some REAL hype with actual numbers and performance... they only have a very small show at ces and dont talk about perf at all... hmmmmmmmmm why could that be? :D

im not saying fermi perf sucks, but its clearly not as amazing and way faster than atis cards as some people think, and as nvidia claimed... otherwise they would def show off some numbers or at least make some bold claims like "up to 50% higher perf" and "we will blow ati out of the sky" etc etc...

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Precisely.

Ok ok I give in. I will tell all the secrets.

Fermi will be faster than GTX280.

198fps in UT3
83fps in B:AA
42fps in Crysis
57fps in Far Cry2
It scores 14 250 marks

There, are you all happy now?

Fermi will be faster (much faster) than the GeForce 256.

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Originally Posted by ***Deimos***

Ok ok I give in. I will tell all the secrets.

Fermi will be faster than GTX280.

198fps in UT3
83fps in B:AA
42fps in Crysis
57fps in Far Cry2
It scores 14 250 marks

There, are you all happy now?

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Thank you :smileysex:

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Originally Posted by LesGrossman

Explain please, I like to see you try and fail.
Yes AMD is waiting for fermi benchmarks to figure out what to do next... and the same goes for Nvidia, they were waiting for R800 benchmarks to know what to do with Fermi.

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why would you want me to fail?

first off the actual products are way too far into design to change. the only thing that could change are clocks and specs. fermi is not influenced r800. if ATi knows gf100 performance, launch date etc they can create a new marketing campaign, product line up, change price point today and have a competitive advantage. they already launched their card first which is a big advantage. the only thing left from a business perspective is to wait for nvidia.

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

The sooner they reveal the performance the easier it will be for AMD to know exactly how much performance they need to aim for their refresh, that's why you don't usually want to reveal anything until 1-2 months before, that's not enough time for the competitor to make any rough changes but enough time to create some hype before launch.

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You've got a point there, but this is no easy and fast business where you can pull something out of your sleeves in two months time, amIrite?

But in the end, all we can do is hope NVIDIA knows what they're doing and that they are not too arrogant to overstate Fermi.

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

Good point, a 8800GTS (G92) and 7800GTX run fine on the board :(

It is a dead card as the fan spins, and I get the BIOS beep codes for "no VGA detected".

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Don't get me wrong. I have no doubt about your knowledge or your skill but if there's one thing I've learned about computers, than it's that you can't explain everything.

I currently got a problem myself. I built an i5 rig with an MSI P55-GD65, G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1600 CL7, an Enermax Liberty and a HD5850. It began with the RAM being DOA (the one piece of hardware I was talking about earlier), but everything went smooth for a few weeks after the new RAM arrived. Then, my HDD began having faulty sectors so I replaced it and after that, the system would unpredictable freeze, no matter about the load or what I was doing at that time. I'm still biting on that one, I already replaced the PSU and next up is the mainboard. You just can't be sure that a computer behaves rational, it's far too complex for that.

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Originally Posted by LesGrossman

Yes AMD is waiting for fermi benchmarks to figure out what to do next... and the same goes for Nvidia, they were waiting for R800 benchmarks to know what to do with Fermi.

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Lol you believe they wait for each other to release the online benchmarks...

they start making these cards a couple years in advance.. and each have a lot more info on each other then your seem to believe..

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Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

Lol you believe they wait for each other to release the online benchmarks...

they start making these cards a couple years in advance.. and each have a lot more info on each other then your seem to believe..

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And they tune the binning to the other's perf charts online.

GTX 275.

/debate.

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Fermi will be faster (much faster) than the GeForce 256.

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:rofl:

A quick question guys...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f9...1011-26-40.png

Why are there 3 cables going to the card? Is it a 3x6pin configuration, or just a 8+6pin with the 8 in two cables?

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Originally Posted by Dante80

A quick question guys...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f9...1011-26-40.png

Why are there 3 cables going to the card? Is it a 3x6pin configuration, or just a 8+6pin with the 8 in two cables?

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8+6pin but some of the cable have double wires as it is used for another 4 pin cables , probably something do it with thermaltake PSU

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6...0204028957.jpg

Thats what I was thinking too (6+2 + 6 setup), thanks....:up:

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

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I'm for real :D

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Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

Lol you believe they wait for each other to release the online benchmarks...

they start making these cards a couple years in advance.. and each have a lot more info on each other then your seem to believe..

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I was being sarcastic... pretty obvious from my previous post.

Thanks FischOderAal
That is something for me to think about as my RAM was RMA'd last year due to it developing faults (replacement RAM worked flawlessly at much lower voltage).
GTX 285 OCX is dead in another system too with exactly the same symptoms (one long beep, three short beeps), ah well back to RMA it goes :(

I think the question everybody here should be asking is if the Fermi is going to be another "FX" or is it truly going to be faster than the :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:in Fast 2000?!

http://media.techeblog.com/images/_funnygeek_1.jpg

John

When does the "Deep dive into Fermi" start?
In how many hours??

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Originally Posted by LesGrossman

C’mon fermi is finished, it's done! What's a unfinished card? It's K10 still unfinished? AMD just rolled out a B3 revision with better thermals\clock ratio, it’s k10 still unfinished?
And what kind of excuse is that? Are you telling me that with clocks and shader count on that cards, the nvidia engineers that made Fermi, can't do the math, and come up with performance numbers for the clocks shaders they still expect to reach? Nvidia didn't gave numbers alrady because they didn’t want to, I just speculate about the why.

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you and i both know there is a huge difference between a revision update and a product rollout.

what i am telling you is that (last i heard) the nvidia engineers haven't settled on shader counts or clock speeds so, no, they can't tell us it's theoretical performance. not that driver maturety has ANYTHING to do with gpu performance either and who knows where they are with driver development either. also, even though the nda comes off next week, we don't know what parts of the product line up they will be showing. or, even how much information for those products will be available. they could just show the card and tell us it's clock speed, vram size and type, and gpgpu performance. nvidia has been keeping the fine details close to it's chest probably because it's coming down the the wire. i'm hoping for a suprise next week with a full line up of geforce cards.... but that seems highly unlikely.

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Originally Posted by WeeMaan

When does the "Deep dive into Fermi" start?
In how many hours??

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I assumed that DDIT event was a behind closed doors event where they showed Fermi was running 3D vision?

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Originally Posted by 570091D

i'm hoping for a suprise next week with a full line up of geforce cards.

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you might find much truth in that Charlie article that showed G92 and GT200b life well into 2010.

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Originally Posted by saaya

make some bold claims like "up to 50% higher perf" and "we will blow ati out of the sky" etc etc...

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I disagree, that's AMD's style of marketing, NV likes to compare their products to their previous generation. It's much like Apple forever comparing themselves to MS and MS comparing themselves to their older product. It's bad marketing bringing good or bad attention to your rival, making as if they don't exist is the ultimate in arrogance which works.

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Originally Posted by neliz

I assumed that DDIT event was a behind closed doors event where they showed Fermi was running 3D vision?


you might find much truth in that Charlie article that showed G92 and GT200b life well into 2010.

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From what I've heard they will reveal Fermi specs etc in the "deep dive".
But it's early in the morning in Vegas now, so it's probobly a while left before they start.

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Originally Posted by WeeMaan

From what I've heard they will reveal Fermi specs etc in the "deep dive".
But it's early in the morning in Vegas now, so it's probobly a while left before they start.

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if you havent been nvited and signed an nda you wont get any info

I read in andtech that at min the GF100 will be 20% faster than the 5870, searching for the link now but the dam anandtech site is not opening... It was written in the CES section

i think this is what you are talking about:

from anandtech
"The demo also used NVIDIA's sterescopic 3D technology - 3D Vision. We're hearing that the rumors of a March release are accurate, but despite the delay Fermi is supposed to be very competitive (at least 20% faster than 5870?). The GeForce GTX 265 and 275 will stick around for the first half of the year as Fermi isn't expected to reach such low price/high volume at the start of its life."

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Originally Posted by 570091D

so, no, they can't tell us it's theoretical performance.

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Even AMD already calculated theoretical performance of fermi just based on it's specs, they already made a comparison chart between r800 and fermi. I'm not asking for theoretical performance, anyone can do that, i was asking for concrete numbers and if the nvidia engineers can't do the math by now, based on the results of the running cards, Nvidia you're done, you're engineers are morons.

Good point on the drivers though, like i said before, didn't know NDA lifts next week, just wondering about another demo of running cards without numbers. Let's just wait then.