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I think that here wïll be a little changes - no importentQuote:
Originally Posted by Vega
Ok I have been having this problem for a while now, I posted about it long ago but never got an answer. I finally have time for the comp now and it still is having the same problem.
The first few months I had the board it was great...... was getting 270-300fsb 1:1 stable, but after a few months, I turned on my comp one day, and it wouldnt post. The problem is I can't set my memory CAS timing to anything other than 2.......... both 2.5 and 3 it will not even post. This is pissing me off to the point where im going to go out and buy a new mobo if we can't figure this out
Specs:
A64 3500+ winchester
MSI K8N Neo2-939 - bios 1.4b1mod
512*2 DC OCZ 3200 platinum rev2
x800xtpe
OCZ 520 powerstream
OCZ ram booster (uninstalled now)
and have you even flashed the bios dude ?
sounds to me like your bios is corrupt. not sure why your using 1.4b1 hell i havent even heard of 1.4b1
use either 1.36 Rev 4 or 1.8 Rev3 with your winchester those are the 2 best bios's i can recommend.
personally i use the 1.36 rev4 with my venice and it was working fine but now my board is dieing so.. lol..
damn guys i really cant afford a new board right now but im gunna go down to the local scanky trailer trash pc shop and see what they have.
oh yeah and have you tried pulling the ram out and using 1 stick at a time ?
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Originally Posted by mundi
one is the real one and one is the modded one.
wasnt that easy ? lol ;)
the modded one has the hidden options enabled and some memory tweaks done
found the problem.......... seems running daily at high speeds messes up your tccd, it has to be re spd programmed or something. :(
I have the latest bios you modded sideffect and it makes my system run a lot better. I am now at 8x300 with 150 divider and ram at 2.5-3-2-9 @1t and normal driving strength. This allowed me to break the 6000 read mark on everest and the 6000 mark on the sandra bench for the first time with this memory. Great work.
what clockgen version do you use for this? the nforce 3 250 one?
no we do this in the bios.
clockgen is only used for fine tuning or "curious testing"
the bios allows all the overclocking you could ever need aside form LDT Voltages and more memory timings.
I'll try but how long should I run memtest86 for? I'm currently running on my same settings and haven't had any errors in 2 passes, I'm going to try tightening the timings now though, also should I run with 1t or 2t and also DRAM drive strenght should be weak or normal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
update: Ok I've been using 2.5-4-3-8 and the max seems to be around 246mhz, how should I relax it if I want to go higher?
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Originally Posted by uniacid
When I run memtest I normally do a few passes of test 5 then a few of test 8. If it passes that with no errors then I run 2 or 3 full passes.
If it passes all of that, ur ram should be pretty stable.
Run 1t, 2t kills performance.
Test both weak and normal drive strength, all depends what works for u, normal works best for most people though. (Including me)
And I wouldn't run any looser then 2.5-3-3-7/10. Any looser and u lose massive performance. If u need more headroom over 2.5-3-3-7 then use a divider. You will have less of a performance hit.
Hi Sideeffect-thanks for the repy. Im using BIOS 7025.1.BB3 file dates are 29 August.
Sandra is telling me that APIC is OFF so I'm trying to switch it ON. Checked BIOS advanced chipset section and tinkered with the "enable IRQ for PCI" or such like, presuming that APIC. Im not sure of the proper memory address address or memory amount to use.
I've gone down the switching off peripherals (all the SATAS) path just now and previously also did so switching everything possible, even both LANs with the offical BIOS. So if its a BIOS issue its certainly not with your BIOS alone, so I'm not suggesting that for a moment. But Im stuck with no onboard IEEE 1394-doesnt show up anywhere I can see while booting either, e.g in the IRQ list when I hot "pause' and none of the 3 PCI cards from my old rig working in any slot on my new one, either singley, or all together! So I'm perplexed. Even if I somehow put my elbow through the onboard firewire and 3 PCI slots, without noticing, and leaving no visible sign of damage, would that really just make those devices "invisble" in an otherwise stable rig? Sandra shows the PCI slots, just not the cards in them by the way. All USB devices are fine, and AGP of course. I bought the X2 in part for digital video editing, but seem to have lost firewire and the use of my PCI video/TV capture card. Ill try any sugesstion I can afford and follow the logic of. If I could even know what the fault is! Happy to give more info,-should be able to I've just downloaded an ISO of the UBCD. Many thanks indeed.
How big of a performance hit and where exactly? I tried running at 270mhz using lower timings but they didn't seem to work so sell, maybe I need an ocz booster? I might just wait till I can upgrade to a dfi mb and the ocz vx series memoryQuote:
And I wouldn't run any looser then 2.5-3-3-7/10. Any looser and u lose massive performance. If u need more headroom over 2.5-3-3-7 then use a divider. You will have less of a performance hit.
ur right after days of testing i can get 285 7-4-3-2.5 out of these things not complaining they offered me 3ghz stability plus if i upgrade to nf4 i know ddr600+ is in reach..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
i can do ddr600 but only with 2t is that setting really that bad?
plus im playing nfsu at 3ghz with the 183 div so mem is at 271 my x800 aet to 650/580 all i have to sayis :woot: plus with GTR i can 39 cars on screen
with no hicup
very good stuff guy.
all ddr600 ram's that i personally have read about are only rated to run 300mhz 1:1 on the dfi boards or the asus NF4 boards if its an nforce 3 board then you have to run 2T which is just horrible performance.
Now I have run some of the Mainboard utilities from the Ultimaite Boot CD, looking for erros to explain my ongoing invisible/inoperative onboard IEEE 1394 and PCI cards..
The "PC Config" and NSSI Mainboard utilities both show "ROM PCI routing table appears faulty" errors.
More info from thje BIOS section of NSSI:
"Table version OK size 320 bytes OK IRQs assigned to PCI 3,5,7,10,11, 14 +15. IRQs 5 7 10 + 11 showing 2 PCI devices. Table Checksum 44h-FAILED."
Some of that sounds bad. Possibly relevant. Clue me in please anyone on what it means and if it does indeed relate to the firewire PCI card issue...
not really at 300*10 1/1 my games are super fast my guess is the cpu clock makes up for it .plus im getting 7268 read in everest
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just showing what i can boot at. every thing good except test5 with every mhz i go up its like 5 more errors exactly wish i knew more about tccd :confused:
I presume you can handle all those memory tweaks in A64 tweak, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Can you raise chipset voltage in any biosversion?
no there is no chipset voltage settings in a neo2
and no you cant raise chipset voltages with anything in windows.
the only "chipset" is the southbridge which has nothing to do with overclocking. Well, thats kind of not true but the true nature of a southbridge really doesnt effect overclocking really much. The northbridge is what holds your overclocking. But since there is no northbridge on an AMD64 system. :\
There is the trick of raising the AGP voltage to adjust "chipset" voltages. but this has never been a proven fact with the NEO2 boards.
Me personally i stand by my own testing that AGP voltages dont effect overclocks. The only board that i ever knew of right off the top of my head that used the AGP voltages in that way was the DFI 875P-T 775 board. But it's not like ive tested or used a butt load of boards.
MSIMAX -
those are some AWESOME screens. Is that with 1T or 2T ? even with 2T thats some damn fine settings on this board and that chip you have.
way to go, keep it up! How is your performance doing with the X2, seriously is it THAT MUCH better ? or do you really not feel the performance unless your gaming or something. ?
ok I'm starting to really hate this board, I ran it last night fine at 2.7ghz 270mhz fsb, I had to up the timings to 3-4-4-10 so anyways I turn it off b/c last night it was raining, so I turn it on when I wake up and now it doesn't want to work with the exact timings I previously used.... or even timings I used with my FX53, I set the multi to 9 for example to test the mem and at 270 it does not want to work anymore, I think I'm just going to get rid of this board
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Originally Posted by Lestat
those are with 2t . x2 are crazy its like if u over clock to 2.8 u have yourself a fx57 dont forget your overclocked so mem peformance is higher. now
imagine 2 cpus at 3.0ghz ...I make a dvds from my camcorder man this thing flies, just put it this way i cant play need for speed underground till i find a way to slow the screen down ,and this game uses both cpus i run it with task screen open and its about 50/50 usage..
also mem at ddr600 2t i feel its faster than my bh5
I'm currently going to stay stock until I can get a dfi nf4, it doesn't make sense why this board is acting up like that
your saying NFS U 2 actually runs faster cuz its a bug with dual cores?
have you written EA tech support to let them know ?
thats pretty odd. like VERY odd.
I've heard that the X2's were awesome for video encoding and such but have never asked anyone
wish i could afford one cuz id be ordering me one lol.
hell i can't even afford a dfi board so i have aneo2 thats dieing and i cant afford to replace it. i just keep lowering the cpu so it runs stable.... :\
hell i would take another neo2 if i caould get one cheap enough.
i got problems again i get ram beeps but what happens is with my x2 i can only use dimm slot 2. on and off i can use slot 1 then i put my whinnie back in and slot 1 post all the time is this a cpu issuse or the board its not the xblk cause i memtest it and using it to write this i sent my board out for rma before but they said nothing was wrong came back working though. i wish i new if its the cpu or the neo2
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this is a board issue MSIMAX
this happens to alot of people when you go THAT high with the HTT.
Frankly and ive seen this MANY MANY times and even on my own board. friggin slot one is a piece of crap and has TONS of issues.
try moving your ram back to slots 3 and 4 and see if it does it.
Also try swapping the sticks around see if one of them is bad.
there is no need to sit there and yank the cpu in and out.
and frankly i dont know why you would even think about doing that. Just reset the jumper on the motherboard to reset the cmos...
fall back a little on your HTT and it wont happen. I really only see it happen when 1) your using a DDR Boostger and your putting over 3.4v into the ram
or 2) you have your HTT at or above 300 HTT.
what is the CPU Multiplier on that chip ? 10x ? 11x ?
just leave it at default and see how far you can go with your ram and cpu and then see if you start having the beeping error.
if it keeps happening then RMA the board and never get another one.
Just go get the DFI board..
it happens at stock settings
ouch thats a bad thing
switch the sticks around see if it still happens.
then try 1 stick at a time.
then take the ram and try it in another system if you have it.
i doubt its the cpu infact i dont think the cpu can do that.
It's either the ram or the motherboard.
the fact that it works when you swap cpu's i THINK is becuase you have removed power from the motherboard totally.
try this.
next time it happens. power down and unplug the wall cord from the psu then hit the pwr button so the rest of the power is disipated from the board.
walk away for 10-15 min ok now come back plug in the psu and see what happens.
you may also need to reflash the bios.. i DOUBT that is whats causing it but a corrupted bios can do all kinds of wierd stuff
well u wont belive what it was. some of the dielectric grease wasnt in the middle of the cpu when i installed it. so when i examined it i noticed corrosion on the center pins just a little bit but i guess enuff so over time they didnt have good contact. so once i found that out i gave it a bath and then put a good amount of grease on it put it back in samething happened. took it out clear the grease and went over every inch, right in middle was a bent pin. guess all the grease made it do that so i did some surgery with tweezers and i got it running . going to test it :clap:
hmm i forgot you were using subzero chilling
bent pin huh? sounds like you been swapping cpu's too much and got careless.
out of all my hardware days thats one of the things ive never done. and hope i never do.
good luck getting her fixed. im not sure how it locked down with a bent pin. but there's a big big chance the cpu is now toast.... its possible it fried the part of the cpu with the memory controller or it did something and damaged the electrical components of the cpu socket on the mobo.
good luck guy i hope you didnt toast that cpu.
all is well for now im back up
Since this is the Neo2 tips and tricks thread, I wondered if anyone might be willing to share a tip on how to get my Neo2 Plat to run any faster than 285 MHz 1:1 dual channel using G.Skill PC-4400 LE. The board will do 9X285 9-3-3-2.5 3X HTT @2.65v vdimm without breaking a sweat but I start getting errors in Memtest at 286 MHz no matter what the voltage and no matter what trcd or trp values I use. Raising CL from 2.5 to 3 nets me a few more error-free Memtest MHZ to 289 but prevents me from even booting into Windows.
My 3700+ tops out at 2.69 GHz@1.6v and I was kind of hoping to make up for its shortcomings by running it at 9X299 instead of my usual 10X269. Am I smoking something here or what?
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Originally Posted by Raillex
ok well what happens when you lower the cpu multi to 7x ?
I would consider myself VERY lucky to have tccd ram that runs that high on such low volts, its not very often you see ram like that.
overall it's a mix of the cpu and the ram and the mobo.
you just gotta mess around a bit.
1)
raise your vdimm
2)
lower your cpu multiplier.
3)
lower the HTT Multi to 2.5x
4)
raise your vcore slightly to help stabalize the cpu/memcontroller
5)
raise your AGP voltages to 1.6 or 1.65
6)
lower the ram to 183 or 166 depending on whaqt bios your using, then lower the cpu multi far enough that you can raise the HTT high enough to go higher then where you are right now.
over all if none of that works then
WELCOME TO THE MSI NEO2 PLATINUM OWNERS CLUB!!! and get used to issues like this. lol. your not alone my friend. mine dies at 270-ish actual memory speed.
most of the neo2's that i have seen or used have this issue and there is no fix. you can TRY RMA'ing it but i doubt MSI will RMA it. and you probably would get a motherboard that's worse.
1:1 NEO2's start getting realllllyyyyy flakey at around 275-ish. not all of them but a good many of them.
Lastly... and probably even just as important and forgotten about my AMD64 owners... alot of AMD64's have pretty flakey Memory controllers and there is no fix.. no matter what you do, it wont get higher but running the memory on a divider can sometimes help but usually not.
Sideeffect also has a TCCD bios that has memory settings made up for TCCD ram. look for one of his posts on this page or the last page and he has a link in his sig for his bios's. Grab the 1.B3 TCCD version and give it a try. it might help.
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i was just bored :)
i think its time for dfi but i want to wait and see what ATI does going to start tweaking timmings :p:
holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: MSIMAX
i mean seriously holy mother of god
im gunna email these pictures of Sean at OCZ and tell him to stick this OCZ PC4800 Platinum up his arse.
i cant even get past 270 without issues.
what voltages you running ?
and does that boot into windows ? if so get some cpu-z verified screens you may just have some record breaking ram there dude. serious that ram is unheard of.
i just modded my booster with a 15 turn pot so thats with 3.0 volts even
why would you mod it ?
because the stock trimmer sucks and if u keep adjusting it wears out quick. with the mod
the voltage is more precise and i check with a dmm ex.. if i want to go from 2.9v to 2.93or to2.95 u will NEVER get that stock also i put mosfets on the back of the board to keep all that heat away.and it also helps air flow it works well,and i will say a must for runnig bh5 ch5 or any utt and trying to find the upper limits
hey sideeffect can make a tccd ver of 1.b3
yeah the one thing that pisses me off the most about my booster is that if i power off or reboot the voltages change. mostly when i power off then power back on the voltages are never the same.
thats one brutal looking mod dude lol... but if it works...
i sent you a pm msimax read it...
I didn't try 7X mainly because I'd never be able to run anywhere near the 330 MHz I'd need to reach my 2.69 GHz goal on the CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised to see it run so well with so little juice, which is exactly the opposite of my SD. I have a feeling this RAM would absolutely fly if the mobo would only let it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
I did, all the way to 2.85v. The more volts I pump into it, the more errors I get in Memtest. Like I say, the RAM works just fine with 2.65v @ 9X285, so I don't think it's a voltage issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
I'll check it out and see what happens, but I think it will defeat the purpose since I just can't see this RAM running the 330 MHz it will take to get my SD back to my 2.69 GHz goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Tried that, no help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Tried that too, no help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Yep, that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
I thought about that, but decided against it since I would never be able to run the RAM anywhere near its potential due to my low CPU ceiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
It could be the memory controller, but I have a sneaking suspicion it's the Neo2 itself. When I first put this rig together, I had an awful time cold booting at anything over 250 MHz as described in this thread. NFM's 1.36 and 1.8 SD bioses fixed that problem and I haven't had an issue since. My point is that this problem appeared after reaching a nice, round 250 MHz figure, not 249, not 247, not 253, but 250 right on the nose. This, plus the fact that MSI's core center overclocking software also just happened to max out at 250 MHz, made me suspect that a this was an artificial ceiling set by MSI's bios writers when they wrote the 1.9 series bios. I'm seeing the same pattern here with this nice, round 285 MHz RAM limit and since other NF3 boards don't seem to have this "feature" at 285 MHz, something tells me I'm dealing with yet another arbitrary MSI-imposed ceiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Tried that one too, no help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Msi has released another beta of the 1.b bios.
Only change they listed was USB 2.0 works.
Well weve been enabling the usb 2.0 since the 1.9 bios and its always worked :p:
Well maybe MSI did some other things too. I made a mod bios of the 1.B4 with the extra dividers and some more relaxed memory timings.
you can get that from my site.
Ill make a tccd version of the 1.B final when that comes out. It will be soon im sure.
Hmmm... I looked there but can't seem to find a 1.B4 version. Which one is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by sideeffect
I was thinking that one thing that could help me if I can't bust out of this 285 MHz RAM ceiling is a working 216 MHz divider. Any chance of this happening?
I changed my link so it goes to the homepage and not the 1.A official bios now.
Raillex -
you have one of the infamous NEO2 boards with the mhz bug. My board tops out around 270mhz no matter if i run a divder or not.
My HTT tops out at 370-ish
im not sure what you mean by "wanting to run the ram at 330mhz"
MSIMAX is the first guy i have ever seen who has run a NEO2 board that high. and he was running 2T i believe.
Over all in general you picked the wrong board to go crazy with high memory settings at a 1:1 ratio.
If your running it at 269 right now then you may have just reached the max of the board.
and the max of the cpu/memcontroller.
honestly run the cpu at 7x and then raise the ram some more see what happens.
with TCCD based ram a Nforce 4 DFI board or ASUS board is the only thing thats gunna get you close to 300mhz 1:1 1T its just not gunna do it on a NOE2. and like i say if it does then you have one of the rare neo2's that does.
You have pretty much done everything already except lower the cpu to 7x and/or run the ram on a divider.
try those and if it dont work. , once again i say "Welcome to the Neo2 and Hating It" owners club. This board has been nothing but issue after issue since its release. but more so than any other has been its horrible FSB stability. its always been called the "250mhz bug"
What I said was I just can't see this RAM making it to 330, which is what I would I would have to do in order to get the CPU up to respectable levels with an 8X or lower multi. My goal is 9X300 1:1 1T, which is, as you point out, doable with a few of the other NF3 boards.
I made a conscious decision not to buy another DFI board because my last one, an NFII Ultra Infinity, fried my Geforce ti4600 out of the blue one day after only a year's worth of use as well as the brand new Radeon 9800 Pro I bought to replace it. I also got sick and tired of that board corrupting my bios with every failed overclock and I'm not convinced from reading people's experiences at various DFI forums that the newer DFI boards are any more reliable.
At least it's nice to know that I've pretty much maxxed this thing out so I can stop banging my head against the wall.
quick ? iwas running at ddr620 and at 3.0 - 3.1 volt the errors are starting to go down is this burning in. i remember reading that some tccd likes volt if so what should be my max
bbl
update just now i got no errors in test 5 for the past 3 test i have to leave so bbl :-)
I wonder if I had a ocz booster if my problems would be solved, but its odd how I can't use settings I've used before now, and raillex I understand how you'd feel against DFI but they are a lot better now I must say but you can always for for the MSI NF4 board
Added 5 New BIOS's to the page:
v1.B4 Beta
v1.B4 Beta XMOD by Murdok & Sideeffect?
v1.B4 Beta XXMOD by Murdok & Sideeffect?
v1.B4 Beta MOD by Sideeffect
v1.B4 Beta MOD by Syar
raillex -
no not NF3 ... NF4 if you wanna do 300mhz 1T 1:1 then you wont do it on a NF3 board or if you do its rare very rare.
the DFI nforce 4 boards are the only ones that do that and infact if you look at gskills website they recommend that ram and the LA stuff for high HTT on a DFI NForce 4 ONLY!
If you want to go to the MSI NF4 do it but be aware there are rumblings that the boards hates the new cpu's. might wanna check the MSI forum.
Matrix -
links for new bios's are dead, i assume that it just takes a little whie for the host to update ?
LOL! It would probably be good if I actually uploaded files to the server wouldn't it :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Fixed now, thx
Copy your installed Prime 95 folder into a new folder which you can call something like "Prime95copy"Quote:
Originally Posted by uniacid
Open Prime95 in the two Prime95 folders you now have. Then "control alt delete" to open the task manager. Go the the second tab in task manager -processes, you should find two instances of a process called prime95. Right click on the first, set affinity to "processor 0", Right click on the the second, set affinity to "processor 1. "
Then start the same tests on both copies. Good luck!
Thanks matrix
unfortunately i refuse to flash to these new bios's until they fix the AGP Throttling issue.
has anyone been able to verify if the issue is still there with the 1.b4 bios ?
Dont know yet Lestat. I still dont get it :p:
Nothing much has changed in 1.B4 so i think you probably will get the problem still.
it has to be a power issue related to the ATI/ Nvidia Speedup. or a MHZ issue where the NV/ATI speedup thinks the card is overclocked to far and throttles back.
i have never checked the official MSI version only your version.
Did you get any verification whether the official versions do it to or just yours.
I initially had mentioned not altering the ATI/NV speedup setting to see what it does. i doubt it would help cuz your just chnaging the defualt setting but anything is worth trying.
I have the problem with both 1.A0 and 1.B3, haven’t tried 1.B4 yet tho. I don't see why it would be any different tho.
As soon I get my G.Skills back I'm going back to 1.90 Mod by Murdok, It seems to be the best for me so far.
The only reason I'm sticking with 1.B3 right now is to use the 150 divider on this BH-5.
Sideeffect, Is there anyway you can disable the option in the BIOS that controls its ability to throttle the GPU?
If you ask me the MB shouldn't be able to decide that anyway, should be up the nvidia drivers/thermal sensor on the GPU board.
Matrix and SE and Murdock
ill tell you right now and ask nicely
DUMP THAT STUPID XXMOD 1.b4 bios.
1)
cmos checksum error happens every single time
2)
you can not enter the bios all it does it go to a blinking cursor
3)
i have no idea what that ATA Security thing is but it looks like a 100% homebrew piece of crap and its doing all kinds of freaky crap.
4)
it says "Hit ctrl-s to enter setup" but guess what.. there is no setup and ctrl-s dont work.
LUCKILY i was able to hit F1 at the cmos checksum error and boot to a floppy and flash back to 1.8 MSI bios. (im doing that cuz when i rma this board i need to let them see that the board is :banana::banana::banana::banana:e even with the official msi bios.)
please remove that bios. i dont know what it is or who made it or whatever but get rid of it before someones board gets toasted from this goofy bios.
and if someone can add a "ATA Security ROM" which is useless i mean technically without knowing anything about it all it should do is password the drives for security or encrypt the data, and frankly unless your in a high security infastructure, thats pretty lame and useless and uses needed resources.
opps i was gunna say if someone can add a security rom the by gawd someone can add Memtest into the bios and make it a boot option. like Hit CTRL F2 for memtest
its a 4 meg rom chip not all 4 megs are being used. its only a 512k rom which of course if compressed yes but you obviously added a security rom so add memtest instead ;)
well i do believe the throttling is gone.
but performance is suffering for some reason.
i went from 6131 to 5883 in 3dmark '05 6800 Ultra @ 450/1120
What BIOS are u using? 1.B4 XMOD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
If so I'll test it out tomorrow after work and see if I take a performance hit, and if the throttling is gone.
erm Xmod is nothing to do with me.....
My bios files are on my site. Xmod is the german MSI forum bios. I also think you misunderstand what im able to do to the bios files. I dont rewrite the AGP bus or anything if theres a problem with the agp in my mod bios theres a problem with the agp bus in all versions of the same bios.
Although there isnt a problem for me or most people so its a bit hard for me to diagnose. Out of 4 people i have heard about that have the issue 1 was able to fix it by disabling throttling and another was able to fix it by changing latency.
The other 2 which includes Lestat werent able to fix it. Everyone else i have asked about it has had no problem at all.
So is it a bios problem or a hardware configuration problem? I believe its a bit of both the bios is more selective about hardware and needs more configuration. I wish i got these issues so i could work out whats wrong.
wait a minute
SE how are you disabling throttling ? you mean with RivaTuner or via a setting in one of your bios's ?
and yes its near impossible to fix something that doesnt happen to you. so tons of respect to you for even trying to fix it :toast:
Matrix -
I am using the 1.B4 By Syar. i believe all he did was show the hidden items.
maybe its just me but im seeing alot of undervoltage with the 1.B4 on the vcore.
havent tested vdimm yet
Just you.
yep just you.
hhmm figures
oh well my Ultra-d comes on thursday
im gunna take this board out and poke some hole's in it with the ol ladies .38 since i sold my S&W 9mm
Suddenly I can´t get my Redlines to boot. If I disconnect the booster and use my Corsair XLPT Tccd it works great. Then after a while I turn it of, and put the booster and Redlines back again. Now the Redlines work great again, I can run memtest @260Mhz without failing. Overnight I turn the computer off. Next morning I can´t boot again. Whats going on?
ram is toast
mobo is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty when you run high volts with a booster
head over to Mushkin's forum you'll see tons of people saying this then their redline dies completely
it runs fine for a while then if you power off it just beeps or wont boot.
ok then you pull the ram out and let it sit overnight or a few days then it works again.
this cycle keeps going until the ram total dies
do some testing but its possible the ram is dieing.
my neo2 did the same thing to some redline. the neo2 is only rated for 3.4v with the booster if you didnt know. So it may harm things to run higher voltages.
try the ram in another system if possible
But as long as I keep it at 3.4v they should survive, don´t you think!?
I guess Murdok figured out how the do the dividers by him self? Because for the first XMOD BIOS he did he had u add the dividers first correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by sideeffect
I just figured he did the same thing this time so I added ur name, I'll fix that.
And I know u don't normally do anything with the AGP, but was wondering if u could.
And Riva tuner and the AGP lat are no help in stopping my 6800GT from trottling.
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Originally Posted by Dr.Leary
well ... if you look at the ram 3.4v is only rated for 250mhz. and to go higher you need more volts especially on this mobo.
but thats not the point. the point is every post i have seen where this starts happening its cuz the ram is dieing. nothing will fix it now. so watch it carefully.
I know with mine once it started beeping it was done.. nothing worked.... the ram wouldnt even boot at stock 200mhz WITHOUT the booster. which it will do normally.
Yup I have 2 pairs of BH-5 which behaves like this after using the booster to boost the vdimm to 3.5V+, after 1 or 2 days, they couldn't boot at the HTT before and they needed 3.2V to boot at default settings (200MHz 2-2-2-5). Strangely I put it in my friend's DFI NF4, I can reach 250MHz+ again....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
my dead readline stick lives again
is ddr500 at 2-3-3-7 good from a tccd stand point or is it average
CAS 2? not CAS 2.5?Quote:
Originally Posted by msimax
If so thats REALLY good, My G.Skill LE's wont break 215MHz @ CAS 2
Tho at 2.5-3-3-7 DDR550+ is average.
wow 112 pages.. I'm sure this is somewhere in this mess.. but what is about the norm for HTT out of this board?
I'm running 295 right now.. not sure if it's stable... asking too much of this board?
Yes I only changed the first xmod for him now he does it himself so its his bios. Better to remove my name so i dont get complaints about his bios. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by D3kMatrix
Its possible to replace the vga rom i could try and put the vga rom from 1.8 in the 1.B bios.
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Originally Posted by shmaa
its tough to say what the average is. but 295 is a great setting guy.
what are you running your cpu at ? and is 295 HTT 1:1 ? meaning your ram is also running 295 ?
my board has a max stable HTT of around 360~365 but i can boot into windows at 370 and do SOME benching.
but thats not 1:1 thats running my memory on a divider and the cpu is running 7x i believe.
so if your running 295 1:1 thats VERY good
Yes, I havn't see anyone with 295 sync, or 280 syn stable with a venice ... and finally I wait my dfi nf4 now ...
Good continuation on this mysterious neo2 ;)
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I have some pretty crappy mem atm... stuff I used in my old K7... so it's on a divider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
I have a pretty bum chip too... most I can get it D2OL stable at is around 2.55ghz at 1.6+ V on a XP90-C.... :(
woot woot the Ultra-D is here and tommorrow my 6800 GT PCI-E arrives.
ill be a busy boy this weekend. i doubt ill walk outside for anything lol.
10 - 1 you think its crap and moan about it by sunday :p:
hey what are you saying ?
if this board is crap then i am getting my money back and ill finally rma my neo2 and then give it to the ol lady and ill stay on my nice lappy for god knows how long
this is my last effort for a long time to get a good working system.
if it dont work then im done and taking a vacation from my desktop for a while
hey lestat was the redline that died closest to the booster.
the reason i ask is because any time i put my dead stick in and it works if i bend it a certain way it starts beeping on post. my theory is while i was running it at 3.7 plus that
heat from the booster it may loosened something on the stick . no lie i just started banging the stick on my desk and it boot no prob. test no errors, i wish i hadnt took heatspreader off no rma *note* redline uses special stickers that say void when remove if u do want to removed them use a blowdryer and peel slowly
no actually it was the one closest to the cpu that went first.
i never went above 3.6 on my redline. and that was only for a short time.
too bad too cuz the guy who had it before me ran it at 1.5-2-2-0 @ 265mhz @ 3.6v
alot of people had said that if you go to 1.5 with the redline it stablizes the ram somewhat at higher HTT so maybe check it out.
mine worked good for a few hours, or more like 1/2 an evening and then it started dieing on me.
Personally i say its a combination of the NEO2 and the Booster that kill the ram. or kill the ram slots. but i tried all ram slots and it was the same thing.
Its possible, sionce as i stated OCZ only rates the neo2 to 3.4v that we are hurting the mobo by pushing more into it and its actually killing the ram. but i doubt it im sure we would have heard about ons of people doing this.
i just think the UTT stuff like redline and ocz VX is so sensative that it dies easily
well im bumbed my video dont arrive till tommorrow... so im sitting with a system i cant use for an evening :(
Hi guys, what is the best bios to use with SD 3700 and tccd ram need the extra voltage and 183 divider. thanks in advance
Hi guys, glad to be back to xtremes
Since I moved I didn't have net for nearly 3 months. We'll see what we'll be able to do with new bioses :toast:
nice, WB :D
And no net for 3 months, ugh, that must of sucked.
Welcome back NFM :cool:
woohoo the man himself!
nice to see your back NFM wow who's your ISP that they didnt have I-Net out to you.
and SE im loving my ultra-d so far but you said by sunday so we'll wait and see.
cpu really isnt much more stable and it definately dont overclock any higher but Corsair XMS old school bh-5 is running 265 2-2-2-5 @ 3.5v and i havent tried higher yet
i think im gunna find a little 3000 or 3200 winnie for the g/f and rma the neo2 and let her have that.
so ill still be around to b|tch and complain :D
Im pleased that the cpu doesnt go any higher shows that the neo 2 doesnt have a problem with finding max cpu speeds or supplying a steady voltage etc.
Seems the 4 stage power setup that the dfi uses doesnt help cpu overclocking at all :p:
New BIOS on MSI.com
1.B, fixes USB 2 issue ;)
so guys, i want to talk to you bios builders to see if you can help me understand the issue with hte neo2 and mostly the vcore....
a lil backstory if ya dont mind: i got myself a storm kit and soem otehr stuff to watercool my machine, mostly for quietness. i been building it up in the kitchen away for my desk for like almost 2 weeks. so i figure use this time to burn in, and make sure all things are stable.. i was and chose to still run 250x10 as my 24/7 setup. never had any probs before but you know, fresh waterblock, fresh AS5, i figure some good burn in and stability checks would be nice, pus now i can know for sure im prime 24hr stable.
ok so first thing i think i noticed was obviously the whole "voltage that you select is not really the voltage you get" ok fine. i can live with that. so i have been using hte %'s. then i learn that even with that, you might not be gettin what you asked for evidenced by me using various combinations of 1.425, 1.45 and 1.475 with the 3.3%, 5% , 8.3% and 10%. tthen i hear i must select 1.55 and hten a % to get it set right. but what is right? what am i really ssupposed to be getting?
next issue is do i take what i see in cpuz, bios, everest, etc as what the actual vcore is? and the main question i have been tryin to wrap my head around is: though i kno winchester cpus have an issue with hitting a voltage wall around 1.6 and up and at about 2.6ghz or so blah blah, is there also a point where they are LESS stable with MORE volts at my speed of 2.5ghz? weird, but i dont unnderstand.
ps: tried out a few bioses last night from the links here etc currently running 180NFM(Rev.3).rar cuz its the newest modded bios that i downloaded that still allowed control over the nb fan. some of the super modded ones that were adding other mem dividers did not even have it possible making my nb fan run at full speed aka noisy....
if there is any newer bioses that 1. still allow control of hte nb fan, 2. have better or REAL vcore controls (assuming its not a direct mobo thing like the whole trcd issue with 2t blah) and 3. is a better bios for "oc'ing"
notes: most of the time the error i get is after a buncha hours (5 and up) and is usually a rounding error (expected blah but got blah). ram is running at 208 mhz which is acheived with 166 divider and is memtest stable 24hrs. and of course nothing is really getting very hot at all cuz its watercooled and im pretty sure my 120 mm fan runnin from the front of hte mobo to the back across the ram and mosfets is doing its job + they have heatsinks on em.
i know i said alot but i wnated to get the best help possible thanks for your time.
Yes none of the new bios files have fan control for the northbridge fan included. Its because the files after 1.8 are a new bios so it doesnt have the option yet.
Its best to use speedfan to monitor and change the values anyway because the motherboard is really bad at doing it. The lowest value is like 40 degrees. You can use speedfan to set more reasonble values like 25 or 30 degrees or just set a constant percentage. Plus it shows your cpu temp at all times in the toolbar which is always good.
And the voltage is spot on. Its not that it gives the wrong reading its that any voltage above 1.45 volts is ignored. So for example 1.45 +10 percent is the same as 1.55 + 10 percent because they are both really 1.45 + 10 percent. This is because the newer cpus have a max VID of 1.45 not like the old cores that had 1.55.
So anyone with a Winchester, venice or san diego should always set 1.45 and then the percentage.
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Originally Posted by sideeffect
well that dont mean anything its a crap cpu with a seriously crappy memory controller on it.
im very displeased at that cpu.
and the neo wouldnt go over 2.55 stable and i am back to 2.65ghz stable with the DFI so.. yes it IS a much much better unit.
Has anyone seen the following error when booting with a raid 0 configuration:
[Warning: Have Option ROM can not be invoke (Vendor ID:10DEH, Device ID: 00DFH)]
After I flashed to the lastest bios I'm getting this error, windows boots just fine however. I think that it has something to do with the Nvidia Lan since if I disable it I don't the error but I'm using it for internet/lan connection so I need it on. Anyone got a better fix? thanks.
:stick:
Yes ive noticed this error i have a possible fix to the problem which im planing to implement in my next bios if i can get it to work properly.
However MSI may fix it by then. But then the problem has exisited since the 1.9 bios came out so dont hold your breath waiting for MSI.
mr sideeffect sir, this is precisely the single post end all be all answer i was lookin for all week to explain to me exactly WHAT the hell was going on with this mobo and cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by sideeffect
i am very happy and incidentally: last night i set the comp to prime blend test before bed, i might have mentioned this before, with the nfm 1.8 mod bios as it still had the nb fan control and just got home from work still priming which i can assume is about 19 hours so ima let it run.
if its alll the same to the mobo (or cpu?) i shouldnt have to change the vcore setting should i? i think its 1.55 + 5% thats looking to be a stable winner..... i gues only if im trying to get it to go stable with les voltage.
anyhoo i had ben using speedfan to do the control back when i was on nvsilencer, 120 mm case fans and xp-90, but ive turned it off now with the advent of my swiftech storm kit.
i guess the thing is i was never able to set the nb fan to any of the controls before cuz i do like the "control" speedfan gives and its lightweight on the cpu. so if i can figure out how to map the nb fan and sensor in speedfan i will. i guess in ever really DID explore it too much. it does take some configging tho. got a direction to point me to?
(ps: yea when the bios ramps down the nb, its very funny, it takes about a minute and its in 4 defined steps.... very silly, speedfan was much better with how it ramped fan speeds)
sideeffect, thanks again. now the question is, which bios would i use of hte newer ones? i experienced the lan error thing too and didnt like it, so not one of those, but would i use one of these lettered 1.X bioses? what are their strengths?
Speedfan controls the Temperatures of your cpu and nforce 3 chipset by using a target that you choose. It then varies the speed of the fans within the percentage that you also choose. Good percentage values are like 70 - 100 percent. This way when it starts to get hot it goes to 100 percent otherwise it will stay at 70 percent.
You must tick the boxes to allow automatic fan speeds. Its also better to turn the option off in bios so they dont interfear with each other although i think speedfan overides the bios. Heres some pics to help you. As you see i leave my Chipset at a constant 80 percent by having min and max values the same. This is because i dont like constant fan chages personally and it doesnt get to hot anyway.
The lan issue is in all the bios files after 1.8 im working on a fix for 1.B official mod so maybe wait for that bios.
Speedfan is good but one thing about it which you might notice from this picture is that it displays +3.3 and +12 volt rails wrongly. this is because it follows the standard winbond spec and the neo 2 doesnt. To get the correct +3.3 and +12 you need to use core center or the fantastic Systool Speedfan measures the other voltages and temperatures just fine though so its not a big problem.
http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//speedfan1.JPG
http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//speedfan2.JPG