Well, my local Micro Center only got 6 pcs. of 2600Ks on its shelf and stock room today and no plan to refresh inventory next week:)
Could be they make a room for the new cpu?:D
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Well, my local Micro Center only got 6 pcs. of 2600Ks on its shelf and stock room today and no plan to refresh inventory next week:)
Could be they make a room for the new cpu?:D
Depends on the batch of 2500K. Early batch's at release weren't that great. 4.6-4.8 the norm on air. Newest batch's are a lot better. 5.0Ghz+ on airQuote:
Originally Posted by informal
Mine with a Hyper 212+ run 24/7. With a D14 i believe 5.2+ should be quite easy
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I hope so. 179.99 8150 would be awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
it's just a few days before Monday chew*
can we please see what it could max on AIR ;)
Maybe a re-post but still worth it I think. Anand posted 4 parts of his own video material from the OC event. You can see and hear Simon talking about high end air,water cooling and LN2 clock targets,temps,robustness of FX(they don't degrade with 1.5V or not as fast as other chips would do) etc. The rest of team AMD FX is there too :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-qJA...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sli6kBh9aNs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gQq3RwVtuc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7DTPmgOUxg&feature=related
Awesome post. I can't wait to test a 5Ghz 8150 vs a 5Ghz 2500KQuote:
Originally Posted by informal
I will have an FX8150 on LN2 by the end of october, or I will go nuts. I'm too excited for this release.
now the real goal is to come up with $500 by the end of october...
Sell yourself ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
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Originally Posted by chew*
when you say 6+ is possible on phase .. do you mean single stage -30c or so ??? or closer to dry ice territory in the -50c or so range ???
Video shows 6 gig at 30 suicide, -45 range I'd guess you could bench that? Dice should be able to hold -50 to -55Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
...what's the MAX safe voltage for this proc. on AIR?
1.5v(no degradation) as said by simone from the video, watch the videos its really informative
Yet another TEASE:p:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post4950183
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I watched some "real" benches.. The AMD holds it's own very well against a 980X and when you kick in the price difference between it and a 980X it's a no brainer.
I'll say it this way, IF I was building a gaming machine I would use the FX8150 and not think twice about it, and buy the family's food for the month with the savings!
Considering they were using 2v for valids, something the didnt even do on Deneb...looks like that would be plausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
But the 2500k beats the 980x in most (gaming) benches, and can be gotten relatively cheaply. Not sure how I feel about it holding its own (not beating) the 980x in game benches; plus, games aren't my only concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by undone
Regardless, that's still exciting to hear, and assures me that I won't have many regrets getting a BD cpu.
freeloader informal where did you get $230 for the highest 8150 model? Isn't the price too low considering It should compete with SB 2600 and not 2500 not to mention two weeks ago it was ~$269 and one month ago $300. I get the fact they want to have better price/performance ratio but this price is too low.
Honestly i only have doubts about integer ST performance. I mean, look at BD's FPU. It's way more powerful than k10, i think it will be on par with SB (if not even faster) in ST FP tasks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Yeah I want to know where he got those numbers as well. AFAIK the pricing structure is still:Quote:
Originally Posted by TESKATLIPOKA
FX-8150: 8 core, 3.6GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) - $266.28
FX-8120: 8 core, 3.1GHz (4GHz Turbo) - $221.73
FX-6100: 6 core, 3.3GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) - $188.32
its very good, maybe up to 1.55V as with older Denebs :). We will see, how much next step in voltage help in overclock (for 10-20 MHz up is not sense incrase voltage from 1.5 to 1.55 of course...). Im looking not only for chips (maybe Im crazy), but also at new wallpapers with Scorpion logos :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
Many thanks for these video :)Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Just asking: any test with Crosshair IV? :sofa:
Im curious for AIR too :)! Hope, Chew will be testing forum results with air too.Quote:
Originally Posted by cesariuth
Apparently Intel will release a 2700K at the same time BD is released, thus the downward pricing. Take it for what it is...:) Also, if supply is low don't expect to see those prices. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Megacharge
http://www.extremetech.com/computing...n-sandy-bridge
freeloader Then what about 4core SB-E its evident more cache doesn't help much not to mention those prices are just too low.
SB2700 would get just a 200Mhz boost thats not much and Instead of AMD cutting prices Intel should cut the price of SB2600 if It has plans for a new model.
Simply pointing people to what I've read. I have no idea myself what the pricing will be for AMD or Intel at the time of BD's launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by TESKATLIPOKA
freeloader I am not accusing you of anything and thanks for the link, but I think his prices are BS but we will know for sure once the NDA lifts.
chiv is better suited to thuban, ch5 is better suited to bd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh
But will it work on am3 mobo,or only am3+?
Your asking the wrong question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex-Ro
Will it work? Yes
The right question is will it be optimal? No.
Was that speed stable at all on the phase or just a validation? Can you say what it can run stably run at on phase? My phase runs at -55 to -60C (at the evap) so I am hoping to get close to what you showed if not better. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
What do you mean by optimal? Power savings not being there, turbo not working, or the CPU just not performing as good verse being in am3+? If I can get a moderate overclock and it will perform as good as the sane clock on am3+ I am all set if my board supports BD.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Thanks :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
The info I have offered is all I can legally disclose at this time so don't take it as me being rude and not answering questions.
I would also like to know this. I don't care about the power features. Just performance :)Quote:
Originally Posted by xBanzai89
Yes or no will do in terms of perf?
Yes. No. Maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Understandable.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Is there any 900 series mATX motherboards coming out from any of the manufactures? I wouldn't mind getting a proper AM3+ socket, but I do not want to get one of the older 800 series.
Ok, thanks chew*Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Great news guys, the noname blogger says his pal Peter sent him some tests comparing IPC between BD and Thuban at 4.2Ghz no turbo (1 thread)
SuperPI +22% for Thuban
Cinebench 10 +13% for Thuban
Cinebench 11.5 +23% for Thuban
wPrime 32M +42% for Thuban
Fritzchess (both 6 threads) +24% for Thuban
Seriously Its too unbelievable to be believable:ROTF:
I want to know the same thing, only regarding mITX boards....Quote:
Originally Posted by xBanzai89
yea this one needs to be taken with a Super Huge Grain of Salt and maybe get a tetanus shot for good measure,because his stuff seems ToxicQuote:
Originally Posted by TESKATLIPOKA
Still these are from an ES chip. chew* and JF said that we shouldn't believe them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TESKATLIPOKA
Source: http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/11...aunch-faq.html
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Q. I saw a benchmark on xyz website. Is that how bulldozer will perform?A. No. Nothing posted before launch will be representative of actual performance. To get actual performance, you need:
Final production silicon
Final processor microcode
Final system BIOS
Final OS optimizaitons
Final drivers
An app compiled with the latest flags
A person who understands the app and configures the test properly
Without these things (and there are probably more), you cannot get an accurate benchmark. Any extrapolation of a crappy benchmark gives you a crappy estimate of actual performance. Period.
Oh, and many of the benchmarks that you see were probably not run, those are just charts made in excel. It's really easy to make a chart in excel - what do you want, bulldozer faster by 3716%? Intel faster by 293%? Sure, I can do either one in 10 seconds. Why are you arguing about benchmarks that probably aren't real?
Canis-X Actually I am waiting for chew* to classify It as the biggest BS ever.
AGESA 0.0.9.2 or 1.1.0.0?Quote:
Originally Posted by TESKATLIPOKA
Gotcha :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by TESKATLIPOKA
There are good overclockers, very good overclockers, incredibly good overclockers and then there's MACCI.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Hail to the king!!!
Dresdenboy No, he tested It on GigaByte GA-990FXA-UD7 and the bios was F5 and that is with
AGESA 0.0.9.2 from the info on gigabyte homepage.
thanks for these videos :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
(wow you really managed to piss off the one who shall not be named:rofl:)
Ok, I keep seeing AGESA lately, what is it and what does it do? How does it impact a CPU?
Canis-X If I am not mistaken, with AGESA code they blocked TLB bug in Barcelona which resulted in weaker performance.
I think And that is:Quote:
Originally Posted by TESKATLIPOKA
Cinebench 11.5 BD 8c 3.6GHz = 6.6pts
SP 1M at BD 4.2GHz = 20s
:(
It's microcode injected into a bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canis-X
For every cpu generation and or revision the microcode can be tuned/optimized and even without a silicon revision.
From there board partners can play around and "tweak" it even more via bios.
As simple as this.....If your FX8150 too slow then sell it or return it for refund or you can wait untill it available for purchase.
Any overclocking results up to this second are not from "retail ready cpu" and should be view as an "engeneering sample" results
BLT has 9-22-11 as the in stock date for the 8150
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/...er_id=!ORDERID!
cesariuth SuperPi was correct 20.5s but Cinebench is 6.95:D
Thanks again chew* and thank you for your input also TESKATLIPOKA, much appreciated!!Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Canis-X glad to help with the little knowledge I have:)
22-9.Hmm that would be too good to be true.However given that many info leaked out recently and AMD overclocking videos i would say that 2 week max we will have BD for sale :) Or just hope so :D
Alex-Ro That would be great.:up:
Wonder about the 4100. Wife doesn't need an 8150
Pestilence What about trinity 2module or is it too late?
To add some thinks in AIda L2 read is about 2/3 of its write speed and L3 read is about 50% faster than L2 read, the funny thing is even read from memory is a bit faster.
I no understand this:
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Same result with different frecuency? :confused:
Want to play with a 4100 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TESKATLIPOKA
Only 6.95 with 4.3ghz? Doesn't the 2600K pull 6.8 at 3.4ghz?Quote:
Originally Posted by cesariuth
turbo was ON maybe ???Quote:
Originally Posted by cesariuth
6,89Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i...600k-review/14
Turbo ON with all cores? mmmmmm....Quote:
Originally Posted by Seth-01
Just a few of possible explanations to that ...Quote:
Originally Posted by cesariuth
1.) Genuine mistake when creating or copying graphs
2.) Deliberate messing up with frequencies and results
3.) Different samples with different performance levels or different BIOSes used etc.
Btw someone sent me a PM here pointing out that "noname faker guy" says I post comments that he deletes on his blog?! :p: I don't even visit his blog so how can I post comments? That guy is a real piece of work hehe.
I see some of you posted results of 4.2Ghz FX. Is this from him?
Your best friend wrote: "For my best (15x daily) reader - informal (hjh)Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Hi kiddo, you are posting many comments every days with questions, but i am deleting comments automatically ... drop me one with your email address i will answer all your questions kid. I am waiting"
I was tempted to ask you about that but ruled it out as another Liars nonsense.
P.S.: yep, that`s from his blog.
It's from someone who bought a CPU from him. (8150 B2 ES)
Running on a Gigabyte 990FX UD7 with latests official stable BIOS (old AGESA).
informal Yeah, who else would make up -20% IPC:rofl:
I don't believe the results are fake, but I think they don't reflect retail performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by TESKATLIPOKA
I mean, if you could get an 8150ES today and drop it on any board you'll not get better results...
I thought he never had bd and made it all up? If someone has a chip from him he obviously did have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andi64
Someone just stated he had a B2 and retail chips are B2 according to gigabyte. It'll be hilarious if he's ballparkQuote:
Originally Posted by informal
Andi64 I bet it was his test and no one sent him anything, just made it up like informal posting comments on his blog.
That guy is totally crazy it seems. On top of that he is also an attention **** ... Who really cares what he thinks? I stopped paying attention to him after he got banned on XS. He was completely discredited after that debacle about his inside info on radeon 4800 series (and 480SP he was claiming are final spec). Dude is a joke.
PestilenceI would rather play with a new shiny Trinity 2 module notebook:DQuote:
Want to play with a 4100
he had B0, thats for sure because he posted video on youtube and the booting screen showed an B0 ES sample.Quote:
Someone just stated he had a B2 and retail chips are B2 according to gigabyte. It'll be hilarious if he's ballpark
If there is any use for these results.. why don't you ask why the 3.6G FX is as fast as a 4.3G FX.. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
Dresdenboy Why? :ROTF:
because Cinebench benched in normal mode (3.6 GHz) but recognize the frequency in turbo mode ??? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dresdenboy
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dresdenboy
Seth-01 Not quite, this BD was run at 4.2Ghz with turbo OFF.
I wouldn't trust those results for the simple fact that we have others with legit access to these cpus saying the opposite. Plus nothing we know about the architecture would suggest such a huge drop in IPC - it would come down to a failure in implementation, which could indicate the quality of particular chip he has.Quote:
Originally Posted by TESKATLIPOKA
However, with that said, don't rest your (Not you specifically TESKATLIPOKA, but everyone) sense of self and identity on those numbers not being true, you risk becoming the next reverse-fanboy if they are. Those of us with a long memory will remember that OBR is exactly that sort of individual. When he came here he was a pro-amd troll. He said that Conroe was "very big hype only" and then after release it wouldn't be faster for long (how did those predictions turn out, Mr "inside info" :lol: ). Then, disappointed with barcelona and R600 he turned into an anti-amd troll and said things like if the leaked R600 benches were true (they were, roughly) that we should say "Good Bye to AMD/ATi" (how did that one turn out? lol).
Everyone, if you don't want to become the next OBR please moderate your expectations. If not for yourself at least do it for the rest of us. Companies aren't perfect and even your favorite one will let you down someday.
Solus Corvus Nicely said but my expectations aren't that high, in my opinion IPC can't be lower than K10 and why is that, because of module and integer size compared to Llano, considerably bigger yet lower IPC doesn't coexist in my book.
If he's talking about broken ES chips, maybe it's true.... and completely irrelevantQuote:
Originally Posted by TESKATLIPOKA
(I think I read somewhere that one reason for poor ES performance was no hardware prefetching)
Apokalipse I heard it was enabled in AGESA 0.0.9.* and that should be in F5 bios for Gigabyte or wasn't yet enabled :confused:.
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Originally Posted by cesariuth
The left result is his own Benchmark result and the other result is the one from Peter, he sold one of his B2 to him. That's why they are slightly different, nothing special I think.
Hey guys, I wonder why nobody cared to reflect on my questions from yesterday (#2696)... Does it just vent unnoticed next to the newer OC results, or is it an indication I should drop them altogether? :)
it did not seem to be a question but more like a reflection :)
All i want is a review from Anandtech and i'll be happy.
Yes, the first part of it. Maybe I've packed to much into one message. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Oese
So, I mean these ones:
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Originally Posted by dess
I think it's better not even mention as "the blabla guy". Forget that he exists, he laughs everytime someone gives somekind of a voice in the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Last 2 pages dedicated to the "problem", you help the problem.
I listened to the PCPer podcast #170 this afternoon, they made brief mention that they haven't been briefed by AMD on BD as of yet, it looks like people hoping for an NDA lift on the 19th will be disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
Meh. His confrontational tone diminishes his credibility, pay it no mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
i hate finding posts like this:mad:
smartidiot89 posted this at amdzone
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I got some time alone with a Bulldozer system with a retail sample FX-8150 and what we've seen so far seems correct
and AMD aren't even sure internally(!) when Bulldozer will launch. I am well aware it still could be an old BIOS/AGESA code
so don't lecture me on that.
I'll be a tease as I'll write an article about it tomorrow specifically what I know about the when they think(!) launch will take place approximatelly
Its just someone's opinion. No reason to get upset about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
i think he is a hardware reviewer for a websiteQuote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
smartidiot89 works for Nordic Hardware if I say no mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
22% slower than thuban at super pi , so slower than bobcat?
Curry > Cheeseburger :cool:
Who cares about stupid super pi. It has zero bearing on anything.
*edit* hmm a little ironic post I guess given my current avatar.
what's "super pi" again?