Thanks! Looking forward to 4600.
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Thanks! Looking forward to 4600.
Congrats Nkresho, that's a great cpu and you've done well with it.
I happened to pick up a Q9650 today as I've wanted to see what they're for quite some time now. None of my s775 boards are really up to the task of quad overclocking, but I threw it into my REX. I used a TRUE copper with 120 x 38mm scythe fan at 1700rpm, and I have to say, these chips run very hot, the TRUE cant control it.
I ran prime for a little over 2 hours but forgot to get a SS at that point so only have 1 hour SS. I ran a quick 10x Linx but only realized I hadn't selected max mem until afterward.
4005 MHz @ 1.232v (LCD Poster and DMM read ~1.217v) / 1.219 Vtt / PL8 @ 1.43 vNB / 712 MHz 7-7-7-20 1T
http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...LCDposterP.jpg
4005 MHz @ 1.224v (LCD Poster and DMM read ~1.204v) / 1.19Vtt / PL8 @ 1.41vNB / 712 MHz 7-8-7-20 1T
http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...4v119VttPL.jpg
^ thanks. I'll take it further next week when my new board comes. (had to replace ud3r since i'm a goober)
Wow that is warm for that clockspeed. As others have said, new, low vid chips need water I guess.
I don't even try linpack over 4300mhz since it takes me well into the upper 70's. Maybe when it gets really cold here and I can open a window.
CryptiK the true is ok for 4.1
you be amazed how much better a 26$ coolmaster 212 is
1 fan not enough for either cooler you need push pull
Nice, hope the new board is a good one. Yeah its a warm 'new' chip (L847C176) and going higher with clocks and vcore easily pushes temps into upper 70's. I'd need water to go much higher.
Yours being 1.15 VID and running upper 70's on water @ 4300+ is indicative of how hot these things really are.
Thanks Sergio.
At 4.13GHz / 1.256v it hit 80*C so I stopped the test. I will have to try and add another fan next time.
I have a 48C153, 1.23vid, and it def does not run hot. I have pushed 1.38V into it and temps still go no higher then 65C when doing P95 smallffts. This chip runs cooler then my old E8600. MY CPU fan is set up to push only. Of course my chip doesnt seem to clock as high as some of u guys.
This morning I was testing a 9550 at 4G with 1.268v on water and after an hour of prime small temps where in the mid 70s, no problems though kinda toasty for me.
omg why are all Q9650's so good my Q9550 just sucks doesnt go over 4GHz... also my vid is not as good as it should be my min vid is 1.1 and my max is 1.275 -.- anny tips here to get it over 4GHz..?
Your gonna hear alot of people say that your OC is more about what mobo you have versus how good your CPU is. Many people agree that the UD3P/UD3R really make quads "shine" in OCing. With a lower multi chip like the 9550, mobo selection is that much more important.
My mobo is a DFI Lanparty DK P45-T2RS+ i know it isnt that good for quads but there must be more in it cause my cpu's vid is 1.275 so i think my cpu is the bottleneck and not the bord. so maybe im gonna switch with my brothers Q9550 he has a vid of 1.150
I don't think so;)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5243/9550515lp.png
Nice clocks on that 9550. That's a pretty insane vcore heh.
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After some more testing, it became pretty clear that my REX was not suitable to clock a quad with, so I am now using my P5Q Deluxe. Seems PL 8 @ 467 FSB on the 4:5 divider (DDR2-1167 MHz) is stable, and requires 1.36 - 1.40 vNB (haven't tried to test minimum yet, but 1.34vNB was not stable, at least using default NB GTL Ref as I'm yet to tweak this). It's cooler today and I have the 2000rpm scythe at full speed so temps are a little better but its still very hot and it's limiting the CPU's max speed.
I will post some results if I get anything decent stable, I wont have anything near as good as some of you guys with your low VID chips and watercooling though.
Well i dont have that cpu yet i still have my own one with vid of 1.275 -.-.
I realy want the cpu of my brother cause he isn't a OCer he will use 4GHz and thats easy with my cpu at 1.296 volts on my bord and he has a Gigabyte GA-X48-DQ6 so that wouldn't be a problem. and i dont want to blow another 150 euros for a new motherbord since now you have core i 5 core i 7 and soon core i 9 so i think its a little bit useless to upgrade my mobo for lets say 500MHz higher clock. First im going to test some more with this CPU en hopefully this weekend i have the CPU of my brother :)
@Loco23
Pretty High VCore for that clock :P.
But ok anny tips are welcome :)
EDIT://
My Bios Settings
Genie BIOS Setting
Exit Setup shutdown........................... - Mode 2
Shutdown after AC loss........................ - Enabled
AC Shutdown free.............................. - Enabled
O.C. Fail retry Counter....................... - 1
O.C. Fail CMOS Reload......................... - Disabled
CPU Clock Ratio............................... - 8.5X
CPU N/2 Ratio................................. - Enabled
Target CPU Clock.............................. - 4124 MHz
CPU Clock..................................... - 485 MHz
Boot Up Clock................................. - Auto
CPU Clock Amplitude........................... - 800mV
CPU Clock0 Skew............................... - 100ps
CPU Clock1 Skew............................... - 200ps
DRAM Speed.................................... - 333/667
Target DRAM Speed............................. - DDR2 961MHz
PCIE Clock.................................... - 100 MHz
CPU Spread Spectrum........................... - Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum.......................... - Disabled
CPU Feature
Thermal Management Control.................... - Enabled
PPM (EIST)Mode................................ - Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal............................ - Disabled
C1E Function.................................. - Disabled
Execute Disable Bit........................... - Disabled
Core Multi-Processing......................... - Enabled
DRAM Timing
Enhance Data Transmitting..................... - Auto
Enhanced Addressing........................... -Auto
T2 Dispatch................................... - Disabled
Flex Memory Mode.............................. - Auto
CAS Latency Time (tCL)........................ - 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD)..................... - 5
RAS# Precharge (tRP).......................... - 5
Precharge Delay (tRAS)........................ - 18
All Precharge to ACT.......................... - Auto
REF to ACT Delay (tRFC)....................... Auto
Performance LVL (Read Delay).................. Auto
Write to PRE Delay (tWR)...................... - Auto
Rank Write to Read (tWTR)..................... - Auto
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)....................... -Auto
Read to Write Delay (tRDWR)................... - Auto
Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR).................. - Auto
Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD)................... -Auto
Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP).................... - Auto
All PRE to Refresh............................ - Auto
Clock Setting Fine Delay
DLL and RCOMP Settings........................ - By Model
CH1 DRAM Default Skew......................... - Model 3
CH2 DRAM Default Skew......................... - Model 3
RCOMP Setting................................. - Model 1
Voltage Setting
CPU VID Special Add........................... - +250.0mV is 1.328 V idle and 1.296 load.
DRAM Voltage Control.......................... - 2.123
SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage....................... - 1.55V
NB Core Voltage............................... - 1.3750
CPU VTT Voltage............................... - 1.30V
Vcore Droop Control........................... - Disabled
Clockgen Voltage Control...................... - 3.45V
CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt.......................... - 0.67X
CPU GTL 1/3 REF Volt.......................... - 0.67X
North Bridge GTL REF Volt..................... - 0.63X
FSB Vref...................................... - Auto
@Loco23
True here a validation of 500FSB x 6 so you can see its not my mobo :P
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=721724
This is what I've managed so far. As you can see, it's a very hot cpu. Prime small FFT's run at 76*C max at the same settings. To go further I'd need water cooling.
4203 MHz @ 1.312v (cpuz) 1.302v (DMM) / 1.26 Vtt / PL8 @ 1.40 vNB / DDR2-1167 MHz
http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...26vttPL814.jpg
Cryptik: The good thing is it appears that your chip doesn't crap out at 65-70c, a lot of 9650's lose stability at anything above that. If possible put it on water and try the giga board. Nice vcore for 4200mhz.
cryptik most important i find are gtl settings on rex or on ud3p
i was fine with quad on rex but only with 2 gigs of ram
ok its just my chip it sucks i cant get it higher so im going to switch this weekend hopefully... :)
You must switch your mobo. Everybody told you about this.
I had 4 processors:Q9450, Q9550 and two Q9650. All of them could work at 500FSB.
The GTL Refs are set to 0.670x (0/2) and 0.690x (1/3), and NB GTL Ref is on auto at the moment.
I can't call it stable, as I have only run large FFT's at those settings for around 40 mins. I have not been able to spend much time on testing.
I did run HCI memtest to load the ram and NB and I did get an error but it may be the ram, as I'm using the sticks I benched on DICE at 3.00v+
I'll use some known good sticks and do more testing but I think it may take 1.44 - 1.46vNB for stability.
Perfect GTL's differ from cpu to cpu, and also depend on Vtt. Setting them to above settings improved stability for my chip.
So I just upgraded from my sweet 1.2125VID E8600 to a used Q9650 I got from a forum. Turns out the Q9650 is 1.225VID!
First, I'd like to say that... WHOA... Quads need so much more voltage for stability..........:shocked:
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...0mhz-8x500.jpg
On the same board, my E8600 Did:
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...50-200linx.jpg
Anyway, I was stuck below 2000FSB because anandtech suggested no more than 1.36vTT...
I stumbled upon this thread, set my vTT to 1.4v and 2000FSB is mine.
I haven't downtuned my cpu voltage yet, but that's up next after linx verification.
All my stuff is watercooled:
Swiftech Apogee GTZ
EK NB-MAX
Swiftech MCW30
3x HWLabs SR1-120's
Swiftech MCP655b
Swiftech MCRes Micro v2
Enermax Magma Twister Fans
MB: Striker II NSE BIOS 805 790i :)
RAM: 4GB Patriot Extreme Low Latancy 1600MHz (7-7-7-20-31 @ 7-6-6-16-26)
vCore: 1.5125v BIOS 1.38-1.46v HWMon
vTT: 1.4v BIOS 1.44-1.46v HWMon
PLL: 1.6v BIOS 1.60-1.62v HWMon
vNB: 1.72v BIOS 1.76-1.78v HWMon
I think your overvolting your CPU @ 1.392v. You should use a lot less to get stable at 4ghz. Heck I thought mine was high for 4ghz and we both have the same VID. It something else that is not stable.
My latest bench, took me a week to get there WITHOUT Acards ANS9010:
PCMark05 23.7K
Now I only need 689 point to consolidate the Q9650 ranking :up:
Very nice Jor3lBR, good work.
Great work as usual Jor3lBR. Congrats :up:
First of all Jor3lBR nice work realy nice oc :)
Does annyone know's what max safe voltage is for P45 Chip?? cauze if i google i find lots of stuff but all diffrent vallue's. some people say you need more NB voltage aswell when you use X-Fire or extra ram so what's the max safe voltage for p45 chip :P? and what is the max safe vtt :P?
Thanks guys! It took me a long time!
Regarding max safe voltages that is a subject directly linked to core temperature. If you plan to keep it under 60oC it will last you a lifetime with 1.7vcore. It's very relative.
Thanks teammate (XS HWbot), you will definitely improve your scores as PCMark05 is very dependent on HDD scores like Xp Start Up, HDD General Use and Anti Virus Scan.
I used this formula to improve my scores > HDDERASE each SSD > Create Raid_0 array > Diskpart Align=128 > Vista32 n lighted > the rest only on our team thread :up:
Finally back together guys...
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5899/img0240k.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8079/img0239xf.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8382/img0238mj.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2705/img0237eq.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/379/img0236wv.jpg
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http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1667/img0233pt.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9315/img0232hi.jpg
Heatkiller backplate facing the right way this time... LOL
Always good to maintain the positive attitude!
I fried 2 UD3P's and almost killed my golden quad with insulation issues.
Now back to your benches :up:
Oh yeah, good eye.
I put a 45 on the bottom of the gpu before filling the loop because of that. Thanks for spotting it though.
Well my P5Q-D wasn't showing me a lot of love, so I dusted off my Maximus II Formula. I'm currently focusing on Large FFT's as its where this board has the most trouble, small FFT's and LinX are easy by comparison.
The vcore and probably Vtt are obviously much higher than I need for the clock, I'm just testing the FSB only. I haven't had much time with it, but this is what I've managed so far.
1 HOUR+ Large FFT / 467 FSB / 1.26 Vtt / PL 8 @ 1.30 vNB / 560 MHz @ 5-5-5-15
http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...t-130vNB-P.jpg
So, I got the new board installed and all my clocks from 4200mhz up to 4500 are unstable in prime now. The bios is the same (f9) as are all the settings and hardware (except I am now watercooling the nb).
I thought the second pump might be stretching the limits of my power supply (hx620), but the voltage is sitting stable if I check for droop with my multimeter on the 12v and 5v lines. No change from idle to load, and well within specs.
The board is the same revision as well (1.1) so I am at a loss. I have another board coming back from rma some day, so I will have to test it on that one then.
Any ideas what might be different between the two boards?
Might my gtl values be off?
I noticed a bit more vdrop with the new board today and yesterday as compared to the last one. I'll post them later when I get home, I made a chart for all bios voltages I usedand the corresponding cpuZ voltages I was seeing. This new board is one step lower, as in, I need one bump higher to get one higher value in windows.
I really want to get you guys some screenies of 4600 and beyone, but I have to start from 4200 again.
I hope I didn't hurt my chip with that backplate stunt I pulled, but I have a good feeling it's just that this board just isn't as good as the last one.
^^ Since you're now watercooling your nb, have you considered lowering the voltage a notch or two? I'd play with the vtt too a little. Have you hooked up extra stuff to the power-supply since the switch?
Yeah I really hope nothing damaged your chip, but some of the lines in the back of the mobo might just do that when they are shorten. Very rare to happen but it can.
I always use a multimeter to test if the cpu plate is not grounded accidentally (touching any pins), before I power it on for the first time.
Try what Zucker suggested first and work on your GTL's again, they change from mobo to mobo.
well heres me at 4.7...I basically just threw up the voltages to get there, no real tweaking, I think Im running a PL of 13. My MCH was at 1.6 and I was getting freezes during my Vantage run. I touched my NB and it was burning hot, I think that was causing the freezes. Ill have to find a way to rig a fan to blow on it. The CPU test in Vantage runs fine though, so I think CPU Vcore is adequate.
http://i36.tinypic.com/21b9c42.jpg
Wow, 4.7GHz, 523fsb and <10 1M Pi! Lots of volts :) Did you just get hold of your quad? Where from?
This screenshot is just for you...lower Volts :)
Ebay, hand picked, my 1st quad, 3wks old
http://i33.tinypic.com/243jlhv.jpg
Nice Viper im sure you can go lower
this is my best SPI1M
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1682/spi20.jpg
Cheers :up:
Sergio
Heh Sergio...thanks for motivating me...u were right, I could go lower...but this is the absolute lowest, any lower=No Go
http://i34.tinypic.com/fbcmqg.jpg
Awesome stuff - I'm definitely getting one now! Depending on wether I can get interest free finance on a Q9650, 8GB of OCz Blades, TC PA120.1 and some other bits & bobs :) If not, it'll just be the memory this month and CPU next :)
And 4.9 GHz?! Crazy speeds! I somehow doubt my MIIF will match that though...
i finaly got the cpu of my brother does anny one had 500FSB x 8.5 on a normal voltage :|?
Managed to get a 4.8 screenie...still getting freezes though...I think my NB temp is the problem.
http://i33.tinypic.com/2yy5lqt.jpg
I really don't want to seem like I'm crapping on anyone's results... But I've found it totally impossible to get a truely stable overclock beyond 457 fsb... I can get into windows at 500x8 and run super-pi, test prime stable for several hours... These forms of stress don't really seem to simulate actual load any more... But really loading up my computer with Linpack proves instability rather quickly... Or attempting to play crysis will crash me also... And almost invariably the computer randomly locks up(indeterminate amount of time)...
My whole system is watercooled, so I've even resorted to trying rather ridiculous voltages, all the way up and down the tree...
Anyway, I think the short of this is that I think people need to stop using superpi and prime as methods for testing, as they no longer properly emulate load situations.
That's because your Mobo ain't as good as a P45 for FSB on a Quad (Gigabyte P45 seems to be best) and probably a Dual also (any P45).
these tests do not include 3d gametests but are perefctly fine to get an idea about stability... load hyperpi with an instance for each core, you will have a hard time to get it stable... 450FSB is already pretty good mate on a i780 or i790 platform with a quad... Nvidia chipsets tend to run too hot and totally crap out with quads and DDR3 makes the strain on the NB even harder... Your instability is due to the Nvidia chipset... they are far too erratic in behaviour...
I hear what you're saying, but with this same motherboard and my E8600 I can do 4.4GHz at 550FSB with very little voltage. I can do 4.7GHz with the same chip and lower FSB...
Is the increased FSB load of a quad really so much greater that this board would croak at 100FSB less?
My northbridge is watercooled. It peaks out around 80C with 1.85v and 500fsb at full load with the quad... With the dual it peaks out around 60C with 1.38v and 550FSB...
Anyway, what I would really like to see is one of these guys hitting ~550 fsb with a quad on one of these P45 boards is to prove what everyone is saying to me... Run 500 LinX loops and show the screenshot of it finishing.
If you guys are so stable on gigabyte/p45 at these speeds, prove it by running 500 LinX loops, is what I'm saying. Because right now, I can show what you are all showing. My computer will run for 10 seconds and complete a superpi. It will also run for 8+ hours of prime95 at 520fsb, but it crashes after 30 or so LinX loops.
So once again, prove your overclocks are stable with P45. If you're so confident, there should be nothing stopping you from running LinX like I ask. Right now I think you guys arn't actually stable.
hi andressergio. I see u have Gskill PI 1200 2x2GB ram. I got them too and I wonder what is the max voltage to run on them whitout active cooling and what max freguencies/ latencies can i expect from them?
We dont have anything to prove that hasn't been prooved mate maybe you need to read some pages back...but its a known fact that giga UD3P's kick ass on quads...try to get yours at 500x9 stable at least and show the proof...either way show your screen at 520x9 that would be nice :up:
I didn't say I was using the 9x multiplier, and in fact my screenshots on the last page SHOW I'm using the 8x multiplier.
Like I said, I can easily boot up to even 560FSB, but it is not stable. Taking a screenshot of superpi doesn't prove anything... 10 seconds of stress is nothing... So in reality, you do still have a LOT to prove.
Yet you are the guys who are claiming to be stable at 550+ FSB and show no proof. Once again, 10 seconds of superpi stress is nothing. A screenshot of superpi or prime does not prove stability any more. Period.
And as you can see with my stability testing, I was at minimum 200 Linx loops stable at 550fsb on my e8600. Which is something NONE of you can say about your overclocks.
I'll boot up at 560 and do a superpi for you tonight. But honestly I think you guys all just call it a day and say 'stable' way too easily.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9162/blend95501.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7183/blend95502.jpg
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7859/9550blend3.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9803/965045ghz.jpg
All done on Gigabyte p45's, 2 different p45 giga boards,2 different c2q cpu's. a q9550 and a q9650.
If you take the time to read the threads you will see the stable oc's posted by many.
Sergio has proven STABLE overclocks far beyond what your nvidia board will ever do using a 45nm quad. You come to this thread being an ass and really deserve no response.
When you top these oc's on your nvidia chipset board using a c2quad please come back and post your results. Until then learn to show respect to others in this great thread.
+2 :up:
Wow, and I thought I needed to chill, lol.
You think that I am posting my SuperPI results to show stability? If you think this you are mistaken. Im not trying to prove anything, including stability. Im trying to get my times faster and faster.
Why is that word "stability" still disputed. In fact the word is really subjective, and is defined differently from person to person, as it should be. Why are you trying to force people to accept your definition. For me I dont see any point in doing 12hrs Prime Blend, as long as I can play my games, edit and convert video, surf the web, Im fully stable for my needs. I do completely see why someone would need to have their system 12hrs + prime Stable, especially if their folding 24/7.
Does 30 minutes of priming at 8x525 fsb count? :D Sorry, couldn't help it. I could show you more, but you don't deserve it. How about you show me a quad at 8x512 32M? That shouldn't be too difficult? :p:
http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/...8ecb7bed43.jpg
Viper he did say it 500 linx loops :rofl:, or maybe 1,5 month prime blend ? that should be enough for him i think
And we dont think that you where posting stability we think you were just enjoying ya rig as we like to do...sad that his soooo limited
Cheers :up:
Sergio
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Hehe, I love my Asus board!! Haha. Who is this guy? I was going to say the same thing, 19 posts and his way is the only way its to be done? And were did anyone say we are posting SuperPI times to show/prove stability? I sure as hell wasn't. I was only going for speed and faster times.
I started with a P5E3 Premium x48 with my Q9450 then switched over to a Q9650 and P5Q3 Deluxe P45 and saw huge improvements. No, they weren't what you Gigabyte guys are getting but P45 showed huge improvements over x48 with my Quad testing. I don't bench my Q9650 but still have it running 24/7 4.2Ghz in my media center server. I could play any game I wanted and encode dvds all day long so it was 100% stable for me, that's all that mattered.
Here are some shots that I have from my Q9650 / P45 testing.
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...0Mhz_20min.jpg
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...i_1M_10498.jpg
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s..._10m52657s.jpg
http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/s...4_PhysXoff.jpg
Thanks Nub.
Ladies and gents, I present to you, 500 loops of linpack! Easy as pie; took less than a minute :rolleyes:
:eek: :ROTF:
http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/...2d256f65bb.jpg
IT'S OVER 9000!!!!1!1!!!!!1!
:ROTF:
10000 PASSES BABY!
http://ense7en.com/pics/LinX%20GFlop...sting/9000.jpg
Use all memory when you use LinX.
Here you go. Like I said... SuperPI is easy, and by no means a measure of stability.
8x520
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...0mhz-8x520.jpg
9x500
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...0mhz-9x500.jpg
Working on that 560 now, it's a bit harder to catch a SuperPI at that fsb.
8.5x500
downloaded the new superpi.
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...mhz-85x500.jpg
At least I'm honest about what's stable and what's not.
Who has been claiming SPI 1M to be a measure of stability?