[Project] :::Flow::: (SNiiPE's V2110) - Resurrected

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Originally Posted by skinnee

Let me clarify my statement from above

I'll be a bit more specific I guess...

It has nothing to do with the space...there is blue electrical tape in the before lan party image.

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Originally Posted by DragoonXX

there is also a little bit of blue electrical tape in the wiring harness to the left right above some molexes- looks like its from splice work

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Guys, I am not about to play with fire in my computer, the electrical tape @ the 8-pin stays no matter what, maybe I'll change it to black

as far as the molex electrical tape, that is covered now by the black rubber in there, I ordered the right stuff to fix it in my order last night

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Originally Posted by Laine

Hey Snipe, I've got a few ideas on the backside giving it a kind of clean mac-feeling, of course with it's own twist.

I'll shoot you a PM with some sketches if you're interested.
Cheers.

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I would love to hear your ideas Laine :)

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Originally Posted by shazza

Ian, just to add a few comments:

You've done a marvelous job with this build. You obviously spent hours doing the design, and then made sure it was well-executed. The case is stunning - a big improvement on it's rather mundane/office-appropriate look before (that's not a dig on the case - I like that look for some applications). You won the modding competition; you won the new CPU; you've received many well-deserved kudos, and you've progressed your reputation which will no doubt lead to more sponsored builds. That would be enough for most people. BUT, hats off to you for wanting to make it perfect.

I just reviewed the MDPC website for a quick check. I didn't look at all the systems, but you'll notice that not all have photos of the back of the motherboard area (not saying they aren't well done, just maybe there were no pics or they weren't exciting enough to show). But, when you do see one with this part showing - it's hard not to go "WOW." I can't speak for Nils and his secret committee, but I'd guess this absolutely perfect/no compromise trend in ALL areas of the case is one we'll continue to see evolve. In fact, I don't recall seeing the back of the motherboard on PermaFrost either, so not sure if it received the same attention to detail as the rest of the system. What made PermaFrost standout was the white interior, the colors, the way you laid out the interior, and the wonderful photography. Now that others have showcased the back of the case, that pushes the bar for everyone else - just as you have raised it when it comes to case design, and now innovative 24-pin wire management.

Soooo ... I guess it really is up to you as to where you want to go with the build. I don't think MDPC should necessarily be everyone's goal (I'm guessing it is one of yours). Fit for purpose is up to the individual. But, in one of your earlier comments, you said it would be over $12K if you were building this for a client. What do you think the client would expect for that amount of money? ;) Most importantly, it's what satisfies you, not any of us.

You've told us you had time pressures with the last of the build. Hopefully you have some time now to work on it some more, if you so choose. Of course, it's not as much fun redoing things as it is designing and creating something new. Good Luck, and I hope you're having fun in the process!

(apologies for going a bit philosophical here; some of the responses to your question just got me pondering . . .)

To answer your specific question on how it looks now -- much better in the after pic. I see you changed out the white molex and 8-pin connector - that helps a lot. The thing that grabs my eye now are the unsleeved portions of the fan wires.

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Thankyou for your comment sharon - I have shown the backside of permafrost before, it was similar to this one - but cleaner because I had less wires overall.

I will deal with the fan wires, i cannot sleeve them as I do not have any MDPC sleeve but I will find a way




one thing I must make clear here guys - these backside pictures are not and never will be on MDPC - I do not plan of having these put up on the site I am fixing the wires to challenge myself. My reasoning is this:

You want to know what the right side of the case looks like? it has a side panel on it - you want to know how many of these wiring fixes I am doing you can see with said side panel on? none

One thing I do not get: the people telling me the build is no good because I showed you the wires on the back panel. I only post these pictures because I have no illusions and I am not a coward in regards to my shortcomings. That has no bearing on the build as a whole because you know what - like I said above you cant see the wires when the case is assembled, none of them at all. Also I must reinforce the above point that the fixes I am doing are for me, not for show, I am only doing it because it is not easy.

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

One thing I do not get: the people telling me the build is no good because I showed you the wires on the back panel. I only post these pictures because I have no illusions and I am not a coward in regards to my shortcomings. That has no bearing on the build as a whole because you know what - like I said above you cant see the wires when the case is assembled, none of them at all. Also I must reinforce the above point that the fixes I am doing are for me, not for show, I am only doing it because it is not easy.

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Now hang on just a minute. The only reason people are making these comments is because you asked us to. If you hadn't requested us to honestly critique your build, i for one wouldn't have made a single negative comment, because i know i couldn't do anything like it.

As everyone has already said, we reckon it's bloody fantastic and most of us have nowhere near as much talent.

why is there so much pressure on Ian & this build? he's already shown us so many new things, who really cares what the wires in the back look like? are you people just trying to drive the kid nuts? what is the point of that wiring "challenge" as the critics are putting it? "We want to see how much wiring you can do before you consider taking a entire bottle of tylenol" ...? FFS, does the computer look s3xy? yes. has there been innovative wiring in this build that is already visible? yes. i'm all for braided wiring... when you can see it- but anything past their just has inane written all over it.

i hope you continue push the envelope ian, but don't push yourself over the edge in the process for something no one will ever see........ and thanks for the great build log so far :up:

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Originally Posted by twwen2

Now hang on just a minute. The only reason people are making these comments is because you asked us to. If you hadn't requested us to honestly critique your build, i for one wouldn't have made a single negative comment, because i know i couldn't do anything like it.

As everyone has already said, we reckon it's bloody fantastic and most of us have nowhere near as much talent.

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I am not talking about wiring critique, read my words carefully and read other posts carefully ;) mostly everyone (including yourself) did exactly what I was expecting and deserved, rip apart the wiring, some ripped apart the build on account of the wiring.


EDIT: cheers Rise, and thank you - I take it you didnt make it to Noreaster?

In other news I just ordered this beautiful Deck Keyboard for my system :) I cant wait to get it!

http://www.deckkeyboards.com/images/ice_105_large.jpg

which operating system(s) does Project Flow boot? XP? Vista? 7? Ubuntu? SuSE? Have you considered a dual or otherwise >single boot arrangement?

So the electrical tape is for safety :O Wouldn't heat shrink probably be better? I'd be afraid the electrical tape would fall off or something, I know how sticky it is (or not sticky).

SNiiPE, I couldn't give a rats arse about the wires on the back side but, if you feel you can make it better back there. . .go for it. :up:

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One thing I do not get: the people telling me the build is no good because I showed you the wires on the back panel. I only post these pictures because I have no illusions and I am not a coward in regards to my shortcomings. That has no bearing on the build as a whole because you know what - like I said above you cant see the wires when the case is assembled, none of them at all. Also I must reinforce the above point that the fixes I am doing are for me, not for show, I am only doing it because it is not easy.

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Hmmmnnn ... not sure if you took offense to my comments. If so, I apologize, because that is not what was intended. I got off on a bit of a tangent because your question and the responses brought up some interesting points. I've been watching with interest as the level of detail in builds has escalated over the last year or two. I thought it appropriate to make my comments in your work log because you are one of the top guys here who is leading the evolution. What you've accomplished here is far beyond what I, and I imagine many others, could hope to do.

Looking forward to seeing the rest of the photos showing the front and overall case view.

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Originally Posted by dreamaxx

So the electrical tape is for safety :O Wouldn't heat shrink probably be better? I'd be afraid the electrical tape would fall off or something, I know how sticky it is (or not sticky).

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heatshrink wont cover all of the metal on the terminal and the last thing I need is a dead CPU or worse a fire.

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Originally Posted by Quixylvre

which operating system(s) does Project Flow boot? XP? Vista? 7? Ubuntu? SuSE? Have you considered a dual or otherwise >single boot arrangement?

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I dont know what OS is going to go on there for final - right now I have win7RC on it

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

SNiiPE, I couldn't give a rats arse about the wires on the back side but, if you feel you can make it better back there. . .go for it. :up:

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Thanks WL :) thats exactly what I intend to do :up:

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Originally Posted by p0Pe

i say F#ck the backside. if you want to do more about it then do it:D but i love the thing the way it is:) hell.. my back looks quite similar:D

one thing i noticed though, is the 2 different pump tops:/

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the acrylic pump top is a product of assembling the loop on the counter of the kitchen on tuesday (4 days from LAN) and finding the loop is too restrictive to give a good waterfall effect in the res - so Hanlk and James of PPCs kindly and quickly overnighted me a second pump and top, unfortunately the acrylic on was the only in stock at the time.

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Originally Posted by shazza

Hmmmnnn ... not sure if you took offense to my comments. If so, I apologize, because that is not what was intended. I got off on a bit of a tangent because your question and the responses brought up some interesting points. I've been watching with interest as the level of detail in builds has escalated over the last year or two. I thought it appropriate to make my comments in your work log because you are one of the top guys here who is leading the evolution. What you've accomplished here is far beyond what I, and I imagine many others, could hope to do.

Looking forward to seeing the rest of the photos showing the front and overall case view.

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hey Sharon, I was not even talking about your post- your comments were thoughtful and about the value thing, true. I wont name names but if you read the posts it is clear who I am talking to.

Your waterblock setup on the videocards still confuses me! :shrug:

But I love your build :cool:

My personal suggestion would be dual-booting Win7 64-bit and the 64-bit version of OpenSuSE v11.1, using KDE3 as the desktop environment on the latter. SuSE is VERY user-friendly and it'd give you a chance to experiment with Linux. The proprietary ATI driver available for Linux even supports dual-GPU CrossFire.

I can see from both sides on this issue.

It's true that no one will see the wiring as long as the side panel's on. And I very much like the "seat cushion" analogy in that no one cares what the foam inside looks like as long as it's layered leather on top of it.

On the other hand..

I also understand the critique about the wiring and what Nils was saying before. What Charles has done w/ his recent build has raised the bar yet again. He's made wiring not an afterthought or a "have to" but a focal point of a build that factors into the overall impression it gives to its viewers. Three-four years ago, hardly anyone watercooled. Two years ago, some watercooled and cosmetics were an afterthought--it was all about performance. A year ago, cosmetics continue to progress and it's all about how "tidy" a build is.. about "hiding" the bad parts (the wiring.) Today, with popularity rising in the PC modding market and sites like MDPCs coming along, cosmetics are just as if not MORE important than performance.

And the evolution continues. So when someone like Charles comes along and wires the back of a case perfectly, rising above and beyond the prior standard which was simply "hiding" it and now makes it even pleasant to look at, that's now the new standard going forward. Not everyone will achieve it, and that's what makes it special. Not making it a new standard, in a way, detracts from the work that Charles was able to accomplish.

I really like the concept of MDPC and, I'll be honest, I hope it's around for a long time and hope to have a build on there one day. I think it's helping to raise the bar of expectations and push PC-modding to places it's never been before both in popularity and quality of work. And when Nils posts, I usually agree with his mindset of the site's mission and purpose.

With all that said, Sniipe, as I've already said on a few occasions, I think you did a hell of a job on that computer, and it's still one of the most impressive builds I've ever seen.

weld the backside panel onto the case... then its not a problem :)

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

One thing I do not get: the people telling me the build is no good because I showed you the wires on the back panel. I only post these pictures because I have no illusions and I am not a coward in regards to my shortcomings. That has no bearing on the build as a whole because you know what - like I said above you cant see the wires when the case is assembled, none of them at all. Also I must reinforce the above point that the fixes I am doing are for me, not for show, I am only doing it because it is not easy.

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I hope you weren't referring to my comment as well...:confused:...but if you are then I do apologize, I absolutely did not mean to give a negative impression or say the build is "no good." Merely my humble opinion from putting myself in your shoes. No way. I do think it looks fantastic. :up:

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Originally Posted by Kibbler

I hope you weren't referring to my comment as well...:confused:...but if you are then I do apologize, I absolutely did not mean to give a negative impression or say the build is "no good." Merely my humble opinion from putting myself in your shoes. No way. I do think it looks fantastic. :up:

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certainly not you either kibbler ;) - its very clear who I am talking about trust me.

snipe, I completely understand the elec tape on the backside of the mobo, i wasnt critiquing that, sorry if it did come across that way.
I understand the whole "fun" of dealing with enermax PSUs.
front side is incredible, and yes...that is where it matters most, and I also know about how much "fun" a narrow backside of the mobo tray is...my case has (if im lucky) 9mm to work with, and even then I'm having to cut sections out to work with it (it was a case that went through QA in 06 and is actually a fairly old design case with ZERO cable management to begin with)
I'm willing to guess that in hindsight you're kinda wishing you didn't go with that enermax PSU

I would just like to say that I think you have done a heck of a job with the vision and the follow through. It simply looks radiant and clean. Very beautiful build. :up:

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Originally Posted by DragoonXX

snipe, I completely understand the elec tape on the backside of the mobo, i wasnt critiquing that, sorry if it did come across that way.
I understand the whole "fun" of dealing with enermax PSUs.
front side is incredible, and yes...that is where it matters most, and I also know about how much "fun" a narrow backside of the mobo tray is...my case has (if im lucky) 9mm to work with, and even then I'm having to cut sections out to work with it (it was a case that went through QA in 06 and is actually a fairly old design case with ZERO cable management to begin with)
I'm willing to guess that in hindsight you're kinda wishing you didn't go with that enermax PSU

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I seriously considered dropping it completely as soon as I took the big stock sleeve off and saw those splitters... but for me it is a fine like between performance and aesthetics - the efficiency and line stability of the rev85+ is head and shoulders above the ST1000 I would have replaced it with and so I stuck with it. I have a fix for the 24-pin by manually modularizing it, you will see it later this week if my package comes in on time.

Edit: Cheers Sadasius :toast:

So, what is the story on that FC-3 panel? I have a lot of stuff to do, as I am about to be on my way down to college, but despite that I love that cover, and I am awaiting that contest eagerly :D

I will be setting up the contest soon, probably tonight or tomorrow - get your watercooling parts ready people!

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

I will be setting up the contest soon, probably tonight or tomorrow - get your watercooling parts ready people!

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Get the watercooling parts ready by tonight?

Darnit I'm not ready :doh:

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

I will be setting up the contest soon, probably tonight or tomorrow - get your watercooling parts ready people!

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Contest?!? :confused:

overall snip i think it looks great :up: who cares bought the back u never see it . . .

and contest ?????