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12-06-2008, 07:38 AM
MadDias

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

Is it crashing after the CPU is Loaded and HOT?..

I dont know what your temp is ?

Low volts can crash after using prime ,, as heat builds up CPU will need more volts to keep stable..

Also TOO much Volts it will CRASH SOONER.

If your temps are good try raising the NB only..If it crashes right away its a good indication that you may not be running enuff volts or are too hot.

Also Use the 602bios the 504 crashes alot ,especially with ACC,, trust me.

it crashes during prime. so it´s 100%loaded and after 20mins i think it also has it´s max temp.
u can see my temp in the coretemp log that i added in my post.
(core)"current temp","low temp","high temp", "load", frequenzy
u can also see the thermal throttle kicking in, this time even at 46°C.
i´m on the 0602 bios.
i really hope they enable adjustments for temp readings in the next bios. i got that on my old dfi board. i can´t work with a board that´s reading +20°C compared to coretemp and therefore cripples my cpu because it thinks it´s too hot, even when i set the temp reading to "ignore".
12-06-2008, 10:57 AM
Chicken Patty

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

:D

XP64bit could be that factor..

I also am using 1.67v CPU and 1.5vnb ATM for those screens..my NB is only @2200mhz ..Although ive run it @ 2675mhz @ 3.5:D

Hmm maybe you can try Manual Oc in Bios instead of AOD?

I can give you plenty of settings to try that will work decent.. i just need to Know What the Current Load and idle is @ your Current CPU/Nb volts..

Your using water and ill keep it conservative for ya

Note: keep Ram @ 1066 and find multi that works for highest CPU clock before raising the NBmulti.. Example try 200x15 ,, 16 or 17 until it works. CPU would be 3.3-3.4ghz Should be 1.55v -1.6volts or less with no ACC and No CPU tweak with stock NB @ 1.35v and VDD @ 2.8v

If you try 1.6 or higher disable CPU Voltage monitoring and check temps and slowly Raise CPU only, Once it dosnt boot it will probally be 3.4 or more.If you need to view volts in Bios you still can by selecting or highlighting disable option it will show current volts in Power.

Your CPU i believe can do 3.46ghz with 203 x 17 @ 1.6v- 1.65v and Stock NB

Send me some Screens.:yepp:

I dont use AOD anymore, I learned that already :)

I'm going to go in the BIOS now and raise the multi a bit. Set the voltages accordingly to how you stated and, i'll post back, i'll take some pics if my cell phone can capture something worth taking, as I dont have a cam.
12-06-2008, 11:54 AM
Chicken Patty

here you go got voltage, cell phone pic, so not great. Check it out, I am posting right now with those settings, ACC +4, I tried disabled and it didn't boot, maybe +2 will do, but I didn't try it.

any suggestions???

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1...1446hw6.th.jpg
12-06-2008, 12:02 PM
Chicken Patty

^^^and it crashed shortly after :(
12-06-2008, 12:07 PM
demonkevy666

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Originally Posted by Chicken Patty

^^^and it crashed shortly after :(

check coretemp the volts mine really be 1.500 even the bios read 1.60 and a few other but I think coretemp is most accurate.
12-06-2008, 12:43 PM
Chicken Patty

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

check coretemp the volts mine really be 1.500 even the bios read 1.60 and a few other but I think coretemp is most accurate.

core temp will only read up to 1.55v.

Anything over it just displays 1.5v for me. But CPUz was reporting 1.632v
12-06-2008, 05:13 PM
demonkevy666

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Originally Posted by Chicken Patty

core temp will only read up to 1.55v.

Anything over it just displays 1.5v for me. But CPUz was reporting 1.632v

oh your right :/ damn this chip.

I changed my ram timing to 6-6-6-24 (31) now sitting with memory at 1,100mhz 1.96 volts gona try 1.94.

My temps go up even with the slightest ram volts lol 0.02 and it go's starts from 34C going up 1C for every 0.04 :/

anyways my cpu score went up, I get gains on Nb mhz too. but can't go past 2400mhz with this chip.
12-07-2008, 03:14 AM
faior

Some more testing with my platform, 3.1GHz and 1.4Vcore yes, 1066MHz 5-5-5-15-2T unganged and NB2400MHz@1.1V, HT2000MHz @defaultV seems to be 24/7 stable for now. ACC at 2%, I dont even know does this ACC work? I get the same results without it .. :/

Still restarts when I try to clock more .. any ideas? 3dmark06cpu 4600 points and wprime 12.4sec, superpi 24.5s

Im probably buying a new PSU next week to see if it helps
12-07-2008, 10:11 AM
Chicken Patty

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Originally Posted by faior

Some more testing with my platform, 3.1GHz and 1.4Vcore yes, 1066MHz 5-5-5-15-2T unganged and NB2400MHz@1.1V, HT2000MHz @defaultV seems to be 24/7 stable for now. ACC at 2%, I dont even know does this ACC work? I get the same results without it .. :/

Still restarts when I try to clock more .. any ideas? 3dmark06cpu 4600 points and wprime 12.4sec, superpi 24.5s

Im probably buying a new PSU next week to see if it helps

it's been said before, nobody really knows what this freaking acc does. But when you go for a high clock and you can't boot, enabling usually does the trick, it does help out, but maybe not at 3.1 GHz. I think you need more vcore bro, just watch your temps
12-07-2008, 10:34 AM
faior

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Originally Posted by Chicken Patty

I think you need more vcore bro, just watch your temps

Yeah, kinky stuff I see. Hehe, I think I need a new cooler! :D

Thanks still, I know my posts are kinda useless, but have to give a try even though!
12-07-2008, 10:46 AM
Chicken Patty

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Originally Posted by faior

Yeah, kinky stuff I see. Hehe, I think I need a new cooler! :D

Thanks still, I know my posts are kinda useless, but have to give a try even though!

you posts are very very helpful, if it wasnt for everybodies posts, then we would not learn as much. Once you get your temps down, you can give more vcore and go higher. But ofr now I suggest keep it where you are and enjoy your rig :up:
12-08-2008, 01:42 PM
gOtVoltage

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Originally Posted by Chicken Patty

you posts are very very helpful, if it wasnt for everybodies posts, then we would not learn as much. Once you get your temps down, you can give more vcore and go higher. But ofr now I suggest keep it where you are and enjoy your rig :up:

Yead i vouce for that,, Slowly tweaking things will get ya the results and Phenom Tweaking is by far not Easy.

I just installed Visat32bit and lost 120mhz on my Max Oc:yepp: The Os plays a big role even when your Bios is set Optimal for the oold Os..So now im trying to get back to 3.52ghz:ROTFvista why me :rofl:
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12-08-2008, 01:50 PM
demonkevy666

Quote:

Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

Yead i vouce for that,, Slowly tweaking things will get ya the results and Phenom Tweaking is by far not Easy.

I just installed Visat32bit and lost 120mhz on my Max Oc:yepp: The Os plays a big role even when your Bios is set Optimal for the oold Os..So now im trying to get back to 3.52ghz:ROTFvista why me :rofl:
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I want to know your scores are at 3.0ghz?

3damrk06...
12-08-2008, 02:06 PM
Ben_Brown

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

Yead i vouce for that,, Slowly tweaking things will get ya the results and Phenom Tweaking is by far not Easy.

I just installed Visat32bit and lost 120mhz on my Max Oc:yepp: The Os plays a big role even when your Bios is set Optimal for the oold Os..So now im trying to get back to 3.52ghz:ROTFvista why me :rofl:
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Well knowing this makes me feel better. I thought you were already using Vista and I could not figure out why I was having such a hard time. This may explain it. Since I just finished installing water cooling I have tried getting 3.5GHz bench stable and have yet to do it. I got close but I had to use 1.6250 vcore and even though my temps were fine I was still a little weary.

What is the max vcore you have put through your chip? I may end up going to 1.65 tonight, but I do not really want to fry my chip even if the temps are ok.
12-08-2008, 03:20 PM
justapost

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Originally Posted by faior

Some more testing with my platform, 3.1GHz and 1.4Vcore yes, 1066MHz 5-5-5-15-2T unganged and NB2400MHz@1.1V, HT2000MHz @defaultV seems to be 24/7 stable for now. ACC at 2%, I dont even know does this ACC work? I get the same results without it .. :/

Still restarts when I try to clock more .. any ideas? 3dmark06cpu 4600 points and wprime 12.4sec, superpi 24.5s

Im probably buying a new PSU next week to see if it helps

NB 2.4GHz@1.1V :confused: Typo?
I'd try ACC 0+ and 2+ first see if you can go lower with the voltage. My chip does not work without ACC above ~3.15GHz. I need ~1.45V and ACC 0+ or 2+ for 3.2GHz. Above 3.2GHz 0+ is no longer stable here but 2+ is. But this can vary between chips. I tested low voltage with ACC at stock (2.6GHz). With ACC -2 I found 1.25V but with 0+ it was 1.1825V. So 0+ is best for me from ~2.6GHz-3.1GHz and 2+ for 3.2-3.4GHz, above I used 4+ but that is for benching only.
To find the best ACC value find the lowest stable voltage with ACC off and then test a few ACC values with a lower voltage. Use the one with the lowest requirement. I'd use a lower NB multi and a higher NB voltage to sort out instabilities from that side while you test ACC.
12-08-2008, 04:00 PM
faior

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Originally Posted by justapost

NB 2.4GHz@1.1V :confused: Typo?
I'd try ACC 0+ and 2+ first see if you can go lower with the voltage. My chip does not work without ACC above ~3.15GHz. I need ~1.45V and ACC 0+ or 2+ for 3.2GHz. Above 3.2GHz 0+ is no longer stable here but 2+ is. But this can vary between chips. I tested low voltage with ACC at stock (2.6GHz). With ACC -2 I found 1.25V but with 0+ it was 1.1825V. So 0+ is best for me from ~2.6GHz-3.1GHz and 2+ for 3.2-3.4GHz, above I used 4+ but that is for benching only.
To find the best ACC value find the lowest stable voltage with ACC off and then test a few ACC values with a lower voltage. Use the one with the lowest requirement. I'd use a lower NB multi and a higher NB voltage to sort out instabilities from that side while you test ACC.

Thanks for advice! And yes it is running right now 2400MHz and 1.1V . default voltage it is? Stable at idle, stable at load, stable in 3D :)

I dont know what makes my comp to restart.. for example, I raise the HTT by 1 or 2MHz and I get about 3120MHz or so, I run torture test or 3D and BAM! It restarts.. it doesnt matter what vcore I use or what ACC setting is used.. And at 3.1GHz its 24/7 stable. Weirdo.. or its just the wall? And I think I get the same restart-effect if I OC the memory even a bit too. :/

And btw I flashed the older 0403 bios in windows .. but the board didnt even boot with these same settings as with the new bios.. black screen and had to reset the cmos by jumper.
12-08-2008, 04:06 PM
gOtVoltage

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Originally Posted by Ben_Brown

Well knowing this makes me feel better. I thought you were already using Vista and I could not figure out why I was having such a hard time. This may explain it. Since I just finished installing water cooling I have tried getting 3.5GHz bench stable and have yet to do it. I got close but I had to use 1.6250 vcore and even though my temps were fine I was still a little weary.

What is the max vcore you have put through your chip? I may end up going to 1.65 tonight, but I do not really want to fry my chip even if the temps are ok.

I spoke too soon.. I just cant run my NB as high as i did in XP32bit yet:ROTF:

Wierd Vista is just Wierd.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...ta32bitSp1.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...ta32bitSp1.jpg

Im still seeing if this is stable ,, At least my clocks are somewhat back up. I honestly didnt think it would run 3.52mhz.

FAIOR,,

Raise your NB volts to 1.45v keep ACC+2 and keep CPUv the same ..Try some benches and let me know ..

Also make shure your HT is @2000mhz(2.0) NOT(2.4)ht..it has to be 2.0 if you raised your NB to 2400.

CPU to NB LINK SPEED(htspeed) should ALWAYS be 2000mhz regardless of how how the NB is clocked.

So for example,,

I FSB/HT @220 x 14.5 =3190mhz CPU

You HT needs to be 2000,, 220x9HT = 1980HT

NB @ 220 x 10 = 2210mhz you will use a 9x for HT although the NB is 10x
NB @ 220 x 11 = 2420mhz you will use a 9x for HT although the NB is 11x

Its critical tha tthe HT remains @ 2000 when raising the NB..If you set the HT to 2.4ht while running 2400nb you will cause a freqency crash as the CPU loads up.. Eventually you will get a instant reboot @ any time..

So when you are running 2400nb make shure the Ht is 2000 NOT 2400 like the NB:up:

My Screens above show exactly what im talking about..
look and you will see my NB is 2200mhz and my HT is 1980mhz.. if i raise the HT to match NB it will crash after a while from freqency loading on the CPU from the HT link not being 2000mhz while comunicating to the NB.

Good luck and keep us posted ..

P.s.
Although the NB is @ 1.1v on your system ,, its why it crashes . The NB needs 1.3v minimum to work properly stock.. Even if you can run lower volts , your hurting the NB's and sytem stability.
12-08-2008, 04:09 PM
justapost

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Originally Posted by faior

Thanks for advice! And yes it is running right now 2400MHz and 1.1V . default voltage it is? Stable at idle, stable at load, stable in 3D :)

You are sure that is NB VID and not the external NB voltage part? I do not get 2.4GHz NB stable here prime95 always fails even with 1.55V but it might take hours. If your NB VID is your CPU VID 1.4V might be abit too low.
Have you posted your setup already here? Do you use 2x4pin 12V rails or one? If one can be you exceed you'r psu's limit.

@gotvoltage: He He it's a mess with 2GB. I tend to run 3DMark06 while running prime95 here every now and then with winxp 32bit 3dmark06 took round 10 minutes to finish. Under Vista 64Bit SP1 it took ~2hrs and the system did barely respond. Still takes longer with 4GB but at least responds while running prime95.
12-08-2008, 04:13 PM
faior

Quote:

Originally Posted by justapost

You are sure that is NB VID and not the external NB voltage part? I do not get 2.4GHz NB stable here prime95 always fails even with 1.55V but it might take hours. If your NB VID is your CPU VID 1.4V might be abit too low.
Have you posted your setup already here? Do you use 2x4pin 12V rails or one? If one can be you exceed you'r psu's limit.

Hmm, now you say it, the NB vid is also default 1.3V, didnt know it was the real NB-voltage setting. "NB-voltage" is default too which is the 1.1V.

I am currently pretty sure too that my PSU is limiting, I have only 1x4pin attached, I did built the 8-pin my self, but havent tried it yet..The restart-effect clearly could be something to do with power. 12V line is 12.03V so no problem there thought.. :S

Setup is somewhere yes.. not far away.
12-08-2008, 04:26 PM
justapost

Quote:

Originally Posted by faior

Hmm, now you say it, the NB vid is also default 1.3V, didnt know it was the real NB-voltage setting. "NB-voltage" is default too which is the 1.1V.

I am currently pretty sure too that my PSU is limiting, I have only 1x4pin attached, I did built the 8-pin my self, but havent tried it yet..The restart-effect clearly could be something to do with power. 12V line is 12.03V so no problem there thought.. :S

Setup is somewhere yes.. not far away.

Saw it's only 16A on that rail with an 18A single rail max voltage I could apply was round 1.475V(~3.25GHz).
Chip worked stable here up to 85°C max, above the system froze and I could fix that with better cooling.
With 1.3V my NB runs 2.2GHz stable (12hrs prime95 tested).
During my testings I also found that increasing the ref HT sometimes results in up to +0.1V higher voltage requirements for the cpu.
12-08-2008, 04:29 PM
gOtVoltage

Quote:

Originally Posted by faior

Hmm, now you say it, the NB vid is also default 1.3V, didnt know it was the real NB-voltage setting. "NB-voltage" is default too which is the 1.1V.

I am currently pretty sure too that my PSU is limiting, I have only 1x4pin attached, I did built the 8-pin my self, but havent tried it yet..The restart-effect clearly could be something to do with power. 12V line is 12.03V so no problem there thought.. :S

Setup is somewhere yes.. not far away.

You need to set NB on CPU to 1.3volts or Higher for proper function of CPU. @ 1.15v even @ stock speed will eventualy cause any Phenom to crash regardless of CPUclocks.

1.3v for NB is how your ram is kept stable too..the NB is your IMC. So if you have lower than stock volts you can cause your ram to Reboot your Pc over time. even if you are using 1.8v Jdec seting for basic 800mhz ram.
12-08-2008, 04:51 PM
merkk1

I'am sorry guys but i can not help my self HaHaHaHeHeHeHaHa !!!!!! :rofl: vista-32 bit is hard to over clock. Any time you guys are ready to move up to the real deal vista-64 bit and see what happens to your overclock . PS. All in fun i just find it funny.
12-08-2008, 05:04 PM
demonkevy666

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Originally Posted by merkk1

I'am sorry guys but i can not help my self HaHaHaHeHeHeHaHa !!!!!! :rofl: vista-32 bit is hard to over clock. Any time you guys are ready to move up to the real deal vista-64 bit and see what happens to your overclock . PS. All in fun i just find it funny.

my chip barely dose 3.0ghz here in it. :/

noticed there all on liquid cooling too, I'm only on Air.
12-08-2008, 05:23 PM
gOtVoltage

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Originally Posted by merkk1

I'am sorry guys but i can not help my self HaHaHaHeHeHeHaHa !!!!!! :rofl: vista-32 bit is hard to over clock. Any time you guys are ready to move up to the real deal vista-64 bit and see what happens to your overclock . PS. All in fun i just find it funny.

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

my chip barely dose 3.0ghz here in it. :/

noticed there all on liquid cooling too, I'm only on Air.

Hahha i knw what you mean.. My other Phenon runs 64bitVista and clocks like crap..

I just decided to see if Vista32bit could clock as High As Xp32bitSp3..

I finally was able to get 3.52ghz with Both Oses .. Vista is more demanding and to achieve the same 3.52ghz as XP32 i had to lower the NB to use the Same CPUclocks and Ram speed and Divider.

I dont even care for DX10 seing that DX9 is fine enuff for me anyway.. Only reason i stuck with XP32 for so long ..It does what i need.

As for cooling ,, Makes Overclocking night and day to have good water setup or High end Air.

(Stock Heatsink i maxed @ 3.3ghz 2400nb..)
Was cooking Hot when i tried that with 140watt 9950:D
12-08-2008, 06:02 PM
merkk1

On DX10 i my self like playing crysis using DX10 and 64 bit i think it make the best looking crysis . Grats on been able to hit the number you wanted on your overclock as well .

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