here you go :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
about the price , m.tec 1gig about $50 cheaper than SP :rolleyes:
i think you can get it in US more cheaper..
hmmm the hard part is : what should i do with my SP then? :hehe:
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here you go :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
about the price , m.tec 1gig about $50 cheaper than SP :rolleyes:
i think you can get it in US more cheaper..
hmmm the hard part is : what should i do with my SP then? :hehe:
can someone please tell me where I can buy Mtec.
i think its not important which one you should get (m tec or twinmos relabeled chip), since they are both "value" line from twinmos.. the important think imo is week of production.. but again it may vary alot (but at least they (512x2)can do 250 2-2-2-x 1T with cheap price)
if you can hit >250, i think it would be a bonus from twinmos :p:
newegg has the speed premiums back in stock, 73 in stock right now. About time they ordered a bunch
just when demand might be slowing down.
Problem in the states is a fair amount of the value line is the sheep stuff (baa-a-a-a-a-a-a-d), not the AA4T :(
Egg has been ordering that much, that were just going really fast ;)
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Originally Posted by setyotomo
ooh ok,I thought you said Mtec was cheaper then UTT.
on another note,who here uses A64 memtweaker? by goddhor,I'd like to know if the 183 ram option is legit or 3MHZ too high...thanks :)
hmm.. any ideas the kind of speed u could hit with only 3.1 volts? haerd a few ppl saying there may be probs with the stability of the ultra-d DFI boards when u switch over to the 4v max ram volts.. wondering what i might hit if i stuck to the 3.1v max :/
Wo0t! Fixed my 3.3V issue and now I'm flyin at 260 2-2-2-8 prime/memtest stable @3.45
But I'm only gettin 4000 bandwidth my BH5s would of killed this score...I must be doing something wrong :(
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by setyotomo
Still waiting for my PC3500 Speed Premium, picked them up at komplett for $155
100308282 2,00 STK 390,00 780,00
TwinMOS PC3500 DDR-DIMM 512MB BH-5
:D :banana:
jolle where ???
I think he meansQuote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
this place.
And what do you think of these?
More good UTT or really more BH5 like overclockers.de says?
http://img8.exs.cx/img8/7060/maybebh55we.gif
probably just made with the windbond bh-5 die..
I don't get it
1*512 works flawlessly 265 at 3.6v
2*512 errors memtest #5 why ???
weird errors at 0.0MB/0.1MB/0.3MB ???
that means mem controllerQuote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
damn it :(
so much about CBBHD... :(
So time to sell them ???? I really want some 1:1 300+ capable ram with 2*512.
The problem isn't the RAM, it's the cpu memory controller. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
maybe should raise vcore a little for 265*9 i had around 1.3-1.325...maybe bump to 1.4v ?
can't be memory controller cause before TWINMOS i had KHX3200/256*2 BH-5 which i ran them ok 270 at 3.7v!
Maybe it can't handle the 1Gb.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
I had the same type errors in my NF7-S, 0.1, 0.3, 0.4, etc when I'd do dual channel above 235 fsb. It can do single channel up to about 250, so that is the on board memory controller then? Any way to beef it up? Chipset and memory voltage seems to make no difference. :(
@ dutchman.pt , if they say PN code ends 1A4T... then it's BH-5 UTT. :)
@ TEDY , venice! ;)
@ cartmanea , how much vdimm are u giving them on DC and with what timmings?
enok just bought damn CBBHD...costed me 190$ :(
:( u deserved that tictac's slap smilie!!
Never noticed you used such low Vcore Tedy :am: Would never suggest higher than necessary, but you could safely try 1.6V (have a CBBHD 0450TPCW in the test bench that runs 24/7 and gets severely abused that I run 1.6V on, no prob)Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
Got some AA4T Twinmos SPs myself, but i'm experiencing cold boot problems. Can't POST @ 240 2-2-2-5 3.2v! If I set ram to 200Mhz then let it power up, the next reboot i could now POST and even memtest stable for 12 hours @ 240 2-2-2-5 3.2vdimm! Could this be a BIOS issue?
Running...
3200+ CBBID0501
DFI NF4 SLI-D
2x512MB AA4Ts 05064
what do you mean by that, if its bh-5 die, its BH-5.. they wouldnt say it was BH-5 unless its just as the old ones :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by xxORBxx
Are any of your RAM timings set to Auto?? Have you looked at your supply rails with a meter?Quote:
Originally Posted by whizkid
Please post an A64Tweaker screenshot.Quote:
Originally Posted by whizkid
Also, what is your LDT multiplier set to? Set it to 4x...
Managed to fix this when i flashed the 310 Bios from DFI =) Thanks!
Nice.Very nice#s.Total crap for me at any voltage+aa4t.Geil pc 3500 beat it hands down at any voltage.Either newegg sent me bad cips ,or u guys are fulla s^^t.period
Whoa man, that's it. Blame it on us because you can't get your RAM to run at what you expected. That's the way to go. :thumbsup: :rolleyes: :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by chester
I honestly hope that you post more crap like that in the future. At least that would shorten the lifespan of your account here. :D
Otherwise, you could try it the way it's meant to be, edit out what you posted above, give us some system specs and perhaps we can assist you in getting the RAM to perform, in case it's not really bad/damaged.
Anyway, think before you post. This would make it easier for us and for you also. ;)
Send it back, it'll end up in the "refurb" section.... more good ram for US cheap.... seeya.
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Originally Posted by chester
Are you serious?
*edit you´ve got a PM
hi, i'm new here. i've bought in poland 2x 512mb twinmos (non sp) like this, at the label there is aa4t (so should be ch5), but cpu-z shows me 4 last signs: cad(t) - (it mean's they have powerchip die). what to believe ? is it possible that spd is bad programmed ? or i have bad labels on the ram ? sticks do memtest with no probems 8h at 250 1t cl2 2 2 5 2 7 15 @3.6V but ocasionally have blue screen/reset in win xp. have anyone know what's going on with these sticks ?
If they were the CADT chips, it would be very, very unlikely you'd be able to even boot at those memory settings. I'd say they're UTT chips. The BSOD/reset could possibly be caused from many other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsonka
Well I just got a 2x512 kit from Newegg, I did NOT get the SP, just the regular(TMll400/1GB).
They are 05094 TMD7608F8E50D AA4T, but they are NOT on the BP pcb ( as stated by Alonso, AOA=BP and A8A= KG 6633, which is exactly what is printed on my PCB's).
I also just got a shiny new DFi Ultra-D, so as soon as I get a PCI-E VCard ( If I had known the EGG was delivering today I would have gotten 1 on the way home... DOH!! A day early).
I'll let ya'll know how I make out with them,
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Thats what I just got Charlie, codes on my chips in the post above, same on both sticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
m
Ok I have the same Data as my man here, nice info by the way, short simple accurate, but it just doesnt get better then this. These Twinmos TMII400/1GB and any other with the chipset specified above are like a bicep the more u work it the bigger and stronger its gonna get. I have AA4T=CH-5=UTT, when i got them i couldnt get passed 200 FSB SPD Timings, now after burning them in 250 FSB 2-2-2-5 3.3 voltage (no mods). There is a process for this that I will specify shortly and needs some attention and patience.Quote:
Originally Posted by esdee
1. Set memory voltage to 3.3V
2. Set FSB to something high but not too high, e.g. 230 FSB
3. Run memtest86 and loop "test 5" for a few hours
If you get no errors at your this speed, increase FSB, all the way until you start getting errors. When you do, continue to loop "test 5" for hours, the errors will decrease or will be less frequent, soon enough they will magically disappear all together. When this happens, increase the FSB and try again.
4. About the errors... a few is ok, but not a thousands. You want the ram to be forced all the time, and too many errors, the program goes into subroutines to log them instead of jogging the ram. So a "few errors"...10-20-50-100 is ok, not not K's. I liked 10-20 max PER LOOP of the test. The thing is, when errors are found it takes a break to record the tally, so the less errors u get the better.
5. The idea of keeping the error rate low is that the program will take time away from hammering the ram to "tally" the error, and the idea is to hit the ram as hard as possible, so try to target the FSB at the point where errors start but not so high that ALOT of errors occur (as this would take away from the overall effect we are trying to acheive...(beating the ram senseless).
6. For burn in its not required to set it to the highest voltage possible. Instead, and this is confirmed by OCZ, set the Vdimm to 3.2-3.3V and run it in memtest at as high an FSB as it will run without getting more than a few errors on a pass. Now at that FSB point, give it 24-72 HOURS of burnin, keeping the ram cooled with a fan blowing on it. Hopefully the ram will "improve" over time and the errors will reduce/disappear. Try increasing the FSB a couple Mhz every say 4-6 hours, and continue burning.
This info Was supplied by Marcus d that did an outstanding job getting this info.
I will add one more thing, my process was different I used all tests and never got errors on 5, just on 8 and seven, I think it my be different for every one, pay attention to the first pass so that when u see the amount of errors write it down and compare it to the number of errors u got on the other passes, and ull see how the start decreasing.My first pass had 177 errors, second 143, third 90, fourth 10, fifth none :D.So try it and see if it works for u. Ill post pics later so that u can see my results. :toast:
If ur thinking why I havent pushed them more, ive just been plain lazy, i just got World of Warcraft and im hooked, ill try higher and post my results when wow fever dies out
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Lanparty NFII Ultra B
Antec True550w Psu
Amd XP-M 2400+ @ 2500mhz FSB 250x10 1.85v
2x512 TMII400/1GB (AA4T) Bought at new egg a month ago.
Air cooling Thermal Right SLK-947U with Delta 92mm fan, Arctic Silver 5 Thermal compound 38/35 idle 40/37 Worked.
lol, you pretty much copied and pasted uwackme's ram burn in guide from like two years ago...
Choya061:
"177 errors, second 143, third 90, fourth 10, fifth none"
That was a fast =)
Other needs days and nights and you did it on..10 minutes ?
Took about 5 hours of testing
I have a pair of the aa4t chips and can't break the 240 barrier, I've gotten up to 238fsb 3.4V. 2-2-2-8 . Also I had to bring my chipset voltage up from default of 1.6V to 1.8V to hit 238. The chipset heatsink runs very hot even at 1.6V, anyone running the nf3 chipset voltage at 1.9V with the wimpy heatsink? I'm a little hesitant to run 1.9V on it.
I have an 80mm fan blowing on them and a 80mm blowing up towards my chipset. I'm testing at 2-2-8 2- and the rest on auto, I have tried 2-2-10- 7-15(the rest on auto) with no improvement on overall speed.
Seems like my chips are a bit stubborn or I'm overlooking something, any ideas? Also I adjusted the 3.3V pot on my Forton to 3.6V to hit 3.4 on the Vdimm.
did you try 2-2-2-5?
try 3.5v on the ram and burn them in. should get you atleast 250
What Chip hawe a This Memory TwinMos PC3200 1GB Kit (2x512MB) (Winbond UTT)
How is overclock?
Won't boot at 2-2-2-5 3.4V I havn't tried 3.5V but it looks like I might have to. I've been buring in at 231fsb 3.3V 2-2-2-8(the last 20hours)Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
I adjusted my 3.3V pot by watching the bios setting and was told the onboard monitoring is not that accurate, so I want to check it with a tester. I borrowed a Fluke 7-300 tester and I want to see exactly how much voltage I'm getting to the ram.
I have never used one, is it as simple as sticking the red probe into the ram slot to get the Vdimm reading? What about the black probe? Not to worry, I don't plan on using it untill I get a good qualified answer.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toro 45
dont stick the probe in the mem slot. black one has to be grounded preferably to the case and use the red one to check the mosfet closet to your ram. Thats usually where its at. Make sure your voltage meter is set to voltage and not ohms or something. That can cause major problems.
My meter just has on on/off button and says "Automatic Selection,VAC,VDC,OHMS. no individual options.
Now I just need to figure out which mosfet it is, I just saw a picture of my board yesterday and they were discussing this very same procedure. I thought it was on this thread. hmm..
Edit, I think I found it it's black and says Richtec on top of it with 5 silver bars/pins connecting it to the mobo, do I touch one of the bars/pins or on the top black part?
Thanks for the help, I really want to be sure how much volts I'm using before I go to 3.5V on this ram.
any body oc the 2x256 twinmoss 256?
Got a pair of Twinmos Speed Premium 512mb BH5 today.
Buning as we speak.
So far im at 251 2-2-2 3.36v memtest stable. 3.36v is max tho. 3.45 puts out some errors. Need to burn them in some more.
At 3.36v the mosfets on my DFI is 15-20c cooler than with TCCD @ 2.9v .. LOL.
TCCD draws a massive amount current compared to BH5. Diddnt think the difference was that big.
The DFI has a temperature sensor on the vDimm mosfet? Also, are you sure its the new BH-5 or is it just UTT chips?
Nope.. I put a temp probe on the backside of the MOBO. Right behind the mosfets.Quote:
Originally Posted by cartmanea
Im prette sure its BH5. Komplett.no got them yesterday, and acording to Twinmos they are.
Ill prolly grab a set of the BH5's too, hope newegg gets them soon.
Interesting about the TCCD's, running lower voltage but dissipating roughly the same power would equate to higher current, and its the current ... P=I^2R that determines the mosfet temp. So if the design is happy with TCCD's it should be more happy with BH5's instead.
Was curious about how fast 2x 256M of the UTT's would be (though not practical for use, 512M of ram dont cut it) but for benching. Anyone get results for 2x256M UTT... esp on a NForce2 with high Vdimm.
Never heard of mofets getting varmer at lower voltage. Not the case with CPU vcore, and it feeds from the 12v rail.Quote:
Originally Posted by µnrealneo²
My booster gets much warmer @ 3.7v than 3.0v.
EDIT: Did some testing with the 5v setting. 2x512mb Twinmos BH5
mosfets temps
2.88v - 56.6
3.17v - 57c
3.36 - 57.5
To be honest I, expected to se a bigger difference.
Ahh.. switching and linear. Of course. Thanks for pointing that out enzoR :)
Going to test with the TCCD in an hour or so.
but the CPU vcore circuitry are switching. these are linear. the more voltage they have to step down the hotter they get but dont forget that the higher the voltage the more current the ram draws aswell. for the mosfet stepping down 5v to 2.8v will be like hell. if its drawing from the 3.3v it wont be that bad.
what is the difference between 44D and 50D?
Its rated speeds 50D indicates 5ns (1000/5 = 200x2 = 400DDR)Quote:
Originally Posted by anilyy
44B in the other hand is 4,4ns (1000/4,4 = 227x2 = 454/455 DDR)
These chips are tested @ spd 225 mhz (ddr 450) by twinmos, afaik
They are still UTT, which is untested. 4.4ns is just what they are rated at.
i think the UTT means that winbond didn't do any testing. twinmos probably just rates them themselves.
pc3500 premiums i take it? So just to recap, all 3500 1a4t are BH-5s...Quote:
Originally Posted by Formann
I'm going to pick up a pair (PC3500 SpeedPremium's) from the same vendor (Komplett.no) Forman has gotten his sticks from later today. I could post some pictures if anyone is interested.
Meanwhile ... back in the States, no SP 3500 to be had! :dammit: But Newegg has dropped their price on SP 3200 512mb sticks to $55 with $1 shipping! Tempting.
Here's a few shots. I've only got a 2mpix cam, so the detail isn't the best :(
Front side:
http://home.online.no/~jonebh/TwinMo...mium/front.jpg
Back side:
http://home.online.no/~jonebh/TwinMo...emium/back.jpg
Both sticks:
http://home.online.no/~jonebh/TwinMo...t_and_back.jpg
Closeup of one chip:
http://home.online.no/~jonebh/TwinMo...emium/chip.jpg
Sticker:
http://home.online.no/~jonebh/TwinMo...um/sticker.jpg
I thougth I'd let my RAMDog™ check out the sticks as well:
Checking the goods:
http://home.online.no/~jonebh/TwinMo..._the_goods.jpg
Paw of Approval:
http://home.online.no/~jonebh/TwinMo..._high_five.jpg
:D
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Originally Posted by gundamit
Just grabbed 2 more myself. :hehe: I can't believe the way the prices are falling!
BTW. The egg still has like 68 in stock.
What PCB are the new Twinmos BH-5 sticks using?
Jedec i think.
well twinmos has introduced their memory products here lately . So when I heard that some twinmos rams have the BH-5 chips on them .. i paid their sales office a visit to check it out . Unfortunately , upon my inspection it had the M-tec chips on them and the 512 mb cl 2.5 stick were up for an amount equivalent to 50$ :stick: . Are they any good for overclocking ? Coz i heard someone say that the OCZ VX uses this same chip .. lol :D
I'm new to the forum and was reading this thread. I don't see any reply's to this, so I will post what I have with 2x256 sticks. Using these a DFI NF4 Ultra-D, I was able to get to 245, 2-2-2-6@3.3v. More voltage did not get any higher. I now have 2x512 at 255, 2-2-2-6@3.4v. :D These are the old speed premium sticks AA4T with 44D chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by zt_lee
Anyone knows the "record" on 2x512 SP 3200??(something like 280 2-2-2 or so)
My 2x512 Twinmos SP 44D do 270 2-2-2 with ~3.7v, but memtest has more or less 2 errors/pass, always in the same position, but prime95 passes for ours with this config...
The mobo is a NF4 Ultra D, of course... :D :D
WTF! :p: You got the best memory's on our order! :stick: Do you know me?Your memos went into my hands before they do in yours... :D Glad to see you here Lord! :toast:
Juasjuas, glad to see you too... :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by ^don.k's^
I have the best memories of the order?? Could be, but my 3200+ its a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing :banana::banana::banana::banana:... xDDD
I am waiting for Sandiego, FX57, 4200+, etc... One of this will be mine... :D :D
Mines didn't go past 267 without a lot of errors, even at 3,8v , so yours are better :confused: BTW I :banana: you in superpi :D Let's see how will the 0450VPDW goes when it comes to me... :p:
Will you sell your 0448 SPAW?? It performs OK, not??
2770 Mhz are a good result tho, and air-cooled, if you mount a watercooling... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Mine dont passes from 2700, even with 1,95v :D :D
so, anyone can make conclution that between 1A4T(aka bh5) and AA4T(aka ch5), which one is more o'cable? and also between 50D and 44D, which one is better?
@gsan: I'd take 1A4T, BH-die should be better.
Yes, when I see what's that VPDW is capable of, i'll sell it or sell the SPAW, i hope if you buy any1 of them don't go far away than me... :p:
Correos guys would deliver de VPDW this morning at least, Izarmicro sent me on thursday afternoon urgently, but, you know correos... :slap: They are a :banana: guys... :D
BTW you'll get informed how it will go... :p:
And about RL... I know, but i don't wanna change my silence for some extra mhz... :stick:
:toast:
Gsan.... I will take 1A4T as well :)
Penang got stock oledi ? :hehe:
Lowyat got TwinMOS me think..but not sure 1A4T in stock or not... ;)
@^don.k's^: Hope that your 0450 will be around 2.8Ghz... ;) BTW, who said that a watercooling isnt quiet?? :D :D
@the rest: where I can find this Twinmos with BH chips?? (in spain or UE with international shipping) I already have a pair of Twinmos SP w/ AA4T 44D chips, but they dont do more of 270, even with 3.9v...
@Lord__RTKK I had one and it isn't as quiet as my actual cooling :stick:
And you have 1A4T in cheeep.de and overclockers.de, maybe a new order?? :p:
penang has stock for twinmoss 1a4t? :slobber: if got just grab it dont hesitate, man...Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
What are supposed to be BEST settings for 1A4T (bh5?) for ABIT IC7-max3 ?
They can OC a lot lower then UTT: bh5 : max fsb 250 @ 2.8V (if I higher volts i get MORE errors) but UTT can do 245 @ 3.2.
Maybe I should burn them longer, havent really did it yet...
anyone know where i can get CBBHD winny? I killed my best one and is seeking to replace it.
ive check at penang..there are none 1A4T at all..jus AA4TQuote:
Originally Posted by zt_lee
I had some sp before I got my vx, sp would do 260 np then the vx after about 4 days of burning in seemed stuck at 250, put some sp (ch-5) back in runs perfect at 270 and clears memtest at 265 with 3.3v
So what kind of voltage to do 270 on the SP CH-5? Can we get a screenie of 32M SuperPi at 265 3.3v?Quote:
Originally Posted by bradmax57
I'm still holding out for SP PC3500 BH-5. It tough with the prices on the Twinmos SP PC3200 at an all time low.
3.4v at 270, erm um ill try and get a screenie of SuperPi but ive never used it :(Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
You can take CH-5 to 270 but you never tried superpi ?
What other settings do you use ? cpu speed and such.
LOL no honestly I havent, just use sandra and aida, cpu-z and memtest. Just about all my settings are left on auto cpu is 10x multi & 4x ht multiQuote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
ummm just tried it on my work pc nf7s and XP-M 2600 and i get this error?
settings? timings? voltage?
This error means it's not stable enough to do the super pi test :)
Ah, strange this pc has never once failed anything? anyway ill try it at home tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by b|lly
32m @ 260Quote:
Originally Posted by bradmax57
Quote:
Originally Posted by bradmax57
What kind of voltage?
3.3vQuote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
1mb @ 265 @ 3.4v
AA4T or 1A4T ? week and year production? 44D or 50D ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bradmax57
AA4T 44DQuote:
Originally Posted by gsan
good pair u got there, i wish mine would do that speed at 3.4vdimm :(Quote:
Originally Posted by bradmax57