Would it be a good idea to sell my non-reference 5870 and get a new 6870?
I'm not sure if it would be worth it anyways, because the 5870 is obviously faster, and all the money I get from selling the 5870 would all go towards the new 6870.
Would it be a good idea to sell my non-reference 5870 and get a new 6870?
I'm not sure if it would be worth it anyways, because the 5870 is obviously faster, and all the money I get from selling the 5870 would all go towards the new 6870.
i dont think anyone can answer that until we get some proper benchmarks done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark-Energy
i am sure that there will be 6870 vs 5870 vs 5850 vs 460 benchmarks in just a few days.
if you want MAA yes, but performance should be a bit lower sometimes, and a bit upper sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark-Energy
I would say buy a cayman, or keep your 5870 ;)
Dark-Energy: I agree with ripken204....
The 5870 is a very nice card, I'm still stuck with a 4870 so if the price is right I'll definetly be getting a 6850/70 (depending on price).
IMHO, if I already had a 58xx series card though, I'd wait a while and see how things shake out. The 69xx series should be out in November, if you can wait another month it may be worth your while to hold out and see where prices settle....
Hmm, so I should probably wait for Cayman then
I'm just concerned about how much I would get for this 5870, hopefully nothing under $300 CAD, but maybe that's too optimistic....
its new ... architecture modification ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillo-kun
wich includes ... new shader layout ...
adding new blu ray decoding and encoding stuff ..
and probably some other architectural stuff that we dont know yet .. so sure its only a rename .....
Way under 300, that what people are getting now without the new series out even. Make sure you sell on a techforum so people actually know the performance they are getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark-Energy
I would sell now if you can if you want max value, but its still really risky because we don't know how much of an upgrade cayman is going to be and how expensive it is going to be. We have an idea of both but nothing certain.
Performance wise 6850 and 6870 are under 5850 and 5870. I think its better to wait for the Caymans before selling any of the Cypress's.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by halfwaythere
whyQuote:
Originally Posted by Mean Machine
because someone on the internet told soQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark-Energy
Awaiting members benchmarks...
Even if it is $500 that's still $100 less then a 5970. With 1920 I could see it matching a 5970. So you'd be getting as much performance as the top card from the last generation for less money.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
If it sells for $600 then I will be quite disappointed and most likely skip this generation. But what would you say if it ends up selling for $400 like I hoped?
If it doesn't feel like it has enough price/performance advantage over what you have now then it would be most sensible to not buy it. I stuck it out with a GTX285 until I picked up my 5970 for $300.Quote:
I don't think very many people, atleast in the know and remember last generations scalping, are going to be optimistic. I think they are going to expect long last scalping until NV responds with something. I bet alot of you guys that are interested in this card are going to buy at the first reasonable price they can find because they don't want to pay crazy scalping prices like last generation. And that my friend is a pessimism alot of us share I can imagine considering NV competition right now.
Nobody is making you buy these products. If you feel the price is too high then you should not purchase the product. People who have to buy the new product even if they feel it's priced too high hurt all of us by keeping the price elevated. Part of the recent price inflation is our fault for not exercising frugality and rationality as consumers. If a significant percentage of potential customers declined to purchase the product then they would have little choice but to drop the price.
I have been wondering about the NI architecture since it was announced. Rumors indicate it is a 4d design, but of course nothing official confirms that. We shouldn't have long before finding out the truth. I doubt that they would use a different design between Barts and Cayman.Quote:
I was probably one of the only people on this board to question, whether barts or the 6xxx in general was going to have 4d shaders(and barts has a 5d shader). Sometimes pessimism can help you see through hype and perhaps high expectations or rumors.
I try to moderate my expectations. I looked at the rumored shaders and clocks of Fermi and decided 30% faster then 5870 was probably about right. Fanboys from both sides grew a few extra wrinkles from all the frowning. But as it turns out my guess was closer then any others I heard. I always advocate moderating your expectations. But that doesn't mean automatically being pessimistic about everything. It means thinking rationally about the subject and trying to come to reasonable conclusions.
We know so little about Cayman that I have very few expectations at all, high or low.
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Originally Posted by zerazax
Because you trying to be a smartass,
Those three are different architectures
http://api.photoshop.com/v1.0/accoun...=1287560133000
Have a look at ATIs generations
HD38xx (320 SP, 666mil, 192mm2, 55nm)
http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_car...3870/Archb.png
HD48xx (800 SP, 956mil, 259mm2, 55nm)
http://images.bit-tech.net/content_i...v770-block.jpg
HD58xx (1600 SP, 2.1bil, 334mm2, 40nm)
http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-...ck-diagram.jpg
HD68xx (1120 SP, 1.7bil, 255mm2, 40nm)
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9...e8uvbwbu99.jpg
I believe now you do understand that 6870 is a reconfigured Cypress. Even AMD themselves said it.
Those of us in Aus have prices already...Some stores even list them as being in stock and available for purchase (But who knows if that is accurate or just an attempt at a price gouge pre-order stunt)
6850 lowest price is $259 (Sapphire)
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/...?q=6850&spos=1
6870 lowest price is $288 (MSI)
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/...?q=6870&spos=1
That is pretty cheap IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by SkItZo
Where is slide 19?
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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
wait 48 hours to get it at the very least would be my best guess
The rumors have always pointed to NI being a mix of the original NI front-end with the shader core of the previous generations. Nothing has been wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aten-Ra
First, you can already see that G80 and GT200 are pretty damn identical, so it's hardly 3 different architectures :rolleyes:. Fermi is of course new, but here's the kicker to your pointless argument:
Until you see what ATI did on the front end, which won't necessarily be known until the NDA is lifted, how can you say its any more of a reconfiguration than Nvidia? In your own diagram, one would just say GT200 is a GT200 is an expanded G80/G92 (in a similar style to 5800 from 4800). And Fermi had a large change in the shader/arithmetic part of the architecture, and not as much around it - one could say R6xx -> R7xx was the opposite, which was identical shader/arithmetic, major changes on the other stuff (such as TMU/RBEs)
So if you're going to play the "not much of an architecture game" card, one could just as easily point to other aspects of Nvidia and say the exact same thing, which was my point, but one you obviously missed :rolleyes: But that's the thing about unified shader architecture, you'll rarely see every aspect overhauled as we saw with G7x->G80 and R5xx->R600
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Originally Posted by Aten-Ra
AMDs David Hoff have said the followingQuote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
http://www.techradar.com/news/comput...s&attr=newsall
"Hoff was also happy to speak about it's upcoming new range of DirectX 11 graphics cards. "It's certainly more than changing a sticker," he said with a grin. "I wouldn't say it's an absolute, complete from the ground up new architecture .It's a nice, different architecture."
Yes they changed the Front End and they have every right to call it 6000 if they want to but that doesn’t change the fact that 6000 is not a new architecture.
Here are some figures from some aussies:
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...postcount=2196
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...postcount=2186
The card in the quoted system in the second link is the 6870. Hopefully you guys can view it :up:
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Originally Posted by Aten-Ra
some proof that its not a rebrand rename yadayada thingy .... :D thanks for the link .. i couldnt find it in the other 20 or so pages of random stuff ... thanks for the linky again
This thread is full of pointless discussion...
why argue if its a complete change or a small change when we already know it wont be a direct rename?
why argue if the naming is misleading when we know its priced for mainstream and any small confusion will only last one month till cayman?
let me throw in a new topic:
will you be able to crossfire barts with cypress if you wanted?
(if so, that is what i recomend for Dark-Energy)
Hm... GTX 470 performance from a cooler and lower power draw card? Sweet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Frontl1ne
Radeon HD 6870 is Twice Faster than GeForce GTX 460 in MSI Kombustor
6870
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2...d6800score.jpg
GTX 460
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9...tx460score.jpg