There were plenty of cards that had an overclock section, overall they had a pretty good gain from the overclocks. So the card/architecture has some good potential for revisions and such with a die shrink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpentarius
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There were plenty of cards that had an overclock section, overall they had a pretty good gain from the overclocks. So the card/architecture has some good potential for revisions and such with a die shrink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpentarius
Y READY (bought 5870 6 month ago);)
Sitting there and defending a total troll doesn't give you any extra e-peen points either :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
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Originally Posted by Svnth
I believe this card has great potential. but with the delays and hype I assumed they worked it it out. I see now it needs some more work.:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula
Now that would be sig worthy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
Waaaay too much whining going on about things that are what they are, take it or leave it.
If it doesn't meet your standards or is not to your liking you can buy ATI or wait for Intels unicorn.
He's not talking about Fermi.. he's commenting on my questioning purefun's posting behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
And I'll quickly point out that he's wrong.. if you point something out (aka "whine" by his definitions) ideally moderators would make it better.
GTX 480 has the best performance per watt in folding and DX11 Unigine. You see what you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by purefun65
The performance per watt in "legacy apps" is lower than 5870 for the same reason it is higher in newer apps. Fermi has all that excess hardware to make the new apps run faster. Pick your poison. Better old or better new. Nothing wrong with either depending on what you do.
HWG make very god review. Please use language tool. :)
http://www.hwgurus.com/testovi/grafike-karte/152.html
Orderet 2xGTX480 ;)
Don't misunderstand I'm not taking sides, I was simply implying that "all" the whining and complaining over and over from anybody isn't productive in any way, shape or form.Quote:
Originally Posted by Svnth
Denial is strong here. But the truth is, he absolutely nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by E30M3
my personal opinion!!! as it stands now. this is not a good card. With a die shrink and a rework of the arch it can be a great card. I would not personibly buy it it in its current form. in yhe future possibly yes, okay peace out
by that time there will be a HD 6870 :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by purefun65
Most people dont even take into consideration that 5970 was introduced to compete with high-end fermi. It is just remarkable that the 5870 has almost near similar performance,and being compared to fermi is a great testament to what Ati accomplished. Like it or not, Ati b!tch slapped fermi like a pimp and his ho.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...0,2585-15.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
No, no it doesn't... in fact the cards fall dead last compared to the 5970, 5870 and 5850 in perf/watt in Unigine
This is a new arch and we need to give them time to refine it. ati did do a great job.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
Thats because most people probably know you generally don't directly compare multigpu cards with single gpu cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
Might as well consider 2p & 4p rigs directly compared with 1p rigs.
you took what he was saying out of context he did mention 5870 in that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
What does his "mention" of 5870 do to change the context of my quote....Quote:
Originally Posted by purefun65
Did they release the 4870x2 to compete with the 285? Why would anybody think they released the 5970 an x2 to compete with a single gpu fermi.
needs a crackpipe added in :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
given your logic the 5970 came first so there for it wasnt released to compete against fermi.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Dead last = 10% worse?Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
5870 is dead last compared to GTX480.
5850 is dead last compared to GTX470.
10% worse is not dead last, it's a close finish. :up:
This time there is no reason to avoid the comparison, because the temperatures and power consumption are almost the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
My logic is you compare hardware in the proper class, it should be quite obvious that higher cost and performance is generally associated with multigpu configurations.Quote:
Originally Posted by purefun65
I guess by your logic you must believe that a $500 card competes with a $700 card.
You don't compare a 480 and a 5970 because the 5970 costs $200 more. It's also just as available as Fermi.... good luck finding one off newegg. And dual cards are simply a pain, it takes more work to get that FPS because of the lack of multi-GPU support in new games.
good responce. im saying is ati has yet to respond to fermi. price is what what supply and demand dictates as of today. so there for we can debate between multiple gpu cards or price per card is a grey area.:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Today prices here,
5970-541 EUROS
GTX480-479 EUROS
55870-339 EUROS
So if you can compare 5870 vs 480, you can do the same with 480 vs 5970 :up:
No. Listen, I'm running a 4830 myself right now and my recommendation for a high end desktop GPU is and will probably remain the 5850 for the near future, but you have to give credit where credit is due. Nv has managed to jam a ton of forward looking arch improvements and GPGPU stuff into this thing and still managed to make it fairly competitive in pure GPU terms right now. That's a major accomplishment that's going to pay off in the long run. Charlie can't seem to see anything beyond the current state of the high end desktop GPU market, and his predictions of financial d00m for Nv are totally off the mark. Nv is actually way ahead of the curve on a lot of things right now, and that is going to become painfully obvious to just about everyone over the next year or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by flippin_waffles
Just when you thought your 850W PSU was enough for your stock PC:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/n...5215/22207.png
It gets worse:
http://media.bestofmicro.com/0/S/242...mption%201.png
Power consumption figures in benchmarks can sometimes be quite revealing:
Its probable that the 5870 isn't using a good portion of its resources in Unengine Heaven.
Whether its poor driver optimization or design limitation is unknown.
Surely with crazy high power output, the GTX480 is being used 100% by driver!?
Its very possible, like i7/Phenom, that typical scenarios use much less power than special case (recall how AMD advertised "typical" not "max" Phenom power)
nVidia might then purposefully slows down shader execution in Fermi in these special non-game scenarios to ensure advertised 250W spec.
good point but the card has not been released yet. it is not available YET:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dami3n
and like the 5970 went up in price whan stock first hit the storesQuote:
Originally Posted by purefun65
you don't think the 480 will get jacked up
I'm betting on it;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
You apparently don't understand English very well. Arguing semantics much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sushi Warrior
Where did my statement that the GTX4xx's finished dead last prove to be wrong?
They ARE dead last out of the 5 in performance/watt, which clearly contradicts bamtam5's statement.
*censored* ...... wow..... seriously 850watt for sli 480gtx ??? how much watt does the mobo and cpu get into those figures????Quote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
Are there any other power consumption comparisons in any of the reviews using something like furmark?Quote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
My 6600GT also ran at 100C. But it was only like 50W. And the fan was stuck with dust. The 4850, runs near 100C on purpose to keep the fan speed as low as possible. You can tradeoff much lower temps at higher fan speed for a bit of rusling noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sushi Warrior
There is a HUGE difference.
On the GTX480 you cannot tradeoff fanspeed for lower temps. Fan is already at 70%+!!
If you dial it down to 30% the thing will have a meltdown = FIAL.
If you crank it up to 100%, you *might* get down to 80C - the highest I've reached when overclocking GTS250 = FAIL. :ROTF:
Power normalized to 5850=max (+/-20):
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video...occt_power.pngCode:card max heaven furmark Crysis comments
5970 300 264 315 258 looks pretty accurate
GTX295 289 342 287 xbitlabs OCCT:GPU is smoking!
GTX480 250 321 329 301 somebody is fibbing
5870 189 192 225 199 ~200 in games vs 189 advertised
5850 158 158 158 158 ---------------------
heaven=toms, furmark=anand, crysis=anand
Well you can subtract 851-479 = 372W more for the extra card, assuming nothing else was changed. That's at the wall of course... taking a 0.85 efficiency, that's 316W (at 0.80 efficiency, its 298W). So either way, the cards are drawing WAY over the 250W Nvidia advertised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
Holy moly!
Best performance per watt ...
In ...
Unigine ...
....
give or take that can be a fair assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
did they have the usual pci express sticker on their box????
well if u take 5 reviews from top websites and average it. this card eats alot of power. on avg. about 147 watts more than a 5870 under full load and in game about 92 Celsius temp
147W?Quote:
Originally Posted by purefun65
Nah, it seems to be ~100W or so across the various reviews
Around 150W for everything in the system except video cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
This is based on the total power output of 57xx and 58xx.
+/- maybe 20W.
Thus, the two 480s are sharing 700W between each other. Maybe 20-40W for error and another 20W for extra power of SLI chipset... that's still 640W!
Its impossible to justify how the system could possibly use 350W, given advertised 250Wx2.
The system by itself can't use more than 226W which already included a 5750.
850W probably because EVERYTHING - PSU, CPU, DRAM, HDD, and ofcourse 480s - are LESS EFFICIENT because of VERY HIGH TEMPS caused by the 480s. I would never store critical data on hard drives in there.
yes GTX480 is about 100W (45%) more than 5870.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
The only card worse in perf/Watt is the GTX295.. sorry GTX480 #2 place.
Kind of an eye opener thats for sure, too bad TSMC doesn't have a high-k metal gate process on 40nm, 28nm should be high-k metal gate or at least be an option with TSMC later this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
I'm wondering how much of a role leakage may be contributing with the high transistor count.
did anyone compare 2x5970's to 480 sli?
im starting to think that might be the only concrete nvidia win
imo everything other matchup is so close that you can argue for either, for the most part
I'd be more interested in seeing 3x 5870. Quad scaling usually sucks. However it seems that 480 sli is hit in miss right now. In the games with good scaling, the scaling is *really* good. In the games with poor scaling, you may as well turn off your heater and save on natural gas...Quote:
Originally Posted by grimREEFER
Nvidia partners prolly going nerdrage right now for this massive fail, after waiting so long for this... :rofl:
TMSC 40nm is NOT the problem. Somehow magically AMD made a DUAL-GPU card with less power and lower idle power.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Last time I checked, 5970=4BT. GTX=3BT. 4>3 isn't it?
The problem is the design. AMD put a LOT of focus on maintaining 4870's very high performance/TDP. nVidia was focused on top performance irregardless of means.
Its exactly the same way P4 fell from grace at 3.8Ghz.
(this is why Intel doesn't just hope for 1%performance/1%power, but requires it and much higher)
Now, where are all those Dual-Fermi folks? or the Fermi laptop weirdos.. I wanna see them spin their way out.
Who wants to be the first to offer 5 year warranty.. anybody? What about 3 year? Any takers? EVGA? BFG? They will provide SOME warranty (and house fire insurance), right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomshardware
Code:idle core mem shader power
5870 157 300 157 27
480 50 67 100 60!?
dude it is bad but not laughable. this arch has some legs to grow into. this card when shrunk and reworked will be a strong performer.:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
also, in the case of your 6600gt, it was getting hot, but it wasn't really heating up the environment too much because there wasn't much energy being effectively outputted.Quote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
in the case of a 480, it will be able to heat up a room pretty well cause it's certainly not getting hot just because of an incompetent cooler.
maybe [H] was right and BFG will go red :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
History repeats again, GTX 480 = GTX 280 (though GTX 480 is much worse), but in fermi case I don't see any die shrink soon (GTX485).Quote:
Originally Posted by purefun65
Still not seeing the "massive fail" with 1920x1200 or 1920x1080, plus 4x AA, or 2560x1600 4x AA (16x AF). Minimum framerates 20-30% higher, average 15-20% across most reviews. Some higher, some lower... :shrug:. The main well-done review belonging to Hardware Canucks shows this very clearly. $400 vs. 500, is about 25% difference in price, not that out of hand for a top-end single-GPU card. Yes, it's hot... yes it draws a lot of power, but no it isn't a "massive fail".Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
eVGA has 725Mhz superclocked edition - how brave of them to increase clocks by 3.5%.
GTX480 - melt an igloo in seconds
GTX480 - helping with global warming has never been easier!
GTX480 - when you see the juices on the burger, its time to flip one more time and you're done.
GTX480 - We finally beat the freezing aliens of Crysis!
GTX480 - nVidia - helping teenagers fake fevers since 1999.
GTX480 - hey baby, its hot in here.. why dont you take off that bra *wink*
GTX480 - Its time to kick as and chew bubble gum, and stop whining about a little heat - I've been to hell and back.
GTX480 - may cause dizziness, blurred vision, dry mouth, dehydration, shortness of breath, headaches, naussea, explosive diahrea
Yeah I can imagine how upset EVGA is that they sold out of pre-orders within 30 minutes of reviews reviews going up. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
The only things positive fermi has is SLI scaling and some OC headroom, the rest still fail, 6 month late fail, power consumption fail, fan noise fail , price fail, thermals fail, after being delayed multiple times and make us wait for what? 15% better performance than competition and slightly better min frames? When the competition (5870) clearly wins in all the departments that fermi failed today plus keeping a good fight in fps's. For me is a massive fail...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
yeah fanboy's that is, they don't care to buy fail products :rolleyes: , if you have read news the volume fermi cards are coming in april, having sold out fast already doesn't mean they have sold gazillions of cards and its just PRE-ORDERS you said it, Fermi is not enough to stop people from buying ATI 5000's...Quote:
Originally Posted by Svnth
During the summer after G80's release, I had a 8800 Ultra in the stock configuration in my Antec P182.Quote:
Originally Posted by grimREEFER
Here in SoCal, temperatures were consistently in the 90 F+ range... so my card often hit artifacting to the point where I had to keep my case open.
I left it on overnight once, and when I woke up and walked out of my room, the air was noticeably cooler :ROTF: I eventually got a Thermalright HR-03+ to cool it, but damn, after that summer, I've been wary of getting cards on the high end of heat/TDP without water cooling.
And to see that this card is even hotter??
but how many was thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Svnth
a pre-order is selling something you don't have yet
how do you sell out of something you don't have yet :shrug:
You can sell out of what you have been allocated to receive to sell ;). They know they're getting XXXXX units for launch, and thus put up a pre-order with a quantity of XXXXX units. Once the numbers match... it's sold out.Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
You forgot late, expensive to make and massively hyped by nvidia. There is alot of fail going on here for what they are shipping. I'm worried about reliability as well but we'll see how that plays out.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Then why did people compare mcm core2quad cpu's with AMD Phenoms? The phenom was a "true quad core" compared to core2quads. The 5970 was designed to work as and like a single gpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
The 4870X2 was made to compete with gtx285, Nvidia wasnt able to make the gtx295 for a long time till they were able to shrink and keep power in check.
Late matters how during gaming once it's in my hands? Expensive to make... I'm getting it at a good price, what's that matter either, I am paying $499 + ship from amazon at the moment ($4 overnight with prime) or $508 shipped from newegg once it's instock there, whichever comes first? I don't care how much or little it was hyped, it is what it is...? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
Thought I would upload a few pictures from the PAXEast event. And talk a bit of what I saw. I hope its not to much, but thought some people might be interested as I was.
http://www.uvm.edu/~bborneil/Nvidia1.JPG
The event was hosted by Drew Henry, General Manager, GeForce GPUs
http://www.uvm.edu/~bborneil/Nvidia9.JPG
Started out by talking about PC Gaming and how they were out to make a great cards for great gamers, and a big introduction to the GTX 480 and GTX 470, normal PR stuff. But I did like this comparison of GTX 4XX die to that of 4 Core i7 CPU's being the same size !
http://www.uvm.edu/~bborneil/Nvidia2.JPG
Nothing was said about ATI or about their cards beyond saying that Nvidia was out to build a next gen card and thus made a brand new arch. The only performance slide shown was this one comparing a GTX 480 to a GTX 285 (and thats 2X in the upper corner).
http://www.uvm.edu/~bborneil/Nvidia3.JPG
They really wanted to point out it was twice as fast as last generation.
http://www.uvm.edu/~bborneil/Nvidia4.JPG
Then came the part of the show I was having a hard time keeping a straight face. To promote the GTX 480 and 470 Nvidia came up with a new slogan. and ... wait for it ... here it is!
http://www.uvm.edu/~bborneil/Nvidia5.JPG
Maybe I am dead in side but PR like this has never worked for me, maybe it works on the general public though.
We were all given 3d glasses (2 of them had green paint on them, people who had them won a GTX 480) and so following the introduction the event went 3D.
http://www.uvm.edu/~bborneil/Nvidia6.JPG
Next came a short showing of BF:BC2 in Stereo 3D at about 30fps, Nvidia also showed off a Need for Speed Car customizer using Ray Tracing that will come with every GTX 480 and 470 sold. Looked amazing, seemed to be running at around 2fps.
http://www.uvm.edu/~bborneil/Nvidia7.JPG
The show wrapped up with a bit of fooling around with the Rocked Sled demo they had shown before and Metro 2033 in Stereo 3D at somewhat playable FPS, 30fps in Metro at best. Then they showed World of Warcraft in Stereo 3D at maybe 10-15fps, it was kinda sad to see.
Beyond the event I found a lot of GTX 480's on the exhibit floor, from EVGA, PNY, and Galaxy to name a few. The Nvidia booth was filled with 480 SLI systems by Maingear.
http://www.uvm.edu/~bborneil/Nvidia8.JPG
It was a well done event, nothing shown was that amazing when really examined, but the overall feel was impressive. It was cool to see BF:BC2 and Metro 2033 in 3D. Nvidia also had a Stereo 3D demo up of Just Cause 2 which was amazing, good frame rate too, though settings looked to be middle of the road. As well as one with Need for Speed: SHIFT.
I am unsure what I think about the slogan, CRANK THAT S#!T UP did nothing to sway me and seemed like something a High School Student would be told by his friends before doing something that ends up on YouTube.
On a side note, I also spent some time with one of the guys at the Nvidia booth who said he was in charge of the thermals and cooling. After a bit of prying he made it very clear to me that the heat sink on the GTX 480 is as big as they could make it and as efficient as possible. He seemed to extremely proud of what he had made, and after reading the reviews I see why. There is a LOT of heat to get rid of.
Overall, I will be sticking with my 5770's until I can pick myself up a 5870 2gig card, Fermi is overall, a bit of a no show.
Thanks for the post/pics... I 100% agree on the slogan heh, really silly!Quote:
Originally Posted by CadESin
Wow, thanks for the pics and recap CadESin!
CRANK THAT S#!T up is hilarious though :ROTF:
I mean... with the entire power consumption and noise issue we've seen, I'm not sure that was the best choice of words form PR :rotf:
Nearly 30 pages after Fermi official release I'll quote myself:
Thanks to all admins and mods. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caparroz
Single socket is single socket, did you have pay a premium for two physical cpus & double ram or need custom profiles, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
5970 was designed as a dual gpu solution on a single card and is priced & competes accordingly, single gpu should be self explanatory.
The only one I saw that put 2x 5970s against 2x GTX480 was ixbt. GTX480 SLI loses:Quote:
Originally Posted by grimREEFER
http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-vide...2560-pcie.html
http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-vide...2560-pcie.html
http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-vide...2560-pcie.html
http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-vide...2560-pcie.html
http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-vide...2560-pcie.html
http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-vide...2560-pcie.html
http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-vide...2560-pcie.html
It'd be nice if more reviews included 480 SLI and 5970 CF results, but I'm not going to hold my breath. :shakes:
Not sure about the others but PNY offers a lifetime warranty with registration.Quote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
http://www3.pny.com/GTX-470-1280MB-PCIe-P2876C434.aspx
http://www3.pny.com/GTX-480-1536MB-PCIe-P2877C434.aspx
EDIT: EVGA offers lifetime was well with registration.
This review is total faily :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
I have read over a bazillion reviews now my conclusion is split in two parts:
Cons:
1080p gaming gives similar/close fps as 5870.
Eats quite a bit more than the 5870, you could have 5870 CF and still manage to save a few watts.
Pro:
AA performance seems good less of a hit.
In some games its performance is closer to 5970 than 5870, but then again 5870 CF would perform better than the 5970.
Result:
5870 2GB @ 900Mhz would close the gap with GTX 480 and it would be very close around 1080p. GTX 480 as it stands at $500 is very good card for the price. Lets see it its price does not go the way 5870 did and keeps stable at $500 "Its very hard tough"
If 5870 2GB @ 900Mhz is available around $420-$429 it would be a good alternative against the GTX 480 specially considering the less power consumption.
BTW 5870 was listed at $399 originally maybe at last AMD will offer 5870 at the release price :)
gah really can't decide to get a new card.... or an iphone.
I agree that the review is not very good. But I don't see any others with 2x 5970 numbers for comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Tnx! :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by CadESin
According to the graphs, they are close. But what they are measuring is average FPS, which isn't so important. GTX 480 SLI should deliver much smoother gaming experience due to more stable frame rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
Further, when better nVidia drivers arrive we can expect 2x480GTX to outperform 5970 CF in min and average FPS, as well as in smoothness.
Never has history seen a graphics card that can be interpreted so differently from whichever angle you look at it.
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD IT USES MORE POWER THAN 5970 BUT PERFORMS NOWHERE NEAR AND ITS ALSO 92C PLUS ITS LIKE 6 MONTHS LATE
or
WOWZERS %20 faster than 5870 on avg with AA, even better minimum FPS performance, its performance advantage rises with tessellation & DX11 so it's kinda more future proof, PhysX is a nice thing to have if nothing, new card & architecture means its performance will only go better with time and it and only %25 more expensive.
I know the power / heat issue will be a decisive backbreaker for a lot of people, but when you think about everything, I think that this launch was actually near decent. The card definitely has potential and even if buying a Fermi product might make less sense than buying a Radeon today, I feel things will get much better for Nvidia from this point.
GtX 480 20-30% faster then a 5870 no fail there
Ati 6 month ahead whit drivers 20% there
thats 40-50% a GTX480 i faster when drivers mature
And the bigest fail is ATIs drivers is a fail.
True, but until someone builds a functional machine based on Einstein's theories, time has a bad habit of keep going forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
Will it be more sensible to buy "a Fermi product" after ATI launches it's 6xxx series in a few months? It's a rethorical question, btw.
People should buy whatever suits their needs on a given day. There's allways something faster or revolutionary around the corner. :)
Yep... we won't see anything from AMD/ATi for another +6 months... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by E30M3
gtx480 sucks alot of juice but that with 3 revision change right??? imagine the first revision how buggy it was....
Looks like the gtx4xx cards can't downclock it's memory when two monitors are active resulting in a very high idle temperatures and power consumption. This interesting in light of the fact that this is true for ATI's cards but they don't have the same extreme temperature and power consumption.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1258/15/
Your point being?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
Where was this mentioned? I have seen ZIP about anything BFG related to GTX 400 series cards. Absolutely nothing, as if they aren't going to even have them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
As usual, nVidia SuXxX :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Caparroz
http://hardocp.com/news/2010/03/04/b...radeon_cards63Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
there you go :up:
I actually like the idea of large chips, anybody remember the Alpha? But conceptually can be different then practice.
There are a few practical issues I think they should deal with in a consumer version. One such issue would be the factor of die size at the fabrication level. If they could make each of those GPC units fit on a single small chip. Then you could MCM 4 on a package to make a 512 shader card, 3 for a 384 shader card, 2 for a 256 shader card, etc. Ultimately I feel that's where this will lead, IMO. AMD will do it with CF and NV will probably do it with SLI (or CUDA). Intel will do it with a version of x86 and as AMD will do it with their processors. And lots of software will have to be rewritten to take advantage of the era of massively multicore, so could we use some open standards please? :D
Today it might not suit everyone to buy Fermi. If I were building a new rig I would definitely consider getting a GTX 480 above a HD5870. (I'd probably buy a HD5870 anyway, but getting a 480 isn't out of the question.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Caparroz
ATI doesn't launch its 6xxx series in a few months. In fact, everything points to the fact that AMD won't be doing much in a few months except maybe a 5890, which has never been confirmed.
Meanwhile Fermi can maybe see a new revision. Even if it doesn't, its future yields will be better and the product a little bit cooler and more efficient.
its some sort of wow congrats nvidia you made something broken up into something half decent ...... cant imagine seeing those old numbers when nvidia first received fermi and had to do those improvement to get fermi into the 300watt tdp that they are now .... imagine 400watt single gpu ????Quote:
Originally Posted by Caparroz
sure smart man.... sure ... nvidia sucks because of the bad management .... keep the engineer but fire jen-hsung and all those pr moron ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Yup, that's my point. As of now i would consider the gtx4xx launch somewhat of a flop. At the same time I'm almost sure 2 gtx480 are the best option for my current project (I wasn't waiting for Fermi; it was a sudden decision).Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
As of ATI's 6xxx series, it was all rethorical as I said. Whatever brand releases the product I want and/or need gets my money. :yepp:
Sure nvidia needs a respin, but ati getting a head soo heavy they cannot help but rest it on their laurels. Whole thing teaches one thing, forget waiting for the alternative be an early adopter and jump(As those HD5870 owners did :D )!
I think objectively speaking, this is the worst launch from Nvidia since the NV30. That's actually proof that Nvidia has had a great track record of good launches, but this is easily the 2nd worst one in their history.Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
20-30% faster? Um, okay, most reviews average it out to 13-15%, and our own users here have compiled some charts showing 8% without AA, 15% with AA at 1920 x 1200, and almost all reviews acknowledge the gap decreases with resolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by E30M3
And keep spouting drivers... what in the world do you think the driver team has been doing the past 6 months? Keep in mind this card was due 6 months ago, do you really think the driver team would have had even less then?
But hey, keep spouting phantom numbers :rolleyes:
GTX 480 does not really do much, its hot and well hungry. GTX 485 would be a good card and hopefully it would be out before ATi's refresh.
5870 around 900mhz-950mhz is very comparative and if you mix in 2GB's and say a $70 or so less of a price tag its would be a win on ati's side.
Where do you get that 20-30% faster than a HD5870? :confused::confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by E30M3
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/136...s5870final.png
In his hopes and dreams :rofl::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by iTravis
Now that the gtx 480 has arrived , any words on the dual fermi ??
plz i know the TDP is high and many would say its impossible. but i am sure nvidia will deliever whatever it cost just to reply to Ati's 5970.
though i like the performance of the gtx 480 SLI. But i will wait to see the dual fermi first. any news ?
Saw this while flipping through the reviews again at night:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1258/15/
Yikes! 90C at idle for 2 LCDs?? I wonder if any other reviewers had this same issueQuote:
"We are currently keeping memory clock high to avoid some screen flicker when changing power states, so for now we are running higher idle power in dual-screen setups. Not sure when/if this will be changed. Also note we're trading off temps for acoustic quality at idle. We could ratchet down the temp, but need to turn up the fan to do so. Our fan control is set to not start increasing fan until we're up near the 80's, so the higher temp is actually by design to keep the acoustics lower." - NVIDIA PR
There haven't been any substantial rumors on a dual Fermi right now, most are talking about the GF104 and GF108 derivative (mid/lower end) cards on the horizonQuote:
Originally Posted by TRANCEFORMER
And given that Nvidia couldn't do a dual GTX 280 which drew less power / heat, I wouldn't expect a dual Fermi until a process shrink, or a dual 470 probably with some cut down parts. Personally, a 2 x GF104 card might be doable (if the GF104 is really 320SP, 256-bit as rumored, that would certainly be competitive with the 5970).
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Originally Posted by TRANCEFORMER
quad sli in mind ????
Wow, gtx4xx isn't even for sale and people are already speculating about gtx485, whatever that is...
I hate to repeat myself but it was a wise decision to keep this thread going... :D