My BH5 runs @ 270 on my Neo2... so no it doesn't hate it.
I don't have redline or VX, but my 2nd set (1st set is 2x256bh5) is UTT 2x512 "so called ch5" and does 267 without problems...
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My BH5 runs @ 270 on my Neo2... so no it doesn't hate it.
I don't have redline or VX, but my 2nd set (1st set is 2x256bh5) is UTT 2x512 "so called ch5" and does 267 without problems...
BH5 and neo2 dont mix dude you just have crap ram and a crap board.
im not sure what your issues has been with the bh5 you have had but if it dont work on your board then its bad ram or a bad board end of story
the neo2 loves BH5
I can easily run fsb250+ in memtest but in windows I can only hit fsb234. Everything higher than that result in "freezing" when OS load!
I use 2-2-2-8 timings, 3.3~3.4V
The CPU is not the problem!
I cool my memorys and booster with a 120mm fan.
I adjust my rails today but nothing changed!
3,4V
12,2V
5,1V
What more can I do?
How can I raise my chipset voltage?
System in sign.
Thank´s
I like to see some screen shot please. And it must be 2X512MB of BH-5. It's pointless if you got 2x256MB BH-5 to 270MHz cuz anyone can get to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garrett
Please post your system setup also please! That will help others that are trying to get to 250+ MHz on their 2x512MB BH-5 ram.
Lestat, I notice you're using the OCZ PC4800 ram in your sig. From my understanding those are samsung memory chips. Have you ever tested 2x512MB BH-5 RAM in your Neo2 personally? If not, you don't get to make that conclusion.
If Sleepy Samurai is trying to narrow down the problem on his system, it is not helping him if you just conclude blindly his OCZ rams are bad without considering other factors such as incompatibility between the ram and Neo2 motherboard.
Jhya its not helping by you saying that the neo2 hates bh5 thats bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: and you know it.
this board has been around long enough and so have i and the FEW people who have had issues with BH5 it was either a goofy mobo or goofy ram
your conclusion that ALL bh5 is bad for the neo2 is rediculous!
there is nothing wrong with BH5 and the NEO2 and YES i have ive tested Mushkin Redline 4000 265 2-2-2-5 it wasnt mine but i wished it was :)
dude i have offered possible fixes if you have tried them and they dont work then RMA the ram... the GUARENTEE that stuff to run a certain speed at a certain voltage and -
1: Unless you ahve a DDR booster the NEO2 does not offer enough volts to make that BH5 ram run...
2. go to the OCZ section this isnt the right place to ask... there is a specific section with OCZ Technicians here who help people such as yourself who aer having issues.
the UTT is absolutely no different from the bh5 besides the fact its not bh5 and its not as good as bh5...
if your claiming BH5 is no good are you gunna tell me that before 1 year ago when TCCD came out that EVERYONE was using Samsung and Hynix chips on their NEO2's ? thats rediculous..
to answer #2193 /2194, I've been running an X2 - 4200+ (that is 2.2 GHz w 512k L1 for each core) on my Neo2 Platinum for the past 7 days.
My previous CPU was a 3200+ Winnie, I was able to get 2.6 Ghz prime stable with the same mobo, with vcore at 1.55+10% in bios (260 HTT x 10), and a Zalman Reserator passive watercooling.
My X2 works well with either 1.9 or 1.A3 bios. Default vcore is rated at 1.29 / 1.30 v (given that this value is read correctly by CPU-Z). First I was unable to set default vcore to any other value than the "startup" one (no boot), what I did was to flash again the bios with the "updtae all" option (DMI, Bootblock, etc. with Winflash). Now, with 1.55 v +10% selected in bios, the actual vcore indicated with CPU-Z is in the range of 1.53 to 1.58 (seems quite unstable). Otherwise, at this vcore, a stable overclock at ~ 2600 to 2650 came on quite easily (260 to 265 HTT x 10 multiplier). As my RAM cannot be used at higher speed than 220 fsb (Corsair Value PC3200 CAS 2.5), I had to use the "166" divider and relax some of the timings to get it perfectly stable. Any higher overclock led the core 0 to fail in Prime95, while core 1 can stay Prime95 stable at 2700+ MHz.
The only and main issue with this is about cold boot : once oveclocked and after the shutdown, I cannot boot again without clearing the CMOS and setting up the bios correctly. This does not happend with default non overclocked values, it happends with both 1.9 and 1.A3 bios. It seems that any overclock with HHT higher than ~220 is causing this cold boot issue. Even modified 1.9 and 1.A3 with no temperature mod are useless to fix this.
It is a shame for now (from an moderate overclocker perspective), but we can hope that this will be fixed in a future bios revision. Other than that, I'm quite pleased with the stability and performance of those new dual-core CPU on an almost 2 years old MB.
2,5
Im also getting this cold boot issue now. But only because im using 300htt. At 275htt it always booted fine. Now i have to boot and wait and it starts defaults then i quickly enter bios and save and it boots fine. Stable. (1.8 bios)
Hopefully they will add the load from defaults option to the 1.A3 bios so that u dont have to clear cmos all the time, that must suck.
Try using different Vcore setting. 1.55v option resulted in the cold-boot problem, so I switched different setting, and now it works. (Both combo gave me around 1.35v for running X2 4400+ @ 250x10)
#2222/2223
Thanks, I'm going to try different settings.
sideeffect, how come that you can enter the bios after a cold boot : nothing happends for me if I wait...
Its because with all the bios before 1.9 if the bios cant boot it will boot with slower settings.
did they actually fix that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by sideeffect
i thought only the 1.8 and lower had the "safe mode" setting. when overclocking fails.
i LOVE that about these bios's if it fails 99% of the time you just shut down and start up again and start tapping Insert and its in 'safe mode' which is just a lower speed on cpu and ram. unlike sooo many other mobo's where you have to reset the bios.. ggrrr...
redline 4000 is on the way... mmm finally i get to own a set and not just test it.. mmmmm cant wait..
Thats what im saying lestat i have 1.8 so safe mode works for me fine when i get cold boot bug. 2virgule5 has 1.9 bios so he has to reset cmos everythime it cold boots.
ohh i thought you said 1.9 had it.
man what do we lol or should i say NFM gotta do to put that safe mode back in.. once again its a feature i could kill MSI for removing.. i mean frankly thas just retarded...
im testing the 1.36 Rev 4 right now... ill let you know how it goes
i can tell you right now though the temp bug is sooo obvious lol omg 38c idle at default voltages ?!! i think not.. that should be reading 30c
does the temp bug cause the cpu to throttle back ? i hope not...
so far 1.A3Mod by Syar seems to be my favorite. Lots of extra options, and defaults are set a bit different. Most of all it fixed my CPU Spread Spectrum bug.
Just got back off Holidays - has the 1.9 Bios sorted out the issues with the Venice core - or is it still having issues - sorry havnt time to read all the post since at home
Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise
can you provide a link to this bios ?
and what 'extra' options are there ?
link link link lol...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus...
No Zeus the 1.9 bios isnt that great. Its not terrible but not as good as the 1.8. The 1.A3 bios looks promising though.
Thats for that sideeffect :) :)
Looks like we r :horse:
havn't been over at DFI street yet - has the 'DFI LanParty UT NF3 Ultra' got the bios sorted yet? will take even longer to get though those posts :rolleyes:
whats the best way to flash the neo2 bios, what i mean do any switches need to be used if flashing from fdd
here is what i use
just replace the rom name with whatever you call yours
AWFL833D 180Rev3.BIN /py/sn/wb/cc/cd/cp/f
i make a bat file, rename it to flash.bat and paste that into the bat file then in dos just type flash.bat
I need to replace my South :rolleyes:bridge HSF quickly, what should i buy?
I am looking at the Vantec Iceberq Copper VGA/Chipset Fan.
MSI sent me a tiny little thing as a replacment saying they were out of stock. The heatsink is smaller than the stock fan of the MSI NB.
yeah a vantec one will work for now just watch your temps and its a southbridge not a northbridge lol..
just really watch those temps
thanks well i just got the neo2, 4 sticks of OCZ Gold and a 3000 e6 so the fun starts :) although i did read a bit that the gpfw steping that i god might not be to great :(
edit: does anyone use a E6 Venice with a pre 1.9 bios and is it stable since i rather use 1.8nfm
yeah dont use the 1.9 i think everyone here pretty much sticks with the 1.36 or 1.8 if they have a venice
4 sticks of OCZ ouch this board aint gunna like that...
naw im just gonna run 2 stick the other 2 sticks are for other system / backup since from my country it would be hard to do an rma if i need (god forbid)....i just said 4 since im gonna use the best 2 in the neo2
is there a difference between 1.8 and 1.36b for OC with BH5?
so what is this 1.A3Mod by Syar this dude was talking about can someone provide a link ?
nm i found it
lol im scared to try this bios lol
well my "playing with new stuff" didnt start off to well so im calling it a night.....can u guys imagine i couldnt stick on a atx connector from a new chieftec PSU, i tried one of my enermaxes that is hacked up (missing fans, wires sinniped with missing pots) and it conected OK, so now i got to wait till tommorow to pull out my working enermax.............
Lestat post link to bios and info then :rolleyes:
oops sorry i lost my head there. didnt mean to horde it all to myself :\
http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/budwise321
i havent tried this yet i dont have the guts any and allll 1.9 bios's have reacted VERY VERY violently to my system and hardware. meaning refuses to boot to anything.. voltages must be exact or below spec or system wont even finish post and on and on and on..
anyways this isnt 1.9 its almost like a 2.0 i havent tried it yet if someone else wants to... go for it.
btw the 1.36 Rev 4 seems to run really good... just as good as 1.8 rev 3 if not slightly better using the ocz PC4800 but still cant go over 260-ish with this ram without running 2T which is total bullsh|t i have NEVER EVER seen aNY ram fore you to drop to 2T at such low crap overclocks... ESPECIALLY when the ram is rated at 300mhz..
1.A3 bios is a good bios it allows me to get 320htt with the 166 div this is with muskin redline 3500 before with the 1.8r3 i could just to the 265-270 before things got hairy. now using this bios you cant jump the gun i did and scewed my bios up reflashed it and took baby steps 10mhz at a time and it works.so one success story here :) :) :)
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there ya go, thats it on my yahoo briefcase. I was just about ot post it. Its scary how i can post my briefcase on a site and it will spread to others within hours. When i posted 1.9 before it came out i posted it on one site, and within 24hours it was EVERYWHERE. This bios has LOTS of goodies in it. Drive Strength, all the memory timings you could want, ATI/Nvidia speedup, a spot to input your MAC Lan address in case it gets erased like 1.9 did, and more. This bios was given to me by Syar on MSI HQ and it was one that he modded for his personal use. He has the defaults set a little different, but i believe it will be to most people's liking, no voltages timings etc are changed some some very basic stuff. (EX: Spread Spectrum is disabled, Full Screen Bootup disabled, etc.)
Enjoy! Its a good one!
Chris
I have an archive of NEO2 BIOS's going that I try to keep updated for everyone to use. Easier to have all them in 1 place with some information about them =)
http://www.msi.sploitz.com/
And as new BIOS come out or you find anymore info then I have listed, it would be great if you could send it my way so I can keep the site up to date.
Feel free to spread it around for people to use.
Does the 1.A3Mod by Syar have the no temp mod added. If someone using it could go into bios and look and see if it shows the cpu temp and mainboard temp etc or not please.
I cant flash a bios with temps showing because it wont work.
MSIMAX - awesome to hear you got your HTT up.
1.8 Rev3 was the best for me but 1.36 Rev 4 seems equally good.
no other bios other than 1.8 Rev 3 has allowed me to reach 370mhz HTT.
looks like i will have to give this new one a try and see what happens.
D3kMatrix welcome and thanks for the database and the time your spending doing it.
MSIMAX i got some of the special Redline coming around Saturday maybe even tommorrow.. 1.5-2-2-0 265mhz 3.6v :) i realise i highly doubt the neo2 will let me push it that hard but im gunna try.
It's gotta be better than this PC4800. Ive never had ANY ram that required you to run 2T at 265 and up..and ive had alot of ram.. not even their PC3200 Plat TCCD required you to run 2t on a NON DFI board. im a bit angry right now but i feel some of it is the bios's *maybe* ill try the new one and report back
Does this bios require the NEW awdflash ? the 1.9 did because its a different layout and style of bios.. it required the flash tool to be updated.. ?
i just hooked up my neo2 and my e6 venice, i flashed to 1.8rev3 but my ram is at 2T (i only stuck in 2x256) i cant find an option for 1T so do i need the 1T bioses even though i dont have a sandiego?
you cant find the 1 t ? dude go into dram configuration is has it right there...
reset your bios using the jumper also but 99% of the time you dont have to.
and im tellin you what fellas this 1.a3 whatever is total crap
its doing the same :banana::banana::banana::banana: the 1.9 does it REFUSES to boot to a cdrom a hard drive OR a floppy!!!
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AARRRRGGGGG i cant even reflash... last time i tried the 1.9 it took over 2 hours to get into a floppy to boot up.......
omg!!! screw that bios. Sideeffect.. YES the temps are there and the temp bug is also there!.. man oh man what a crap bios..
use winflash lestat. Thanks for letting me know about the temps ill get them removed before i try to use it.
Im more interested in the supposed 166 divider fix that it provides. I get my ballistix back again tommorow. Sent them back 3 times so far. Hopefully ill get a good set this time.
i cant use anything now cuz the f u c k e r wont boot to ANYTHING!!! omg you have no idea its the same anger as if you had a failed flash without a backup chip
right now the only thing it will boot to is memtest floppy and i have no idea why..
it wont boot to my hard drive,, it wont boot to ANY cd not even the XP cd.. it says it is but then nothing happens.
the only thing thats happening is memtest floppy and it boots to grub once i choose a selection in grub nothing happens it just sits at a blank screen...
with a floppy,, a dos floppy it reads the floppy but nothing happens.. my gawd i cant be the only one this happens too...
this is the same b.s. that 1.9 did to me and there was no fix it just all the sudden went to a floppy for no reason.. damn it i dont have the time for this this morning!!!
i need in my pc
im on the g/f system right now
there its in a floppy now
all i did was unhook my Raptor and my the hard drive hooked to my promise TX2 133 IDE controller
so one of those things it definately does NOT like...
so im done with this bios regardless of stability or what it can and cant do .. if it fails cuz of my raptor OR promise ide card i have no use for it... i need both of those items..
well back to 1.36 Rev 4 for more benching
sideeffect just so you know
temp bug is still there
-12v is STILL friggin being reported as 7v
USB memory crap is still there that needs to flippin go
there are NO 1/2 cpu multipliers
the "above 200mhz" Memory options are there but all they give you are 100, 133,100,100 they are worthless not sure why they are there.
oops forgot.
the IR function is always on just like before...
other than that there are some nice memory options but since i cant even bench with the bios i have no way of knowing how well they work
Im serious there is no 1/2T option in bios and i flashed to 1.8rev3 and cleared it fo like 30min with psu unpluged and still nothing, mabey its my E6 rev CPU
are you using a san diego or venice ? or X2 ?
1T 2T has nthing to do with your CPU,, menaing if 1T 2T is showing.
reflash it... hit f! to reboot... once you get into the post screen.. and its going thru post power off.
reset the bios with the jumper. - you only need to set the jumper to reset for 5 sec's actually 1 sec,, thats all it takes.. but i do 5 sec. then go into the bios and see if its there.
my chip is an E3 and i see it just fine..
you should have memory freq - 200 166 - 133 - 100
1T 2T auto
2 - 2.5 - 3
and then the other three... in that order...
do you see the other memory options ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by sideeffect
temp shows. so no temp mod.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
ill reflash but ya thats how i flash except i left it of for a while cause i had to do something, i got all those settings except the Comand rate, the cpu is E6 Venice, so thats like a single core manchester i think
hhmm interesting go grab the 1.8 w/ San diego fix that will force 1T no matter what
Agreed, I was about to recommend the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
god its just a hasle cause i dont got a fdd on there, got to burn CD for every different bios
is there a way to stick various bioses on one CD and flash, since i make a bootable fdd and burn that, if i add files to the cd it cant see them after without cdrom drivers and ofcourse i cant copy more than 1.4mb to a fdd
wow guy ebay yourself a floppy or head down to walmart if you got one.
technically if you have a USB thumb drive just throw the bootable files on that and it will boot into dos that way
Floppies arent going away anytime soon. although they been talking about it for the last 5 years
you can also ebay yourself a usb floppy.
use a cd-rw lol
if you have an old win98 disk boot up to that and choose boot to dos ,,, then when your there if you have a hard drive that has a fat32 partition just browse to that and flash from a hard drive...
use winflash i dont like it but i have never had anything bad happen..
just be sure to check reset cmos
hehe i got a fdd its just im my main system and i dont feel like taking it out, unfortinatly i dont have any cdrw atm so i got to do it like this...............but that is not important....
more important for this thread is that even with 1.80rev3 1T bios it still puts it 2T and i dont have an option of changing it, i flashed to 1a3 mod now to see what it does since the 1.9 brought rev E6 cpu support.............with initial teseting (posting :) ) with 1.8rev3 board was going to around 380 htt
LMK what you think about the 1.A3 MOD Millyons, I'm thinking about trying it because my CPU multi doesn't work with any of the 1.9 versions. And there is no 1.8 BIOS with all of extra memory timings unhidden.
well im just playing with it, i didnt want to flood the thread every min but its better for me, 1T works now, more options even though max HTT is around 360 (post) and multies work for me (well i only tried 5x and the stock 9)
millyons
what type of hard drive layout do you have ?
sata ide , ide controller card ?
i would like to flash with that bios again and trouble shoot why it caused my system to not boot.. it maybe somehting as simple as the Promise IDE card... but whats odd was that i had to disconnect power so the Promise bios wasnt loaded into memory.
i also did the raptor at the same time.. i wasnt thinking i was getting upset i should have done one at a time..
just one old hdd 20gb (with bad sectors :) ) and a CD rom since im just testing the parts and im just about to install win on there
edit: i flashed with awdfl833d
edit2: whats the temp bug with the Neo2 does it show higher temps or lower? and is there a way to monitor vdimm ?
It shows higher temps like 265 degrees. With 1.6 - 1.8 bios the bios will lock up when i try to view temperature in bios when it reads 265. In 1.9 and after bios the bios setup wont even load.
So if bios wont load i cant set settings and so ussually cant get to windows or anything.
No way to monitor vdimm from windows or bios. But you can use a digital multimeter to measure vdimm look back a few pages for pics.
thanks, i guess i dont have a temp bug, thaught i might since cpu is 40c stock in bios, but its a stock cooler (i guess i forgot it sux :) )
The e6 Venice are single core manchesters. The original venice was a E3 the san diego i have no idea if its E6 or E4/5.
So the E6 does have the 1T issue just like the san diego. So you can use 1.8 with 1t fix or the 1.9/1.A3 bios files to use 1T or just force it on start up using athlon 64 tweaker.
Good news is the E6 venice cpus look to be great cpus and will do good clocks on less voltages than the E3 venice cpus.
edit = cpu-z says san diego is E4, Revision = SH-E4
1.8 1T fix was no good either, 1a3 is dope, but for now my cpu doesnt seem to be too great i just tried 2600 and with 1.55v its erroring after few min in prime, the temps went up to alsmost 65c but thats on a stock newcastle heatsink so well see when i put everything in my case and stick my XP90 on it
thats really wierd man that 1T thing./..
when you boot does it say your memory is 2.5-3-3-8 1T or whatever you have it set to in the bios.
I've never heard of the 1T/2T actually missing.
ya all the settings were as i set them but like i said i had no 1T option after few reflashes and clearing bios few times, even with battery out, psu unpluged and drained
thanks for the info sideeffect thats defiantely good to know.
one disapointment is lack of power on by keyboard :( (or im blind)
no thats gone
no temp reporting in this mod BIOS version is also availible .
Revision 1A3 MOD4
Links/info through this post
http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=59711.0
Thankyou syar2003.
The 1T fix bios wont show 1T on bios boot. It will however be set by the time you get into windows. You can check this by opening up a64 tweaker.
65 degrees at 1.55 volts and 2700 mhz seems very high. Are you sure the heatsink is mounted correctly. I got lower temps with my san diego on air and that was with stock cooling at 1.52 volts 2750mhz and the san diego has the extra l2 cache warming things up.
The E6 cores are manchester based so they have a starting voltage of 1.3 volts not 1.4 like the other venice chips so they shouldnt need the vcore.
Try reaplying the heatsink pehaps change the stock fan for a 80mm fan and then set volts to 1.4 volts and overclock from there. I bet the errors your getting are from heat rather than the cpu not being able to do 2.7ghz.
there is another thread about the max heat limits of the cpus and a program has been made to show this. They think its something to do with how well the heatspreaders are applied and can effect your overclock so try out the tool HERE
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Originally Posted by Lestat
dont tell me it was in there and they took it out? :(
>>>>sideeffect
k mabey the 1.8rev3 1T worked then, i used it before i installed windows, now im on the 1a3 mod and i like it for the timmings, and also one strange thing with the 1.8 and the 1.3 (that was stock on the mobo) is that my CDrom wasnt getting detected most of the time on secondary or primary chanel but with 1a3 its all good.
ya it does seem a bit high for that cpu to run like that i heard they were pretty cool running, but it must be cause of my setup under my desk on the mobo box and no other fans around, anyway like i said in next couple of days its going in the case and i have a XP90 so well see what it does, my Newcastle with 1.75v goes up to 50c with it.........i just got to decide will i use my ddr booster or just do the 3.3 rail mod, just annoying that i cant monitor vdimm
i have been fighting with this mb for a long time this bios is the best yet it does every thing i put at it.. and also i use winflash all the time never once had a issue just make sure u click every option. and the the 1t is in there
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i would use the DDR booster the motherboard doesnt like the rails being changed as lestat will vouch for.
You can monitor vdimm by using a digital multimeter check this picture
HERE
I think youll find its set .05 volts above what the bios sets. So 2.75 volts will be 2.8 volts real.
Quote:
Originally Posted by msimax
Nice clock msimax. Tell me were you having problems with the 166 divider before using 1.A3 bios? I have problems with my 166 divider and i hope this bios will sort it out ill try it tommorow.
jesus chrsit dude your desktop is not a download and storage location.. you know what having that much crap on your desktop does ? wow....
clean that crap up and use shortcuts
oh and btw ... i hate you and your friggin Negative cpu temperatures ... :P
i was havin probs. it would go to 265htt anything after that it would radom reboot so i used to set it at 260 with the 166div and then i win i used clockgen to bring me back up but its pain to do that all the time. now it boots all the time at 320htt 166 div. i never had this prob till i got 1gig memory i used to use 2x256 bh5 so now i happy for now :) :)
my HTT seems to crap out at a measily 270. If i isolate the board it fails Prime at that speed and SuperPi goes out the window too. I may just have to sell my AGP card and this mobo and get a DFI with a PCIE...
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Finally got some good memory from Crucial and am now stable at a decent enough clock so i can chill out now. Ram has flashing LED's too :stick:
http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//cpu-z.jpg
Cpu-z validation
i hate you dude i really do...
and i hate my 3200 venice
dont tell me 250 is the best you can get out of the XMS extreme
all i want is one good chip and i'll be at peace with myself.
*sidenote*
hey how were your results with the 1.36 Rev 4 im getting slightly better memory and cpu clocks out of it. vs the 1.8 rev 3.
my mushkin redline 4000 should be here today woot woot!!!
K8N NEO2 Plat. (7025) 1.A4 BETA
http://forum-g.msi.com.tw/thread.php...544#post141544
so far they are saying its no different from 1.a3
Quickboot still does not work properly, which means it still counts memory.
Deactivating IDE channels does not work, one guy deactivated unused IDE channels went back in and they were active again.
other than that have to wait longer to see what they say.
i for one dont see this as being anything more than a redone. refuxor'd 1.9 maybe good for X2's but only for certain people.
If I'm still on the older BIOSes with a Venice do I have anything to gain by switching to these new (seemingly unstable) ones?
yes instability.
INstability lol
hey nweibley
im using the 1.36 Rev 4 modded bios and its working great. i was using the 1.8 rev 3 and it worked good but for ME atleast the 1.36 works better. slightly better not a huge amount but it is giving metter ram speeds and cpu speeds. meaning clocking higher.
What BIOS? and are u having problems?Quote:
Originally Posted by nweibley
1.9 and 1.Ax, the newer bios, don't seems to work better than the old ones..Quote:
Originally Posted by nweibley
although for the past week i have been running 1.9mod official and 1.A3 the last 2 days.. i didn't notice any problems so far.
Has anyone managed ~230mhz on the memory with tight timings while using a divider? I picked up some value VX and a booster, and even 200mhz at 2-2-2-5 fails when using a divider (both 133 and 166), yet I can go to 230 1:1. I'm currently using 1.8rev3 bios.
Perhaps I should have gone with some tcc5/tccd. :(
Edit: After more testing, memtest works without errors at 230 1:1 2-2-2-10 and I can boot into windows, however, I can't even run SuperPI at 200 1:1 with 2-2-2-10. Any ideas?
more voltage?
Does any bios report accurate temps. for Venice?
Hey sideeffect
dude i have a very similar combo, as in the rams and board is same, only im on a 3500+ venice
could u give me details of ur settings and bios, the default bios wnt even boot 220 FSB :(
im on crucial ballistix PC4000, any help would be appreciated, i need a bios recomendation?
also should i stick to 2T or move to 1T?
and could some 1 tell me the default volts for a venice 3500+
Thank You all
ali
Default Vcore should fall between 1.36 and 1.38 volts.Quote:
Originally Posted by desolator
and do NOT run 2T your performance will suck balls. since you have pc4000 you should be able to run 250mhz at whatever the ram says is defulat cas timings and volts. i dont recall if ballistix is old bh5 or new tccd.
if iot fails then drop your cpu multiplier down and down so that the cpu stays at stock.
you more than likely either got bad ram or a bad overclocking cpu.
do some testing to find out which one it is.
right now i have my mushkin redline pc4000 BH-5 running just fine 260 2-2-2-5
i am also noticing that the system doesnt like a memory divider for whatever reason.
dont forget that the value vX requires lots of juice. even though your running on a divider it shouldnt need extra volts BUT! ask in the OCZ section this is the wrong place. i think the ram rejects it.. i dont think they like dividers but i could be wrong.
my redline is goofy i havent come close to figuring it out.
Hi desolator what type of Ballistix are they cause it makes a difference. Look at the packaging if it ends in 503 then they are rated cas 3 at ddr500. If it ends in 505 they are rated at cas 2.5 at ddr500.Quote:
Originally Posted by desolator
I have tried both and they are the hardest ram ever to get stable on the neo 2 in my opinion. Totally illogical ram.
The 503 will be single sided if they are 512mb sticks. The 505 will be double sided.
503 sticks wont do cas 2.5 at anything decent but will do cas 3 up to the 270 mhz range. 1T or 2T makes no difference. Use 1.8 rev 3 bios. set cas 3 trp 3 trcd 3 tras 8 in bios. Set 1:1 and set voltage at 2.7 volts. Set 250 HTT and 3x HTT multi and they should boot.
505 sticks set cas 2.5 trp 3 trcd 3 tras 8 2.7 volts, 250 htt 1:1.
The neo 2 overvolts the ram and the ballistix dont really like voltage so 2.65 volts or 2.7 is the best bet.
Ballistix dont really like any of the dividers except 183 so try and stick to 1:1 if possible.
503 sticks clock better for mhz got mine up to 273mhz @ 2.65 volts. They only work in cas 3 though.
505 sticks limit at about 260mhz but at 2.5. Cas 3 doesnt help.
Since 3.3v rail = vdimm mod is soldered to the cap does that stabilise the voltage or does it stay the same as 3.3 rail, mine fluctuates over .1v under load so wouldnt really like my vdimm to act like that. Unfortinatly im not sure how good my booster is also since i tested it long time ago on a abit AN7 and it was fluctuating over .2v witch is even worse, so im stuck dont know what to do before i stick everything in the case. I guess ill end up soldering a wire to the measuring point and seeing what is more stable.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sideeffect
lestat what can u tell me about this that the mobo doesnt like the rails being changed? and what are u running with the BH5 booster or mod?
Spread Spectrum disabled
htt multi lowered to 3x
Multi's tried 8x-11x
vcore tried: 1.38-1.47
vdimm: 2.7/2.65
Bios Upgraded to 1.9 (latest)
ram tried in all 4 slots
still no boot above 215 fsb :(
btw there is this thing in dram config called
maxmemclock which was 200 by default, i figured tht was holding me back so i upped tht to 250, still no diff :S, any 1 got more details on max memclock?
some 1 help me :(
well
1)
if you had read even the last page and a 1/2 of this forum you'd know that 1.9 is crap
2)
you'd also know that 250mhz does absolutely nothing but drop your memory down to 100mhz
3)
you sound as if you have a long road ahead of you for learning about these systems and what it takes ot overclock it.
You cant just raise the fsb and expect things to work. or raise the vdimm and vcore a :banana::banana::banana::banana:hair.
how about you start out by actually listing what your hardware is so we inturn know what directions to give you.
you need to go to the overclocking section also, those guys there are gunna be the ones who will be able to help you, this section is specific to the NEO2 board.
your issue is, and im sorry, a lack of knowledge.
again i didnt mena to ofend you, sometimes i just dont have the mentallity to sit and write out a novel for you to read where i try and show you every little step that you need to learn in order to overclock your system properly.
k ? dont be offended.
L
with 1.9bios the board will fail to boot with out of spec rails (3.3v, 5v, 12v). with 1.8 or below bioses its fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Millyons
thanks TMM.
Does someone know does vdimm become just like 3.3 rail or is it more stable since the rail is soldered to the capacitor, does that stabilize it or is there same fulctuations on the vdimm as on the 3.3 rail
thanks
Millyons -
There will ALWAYS be fluctuations in the vcore and vdimm. the only way around it is to do a hardware mod with really good voltage regulators installed.
normally people will get a .01 all the way up to .1 fluctuations.
.1 is bad,,, this will definately cause lockups and reboots.
I am running with the DDR Booster
i have the OCZ Powerstream 600watt and if i raise my 12v 3.3v or 5v rails out of spec. then the system ,, or rahter the bios goes pfpfpfpfpf and no boot.
right now i may try the 1.a3b4 as i need to experiement with the boot sequencer.
i have a Promise TX2 IDE controller. If i hook one of the drives up to it the system will not boot to anything, only the memtest floppy,,
A dos floppy wont boot, linux wont boot ( Grub WILL LOAD, but thats all, which makes it even more goofy, like very very goofy), Windows wont boot, Windows CdRom wont boot. for some reason only the memtest86 floppy will boot.
But once i disconnected my Raptor hooked to SATA 3, and the hard drive connected to the Promise controller it booted fine.
I should have done one at a time but i was getting angry cuz i was afraid i would never boot to anything like the romchip was toast.
err sorry sir :$
oh well, never too late to start, and btw this is only my second system tht id be OCing, first was an intel tht i OCed totally with a friends help so expec me to be majorly n00bissh
ok so my specs:
Amd 3500+ VENICE week 19
MSI K8N NEO2
Leadtek 6200 128mb 128bit (unlcokable pipes)
crappy generic 40 watt psu, 16a on the 12v rail, 25A on both 3,3 and 5V
200GB seagate IDE
and air cooled case, with stock amd hsf for now
and the reason i dint get 1.9 is, tht i don have a formatted floppy ryte now with me, so i cnt do the bootable floppy trick, instead i just used live update for windows, and i dint get an option to install 1.8 tht way
ill try n read up more on the OC section,
so please, help me, enlighten me
thanx ali
ok
1)
you will never do anything with a psu like that so forget everything until you can afford a psu. MINIMUM 25v on the 12v rail.
Go to Newegg and grab a Zippy/Emacs PSU they are very generic looking but underthe hood is ohh so very much NOT generic,
2)
you need to list your ram.
3)
the cpu only supports up to 1.45v so set that and then use the 3.3% over VID.
3a)
you should be able to overclock the CPU up to and past 2.5ghz with only 1.4-1.45v
this is normal pretty much all venice chips can do it.
4)
If you have tccd based ram then you can overclock with 2.6 or 2.7 or 2.8v on the ram, up to 250mhz or higher 2.5-3-3-10 set the mem freguency at 200. not 166 or 133 or anything else.
5)
turn off spread spectrum
turn off aggressive timing
turn off ATI.Nvidia speedup
your really not gunna be able to do much with a yucky psu like that. i really dont recommend doing anything but running stock speeds until you can upgrade that.
what type and kind of ram do you have and what sizes, 256 ? 512 ? does it have chips on 1 side or both sides of each stick ?
what slots do you have them in you want them in the 2 slots closest to the cpu aka slots 0 and 1.
start there, let us know the ram and gog et a better psu tomorrow is you have a good pc shop in town and can afford it.
:D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
err sorry fornot mentoning the rams
i got Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC4000, i knw they aint great, but were the only 1s avilable locally, and i should also let u knw i do not reside in the us rather in Pakistan, thts why im on a crappy generic PSU, the only branded 1s here are antec which are ripoffs. Like $170 for a 550 watt and $120 for 480 watts :S
im ok with keeping it at stock for now, id be upgrading psu within nxt week hopefully, and also i was wondering is there anyway to update this boards bios thru windows, as in the odler versions.
and thnx for all the help lestat
yes you can download an duse Winflash.
ive only used it once long ago so i cant remember how to do it.. maybe one of the other guys can help ya.
you could always have an american or euro friend buy one and you pay him and ship it to you.. that would be cheaper maybe.