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MSI Radeon HD 6950 & HD 6970 listed in France
http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/h...-listed-france
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=5673
400€ and 500€... how are GTX 570 and 580 prices in France, for comparison?
http://www.neox.fr/Composant-Informa...4.html#_A15849
490.23 € for GTX580
What's more interesting is the availability date for 6970, which is Dec, 23rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
http://www.neox.fr/Composant-Informa...05.html#_index
http://www.neox.fr/Composant-Informa...5.html#_A28104
Found these. :p
Edit:
Wow, über ninja'ed.
What is that:confused:
i was gonna say the NDA lifts on Dec 15 and the pic above shows that ;)
Bypass TDP switch :confused:
edit : Maybe Dual-bios ...
break speed of light barrier switch :)
Neliz on B3D hinted to this: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...ning-preview/2
I don't get it though.
more like Orgasm Switch. Touch and press for Instant Orgasm. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
/jk
Dual Bios with an OC bios, more free ... :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by andos
But it's maybe something else, I don't know ...Quote:
The card features a pair of BIOS chips with one BIOS designed specifically for extreme cooling that 'fixes' cold boot, cold slow and thermal shutdown bug issues, according to MSI.
The title on the slide is a bit long for Dual Bios Switch, I'm sure it's dual something but Bios seems too easy. If they have the info and intend to tease, I doubt anyone would release a slide and blank out something that would be our obvious first guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
huum, overvoltage switch ? dual phase ( same as gigabyte motherboard )? but i don't see why put it on reference board..
We know the card use a new DrMos chips anyway . maybe on reference with it.
It's a turbo switch. :rofl:
Perhaps it is some sort of OC enabler, but I don't see why such a thing is needed. Dual Bios sounds kinda freaky for a reference card. Still the slide does have DU--- in it.
dual bios with voltage unlocks?
From the pic it says 'Du' which i believe is Dual "something".
What else could it be other than BIOS?Quote:
Originally Posted by migunani
Du.. something ...switch.Quote:
Originally Posted by migunani
And then:
* Switch ******..dates.
* Switch ****** default.
Which words fit and end with "dates"?
Dual crossfire bridge?
Its the Go! Go! switch.Quote:
Originally Posted by slaveondope
For reference see "Munsters Go Home" Munster Mobile coffin racer.
Updates? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by -Boris-
Switch for automatic driver updates?Quote:
Originally Posted by -Boris-
Switch for automatic BIOS updates?
Sounds unlikely. But updates seems to be our best guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by migunani
http://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi...g1=let&org2=sl
Liquidate or validate? :p
Dual BIOS sounds the most reasonable and we want to be reasonable? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by slaveondope
*****..nd
use...***
End user?
Dual Bios switch allows end
user *********?
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/ite...runs-at-880mhzQuote:
Radeon HD 6970 runs at 880MHz
1536 ALU stream processors
We got some official date about Radeon HD 6970 card codenamed Cayman XT. The card runs at 880MHz and the card has the memory that runs at quite impressive 5.5Gbps. The memory of choice is GDDR5 in 256 bit flavour and the card has the whole 2GB of it.
The card has 96 texture units, as well as 24 SIMD and 1536 ALU streaming processors. It has 32 ROPs and 128 Z stencils.
Cayman Radeon HD 6970 uses VLIW4 Shader Architecture something that Bobo explain in details here. We can confirm this story today.
Total compute power of Cayman in this version is 2.7 TeraFlops under IEEE754-SP standard and 675 GigaFlops with IEEE754-DP standard.
It is unknown if the card is slower of faster than the GTX 580 but this given presentation didn't really looked into it. The indication is that Cayman wont be faster than GF110 products, but in this presentation, ATI didn't showed any Radeon HD 6970 performance data.
I wonder what chinese people doing lately. They usually leak info very quick.
I am disappoint. :|Quote:
Originally Posted by Borden
Why? Theres no performance figure out yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Boris-
Dual or triple x-fire switch?
His take on fuad's newsQuote:
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Not false, Fuad conveniently leaves out the low TDP at which this is achieved, let's say it's not even close to the 300W the NV propaganda machine promoted.Quote:
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Originally Posted by A1xLLcqAgt0qc2RyMz0y View Post
Radeon HD 6970 runs at 880MHz and has only 1536 ALU streaming processors not the 1920 that has been widely quoted in this forum.
True or False?
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/ite...runs-at-880mhz
Noo! Fudzilla again noo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Borden
We must put that web in the SPAM filter :shakes:
It looks like Nvidia will get to keep the single gpu performance crown let's hope at least it manages to edge out the GTX 570Quote:
Originally Posted by Borden
IF this is 6870 and not 6850 then it won't compete with GTX 580.Quote:
Originally Posted by migunani
But on the other side, that means that AMD still follows their strategy with upper mid GPUs that isn't to big, but earns them money. Which I guess is good news, AMD need more money, both from GPUs and CPUs.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Borden
"We got some official date about Radeon HD 6970 card codenamed Cayman XT. The card runs at 880MHz and the card has the memory that runs at quite impressive 5.5Gbps. The memory of choice is GDDR5 in 256 bit flavour and the card has the whole 2GB of it."
Fuad is always providing something to laugh about
so...no 1920SPs? :(
don't like that exhaust vent so tiny, should ditch that dvi port.
It's also quite funny that he says the information is OFFICIAL. Why don't he post the source then since it should be an AMD representative..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ztx
What!!! It's a clitoris?Quote:
Originally Posted by migunani
AMD's strategy is to stay behind Nvidia in single GPU setups and go ahead of them with Dual GPU cards. Why it works is that AMD can create smaller and more efficient chips and stack two of those on a single PCB relatively easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKM
Smaller is better. Defect rate increases to the square of the die size, so they need to balance on the sweet spot and will probably aim rather lower than higher performance, if it just means smaller die.
Though, < 1600 SPs sounds very surprising for a HD6970. Then again, VLIW4 + 1920 SP rumor has been going quite much for half a year, and was at least partly true. Late minute changes?
if that was true no one on this site would have found it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by s1nykuL
looks slightly disappointing and contradicts with leaked prices which suggest performance on par with 580 but maybe these prices were exaggerated
in the end it all boils down to price/performance/watt but if it's noticeably slower than gtx580 AMD left out a big opportunity :(
on the other hand the slightly slower but cheaper strategy helped amd gain huge market shares in the last few years
Nice One :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
One thing is certain. AMD still manages to keep everyone confused until the release date.
so a gtx570 is more than 20% faster than a gtx480? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by fudzilla
epic! :D
you make it sound as if thats a good thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by -Boris-
On Vantage it is. also, on meth it is. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I honestly do not believe that 1536SP is right, as we know it's going to be larger in size than Cypress and we also know that Cypress has 1600SP. Unless, they quadrupled everything else... and that does not make any sense to me either...
6950 have 1536SP, not 6970! Stop read FUD:banana::banana::banana::banana:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoran
I really hope the price/performance ratio is great. Otherwise we will be stuck with overpriced GTX570 and GTX580 (and 69x0 cards, obviously) for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by generics_user
Hopefully you're correct. 1536 does look very disappointing, indeed. Still less than Radeon 5870 has. Hard to believe that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dezmen
...where did I mention that I believe it???? :cool:
if the 6970 is 1536, how many would the 6950 have? and how much performance per SP is needed for it to have a 15-20% gain over 6870 with about 20% lower clocks?
Maybe that switch unlocks it's turbo mode, allowing it to clock itself as it wishes on a higher TDP?
DIGITIMES
As Nvidia has launched its latest GeForce GTX 570 GPU as well as reduced the price of its 400 series GPUs, AMD is set to launch its new Radeon HD 6970 and 6950 GPUs in the third week of December, according to sources from graphics card makers.
However, initial shipment volumes are expected to be limited, the sources noted.
The sources cited its testing figures and pointed out that the GeForce GTX 580 has better performance than AMD's new Radeon HD 6970, therefore AMD is expected to price the GPU US$50-70 less than the GTX 580 to cover the disadvantage.
If I do some simple calculations:Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Assuming 1 NI SP = 0.95x 1 EG SP,
Barts Pro: 775 MHz x 192 SP (960 SPU) = 148800
Barts XT: 900 MHz x 224 SP (1120 SPU) = 201600
Cayman XT: 880 MHz x .95 x 384 SP (1536 SPU) [rumored] = 321024 = 1.59x Barts XT
Taking around 20% lower clocks from 6870/6970,
Cayman Pro: 725 MHz x .95 x 352 SP (1408 SPU) [speculation] = 242440 = 1.20x Barts XT
(that also gives Cayman XT = 1.32x Cayman Pro)
lol i should have known you would do the calculations.Quote:
Originally Posted by iMacmatician
the issue is that perf per $ for barts pro and xt show the xt as being much better, but simply does not seem to be that way in real tests (too much memory limitation keeping them quite close)
the barts xt is 35% higher in SP perf, but the price is only 26% higher, so its really tough to speculate on real life just with SP perf.
http://h-5.abload.de/img/switch_pdfom24.png
Chuck Norris mode switch?
Number of SPs is completely irrelevant because of the changes in the architecture. It's like trying to compare CPUs by their clockspeeds alone without being clear about the IPC. Sure, it can give some indication but it's far off at best.
MSI HD6970 listed.
Part number R6970-2PM2D2GD5
MSI HD 6950 listed
Part Number R6950-2PM2D2G5
http://www.neox.fr/Composant-Informa...D5/A28105.html
€496 for a HD6970.... ouch!
hmmQuote:
Originally Posted by kadozer
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=5720Quote:
The -20 to 20 slider is a %, you can adjust the power of your card in the overdrive tab by 20% up or down.
the 250W is the maximum board consumption, but the non-OC power consumption is 190/200W.
Cayman can actually clock almost as flexible as any modern CPU, so it can run at 650 MHz or 800 MHz during benchmarking if you enable Powertune
I sure hope 6970 doesn't have disabled units like GTX480. Now that would be a major fail in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
In case you guys missed it I just found the MSI version of the HD6970 listed on a french website for just under 500 Euros...
The HD6950 is also there for 396 Euros.....
I am NOT liking those prices.... :shakes:
You probably want to avoid websites displaying made up prices then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
Looks like a Sinking Ship with no one on the Rescue!
How much is that French website selling the GTX 580 for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
Yeah think it's at this point definitely a case of there was something wrong, but from what OCUK is saying (thank god someone is saying something!!!) it's not all bad!! Also bit late for people to get for Christmas.
In case you missed it, and you did miss it, it was posted and discussed 2 pages ago. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
I do not think these prices are final. Plus, it's France. I am sure the prices will be much lower on Dec, 15th, once decent availability is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
You are right .. i did miss that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
I could not find a 580 on the same site for comparison so I am hoping for BS :up:
Better than the trollboat. Hows that working out for yah? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBreezyBB
Troll boat !! :ROTF: Nothing of that sort. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
nothing is confirmed yet...
Pre-release price slips are usually a lot higher than what they actually end up selling for. It's like this is you guys' first GPU launch or something. C'mon, it's the same crap every time.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
Obviously some shops want to catch up uninformed people with those prices, maybe someone buys at it.
I thought this would fit here
Source
http://data.fuskbugg.se/dipdip/F%F6r...0HD%206900.png
This is from the largest swedish computer site and thier "close source to AMD" is saying that 6950 will have 1440 streamprocessors. I still think 1536 SP count is the right one. And i might add that they were wrong about the 6870/6850 specs 1 week before launch and that was from the same "close source".
So far originally Fudzilla reporting the 1536. Now we have Edison from Chiphell and that site showing a lower SP count than other rumors. The though of Fudzilla actually being right this time kinda threw up in my mouth a little.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoran
Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
As someone said a page ago, Neliz from beyond3d confirmed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kadozer
True or False?
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=5693
If this is true, we should be trusting that forest guy a lot more, because he leaked those specs a month and a half ago. Also I think SKYMTL might be vindicated to some extent telling you guys to real back your expectations a bit and you guys just hammered on him when he was just trying to do you guys a favor.
He would of gotten all the credit too then he goes a step backwards in credibility with that joke badly photoshopped slide he posted as his source.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
That tree-guy was also one of the first with a Juniper card as well so I believe he could be trusted (he posted a picture of it).Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
U guys know that i was talking about the 6950 right? So lets say 6950 has these 1440 SP and 6970 has 1536, so why does this Faud guy keep saying its a "big hot chip". If 6970 is below 1600 SP count and using 4vliw wich saves 10% chip space, then i can not see why 6970 would be any bigger than 5870. These things just confuses me , were STILL on 40nm here.
Yes and there are more rumor places pointing to 6970 being 1536 now. As for Faud, he has lousy grammar and likes to cover his bases is all I can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristers Bensin
1440/64=22.5 SIMDsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kristers Bensin
So they didn't get the 6950 spec correct either. 1408 would be possible though.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=4519Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristers Bensin
According to this guy who seems to have the cards way before hand and said the 6970 has 1536 shaders, we can inference the 6950 might have 1408 shaders.
1408 is it
It is simply impossible. SP count in Cayman should be divided by 64. 1440 does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristers Bensin
On another note for AMD buyers, doesn't the 5870 possibly sound like the much better buy at $250 now?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...x=0&y=0&Page=1
I think unless cayman xt ends up 60% faster than the 5870, it is currently the way better buy and it would be better to buy them before they went out of stock if your still on 3870 or maybe 4870.
most look like 270 after rebates, which makes some sense considering the 6870 is 250Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
I always say that if people aren't worried about power/heat, the last gen's high end cards when EOL are a pretty good deal for the budget conscious
Too bad 5850's are still hovering $200 cause they're still a killer card
It's amazing what competition can bring to the landscape. Who has missed such price drops for some very relevant hardware.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Well people get caught up in the numbers and think that "oh that's old news"Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
It's less true for new architectures of course, but when the 5800's were released, $100 4850's and $190 4890's were incredible deals
normally I would agree but in the case of the 5870 it's a toss up based on the games you play. the 6870 tends to be pretty close when Tesselation is involved so I would say it is a better future choice over the 5870 which has lackluster tess performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
as for the 1536sp's for 6970... that would be plain disappointing... considering that would put both the 6970 and 6950 with LESS shaders then the 5870 and 5850, yes the performance per shader is vastly better but by how much with lower clocks...
but come to think about it the same thing happened with the 6870, the consensus and rumors for the longest time were that it had 1280 shaders and it was not till a few days before the launch that we found out it only has 1120. kinda the reverse of the 4870 effect.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1480Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristers Bensin
A Dual Front End (Double Tessellation Units), 24 SIMDs with 16 more TMUs and beefed up ROPs will add to the die size even if they save 10% from shaders with the new VLIW-4 architecture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aten-Ra
IMO Cayman is designed with DX-11 and Tessellation in mind and by keeping the small die size philosophy.
20% more performance than Cypress in DX-9/10 and 2x performance in DX-11 Tessellation with a small die size and at the same lithography (40nm) is a nice engineering accomplishment ;)
i think that the 1920SP rumor was born with the 384 SIMDs
people simply took 384SIMD*5D and ended up with 1920SPs and this number just stayed in the rumor mill even though it was 384 SIMD*4D
Clocks are higher - 880 and 800 vs. 850 and 725Quote:
Originally Posted by '[XC
Plus, it isn't shaders are equivalent - it's actual SIMDs
1536/4 = 384 > 1600/5 = 320
If it takes 1536 shaders to perform better than the GTX 580 then I'm down...
Not only is 384 more than 320, but hasn't there been rumors about improved ROPs aswell?