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At least they probably have the most experience!
It's only 3 months, so what, that's enough to review and test their security mechanisms...Quote:
Originally Posted by Erklat
That's the least the gov can do, check and test their reactors... if only to calm down the public
Thx, so they are fine but one of the reactors in the other plant is also running a bit hot...Quote:
Originally Posted by dctokyo
I'm really worried about the spent rod pool...
Inaccuracies aside, those 'points' are gratuitous. A fair assessment of nuclear power would also consider the alternatives and their drawbacks (which incidentaly are similar).Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
That really seems like a major design flaw too me.Quote:
Originally Posted by generics_user
That together with non-tsunamiproof basements with sensitive electric connections that prevented them from using auxilary power sources for the cooling seems like one of the major reasons for this catastrophe.
Edit: storing spent fuel rods inside the reactor buildings seems really stupid too. At least they should have been stored somewhere inland. That would have protected them and their cooling system from the tsunami.
Thorough safety checks might actually help more than you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
From what have I seem & read over the years safety on many of the old nuclear plants can be rather low. The worst I have heard so far is probably something that was mentioned on a newscast on Monday: On one nuclear plant in the US the backup diesel generators that are supposed to be able to support cooling of the plant in the case of an emergency had been in an inoperable state for a period of 20 years (from 1986 to 2006)!
Our government depends on the consent of the operators to turn them off. They should've never extended the life of those nuclear power plants in the first place... But hey, we don't have enough energy and energy would be more expensive if we had not done that ... NOT. Energy from coal plants is cheaper and would be way more cheaper if the operators had to insure the nuclear power plants correctly and had to pay for the final disposal of the nuclear waste. Instead, they let the people pay that and subsidize nuclear power this way. Germany produces way more energy than it needs, even when those eight old power plants are taken off the grid. What our gov is doing now is pure actionism in fear of the coming elections. The next election will be in Baden Württemberg and their top dog there is know to be a fan of nuclear power. They fear losing the elections in BaWü, that's all. They don't care about the life of us dirty peasants.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
All the CDU/CSU and FDP does is for the good of the shareholders and companies. Yesterday they said that security now has priority over econimical reasons. Wait? Security wasn't more important than the money purse of the big companies before the Fukushima accident? Hypocrites.
Guys...according to current numbers, Tokyo radiation level 20x higher than normal...
Compared to Chernobyl where radiation level was 1000x higher than normal...
tokio is 250km from fukushima...Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoking
this is a serious accident and no one knows what's going to happen next
sure you can't expect graphite fires and a fully exposed reactor together with contamination of an entire continent like in chernobyl
however it's very likely that this will result in a serious contamination of ground water for many years and we still don't know if they're able to refill the spent fuel pools,
PS: don't forget that some of the seawater they pump into the reactors over the next few days (or weeks) is going to vaporize and transport nuclear particles to other countries in asia
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/a...022999421.html
Talk about being brave :eek: :clap:
Status of quake-stricken reactors at Fukushima nuclear power plants as of Wednesday evening
The following is the known status as of Wednesday evening of each of the six reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant and the four reactors at the Fukushima No. 2 plant, both in Fukushima Prefecture, which were crippled by Friday’s magnitude 9.0 earthquake and the ensuing tsunami.
Fukushima No. 1 plant
—Reactor No. 1 - Suspended after quake, cooling failure, partial melting of core, vapor vented, building damaged Saturday by hydrogen explosion, seawater being pumped in.
—Reactor No. 2 - Suspended after quake, cooling failure, seawater being pumped in, fuel rods fully exposed temporarily, vapor vented, building housing reactor damaged Monday by blast at reactor No. 3, damage to containment vessel on Tuesday, potential meltdown feared.
—Reactor No. 3 - Suspended after quake, cooling failure, partial melting of core feared, vapor vented, seawater being pumped in, building housing reactor damaged Monday by hydrogen explosion, high-level radiation measured nearby on Tuesday, plume of smoke observed Wednesday, damage to containment vessel likely.
—Reactor No. 4 - Under maintenance when quake struck, fire Tuesday possibly caused by hydrogen explosion at pool holding spent fuel rods, abnormal temperature rise in spent-fuel storage pool but water level not observed, fire observed Wednesday at building housing reactor, no water poured in to cool pool, spraying of boric acid being considered.
—Reactors No. 5, No. 6 - Under maintenance when quake struck, temperatures slightly rising in spent-fuel storage pools.
Fukushima No. 2 plant
—Reactors No. 1, No. 2, No. 4 - Suspended after quake, cooling failure, then cold shutdown.
—Reactor No. 3 - Suspended after quake, cold shutdown.
This is still something very serious... Think about the workers still working in the plant, risking their lives to prevent something else from happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoking
Sorry, guys. I take my words backQuote:
Originally Posted by WaterFlex
According to http://mu.jklmnop.net/japan/
the normal level is 15-18 cpm
According to experts Tokyo will be fine even in worst case scenario because of the height that the radiation would reach only ~500m even if the reactors exploded and wind blowing towards Tokyo. Ofc they'd still face higher than normal levels but not any serious health danger.
Here's some good info http://ukinjapan.fco.gov.uk/en/news/...s&id=566811882
EDIT: If you donate to the japan red cross bank account, does it matter if I donate in my own currency or should I use yen?
Can any of our Japanese friends confirm this? I hope it's not true.
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com...rticle-15.htmlQuote:
Japan has banned all its government agencies, including its nuclear regulatory and protection agencies, from issuing any statements about the nuclear crisis situation in Japan, according to Yochi Shimatsu, former editor of the Japan Times.
Statements will only be issued from the senior level of the Japanese government.
"Article 15" is an article unfamiliar to most Japanese, including most Japanese journalists. It is apparently an emergency regulatory clause that allows the senior levels of the Japanese government to stop other Japanese government agencies from communicating with the public and news media.
If it gets this chaotic situation on statements and news in to check, I don't see that as bad thing. It will ensure that data goes to who needs it most first. There is too much sensationalist journalists boosting their readings with at worst fully untrue news and even in most cases with full of mistakes.
+ Avoiding potential confusing or even paranoidism of when people spreading false info that they think is true. So it's not only a negative thing in case it's true. The information should be provided quickly to those who NEEDS it though.
True, but hey they are doing at least this... nobody else is doing anything at all so far... the arrogance and stubbornness is amazing... nobody wants to accept that this COULD happen in their country as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
Well, why is this happening to begin with?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanical Man
If the gov would have held regularly press conferences telling people what's going on, nobody would pay attention to random blogs and rumors...
Censoring all communication only makes things worse imo...
It won't stop blogs and rumors, it'll result in even less reliable news getting out and more rumor spreading...
And Tokyo being safe even in a worst case scenario... sorry I don't buy that...
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/16_41.html
They aborted the attempt to refill the spent fuel rod pool VIA helicopter cause radiation was too high?
Is this a joke? Radiation is only going to get worse if they don't refill it...
And supposedly the radiation was 50mSv?
Wtf? And that's too high? I thought the plant was around 400mSv and that's not health threatening?
My guess is the radiation is much higher than 50mSv ...
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/16_44.html
Good!
Us is installing equipment to measure radioactivity at fukushima.
I hope they make all results public and offer a live stream...
Doesn't matter, even when they would given them realtime information, there would be hundred of people who would say it isn't ture, all lies and spin there own stories and influence other people to belive it and maybe even a bigger news company gets notice of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
The japanes have my utmost respect, because they still stay calm and disciplined in such a situation, there no looting, no riots, no fighting about supplies even in the regions that got hit the worse... if any other country in the world would have been hit by that there would be such things on a large scale...
Even after chernobyl's runaway melt down and closure the quarantine/uninhabited zone is largely relegated to like a 20 mile perimeter of the facility, Tokyo should be safe. With how things are sounding it makes you wonder if they should just cut their losses on the plant at this point and bury the facility in sand and concrete like chernobyl.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Not that I would want to be that close to a damaged plant but we're all going to have to deal with potential Nuclear incidents at some point considering all fossil fuels are a finite resources. Demand for electricity from the grid is only going to continue to increase world wide as will the rate of fossil fuel depletion there are not allot of alternatives in the long term.
If you live in florida you pretty much have Nuclear plants tokyo distance from you wherever you live in the state.
Ok, Guys.
Japanese goverment was denying landing of russian airplane with the best nuclear experts onboard for about 10 hours...
But now there is good news: russians entered Fukushima !