G.Skill PC2-6400 HZ with d9gmh @ 60e.
Shall I buy them? or too much?
The guy that has them now tell me that they can play @ 1000 for 24/7 and @ 1250 for benching.
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G.Skill PC2-6400 HZ with d9gmh @ 60e.
Shall I buy them? or too much?
The guy that has them now tell me that they can play @ 1000 for 24/7 and @ 1250 for benching.
My UT P35 was able to run my newest D9 FlexXLC kit at 555FSB 666MHz C5 PL8.
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/9...5pl8flexxl.jpg
i found a set cm2x1024-6400c3D G for sale 2.40V ver1.1 has this memory d9gmh chips or d9gkx?
there's no difference between d9gmh and d9gkx
There was a HUGE difference between my GKX and GMH kits - I reckon these particular ICs were binned pretty tight.
I've owned no less than five kits - two GKX and three GMH, all Cell Shock. Both my GKX kits could do 4-3-3-9 at 950MHz with about 2.15v, whereas all three GMH kits struggled to get above 900MHz 4-4-4-10 with 2.1v. The GKX kits did 1100MHz 4-4-4 with relative ease and were also much better with CAS 5 overclocking.
Here is a pair of my Corsair Ballistix PC2-8500 running at 2.28 volts. I have about 1.34 volts on the northbridge. These are 24-7 numbers below. Im weird I rotate between 5-7 kits for these settings. I never had any degradation or a kit burning out.:) Super Pi results for 1M are 10.5x
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3683/660memory.png
1 of my crucial dominators... I mean ballistix has died. I ordered some g.skill pc8800 PI heatspreaders 1.8-1.9v. They were the last kit of its kind in stock. Only need to overclock them 30Mhz to 1130 to test my q9550 at 4Ghz.
I think crucial had a higher failure rate than others using the same chips? I have RMA them and will probably get some crap back. I rma'ed the pair still running on my other pair.
here some warm-up guys, got 20sticks of corsair dominator, began to test with the best of them, Corsair dominator 10000, 1250 mhz 5-5-5-18
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6...1200c4232v.jpg
What vdimm you using for 1200 4-4-4 :eek: My GKX (when the other module was still functional) needed 2.3v for 1100 4-4-4 benchable.
I didn't realise dominator was D9, but now I see that the PC10000 kits used handpicked GMH ICs which at least explains that they even get to 1200 4-4-4. :D
Just picked up a 2x1GB kit of Cell Shock 1000 4-4-4 so I'm back in the game (until they die lol :mad: ). If I could run 500fsb with DDR 1200 daily I'd be a happy camper. :yepp:
Good work aslanwas, which board are you running?
Can you include MemSet next time please? :)
Where did you get all these kits?
It's good to see some people still pushing DDR2 D9! :up:
I switched to DDR3 currently ( actually, I haven't done anything in the last 3 months ), but I'm sure I will be back to D9GMH/GKX one day, I still have 3 DDR2 kits I never tested... :rolleyes:
my first D9GKX did 600 CAS4 with 2,6V :D
Thx mate, Board P35-DS4, but is going to dy or i am going to kill it :shakes: :D (max freq. is about 1400 with these RAM, with a P45, i think i could get over 1600 under cold :D:D:D:D)
I got these sticks on ebay US, but had to pay over 230€ for all of them, but it was worth as i can see :D:D:D
don't worry, be happy :yepp:
aslanwas
gj :up:
Nice results. Haven't busted out my D9 stash in quite sometime.
Here is some Buffalo Firestix Pc2-8000 D9GKX. Running 1100 CL4 @ 2.28 volts. Not sure why it is not picking up the proper model in memset.
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4459/110044412.png
Here is 2x512MB of Team Xtreem Dark Pc2-6400 D9GMH running @ 2.28volts. Im going to try to push these guys, since I don't mind killing a couple 512 chips:)
FSB 560 1:1 560 4-4-4-12 PL9. Im impressed with the tight timings with PL9
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/191...6644412pl9.png
chad - why don't you use 2:3 multiplier?
I have 2*512Mb Micron PC4200 to test, mounted with D9GCT chips :cool:
I just got another Cell Shock 8000 C4 kit and dang it's good. 1200MHz 5-5-5 at 1.98v. I'm sure it'll Do 1000MHz 4-4-4 at around 2v but have yet to test it. Not taking it over 2.1v for bench runs, and as for daily use I want it no higher than 2v.
Nice find Lenny, they're great kits.
I wish I could find another CS2221440 kit :(
It was on ebay for like a whole week before I decided to buy it. Based on previous "preowned" Micron D9 kits I was skeptical, however the previous owner of this particular kit ran it at 800MHz 4-4-4 @ 1.8v... I was like LOL you kidding? That kit will be virtually brand new when it goes in my system, and it jolly well is - straight into memtest at 1000MHz 5-5-5 1.9v and flawless pass. :cheer:
Question regarding CAS and PL - because my CPU has such a low multi (8x) I have to run really high FSB for bench runs, and consequently my memory has to be 1:1.
I got 10.2 seconds 1m at 4.6GHz, but this was DDR1150 at PL12. Will PL10 and/or tighter primary timings make much difference to the bench?
here she is:
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ys/spi4600.png
You're running PL12? I never quite understood why people could run very low VDimm at such clocks, but this explains it I guess.
Performance product of this run isn't very good, you should be able to run PL10 or rather PL9 in any case to get your efficiency improved. :)
Nice kit nontheless, it's a shame Cellshock is gone. :(
Yes but can I beat 10 seconds with PL9? :D I agree, Cell Shock were the best DDR2, no contest. LOVE the look of their modules, and the performance is outstanding.
Tomorrow I'll try PL10, maybe even PL9, and we'll see... :yepp:
I'm happy to have four of their kits as well. The blue DDR3-1866 is very beautiful in my opinion. :)
Unfortunately I don't have a run with similar settings, but I did 9.830s at 4650MHz with my E8600 ( 10x465MHz, 5:6, CL4, PL7 though. ).
Oh, and I ran the special F4-PI Bios for my UD3P which improved efficiency in 1M a lot.
9.83 seconds at 4.65 is amazing, but cas 4 PL7 explains that lol. :up:
I tried PL10 at 575fsb and got a BSOD loading desktop, but that was with 2.1v on the memory. Do I need more vdimm for DDR1150 1:1 PL10? I always thought that PL being a chipset latency would require more chipset/fsb voltage.
Don Dan not sure what you mean about the association between PL and vdimm for a given ram speed. In my understanding, PL only affects the MCH and has nothing at all to do with what vdimm is required fpr a given ram speed. At least that is the case with my extensive testing.
For example I have run DDR2-1200 | 5-5-5-15 | trfc 30 | PL8 at 1.97v with a Cellshock kit and the same timings/speed at 1.93v with my best Team kit, both totally stable. I have also passed SPI32M at 650 MHz at <2.25v with both kits, using PL8.
That's awesome, especially tRFC 30 :eek: - was this at 500fsb, and are your Teams GMH or GKX? The general opinion on D9 seems to be that GMH is better than GKX for high MHz cas5, and since I've only ever had low binned GMH/high binned GKX I can't say from experience. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
I've been at PL10 since getting these Cell Shocks, and now I'm trying PL8. I've upped the vMCH one increment and have taken vdimm down to 1.96v, still stable. Woot. :up:
Thanks for the input CryptiK, maybe I have been mistaken all the time. :(
I always was under the impression that running tighter PLs requires both an increase in vMCH and vDIMM. I never did undervolting tests, so I don't have any data about how my kits fare at ~2.00V. Something I know for sure is that I degraded one of my Anniversary Kits when benching during the holidays, it won't boot with less than 2.00V.
Now I have some more things to check when I get back home, it has been almost 9 months since I played with DDR2 D9 for the last time. Time to get back to good old D9.
I have a new and unused TeamGroup 1066CL5 kit that will be perfect for these tests.
btw, nice sig image Lenny :up:
LennyRhys, CellShock is not the best DDR2 provider ;)
GKXs used by them are great @ CAS5, but @ CAS4 there're a lot of mems better than CS
that's because of very different steppings used by cellshock, I've had 1000 C4, 1000 C5 and red devil - all the same: pretty CAS5, crappy C4 ;)
In my opinion Team Group rules :D However it's hard to decide, there's too much of good rams ;)
They are the best DDR2 kits I've ever had. :p: The best kit I've seen was a Ballistix kit doing 1000MHz 4-4-4-12 below 2v (:eek: ) and it was D9GMH.
I've not pushed this kit at cas 4 and will probably hold back on the vdimm for a while - don't want this to happen :explode2: :D
people say that CellShocks die very often because of too high voltage. that's not true.
they die because of too high temperature. they just throw out tones of heat :D
if you'll supply good enough fan you can easly give them 2.45V
I've got this on my memory. Cell Shock have nice looking heat spreaders but they do get very hot :yepp:
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ooler_fans.jpg
With this fan installed your cellchocks can easly work with 2.25V, and 2.4V for testing I think
I had A-Data Vitesta Extreme 1066+ with micron GMH chips which did the remarkably on my opinion 665MHz on AMD controller and 2.42V.
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9357/everest1333.png
I think I have screens of the whole desktop but I'm not quite sure I'll find them. The problem with the AMD memory controller was that it could not be stabilizer above 1200MHz no matter the memory can do it. Now the chips are dead and are on resurrecting program in the fridge. I hope it works...
P.S. I got them out of the fridge and Oh, miracle, they work again. :) After the resurrection they managed to be semi stable over 1300MHz not only on Everest but on almost all benchmarks.
@ LennyRhys- how much MCHv/VTT you running currently? For 550+ @ PL9 or 10, I need 1.38v VTT and 1.46v MCHv on my MIIF... I can run 1.35VTT and 1.42MCH with PL11 and lower still for PL12..
Im not sure if I'[m allowed to be doing this here but I dont have access to the for sale section yet. Hopefully nobody we'll be mad. But I have a set of Corsair 2x1gb DDR2-800 with 3-4-3-9 timing that i know have at least GMH's on them. I have not been able to test them to the max because i dont have a 775 board anymore. I have had them at 1280MHz at 5-5-5-15 at only 2.2 volts though and they were stable. I dont want to part with them on ebay so I figured someone here might be interested. If you are please PM me. If i wasnt supposed to do this, im sorry.
Actually I found a pic of them
Well I ran many settings just testing, but 24/7 was 500 FSB / DDR2-1200 at the above timings & vdimm. My Team Group kit (the one that does 1200 @ 1.93v) is unknown, as I've never removed the heatspreader.
Well I can say for sure on the boards I've tested, including DDR3, I've never needed a vdimm increase to retain stability at a given ram speed when reducing PL (tRD). Sorry to hear about your anni's degrading.
Both Team and Cellshock make great kits. Cellshock just stand out for their build quality, their heatspreaders are second to none. That's why they get so hot - they are actually working!
I beg to differ. The OCZ Flex II heatsinks are the best in my book. Work great on my Ballistix. I'm even building a little mini loop to use on them for benching runs.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u...l/100_1152.jpg
Flex II as air heatsinks? Never thought that would work, but hey.
I don't know of any brand other than Cellshock to use thermal paste in their memory modules - this explains at least partly why they are so dang hot! :yepp:
cellshocks HS is perfect opposite of HR-07
can take heat, but cannot spread it
hr-07 can spread tones of heat, but can't take it ;)
One of my Cellshock "Red Devils" died. Came home to a lovely STOP error on my Win 7 machine faulting memory management. Ran memtest and got one error right off the bat in test #1. I was only feeding them 2.2v and they had active cooling. I'll try the freezer trick, but I'm not hopeful. Good thing I have plenty of other D9 to replace them.
This is what happened to my ram. I was running memtest regularly and getting no errors, and at the time I had my 680i board so high MHz, low timings were a must. I ran them 950MHz 4-3-3-9 but needed 2.17v to do it, and even with active cooling this killed one of my cherished D9GKX sticks (still sitting on my desk).
I'm never putting more than 2.1v though my current set, but to be honest D9GKX is wasted in my current rig because it's doing 1076MHz cas5 lol. Maybe I should go 5-4-4-12 or something more "D9-ish" :D
I tried the freezer thing a few times but it didn't work, not in the long run. :(
Cooking them works sometimes.
Corsair Dominator PC9136 @D9GMH + Asus P5N-e : nice BP :D
Tested with vdimm @2.42v, vNB @1.74v
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2466/everestmaxbp.jpg
The poor mobo was at maximum, she's actually dead after 4 years of hard overclocking :(
Woah! That's incredibly tight timings for 620 MHz. Kind of low volts to :up:
Hye dudes :D
That's the highest I've been able to screen ...gone up to 740mhz with ET6 but crashed lol (sorry no BW test or validation :/ )
http://www.kirikoo.net/images/1EeKy%...302-143624.jpg
Umh I'd like to be able to touch something like that on the T2RS+ now ...this famous UD3 is dead now 'cus of bad insulation etc under SS :(
Only did a very few testings before burning it : I'm really sad cus it was a pretty good memory clocker -_-
not many people overclocking D9's with amd?
this was fairly stable, i ran super pi and maxxmem without issues. @2.3V
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...ge/ddr1333.jpg
this was more of a suicide run @ 2.4V
one stick died in the process of finding the right setting for this. blue screen right after validation :rofl:
it was later revived with a heatgun.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1072736
Today i tested my GoodRam Pro on micron d9gkx. They make 1440 Mhz with CL5 on 2,5V:yepp:.
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/1088774.png
They are really nice
Thx Cryptik :D that was my first real failing though :/ (SS noob powered) was'nt really cus of bad insulation tbh,
than better sayin a bad habit of being faded/tired/stoned at night when workin on my hw ;) ...restarted the system after leting it warming up :yepp:
But now don't wanna go X48 :/ I'm studying P55 atmo and 1100C8 is good enough to me on my FTW ^^
I wanted to enter the 700 club ? I did it !! Very quickly lol
It's nice when goals are achieved, congrats on the 700+ MHz :up: At least the board died for a good cause.
I've been testing some DDR2 again as well, this time I was clocking memory on my newly acquired Asus Commando. It's a great board! :up:
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9...ucialanniv.jpg
( Please excuse the voltage, it's enough for a MaxxMem run at 590MHz... ;) )
Wow! Great job on Commando mate ;) makes me wanna ride it again but borrowed to my flatmate for a temporary rig :(
I always forget to try low latency :/ ...it stucks @666C5 for me with gmh but gat to check cas4 sure :yepp:
Very nice Don_Dan, massive write bandwidth especially considering the FSB. A SPI32M coming up perhaps?
Nvidia chipset :up:
Thanks!
I had a lot of fun once I put in my 45nm cpu, it's easier to push high FSB speeds.
Thanks mate, strap tweaks ftw! ;)
Weather forecast says it's going to rain tomorrow so I'll run some 32M!
You should mention that write and copy bandwidth are way lower.... ;)
As promised, here is a 32M run at almost the same settings. Had to relax subtimings a bit, and I had to lower NB voltage because it crashed after loop 10 to 12 a few times before I concluded it was the NB. I think I'll revisit this board with some Thermalright chipset coolers.
No maxmem and no cw of course, only LSC enabled.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8...dr21150cl4.jpg
No one seems to be interested in what I'm posting... hm...
Well, here's an Everest run on P45 so you can compare it to the Commando. Should have run PL9 though.... :rolleyes:
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/570/unbenannt2va.jpg
Then another run at max clocks, this time with PL9:
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8163/unbenannt14.jpg
Read bandwidth is so bad, I'm really embarassed.
You would think with the latency that tight with Cas 4 your read times would be 12K.
Dondan try 5-4-4-9
IM INTERESTED:DQuote:
No one seems to be interested in what I'm posting... hm...
@dondan,very nice P45 results,the read score seems about right to me.
my read scores always averaged about 270-300 below my write scores.
Yes, this is what leads me to think there's something wrong with it.
On 1:1? I tried it on 5:6, but this kit doesn't like it, I top out at about 645MHz and scores are worth than CL4, and 5-5-5-15 scales higher and scores higher.
Thanks for your comment!
Take a look at it again though, read is not 300 but almost 1300MB/s less than write and copy.
PL8 and 1:1 is a no go, PL8 and 5:6 I tried up to 530 or 535MHz.
Today I played with it on 5:6 with settings CL5-5-5-15, PL9:
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5650/unbenannt19.jpg
This is the highest speed for Everest, MaxxMem was possible at 685MHz.
Then I used setFSB and managed to get up to 700MHz.
Here's a validation and a screenshot:
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1...hanniversa.jpg
I was still able to start MaxxMem but it crashed halfway through. :(
@Don Dan,WOW!! my math was way off on that one. i see it now,definitely something not right there.very strangeQuote:
Thanks for your comment!
Take a look at it again though, read is not 300 but almost 1300MB/s less than write and copy.
are you on a x64 OS? or x86?i know with my scores that the x86 would yield much lower copy scores but never low read?
I'm on XP Professional x86.
I tried the performance enhancements in BIOS ( Standard, Turbo and Extreme ), all they do is tighten the subtimings, of course they have a positive influence so I have been running Turbo for the above tests. Extreme fails to boot.
Any more ideas guys? I still want 12k across the board!
You can run PL8 on 2.00D if your using cas4, Ive used it up to ~560fsb for benching but never tried for any bandwidth numbers. The profiles also do a little more than just tighten the sub timings because the bw numbers still go up even when the sub timings are all preset the same for each profile. This is generally only the case with 2x1 kits though as with 2x2 kits theres no difference between standard and turbo. Extreme takes alot of mch to use and only does ~50mbs over turbo so its generally not worth using. If your using a bios newer than F10b you need to switch back to an older one.
I found myself in a rare mood of hardware nostalgia, so I thought I'd bust out my old DK X48-T2RSB Plus and some Team Group PC6400 C3's.
I posted this in a separate thread but I thought I put it in here too. Here's the results.
Timings: 5-5-5-15 | tRFC 42 | tRRD 3
Test run - 670 MHz | PL8 | 2.45 vdimm
http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...I32M669MHz.jpg
675 MHz | PL7 | 2.496 vdimm
http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...I32M675MHz.jpg
680 MHZ | PL7 | 2.544 vdimm
http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...I32M680MHz.jpg
I wanted to get >680 MHz SPI32M stable since not many people have managed to do so. I was hopeful this kit could do it, and it didn't disappoint. The board did well too. I'm going to stop here, raising the voltage anymore would be reckless and things weren't scaling well anymore so gains would have been minimal.
SPI32M @ 683 MHz (DDR2-1366 MHz) | 5-5-5-15 | tRFC 42 | 2.656 vdimm
http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/w...I32M683MHz.jpg
I managed to eek this out with my newest Team Xtreem DDR2-667 C3 kit using 2.45V BIOS set (=2.49V real). I guess putting a fan over the MCH helps eh?
http://i4memory.com/members/genan/al...m-team-667.jpg
what Hoss331 said.i forgot on the ud3p using the 400 strap 1:1 and cas 4Quote:
Any more ideas guys? I still want 12k across the board!
you can run pl8 stable,but if you set cas 5 it wont boot at pl8
it might just net you the triple 12's your looking for
Thanks for your help guys!
I'm on BIOS F9I.
PL8 with 1:1 divider is not worth it, since I couldn't run PL8 at 590MHz anyway, so I can use 2.00B. I don't think it's strap or divider related, both settings I have shown should be over 12k read.
As said above already, 1:1 and cas4 is useless to me, since 400 strap, 560MHz CL4 and PL8 will be worse than 333 strap, 590MHz CL4 and PL9. Don't you agree?
I receive 2*1Gb OCZ Reaper HPC PC8500 this week.
I'll see what TPower i45 is capable to :)
I didnt mean 560 was the max for PL8, thats just the highest ive been able to test it so far since all I use are quads. With a dual it may or may not go to 590, thats what I was hoping you could tell me since you have a higher fsb limit. If it will go to 590 it should do more bw than 2.00B PL9.
This run is made with 2x512 Kingston, probably D9GKX ram.
DDR2 1300 5-5-4-5 2T
http://hwbot.org/signature.img?iid=3...se&iehack=.jpg
I wish I played a little more with maxxmem, 900 isn't too far away.
Congrats, that's a very nice score! :yepp: :bows:
I guess I can post my best backup now, since you have taken it down by far... :p:
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2...dr21186cl4.jpg
Thanks!
Gained more than 100 marks on switching to dice, I will probably re-reun this benchmark next time cpu tastes cold :) Must tweak nb more..
Are these results any good ? :D Done with Cellshock 1000MHz 4-4-4-12 D9GKX kit ;)
http://www.hwbox.gr/images/imagehost...55c8eaf323.jpg
http://www.hwbox.gr/images/imagehost...70cbfac74c.jpg
here is my result with my ocz sli pc8500 d9gmh but i can't get the ram over 1214 cas5 so i have to set it 525 cas4 2.24v. how can i go up with this ram?
ps: i'm on air on q9400
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...3016_12172.JPG
I was relieved to see you needed dice to take it down. :D
MaxxMem with the CPU on ln2 would be very interesting.
Clocks are decent but what's your PL? Bandwidth seems low and latency is very high.
You mean on 5:6? Your quad might be limiting you, did you test max FSB?
PL is 8 for SPi 1M run and 5 for MaxxMem benchmark ;)
500MHz 4-3-2-3-3 PL8 with "loosened" sub-timings only requires 2.35V. In order for me to tight the sub-timings that much I fed them with 2.65V :D
Bandwidth is indeed low... Can it be 'cause of the chipset ? Because P35 and X48 have tighter internal latencies than X38 ;)
Some results with a pair of Team Xtream 1066 cl5. GMH if i'm not mistaken.
http://forum.lab501.ro/attachment.ph...2&d=1263138642
http://forum.lab501.ro/attachment.ph...0&d=1266749313
http://forum.lab501.ro/attachment.ph...4&d=1258350105