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12-12-2007, 04:04 PM
awhir

so what was the no-nozzeld no bowed d-tek like in temps compared to the supream
12-12-2007, 05:15 PM
Navanod

I'm confused Malik...in your earlier post, you were comparing a BOWED dtek's flow rate to the Supreme...

in the 2nd, you switched to a non-bowed, non-nozzled?
12-13-2007, 12:30 AM
Malik

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navanod

I'm confused Malik...in your earlier post, you were comparing a BOWED dtek's flow rate to the Supreme...

in the 2nd, you switched to a non-bowed, non-nozzled?

Sorry for that - i have wrong info.

Now is all ok and here are all results: LINK
12-13-2007, 04:25 AM
jarogniew

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malik

Sorry for that - i have wrong info.

Now is all ok and here are all results: LINK

for sure

numbers in that link are delta T water temp/cpu

Dtek is new from box, non-bowed non-nozzled

ttested on E6750 @ 3800MHz @ 1,45V

stressed with orthos for 30minutes, temp measure with coretemp

wc setup: BWA123UV (magicool 360mm uv radiator), swiftech MCP655, swiftech MCRES-Micro Res, tubes 10mm/14mm and Swissflow sf800
water temp was measure with TES 1314

thermal compound: AS5

each block was mount 4 times and on chart is best mount only

ps. sry for my poor english
12-13-2007, 06:26 AM
RLM

Not necessarily questioning these findings, but would like to see some other people's results as well.

If I'm to put my results against these results, then the non bowed without nozzles fuzion is also quite a bit better than the GTX as well.

RLM
12-13-2007, 08:07 AM
Navanod

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malik

Sorry for that - i have wrong info.

Now is all ok and here are all results: LINK

Thanks for the clarification...sadly, i'm not able to understand most of it...still, the charts spoke for themselves.
very interesting...:)
12-13-2007, 10:25 AM
Jupiler

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garrett

Well I also tried the vertical mount, it results in 1, maybe 2 degrees c higher temps... nothing dramatical but for me I'm going back to the horizontal mount :)

Now I'm curious what temps Jupiler will get with his block... hope he lets uw know ASAP :p:

Noticed no difference in temps between horizontal and vertical mounting.
Made an 1.5 hour run of Prime on my 6750 @ 3700, 1.40V.

On both mountings, temps were fluctuating around 47-48° on both cores.
Maybe the way of mounting won't affect temps that much on a dual core.
12-13-2007, 10:37 AM
awhir

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jupiler

Noticed no difference in temps between horizontal and vertical mounting.
Made an 1.5 hour run of Prime on my 6750 @ 3700, 1.40V.

On both mountings, temps were fluctuating around 47-48° on both cores.
Maybe the way of mounting won't affect temps that much on a dual core.

it wont on dual core only on quad core .
12-13-2007, 10:39 AM
Jupiler

Well,
it was worth a try anyway. :)
12-13-2007, 01:20 PM
MrToad

Thanks for linking the results of that test ^^

Pity that everyone but RLM seems to favour dual cores over quad cores to test it.

TBH I'm more interested in quad performance. Even the original Apogee managed rather well with my X6800.

However, I'm finding the QX6850 an altogether completely different beast.
12-13-2007, 01:54 PM
Jupiler

It's not about favouring a dual core vs quad core to test it.
Not everybody has a quad or 2 rigs with different cpu's. ;)
If the Supreme would have fitted my board, I certainly would have tested it on my quad.
But ATM, I don't have the time to disassemble 2 rigs to test the block on a quad.
12-13-2007, 04:38 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malik

Sorry for that - i have wrong info.

Now is all ok and here are all results: LINK

Thanks for posting:up:
12-14-2007, 07:30 AM
jammin

i hope the supreme fits on the foxconn mars!
12-14-2007, 07:59 AM
MorGo7h

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jupiler

Well,
it was worth a try anyway. :)

Sure it was! :o
12-14-2007, 11:05 PM
Parad0x

EK Supreme CPU Water Block @ Overclock3D.net :fact:
12-14-2007, 11:39 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parad0x

EK Supreme CPU Water Block @ Overclock3D.net :fact:

Thanks!:up:

Although I'm not sure I understand the pressure drop data or testing, it was still interesting.

It looked to me like they only had one guage and were simply measuring a single point of pressure and flow rate. The pressure vs. flow rate would still represent a relative bit of information where higher the pressure the more restrictive, that's good...but the pressure drop piece didn't make sense. For pressure drop you need to measure pressure on both sides of the block simultaneously (two guages) or use a manometer with a + and - input. Regardless I was still happy to see some flow rate type testing included.
12-15-2007, 01:21 AM
Jedda

I loved the bit where he defended the fit probs of eddy's custom water block by pointing out that many users of custom cooling used custom cooling.
Gawd!!

"Although, in defense of EK with regards to the compatibility problems, many overclocking enthusiasts tend to do away with manufacturer solutions, and instead opt for their own custom cooling."
12-15-2007, 01:41 AM
jayhall0315

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinm210

Thanks!:up:

Although I'm not sure I understand the pressure drop data or testing, it was still interesting.

It looked to me like they only had one guage and were simply measuring a single point of pressure and flow rate. The pressure vs. flow rate would still represent a relative bit of information where higher the pressure the more restrictive, that's good...but the pressure drop piece didn't make sense. For pressure drop you need to measure pressure on both sides of the block simultaneously (two guages) or use a manometer with a + and - input. Regardless I was still happy to see some flow rate type testing included.

I agree with Martinm, need to see both guages and the delta T info frankly looks wrong. The Fuzion is already approaching the near maximum of what is possible with water cooling at ambient temperatures (for the 50 ~ 150 watt output range at 1.5 ~ 2.5 gpm flow rates), so I am very suspicious from a thermodynamics point of view with regards to the delta T difference seen in the Overclock article.

Jay
12-15-2007, 02:00 AM
karl_eller

I wonder when the guy over at OC3D is going to ditch that Camry heatercore and pick up a real rad, ideally an MCR320 or a PA 120.3. It doesn't look like it'd have enough heat dissipation to give the most accurate results.

Eller
12-15-2007, 03:39 AM
Jedda

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

UFB,

You have to be kidding me. Just got my new shinny EK Supreme just to find out I can't mount it on my CPU with the correct orientation becuase it won't fit between the NB and Mosfet cooler on my Maximus Formula.

With all the stuff I've done with WC, that has to be the biggest nuckle headed blunder I've ever seen. Right up there with plated AL tops.

EDDIE!!!!!!!!!! When can I expect the correct mounting plate (and don't even tell me I'll have to pay for it) so I can turn this 70.00 USD paperweight I'm looking at into something I can use? YOU HAVE PM!

andyc

Eddie has been extremely straight up in my dealings with him. Its a real pity this blunder occurred but he'll get a refined plate out as fast as he can, I believe.
12-15-2007, 04:52 AM
jarogniew

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinm210

Thanks!:up:

Although I'm not sure I understand the pressure drop data or testing, it was still interesting.

It looked to me like they only had one guage and were simply measuring a single point of pressure and flow rate. The pressure vs. flow rate would still represent a relative bit of information where higher the pressure the more restrictive, that's good...but the pressure drop piece didn't make sense. For pressure drop you need to measure pressure on both sides of the block simultaneously (two guages) or use a manometer with a + and - input. Regardless I was still happy to see some flow rate type testing included.

Im also interested how they measure pressure drop with only one guage. I think they measure pressure vs flow of setup with pump, then measure same thing in setup with waterblocks and subtract it from 1st data (only pump numbers)... i hope u get it :shocked:

I have 2 guages and flowmeter, so if u ppl want i can measure pressure drop vs flow today/tomorrow and post numbers here.
12-15-2007, 05:09 AM
headala

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedda

Eddie has been extremely straight up in my dealings with him. Its a real pity this blunder occurred but he'll get a refined plate out as fast as he can, I believe.

As someone completely objective (i don't own EK anything, and don't plan on buying anything for a while) it seems to me that Eddie has been very good about balancing having things out quickly vs. fixing things when they go wrong. Example: would you rather wait another 2 months to get a Supreme if it meant that Eddie went around to his friends' houses and checked their motherboards' fit? I think most people (especially at XS) would rather have the block in their hands and have to dremel off a corner of the mounting plate to fit their mobo than wait. And, he's fixing it, so it'll be fine in the end.

Another example is that NB block for the maximus; he got it out ASAP, and it doesn't quite fit right, so he's fixing it.

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