DFI RDX200 CF-DR First look

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10-14-2005, 01:40 PM
kappa2001

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

Guys

Bear with me, im playing with overclocking at the mo and i only have 1 screen as the wife has borrowed my other so im back on forth on this monitor.

Vdimm i will check with a meter, the options are good but not quite as nice as CF-BT will be as that goes from 2.5 to 3V is 0.02V steps then from 3 to 4V in 0.5V steps.
Drive strength, 15 is max drive, we used that to hit 4dimms at 1T, regards the other settings its going to take me 40 hrs just to learn the board so i need time to play.

I will bring you as much as i can as i can, im working close with Prometheus to get the board clocking well etc as there are tight deadlines.

I won't bother you again lol

Good luck
10-14-2005, 02:01 PM
revenant

this board looks a lot like the new SLI DR expert board... in layout..
10-14-2005, 02:05 PM
Tony

I have managed to clock OCZ TCCD VERY well using the 250 upclock ratio with a SD with a 10 multi, DDR620+ seems real easy.

Now im going to work on 1:1 next to see how that does.
10-14-2005, 02:31 PM
althes

Keep the updates coming
10-14-2005, 02:41 PM
gundamit

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie

The board SHOULD cost about $189... however the vaseline vendors will get about $260 the first week...

:rofl:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

Isn't CES in LasVegas Jan 4-8th 2006?
I can promise you I will be there and I will bring you a Mousepot to give away at the booth no problems. :)

Even though you stated no industry pros, this looks like a good promotion for both parties. :up:

I'm sure a lot of people are scrambling to gather up thier matched 4x512 but the 4x512 set-up will have a hard time coming close to the performance of new 2x1gig sticks available. 4x512 seems like a nice option though when you want to go from benching mode into gaming mode and don't want to pop for the premium on 1gig sticks. :D Finally a home for all the cheap Twinmos UTT purchased over the last year.

@BigToe - Thanks for bringing this preview to XS community. Always nice to have the "pros" sharing with the enthusiasts. :D
10-14-2005, 02:42 PM
SlackeR

This looks like the board to get when this :banana::banana::banana::banana: is getting changed.
Drool :)
10-14-2005, 02:44 PM
Dani

Hmm, I think 4xMushkin RedLine XP4000 should be nice RAM's @ 1T :toast:
10-14-2005, 02:54 PM
MaxxxRacer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

Vdimm i will check with a meter, the options are good but not quite as nice as CF-BT will be as that goes from 2.5 to 3V is 0.02V steps then from 3 to 4V in 0.5V steps.

You mean .05V correct?? 0.5V incriments are nothing short of useless.
10-14-2005, 02:57 PM
gundamit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dani

Hmm, I think 4xMushkin RedLine XP4000 should be nice RAM's @ 1T :toast:

Just remember the 4x set-up won't come close to the 2x. Reaching 4x512 200HTT 1:1 is an event. I doubt the Redlines 4x512 at 250HTT 1:1 is in the cards.
10-14-2005, 03:11 PM
Master_G

How hot do those MOSFET heat sinks get?
It's a real pet peeve of mine that they are spread over the board, preventing focused cooling on all of them, im a bit disappointed to see them so spaced out again on this board tbh.
Cant argue with the results otherwise though, looks like a sweet board (not that i can afford to go crossfire so grouper is still the way forward for me)

G
10-14-2005, 03:15 PM
kamongear

Thanks for the sneak peak. I will wait until crossfire comes out to upgrade.
10-14-2005, 03:24 PM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer

You mean .05V correct?? 0.5V incriments are nothing short of useless.

sorry m8 yes, 3.55 3.6, 3.65, 3.7 etc....sorry for the mix up
10-14-2005, 03:29 PM
Tony

CPU mosfets get hot,the dimm mosfet im actively cooling so hard to tell.

Im running 307 in memtest 2.5-4-4-10 so its looking like these dimms will max out around 305 or so in windoooze

Remember some will have better dimms than I so this is just ball park tests to give you all some idea.
10-14-2005, 03:47 PM
dinos22

good going Tony..........pitty about the SATA1 controller but i guess a card would do nicely........these are already available with disties here but i think everyone is waiting for results..... so the promise of 1T 4xdimms came true.....so what was your drive strength in the end to reach 1T

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

CPU mosfets get hot,the dimm mosfet im actively cooling so hard to tell.

so what were the temp readouts
10-14-2005, 03:50 PM
Tony

I had to set 15 for the 200fsb run at 2-2-2 with 3200plat rev2, we benched it and it was 100% stable...what we did not test was overclocking.

Oskar tells me the board will do 4x1gig dimms 1T at 200 also so this may be the ultimate workstation with a dual core opty ;)
10-14-2005, 03:52 PM
J-Mag

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

all the boards are 6 layer...its more to do with the traces and which layers they are spread over.

Grouper=6 layer
halibut= 6 layer
RDX200= 6 layer
expert=6 layer

What was/is the DFI NF4 SLI/Ultra board's number of PCB layers?
10-14-2005, 03:57 PM
Tony

6 m8, they are all high quality 6 layer boards
10-14-2005, 04:00 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

ultimate workstation with a dual core opty ;)

man from your mouth into Oscar's ear about some Opteron optimisation...........i know AMD is :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:slapping people around over this but no need to tell us just hook us all up with some good Opty bioses :toast:
10-14-2005, 05:13 PM
freecableguy

I am taking a swing in the dark here but I am assuming that the DRAM drive pins from the CPU memory controller are just open source drains from the motherboard power supply DIMM regulator. Not really sure why the "15" setting is as high as it can go....care to elaborate?
10-14-2005, 05:52 PM
Tony

Seems Oskar has split his drive options in bios, we have found 7 8 work best with TCCD upto now so maybe some options are just to weak or agressive to be useful.
10-14-2005, 06:06 PM
Tony

So i had better get some more bios pics up, overclocking has to stop for the night more over the weekend.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=38607&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=38608&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=38609&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=38610&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=38611&stc=1
10-14-2005, 06:14 PM
Hound

erm...i hope im not sounding like a retard...but whats the diff between NB analog voltage and NB core voltage, and how does it affect overclocking ?
10-14-2005, 06:27 PM
pcdoc1

Hey Tony, while you're taking shots can we have a pic or two of the board?
10-14-2005, 06:33 PM
x714n

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcdoc1

Hey Tony, while you're taking shots can we have pic or two of the board?

its on the first page
10-14-2005, 06:36 PM
althes

Thanks for the updates tony.
Will like to see how the OC goes tomorrow.
10-14-2005, 06:40 PM
pcdoc1

Quote:

Originally Posted by x714n

its on the first page

Duhhhh.... Gotta wonder how I missed that. Thanks...........
10-14-2005, 06:59 PM
Vapor

Tony....you've sold me, I've been wanting to run my 3GB of 5B -D + TCCD @ DDR 400 2.5-2-2 1T for awhile now :D

Keep up the good work reviewing it.....thorough + slow >> fast + crappy.
10-14-2005, 07:09 PM
nn_step

So wheres the BT board?
10-14-2005, 07:16 PM
Tony

Ok guys i don't do much overclocking over the weekend as i try to be a husband to my wife for 2 days a week, i don't see her due to work thru the week even though i work from home here.

I will try and post more info and i do know RGone has a board now also.

Upto now we have the following results...yes they are all OCZ based but they are a good pointer.

4000EB 280+fsb prime stable
4800Plat TCCD 305fsb prime stable
VX 260+fsb prime stable

Im going to test older Hynix modules as well as old school BH5 etc later as they are not as popular, i have been assured they all will work ok.

Oskar has split the boards drive into 2, 1 to 8 for higher fsb 2 dimm work, 9 to 15 for 4 dimm 1T etc etc.So setting drive of 1 is very weak and should help with cold bug etc for those on phase. The orange slots are for 2 dimms and the yellows are optimised for when you run 4 dimms.

Thats all I can really tell you for now, i have info on cas1.5 working along with cas4 also but I need to test first to confirm they work ok....im sure they will work just fine though.

i will try and get more posted over Sat and sunday, im sure Wesley will join in as well as Rgone and by next week you will have the boards also.

I will say this board is strong, but upto now does not clock TCCD as high as the NF4 does,it does do ddr600+ but it does not scale as high. It is fine with all dimms though and works well with 4DS modules.
10-14-2005, 07:17 PM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn_step

So wheres the BT board?

November im told....as soon as I get a firm date i will post it.
10-14-2005, 07:19 PM
babyelf

thanks for the info Tony.. enjoy your weekend :D
10-14-2005, 07:22 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

Ok guys i don't do much overclocking over the weekend as i try to be a husband to my wife for 2 days a week, i don't see her due to work thru the week even though i work from home here.

I will try and post more info and i do know RGone has a board now also.

Upto now we have the following results...yes they are all OCZ based but they are a good pointer.

4000EB 280+fsb prime stable
4800Plat TCCD 305fsb prime stable
VX 260+fsb prime stable

Im going to test older Hynix modules as well as old school BH5 etc later as they are not as popular, i have been assured they all will work ok.

Oskar has split the boards drive into 2, 1 to 8 for higher fsb 2 dimm work, 9 to 15 for 4 dimm 1T etc etc.So setting drive of 1 is very weak and should help with cold bug etc for those on phase. The orange slots are for 2 dimms and the yellows are optimised for when you run 4 dimms.

Thats all I can really tell you for now, i have info on cas1.5 working along with cas4 also but I need to test first to confirm they work ok....im sure they will work just fine though.

i will try and get more posted over Sat and sunday, im sure Wesley will join in as well as Rgone and by next week you will have the boards also.

I will say this board is strong, but upto now does not clock TCCD as high as the NF4 does,it does do ddr600+ but it does not scale as high. It is fine with all dimms though and works well with 4DS modules.

Sweet can't wait for my DFI Crossfire and Expert boards - certainly have enough cpus to test them with :D
10-14-2005, 07:42 PM
IvanAndreevich

Playing with the board is good, but playing with the wife is just infinitely better. Update when you can :)
10-15-2005, 01:14 AM
5days

I dont know if this has been asked already... but, is a non-crossfire sisterboard going to be released?
10-15-2005, 02:47 AM
Master_G

Gotta say a big thankyou to Tony from everyone here for all this info, i know we all really appreciate it, enjoy your weekend.

G
10-15-2005, 04:11 AM
\Karting_freak

nice board.
anywhere i can get it for a pre-order?

what is the difference between BT and DR?
10-15-2005, 04:18 AM
tomati

if I'm right ,

the BT follow the reference ATI design when DR use the Oscar Wu design and the BT has also some special feature or tweak for memory but don't know what exactly.
10-15-2005, 06:23 AM
Tony

CF-BT is based on the ATI reference design, this started with the single x16 Grouper board and they progressed to the crossfire board.CF-BT has awesome voltage regulation and is hugely over engineered for overclocking, it also overclocks ram very well much like this RDX200 im playing with now. The ATI reference was designed from the ground up for use with extreme cooling so this should give you an idea how strong the board actually is. I have 2 here and i will not be parting with them as they are so solid.

RDX200 copies some of the voltage regulation from the ATI reference, Oskar has also applied some of the tweaks he thinks will help the board under phase change etc. Its a solid board and does overclock well but its a different beast to the NF4 board we are all so used to, when you get this board you will have to learn again what works and what doesn't.

Now i am planning a BT version of the bios, this will improve setup defaults and should be a good pointer to getting you all overclocking from the get go. This will come over the next few days.
10-15-2005, 06:39 AM
Vapor

So would you say your board will be better for us in the end? ;)

If you don't want to say it because it has you're name on it....PM me and I'll say it :D

Or if you don't want to cannabilize the CF-DR sales...well, that's understandable too.

Jason....that's the impression I've had....
10-15-2005, 06:47 AM
metro.cl

nice but i'll wait and see the nf4 xpert mobo, also i wont need to learn almost from 0 with the xpert mobo :)

thanks for all the info

p.d. i'm sure i read somewhere before that ati would made a 4 layer pcb mobo
10-15-2005, 07:21 AM
Tony

Im saying they are both fine boards, both have plus points and both have negative points. Im not going to judge them till I have both here.

Jason, the CF-BT is a direct copy of the reference board with some minor tweaks to traces going to the dimms, the board already does 300+ fsb easy.

There will be a single 16X version from many companies, Sapphire have the PURE range which features grouper, DFI tell me there will be a second BT board based on grouper also.

Abit have a board with many features copied off Halibut aslo so this may be a good clocker as well.

We will find out over the next few weeks im sure. i have been offered PURE and i can probably get the Abit also, the DFI's will come a little later.All in there will be an explosion of boards over the next 6 weeks, many have the next generation voltage regulation etc so should be a move forward.
10-15-2005, 07:22 AM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro.cl

nice but i'll wait and see the nf4 xpert mobo, also i wont need to learn almost from 0 with the xpert mobo :)

thanks for all the info

p.d. i'm sure i read somewhere before that ati would made a 4 layer pcb mobo

Expert is going to be like the RDX200, if you think you won't need to relearn then im sorry to say you are wrong.

If all boards worked the same it would be pretty boring now wouldn't it? ;)
10-15-2005, 07:54 AM
Master_G

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

There will be a single 16X version from many companies, Sapphire have the PURE range which features grouper, DFI tell me there will be a second BT board based on grouper also.

All sounds good to me, just gotta wait for the reviews and take the plunge at Xmas.

G
10-15-2005, 08:14 AM
T_M

Tony, noticed you say you tested with VX.
Any issues such as those i constantly encounter using my Ultra-D with 2.6V being fed on boot up even though 3.4V in BIOS, therefore no boot?
10-15-2005, 08:28 AM
dnavarro

Tony, I noticed the board has the 8pin PSU connector rather then the P4 4 pin. Any idea if users with power supplies from last year with the 4 pins need a new power supply? My PCP&C has 4 pins and it would suck to have to replace that.

Thanks,

D
10-15-2005, 08:30 AM
babyelf

4pin will work afaik.. but 8pin will definitely be better (they don't put it there for no reason ;))

as for PC&C u can send it back and they mod it for u @ a price of 20 if i'm not mistaken
10-15-2005, 09:00 AM
uwackme

huh?

What the big deal?

Venice/Sandy A64's are SUPPOSED to be able to do 1T 4x512M @ 200Mhz. The Winchester was limited to 166Mhz.

Call me when you get 250Mhz 1T out of 4x512M BH/CH or 300Mhz 1T out of 4x512M TCCD.

Meantime, is the Vtt issue cleared on these boards, or not? DFI needs to implement the heatpipe cooler for the chipset that Asus/Abit have. That stupid hsf on the ATI chip is just not gonna cut it longterm.

The 1,000 point drop in AM3 1T vs 2T is what, just over 1% difference? Hardly worth running 200Mhz 1T rather than 300Mhz 2T you'd get out of the same TCCDs.

Eye on the prize people.... Vtt fixed, Crossfire working, chipset cooled correctly, USB performance at least equal to NF4, and SATA raid performance.
10-15-2005, 09:03 AM
eva2000

venice and sandy were never 4x512MB DDR400 at 1T only 2T - the improvement was only to allow DDR400 with all banks populated at 2T instead of DDR333
10-15-2005, 10:08 AM
Revv23

im surprised no one has asked this yet:

so whats 4x512 utt/bh do under volts? :D :D :D :D
10-15-2005, 06:18 PM
EnJoY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revv23

im surprised no one has asked this yet:

so whats 4x512 utt/bh do under volts? :D :D :D :D

Or better yet, 4x512MB old BH5? ;)
10-16-2005, 06:14 AM
LivingL@rGe81

Have you fiddled with the memory dividers yet?

Can you get Trtw 1 to work with old BH-5 on the 13x above 250FSB?, because it never worked on 4 SLI-DR boards I owned & tested....... All other multi's were fine!
10-16-2005, 08:34 AM
Tony

I tried 4BH5 1T and didn't have much luck, it will run but not memtest stable. The stables runs were with 4XTCCD at 2-2-2-5.

4 pin connectors will work, but as mentioned 8 pin is better.

I ran VX last night and had no boot isses at 260fsb, it booted fine for 10 reboots and then 5 more after a 15 min cool down.

I have run memory dividers without issue, there should be no isses as remember the memory controller is on the CPU and that is a factor that has not changed.

I have had issues with my 4000gold, not sure whats cusing them yet so won't comment further till i know exactlyt what the issue is, as fo my 3200Plat and 4000EB kits they boot fine with the same 2gig density so itssomething weird i think probably just with my kits as they work fine on Halibut and the vanilla NF4 from DFI.
10-16-2005, 08:46 AM
Grayskull

lol
10-16-2005, 08:55 AM
LivingL@rGe81

Has the board increased your max memory clocks atall?
10-16-2005, 09:00 AM
bachus_anonym

Part of the Q I have was asked before, but without the answer...

Tony, do you have any idea what NB Core and NB Analog Voltages are for? Also, what does NB-SB Port Configuration option do? Thanks in advance ;)

Great preview... I hope you'll find the way to work those issues you've had so far :)
10-16-2005, 09:04 AM
funkflix

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony

I tried 4BH5 1T and didn't have much luck, it will run but not memtest stable. The stables runs were with 4XTCCD at 2-2-2-5.

Ok, then it's not worth for me anymore. I think this "4x512MB 1t Feature" is absolutly on his limit, no plus for the board! Near to instability, even @ 200Mhz and with TCCD. :) (imho)
10-16-2005, 09:11 AM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

Part of the Q I have was asked before, but without the answer...

Tony, do you have any idea what NB Core and NB Analog Voltages are for? Also, what does NB-SB Port Configuration option do? Thanks in advance ;)

Great preview... I hope you'll find the way to work those issues you've had so far :)

Analogue voltage i have no idea but will ask

NB core is chipset voltage

NB-SB enhanced state is reduced latency between the chipsets.
10-16-2005, 09:13 AM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by GravediggA

Ok, then it's not worth for me anymore. I think this "4x512MB 1t Feature" is absolutly on his limit, no plus for the board! Near to instability, even @ 200Mhz and with TCCD. :) (imho)

It may be just my dimms not evenly matched, keep an eye on the members posting their experiences as they may have more luck than i did.
10-16-2005, 09:15 AM
funkflix

Yep, let's wait and see what's coming up if the board is in stock and alot of ppl can test this.
10-16-2005, 06:26 PM
T_M

Love to hear more about the VX 'issues'. I know you said you wouldnt post until you know what they are, btu can you explain the symptoms?
Is it just a no boot issue, or instability, or????

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