LOL, yep was definately dissapointed with the processor:(Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
And probably higher considering you have your 3.0C running at 4.5G. You really got unlucky with your clawhammer.
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LOL, yep was definately dissapointed with the processor:(Quote:
Originally posted by pkrew
And probably higher considering you have your 3.0C running at 4.5G. You really got unlucky with your clawhammer.
When you say that, what speed is your p4 running? I am realy torn between getting a 3.0c or a refurb 3200 for a friend right now. I want to oc, but can't mod mobos, and a64 mobos seem to realy need modding before they shine.Quote:
Originally posted by Karnivore
As I said in the post immediately above yours I quoted, I no longer have either processor .
Peen, the 3200+ was a below average clocker, most aren't that bad, I still prefer, and feel the extra cache is a good thing. Although since it takes an A64 with 1 mb of l2, clocked over 2.5 to do better then my P4 the A64 really isn't worth it for me.
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Originally posted by gouda96
When you say that, what speed is your p4 running? I am realy torn between getting a 3.0c or a refurb 3200 for a friend right now. I want to oc, but can't mod mobos, and a64 mobos seem to realy need modding before they shine.
My 3.0C will run 4.5
So you are saying you needed to get the 3200 clawhammer to 2.5 to beat your p4 @ 4.5?
hm...dunno whether to go with a 3200 or a 3.0c. Trying to decide what to put in a machine I am building for a friend. On just air, and without vmods I can't figure out which would be better.
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Originally posted by gouda96
So you are saying you needed to get the 3200 clawhammer to 2.5 to beat your p4 @ 4.5?
hm...dunno whether to go with a 3200 or a 3.0c. Trying to decide what to put in a machine I am building for a friend. On just air, and without vmods I can't figure out which would be better.
No, thats not it, the 3200+ ran @2.5, it needs to run somewhere over 2.6, probably closer to 2.7 to beat the P4.
So pick up a clawhammer, seems to be the best thing
Hm...what if the nc oc's higher. Will it cost less? Seems like it performs pretty close, hell, comparing max oc's it beat the clawhammer in superpi 4m, and if it is cheaper...
Is that on AIR, if so, then what air?Quote:
Originally posted by Karnivore
My 3.0C will run 4.5
otherwise, it's silly to compare them.
edit, nvm, thought you were comparing the newcastle and the P4. My bad.
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Originally posted by boshi
Is that on AIR, if so, then what air?
otherwise, it's silly to compare them.
LOL, maybe you should make sure you know ALL the facts, and know EXACTLY WHAT I compared before making such a irrelevant, and ignorant statement..:rolleyes:
Do you even know what I compared, what cooling, and why?
Karnivore, I'm also interested in the difference between an overclocked P4(w/HT) and an overclocked A64. Considering they're similarly priced, with moderate watercooling and unmodded motherboards, whichis going to be better?
An overclocked 3GHz Northwood or An overclocked 3200+ Clawhammer?
Karnivore, your results seem to stress the importance of a large L2 cache. I am impressed that you seem to be getting a +5% increase in 3dmark performance by just an increase in L2 cache size.
I was wondering: at what speeds did you run the memory? Was it always at PC2700?
If so then the CPU will be more memory-starved than in a PC3200 config and will therefore very much like the extra cache memory.
Also, the CPU bus speeds differ, but I don't know if that is such a great difference. RAM however I am not so sure. Perhaps, once you get new CPU's, it's possible to check both CPU's at both the same hypertransport bus and clock speeds?
Does anyone know when the newcastles will show up in america? More speciffically newegg?
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Originally posted by [-Stash-]
Karnivore, I'm also interested in the difference between an overclocked P4(w/HT) and an overclocked A64.
Going to try and keep this thread on track, if you start a new thread and ask the same question I'm sure you can get some answers.
Memory used was exceptional Samsung PC2700, the single 512 stick easily did 1:1 @2.5,2,2,5 at all HTT speeds tested. So memory was not an issue.Quote:
Originally posted by mr_a
I was wondering: at what speeds did you run the memory? Was it always at PC2700?
Also, the CPU bus speeds differ, but I don't know if that is such a great difference. RAM however I am not so sure. Perhaps, once you get new CPU's, it's possible to check both CPU's at both the same hypertransport bus and clock speeds?
If you looks at my results a bit closer you will notice the processors were tested @ same HTT.
This was just an informal, and VERY time limited set of benchies I ran, mainly to settle my own curiousity, and posted results here because I figured others may have the same questions.
Gouda, I'm in the US, and so was the newcastle I triedQuote:
Originally posted by gouda96
Does anyone know when the newcastles will show up in america? More speciffically newegg?
:eek: More specifically, I would imagine Newegg has some Newcastles now, but probably wish to move the older stock. None of my local stores have any 1 meg L2 3200+ any more.
Realy? Newegg needs to get with the program. What kind of price difference do you see locally?
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Originally posted by gouda96
Realy? Newegg needs to get with the program. What kind of price difference do you see locally?
3200+ was $299.00, since the Newcastle hit the shelves the price went up to $319.00
Hmm... Did you do any memory benches with the newcastle? Since it's a CG stepping, it should default to 2T command rate compared to the C0's 1T.
Just what you see here, anything else i had was gone with my last format...Quote:
Originally posted by HKPolice
Hmm... Did you do any memory benches with the newcastle? Since it's a CG stepping, it should default to 2T command rate compared to the C0's 1T.
Hmm, do you still have the newcastle now? Do a sandra bench @ stock, Command rate 2T drops it by about 200-300MBQuote:
Originally posted by Karnivore
Just what you see here, anything else i had was gone with my last format...
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Originally posted by HKPolice
Hmm, do you still have the newcastle now? Do a sandra bench @ stock, Command rate 2T drops it by about 200-300MB
Nope sorry don't have it anymore.
NewCastles are finally at newegg...but they are the exact same price as the cw's. That stinks. I think I will be going for a 3200 cw and hope for a cg.
so the 1mb cache is better? i hope i can get it to at least 2400mhz when i get mine on a thermalright heatsink ;o
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Originally posted by tylerhskate
so the 1mb cache is better? i hope i can get it to at least 2400mhz when i get mine on a thermalright heatsink ;o
Clock for clock yes, however I would expect as the Newcastle core matures the benefit of 1mb cache will be no more, If the CW does 2.4 and the NC does 2.7, NC is going to be the winner, and since it seems the 1mb cache is being done away with so won't have much choice in the matter....
Well at least in 754...
Those score are way low for those systems, a 3000+(512k cache)/9800pro gets 19.5k in 3dmark01
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Originally posted by yuri
Those score are way low for those systems, a 3000+(512k cache)/9800pro gets 19.5k in 3dmark01
Did you miss the part regarding DEFAULT clocks on the 9800P, no tweaks or optimizations, no mention of RAM timing, Not a word on DirectX version, or Drivers? I wasn't trying for the biggest 3dM score, rather a simple head to head compare of exactly what the difference between the processors was...
Obviously the system could have been optimized and WOULD have scored much higher....
Did a Newcastle vs. Clawhammer test som weeks ago myself (original thread). Used the Hexus PiFast test:
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Athlon 64 3200+ "Newcastle" (2,2GHz, 512kB L2 cache)
Athlon 64 3400+ "Clawhammer" (2,2GHz 1024kB L2 cache)
Gigabyte GA-K8NS (bios: F3)
OCZ EB PC3200 512MB (2,5-3-2-8)
ATi Radeon 9700 Pro (324MHz/310MHz)
Windows 2000 Pro SP4
DirectX 9.0b
Catalyst 4.6
PiFast:
| Tid
3200+ |------
10*200 | 62,66
11*200 | 59,33
10*220 | 57,09
10*230 | 54,50
3400+ |
10*200 | 61,27
11*200 | 56,94
10*220 | 55,94
3DMark2001:
| Car Car Drago Drago Lobby Lobby Nature
3200+ | Sum low high low high low high
1T |--------------------------------------------------------
10*200 | 18082 261,0 91,5 322,6 170,4 246,5 112,1 115,1
11*200 | 18560 269,2 100,1 321,9 170,3 258,4 117,7 115,2
10*220 | 18698 257,0 101,5 323,0 170,3 269,3 123,1 115,4
2T |
11*200 | 18171 263,7 94,8 322,3 169,8 248,1 111,9 115,0
3400+ |
10*200 | 18456 256,8 94,7 322,4 170,0 262,6 121,5 115,7
11*200 | 19044 275,8 101,8 322,5 170,3 274,2 128,0 115,8
10*220 | 19238 268,1 105,8 323,6 170,0 282,1 133,3 116,0