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Thread: Newcastle 3200+ vs Clawhammer 3200+ review

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    Well ran out of time so I didn't get to run everything I wanted to, did the best i could with available time....

    No changes made in Bios, or OS tweaks, same memory, mobo, vid card default clocks

    K8NPro No Vmods
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    first 1m at default speeds New Castle Core
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    1m @ Default speeds Clawhammer
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    1m Clawhammer @ 2200
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    1m Clawhammer max clocks for this proc on air..
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    4m clawhammer
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    4m newcastle
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    3DM01 Clawhammer Default, 9800P Default..
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    3DM01 default newcastle, and 9800P
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    3DM01 clawhammer @2200, default 9800P
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    Wow... good testing man! That honestly surprised me... I would have figured the CH would've been a lot faster than the NC shows what I know

    So what do you think now though? You going to keep the CH or the NC?

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    last one, 3DM01 Newcastle @ 10x200, 9800P Default
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    i splitted the results from the original thread here:
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&pagenumber=1
    and made it a sticky here.

    looks like its worth to get the 1mb chips now before the 512kb ones replace them.

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    great job, looks like the 1mb cache is the way to go.

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    I Would like to see the NewCastle at 10x235 in super pi 4m also.. that would be a good compare.

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    BUT what I want to know is about the 11x multi. Say you have ram that can handle 250MHz and a chip that'll do 2750MHz. What would be the fastest:

    3200+ 1024kB 10x275 5:4

    or

    3200+ 512kB 11x250 1:1

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    Hmm, I wonder if dual channel ram will make up for the 676 lower 3Dmarks when they're clocked @ the same speeds...

    I think it should tho.

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    DC only made about 100 points difference in 3DMark2001 on my XP-M platform @ 2.0GHz with a 9800 Pro. Hypertransport may provide a difference story, but I'm skeptical.

    CPU = 2.0GHz (167*12)
    GPU = Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB (stock, 1024*768, high performance settings, Catalyst 4.2, Dx9.0b, AGP Aperature 128MB)
    RAM = Kreton T-Rex PC3500 (CH-5) 2*256MB [Single Channel]
    FSB = 167 (DDR 333)
    Timings = 2,3,3,11
    3DMark2001SE = 12,957 / 13,002 (12,981 Avg)

    CPU = 2.0GHz (167*12)
    GPU = Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB (stock, 1024*768, high performance settings, Catalyst 4.2, Dx9.0b, AGP Aperature 128MB)
    RAM = Kreton T-Rex PC3500 (CH-5) 2*256MB [Dual Channel]
    FSB = 167 (DDR 333)
    Timings = 2,3,3,11
    3DMark2001SE = 13,045 / 13,108 (13,076 Avg)

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    Interesting, what's the last 1mb chip gonna be a 3400+ or higher?

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    Originally posted by WiCKeD
    DC only made about 100 points difference in 3DMark2001 on my XP-M platform @ 2.0GHz with a 9800 Pro. Hypertransport may provide a difference story, but I'm skeptical.

    CPU = 2.0GHz (167*12)
    GPU = Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB (stock, 1024*768, high performance settings, Catalyst 4.2, Dx9.0b, AGP Aperature 128MB)
    RAM = Kreton T-Rex PC3500 (CH-5) 2*256MB [Single Channel]
    FSB = 167 (DDR 333)
    Timings = 2,3,3,11
    3DMark2001SE = 12,957 / 13,002 (12,981 Avg)

    CPU = 2.0GHz (167*12)
    GPU = Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB (stock, 1024*768, high performance settings, Catalyst 4.2, Dx9.0b, AGP Aperature 128MB)
    RAM = Kreton T-Rex PC3500 (CH-5) 2*256MB [Dual Channel]
    FSB = 167 (DDR 333)
    Timings = 2,3,3,11
    3DMark2001SE = 13,045 / 13,108 (13,076 Avg)
    Ture, but DC will have a much bigger effect on A64 performance than on Athlon XP.. (in a DC athlon XP setup the limiting factor is the processors FSB, but with onboard contorler this bottleneck is removed.) I'd say it should make up for it easily
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    This is very helpfull for alot of people i believe thx for that m8

    But i mis one thing

    Wht where the max clocks of the 3200+ newcastle ?
    Cpu: Core i7 930 @ 4.5 Ghz 1.4V (24/7)
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    Memory: 6GB Kingston Hyper @ 2150Mhz 8-8-8-28 -> 1.72V
    Graphics Card: HD5870 + EK-Waterblock
    Soundcard: Auzentech X-Fi Forte
    Boot HDD: WD Velociraptor 300 GB
    Stuff HDD: 4x 1TB Samsung HD103UJ @ Raid5 (Perc 5i + 512MB)
    PSU: Corsair 1000Watt Modulair
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    All build in a Corsair Obsidian 800D

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    No screenshots of it as I no longer have either CPU

    The Newcastle did max stable 2526 @ 1.7V Air cooled, boxed cooling, didn't get a chance to put it under the Prom.


    The Clawhammer maxed out 2500 under the prom @ 1.7

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    How bout some 3dmark01 benchie with both processor's max oc?
    E6600 @ 3.2ghz (400x8), P5B Deluxe, 2GB Ballistix DDR2-1000 @ 600mhz 5-5-5-15, X1950 Pro, Antec Neo HE 500w

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    it doesnt seem the extra 50 bucks is worth it for the CW, and it looks like most NC's OC more anyways so it makes up for the lost cache

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    Originally posted by bluestar88
    How bout some 3dmark01 benchie with both processor's max oc?
    As I said in the post immediately above yours I quoted, I no longer have either processor .


    Peen, the 3200+ was a below average clocker, most aren't that bad, I still prefer, and feel the extra cache is a good thing. Although since it takes an A64 with 1 mb of l2, clocked over 2.5 to do better then my P4 the A64 really isn't worth it for me.

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    And probably higher considering you have your 3.0C running at 4.5G. You really got unlucky with your clawhammer.

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