Nvidia will answer Hawaii, Super Kepler + Maxwell in q1 2014

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Originally Posted by aussie-revhead

I think so too, I was surpised the 780 and 770 had the same cooler as Titan, prestige was not preserved.

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exactly the same? huh i would have though the thermals would have been better on my flatmates 770, that thing screams under load or bumps 80.

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Originally Posted by gatecrasherlok

Wow that is going to be a fast reply if it does comes to fruition

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That's funny that a 4-month wait is a fast answer on Nvidia's end, but forever when it takes AMD 4-months. I'm not of you implying this, but others claimed AMD's answer to Titan was slow...when I thought it was quite fast.

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Originally Posted by solofly

Poor Amd, :banana::banana::banana::banana: drivers and now this...

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Haha, throughout history man has watched as Nvidia unleashed the new fastest GPU in the world never to be outpaced by AMD/ATI...and throughout history man has watched as AMD/ATI responded with an even faster GPU never to be outpaced by Nvidia...and throughout history Nvidia then unleashed a new even faster................................ And throughout history man has gotten a new faster GPU every year because two companies are always competing.

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Originally Posted by DefStar

Haha, throughout history man has watched as Nvidia unleashed the new fastest GPU in the world never to be outpaced by AMD/ATI...and throughout history man has watched as AMD/ATI responded with an even faster GPU never to be outpaced by Nvidia...and throughout history Nvidia then unleashed a new even faster................................ And throughout history man has gotten a new faster GPU every year because two companies are always competing.

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:rolleyes:I will 'probably' show it to you in Q1 2014

Forget paper launches, let's launch rumors from now on!

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successor of GK104, GM104 will be released Q1/14 and first Mawell IS 28nm chip, believe or not, but you will see!

I fail to see why NVIDIA would even need to do this. If the Hawaii XT card can compete or even slightly beat TITAN, all NVIDIA has to do is lower the GTX 780's price which would mean OC versions (which tend to beat TITAN anyways) would at least match AMD while offering a conceivably lower price point. Problem solved. :)

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I fail to see why NVIDIA would even need to do this. If the Hawaii XT card can compete or even slightly beat TITAN, all NVIDIA has to do is lower the GTX 780's price which would mean OC versions (which tend to beat TITAN anyways) would at least match AMD while offering a conceivably lower price point. Problem solved. :)

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I would be unsure of how easy it is to lower the price on a die as large as GK110. Nvidia didn't lower the price on the 680, why would they do it for the Titan/780.

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I fail to see why NVIDIA would even need to do this. If the Hawaii XT card can compete or even slightly beat TITAN, all NVIDIA has to do is lower the GTX 780's price which would mean OC versions (which tend to beat TITAN anyways) would at least match AMD while offering a conceivably lower price point. Problem solved. :)

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It would be mostly marketing reasons. New launches generate alot of press hype and with games like battlefield 4 being launched/bundled with the new card, there is a huge amount of potential to hurt nvidia sales. If these lose the single chip crown, it gives AMD alot of marketing power. If Nvidia were to launch something on the same day as the hawaii launch, it would surely take some of the attention away from the AMD launch.

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Originally Posted by Sushi Warrior

I would be unsure of how easy it is to lower the price on a die as large as GK110. Nvidia didn't lower the price on the 680, why would they do it for the Titan/780.

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They are reporting record margins. So not only are price cuts possible but big ones at that. I would hope that yields would have improved at this point to for gk110 since it has been about a years since these chips have been shipping to customers.

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Originally Posted by Sushi Warrior

I would be unsure of how easy it is to lower the price on a die as large as GK110. Nvidia didn't lower the price on the 680, why would they do it for the Titan/780.

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I'm guessing not particularly hard. Nvidia priced the gtx 680 (gk104 die) for a long time at the initial planned launch price of the gk110 die. So for one, that says they had a huge profit margin to sit on, and for another it suggests that they can easily price the gtx 780 at $500 (their traditional high end launch price, or at least as far as the gtx 480 that is true).

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Originally Posted by solofly

Poor Amd, :banana::banana::banana::banana: drivers and now this...

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Why poor? Finally AMD has better drivers than NV (you are lucky if your NV drivers actually play the games you want) and now they need a desperate refresh.

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Originally Posted by w0mbat

Why poor? Finally AMD has better drivers than NV (you are lucky if your NV drivers actually play the games you want) and now they need a desperate refresh.

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NVIDIA is done their refresh. Their next move is next gen products on 20nm. At this point, anything on 28nm is pretty much "current gen".

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

NVIDIA is done their refresh. Their next move is next gen products on 20nm. At this point, anything on 28nm is pretty much "current gen".

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Out of curiosity, is the gt780 really considered a refresh? As I understood it gk110 was supposed to be the gtx 680, but it wasn't ready/wasn't needed

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Originally Posted by w0mbat

Finally AMD has better drivers than NV

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The fact that they've just managed to fix Crossfire stuttering doesn't mean they have better drivers.

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Originally Posted by w0mbat

Why poor? Finally AMD has better drivers than NV (you are lucky if your NV drivers actually play the games you want) and now they need a desperate refresh.

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Hm, nvidia fixed their SLI microstutter years ago with little fanfare... AMD makes a big dog and pony show about partially fixing it YEARS late, and suddenly they have "better drivers" despite still being months upon months for profile updates and having plenty of other deficiencies? Sorry, but I disagree to say the least.

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Originally Posted by w0mbat

Why poor? Finally AMD has better drivers than NV (you are lucky if your NV drivers actually play the games you want) and now they need a desperate refresh.

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Hope you're paid for telling such BS http://forum-images.hardware.fr/imag...moderateur.gif

To be honest, there have been some issues lately, basically with all R320 or R325 drivers to some extent. Freezing (GTX 460 owners), cards not clocking down during browsing, corruption in BF3...but I wouldn't judge drivers on this alone or on a relatively short timeframe.

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I fail to see why NVIDIA would even need to do this. If the Hawaii XT card can compete or even slightly beat TITAN, all NVIDIA has to do is lower the GTX 780's price which would mean OC versions (which tend to beat TITAN anyways) would at least match AMD while offering a conceivably lower price point. Problem solved. :)

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but that would almost be admitting defeat which nvidia would never do
in the past they have just left there prices higher and relied on marketing to make most people out there believe they are getting what they pay for
why would they change a good money making strategy that works

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Originally Posted by Olivon

Hope you're paid for telling such BS http://forum-images.hardware.fr/imag...moderateur.gif

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Wow, what a great argument. Did you buy y GTX780 at start? If so, you'd know that NV drivers are quiet the "killers" when it comes to having fun with games.

I didn't buy a 780 (I bought a 7970 and later a GTX 680) but telling that AMD got better drivers than nVidia is really a good joke.
But going from your side, it's quite normal as AMD is always the best on your mouth, even when they do cr$p.

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Originally Posted by boxleitnerb

To be honest, there have been some issues lately, basically with all R320 or R325 drivers to some extent. Freezing (GTX 460 owners), cards not clocking down during browsing, corruption in BF3...but I wouldn't judge drivers on this alone or on a relatively short timeframe.

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Lately?
You missed out on the days of MMOG gaming when nvidia couldnt write drivers that remove stuttering on their cards when the ati cards did run just fine.
oh did you bake any cards lately in the oven?
just make sure your remove the woodscrews first.

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Originally Posted by flopper

Lately?
You missed out on the days of MMOG gaming when nvidia couldnt write drivers that remove stuttering on their cards when the ati cards did run just fine.
oh did you bake any cards lately in the oven?
just make sure your remove the woodscrews first.

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Do you have concrete talking points or are you just trolling?

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Originally Posted by w0mbat

Wow, what a great argument. Did you buy y GTX780 at start? If so, you'd know that NV drivers are quiet the "killers" when it comes to having fun with games.

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Utter nonsense. There is no conclusive proof that drivers killed cards.

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

NVIDIA is done their refresh. Their next move is next gen products on 20nm. At this point, anything on 28nm is pretty much "current gen".

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20nm GPU will be only a paper launch until mid-2014. The early GTX8xx will be 28nm GPU. ;)

Maxwell brings only a small increase in performance against Kepler, until 20nm production ready. Maxwell has great power efficiency, has Huma functions and is more efficient, its advantages are NOT Performance at first. It is tweaked Kepler with few new features.