Geforce GTX 570 comes soon

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11-11-2010, 09:35 AM
zalbard

480 shaders? GTX480 with a few 'tweaks' = GTX570? Amusing to say the least...
I hope the power consumption is finally in control.
11-11-2010, 04:44 PM
Levish

^ the 580 is much better, no reason a 1/5th or whatever 580 wouldn't be
11-11-2010, 05:07 PM
570091D

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Originally Posted by xdan

I expect to have a TDP of 225W, clocked at 700Mhz...
It would have even lower temperature than GTX 580.
So we will have GTX 480 performance at lower power consumption and heat.
And may be even higher frecuencys in overclocking...950-970Mhz.
Price i expect to be 369-399$.
Next would be GTX 560, 384SP, based on GF104, at 300$. :)

you can expect lower overclocking headroom for the entire GTX5xx series.

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Semiconductors are a near-perfect power-to-heat conversion device, so a lot of work goes in to getting as much work done with as little power as necessary. This is compounded by the fact that dynamic power (which does useful work) only represents some of the power used – the rest of the power is wasted as leakage power. In the case of a high-end GPU NVIDIA doesn’t necessarily want to reduce dynamic power usage and have it impact performance, instead they want to go after leakage power. This in turn is compounded by the fact that leaky transistors and high clocks are strange bedfellows, making it difficult to separate the two. The result is that leaky transistors are high-clocking transistors, and vice versa.

Anandtech

the major complaint for gf100 is the high power consuption and high heat output, this is a direct result of leaking transistors and large channels which also provide the overclocking headroom (think AMD TWKR). becuase nvidia have spent the last year reducing leaking and refining the manufacturing process, we will have cooler more efficint processors that don't overclock as far. it's another trade off that is made clear when comparing AMD and nvidia gpu's, just like die size. :shrug:

as far as the GTX570 is concerned, i'm always happy to see an increase in performance and a reduction in price! :up:
11-11-2010, 05:11 PM
Sam_oslo

nVidia is not going to realse this to fight it's own GTX580, GTX480 etc. Comparing GTX570 with those cards wil only lead to confusions. This card seams to be preperations to have something to drop on AMD's next move.

The big question is, is this GTX570 meant to drop on 6970? It seams to be the case, but then it means mVidia has some bad news about 6970-performance.

This timing is indicating it's meant to fight 6970, but we have to wait and see.

EDITED.
11-11-2010, 05:12 PM
generics_user

460 and down are going to be renamed to fill the void down there (just like with the 2xx series),i hope that they push prices down instead of up when renaming the 460 to 560

570 at 480 speed and a fully equipped GF110 as 560, the current 460 down to 450 and 450 as the new 440 would give nv a decent new lineup (GF110 is too big compared to its current competitior, they really need to release a versiom with all SPs to move it above the 68xx series)
11-11-2010, 05:29 PM
570091D

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Originally Posted by generics_user

460 and down are going to be renamed to fill the void down there (just like with the 2xx series),i hope that they push prices down instead of up when renaming the 460 to 560

570 at 480 speed and a fully equipped GF110 as 560, the current 460 down to 450 and 450 as the new 440 would give nv a decent new lineup (GF110 is too big compared to its current competitior, they really need to release a versiom with all SPs to move it above the 68xx series)

wtf are you talking about?!? :confused:
11-11-2010, 05:50 PM
xlink

reminds me of the 2900XT to 3800 transition...
11-11-2010, 05:57 PM
FischOderAal

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Originally Posted by blindbox

Most probably, except for GTX460.

They could "reuse" GF104 to fill the 500-lineup :shrug: Sounds plausible to me.
11-11-2010, 06:26 PM
Zloyd

Hmm say 570 is 700mhz 220w tdp, drop that to 600mhz 150w tdp and make a dualie :D
11-11-2010, 06:28 PM
zerazax

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Originally Posted by FischOderAal

They could "reuse" GF104 to fill the 500-lineup :shrug: Sounds plausible to me.

Most likely:

GF114 aka full GF104 as GTX 560
Current GTX 460 as GTS 500 or 550
And the 768 and further cut down cores as 550 or 450/400
11-11-2010, 06:39 PM
FischOderAal

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Originally Posted by zerazax

Most likely:

GF114 aka full GF104 as GTX 560
Current GTX 460 as GTS 500 or 550
And the 768 and further cut down cores as 550 or 450/400

I agree with you ;)

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Originally Posted by FischOderAal

Maybe a full GF104 as a GTX560 and the GTX460 will be GT540 or something like that.

We have no news about any chip below GF104, do we? NVIDIA has to fill the Geforce 500 lineup with something ;)
11-14-2010, 02:36 AM
ACK

Nvidia is improving cost production and power comsumption in all their 400 series GPU range.

GF 100 -> GF 110 will be the same imprvement as GF104 -> GF 114, changing the 40 nm process to another more efficient and cheap.

In addition to this, nVidia is awaiting that AMD customers take knowledge about the AMD 3D tech fiasco due 3rd party drivers.
11-14-2010, 02:43 AM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by 570091D

wtf are you talking about?!? :confused:

LOl i'm still trying to decipher... humm I think he's referring to some kind of spaceship or something of sorts
11-14-2010, 02:12 PM
Lanek

For a "GTX560", it's really easy. GF104 is an half GF100 with increased SP counts/SM ( 48vs32), and there's 8 TU by SM vs 4 for the GF100..
( GF104 have too 1 SM disable )
Take the GF110 refresh and do a GF114 the same way is made the GF104.. (48SP/SM ) ...

Question remain what can be the performance of this one vs an overlclocked GTX460 1gb... there's a ton of models around who are ultra overclocked version... If they put 775-800mhz on base models,
i m not sure it will really shine vs a gigaybte GTX460 SOC ( stock 815mhz )..

Then how much can be the gain with less SP counts on a GTX560 versions. The optimisation of the architecture give only 5% more perfs on the GTX580, 10% is the clock core/memory speed. ( outside heat and TDP ofc )
( I take this numbers on Alien, and Nvnews review who i believe have take it on the Nvidia slides. )

I know they will ofc replace actual GTX4xx... but i think reviews will look funny if they test the GTX460,560,470,570,480,580 in the same reviews specially with Overclocked GTX4xx version
11-14-2010, 04:18 PM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by PatRaceTin

Will NVIDIA fade out 400 series soon?

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

nVidia is not going to realse this to fight it's own GTX580, GTX480 etc. Comparing GTX570 with those cards wil only lead to confusions. This card seams to be preperations to have something to drop on AMD's next move.

The big question is, is this GTX570 meant to drop on 6970? It seams to be the case, but then it means mVidia has some bad news about 6970-performance.

This timing is indicating it's meant to fight 6970, but we have to wait and see.

EDITED.

Nothing to do with AMDs products. Bringing the 570 means eol 470 and 480 and a respective 100$ markup on both new cards.
11-14-2010, 05:54 PM
BababooeyHTJ

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

Nothing to do with AMDs products. Bringing the 570 means eol 470 and 480 and a respective 100$ markup on both new cards.

and they're going to use what to compete with 6870?
11-14-2010, 06:02 PM
Glow9

460 is the coolest best price : performance card out right now, I don't see how Nvidia would put out both a 560 and 565 what would be the point in that I think I'm missing something
11-14-2010, 06:05 PM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ

and they're going to use what to compete with 6870?

That is not my point.
My point is the gtx570 will be almost identical to the gtx480 meaning the only reason it is being re-released is to reposition it as a 350-400$ segment and to eol the 480 series. Now the 480 is the new 570 at 400$ and the 580 is at 500$. A decent mark up from the 400 series. Nvidia didnt have to move a finger to compete with the 6950 as the gtx480 was just fine for that, but as a 570 they can cash in the 500 series brand value.
11-14-2010, 06:19 PM
slaveondope

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

That is not my point.
My point is the gtx570 will be almost identical to the gtx480 meaning the only reason it is being re-released is to reposition it as a 350-400$ segment and to eol the 480 series. Now the 480 is the new 570 at 400$ and the 580 is at 500$. A decent mark up from the 400 series. Nvidia didnt have to move a finger to compete with the 6950 as the gtx480 was just fine for that, but as a 570 they can cash in the 500 series brand value.

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11-14-2010, 06:30 PM
BababooeyHTJ

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

Bringing the 570 means eol 470

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

That is not my point.
My point is the gtx570 will be almost identical to the gtx480 meaning the only reason it is being re-released is to reposition it as a 350-400$ segment and to eol the 480 series. Now the 480 is the new 570 at 400$ and the 580 is at 500$. A decent mark up from the 400 series. Nvidia didnt have to move a finger to compete with the 6950 as the gtx480 was just fine for that, but as a 570 they can cash in the 500 series brand value.

What are they going to use to compete at the $400-$200 price point? Thats a pretty big gap that AMD is doing a really good job filling.

My point is that I don't think that 570 will do anything to 470. You are comparing cards for two different segments. They need a replacement in that segment if/when 470 goes eol.

Most of their money is not made on these ultra enthusiast (expensive) cards.
11-14-2010, 06:34 PM
Dimitriman

sure I think they should release a gtx 560 for that segment as well. it will come.
11-14-2010, 06:53 PM
BababooeyHTJ

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

sure I think they should release a gtx 560 for that segment as well. it will come.

and leave what is probably a more important segment unfilled in the meantime?
11-14-2010, 07:22 PM
Nintendork

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Originally Posted by Glow9

460 is the coolest best price : performance card out right now, I don't see how Nvidia would put out both a 560 and 565 what would be the point in that I think I'm missing something

Because HD6850 holds that title(with ease). Cheaper, a bit faster, very similar in OC, better multigpu performance(the best scaling out there, 82-85%~)way less power consumption (hd6850 127w furmark, less in typical gaming vs 460 160w typical gaming or 190w in furmark).

http://www.bit-tech.net/blog/2010/11...p-mean-nvidia/

460 got replaced in bang for buck but not by another nvidia card...

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