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11-09-2010, 08:38 PM
Nintendork

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

I've just caught this small nugget at the official press release,regarding Komodo(not in the slides!):

Link

So in AM3+ socket,we will get up to 10 improved Bulldozer cores just a year from original Bulldozer launch :D.It can't get better than that.
Mind you the slides said 4-8 Next-Gen BD cores for Komodo :). Press release let us know it is actually a Sepang derivative,so up to 10 cores in client space for us freaks :p:

I think that every single chip was at some point ported to desktop (think X6).
11-09-2010, 08:59 PM
qcmadness

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

I've just caught this small nugget at the official press release,regarding Komodo(not in the slides!):

Link

So in AM3+ socket,we will get up to 10 improved Bulldozer cores just a year from original Bulldozer launch :D.It can't get better than that.
Mind you the slides said 4-8 Next-Gen BD cores for Komodo :). Press release let us know it is actually a Sepang derivative,so up to 10 cores in client space for us freaks :p:

I want 12-core rather than 10-cores...
11-10-2010, 12:14 AM
FlanK3r

+500 MHz boost on all cores will very good, example 3.5 GHz Zambezi will most of hard aplication jump at 4000 MHz, but still is 3.5 Ghz model for comparsion with others. Remember, SB will also agressive turbo....Where is any new info about AM3+ boards or chipset?
11-10-2010, 12:25 AM
duploxxx

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

We should chat about vmware licensing. I did some apples to apples configs and even though the sw licensing cost was higher, the total package (HW+SW) was lower than Intel. And you get the enterpise plus with all of the extra features.

oh believe me I am not referring to VMware cost, that is peanuts and well covered with the current licensing model of advanced and enterprise plus. Although not confirmed yet I would assume that the at least the enterprise plus lic will grow with the core count. More issues i have is for example Oracle deploys when you are not allowed to have multi instance setups and virtual resources do not count for licensing :)
11-10-2010, 12:46 AM
-Boris-

All non-MCM server processors to date has a counterpart at the consumer side. Now AM3 is being replaced with AM3+. At the the server side this change obviously can't be done just as easily, so the change will be further down the road. That brings me to 2012 and socket C2012, which has three channels of RAM.

Do we have a possibility that AM3+ is a triple channel design? If it isn't, it should be replaced by a triple channel design around the same time as C2012 arrives. And such short lived sockets isn't something AMD usually do.

Any thoughts?
11-10-2010, 12:55 AM
Mats

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

So in AM3+ socket,we will get up to 10 improved Bulldozer cores just a year from original Bulldozer launch :D.It can't get better than that.

Where did you get AM3+ from? The pic Oliverda posted says it has integrated GPU (I think), and I didn't see any info about AM3+ your link. :shrug:
Dunno how you get graphics into AM3+.
11-10-2010, 01:03 AM
pokipoki

Does AM3+ allow one to upgrade to BDv2/BD-next-Gen CPUs?
11-10-2010, 01:05 AM
FlanK3r

about AM3+ we know maybe 1/4 years ago....
11-10-2010, 01:06 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by pokipoki

Does AM3+ allow one to upgrade to BDv2/BD-next-Gen CPUs?

Doubt you will get an answer for this. I think it might be possible, though.
11-10-2010, 01:12 AM
Oliverda

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Originally Posted by Mats

Where did you get AM3+ from? The pic Oliverda posted says it has integrated GPU (I think), and I didn't see any info about AM3+ your link. :shrug:
Dunno how you get graphics into AM3+.

Probably I was wrong. Komodo will be a CPU (socket AM3+) and not an APU.

http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-11/13063_rmap_ck.png
11-10-2010, 01:16 AM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mats

Where did you get AM3+ from? The pic Oliverda posted says it has integrated GPU (I think), and I didn't see any info about AM3+ your link. :shrug:
Dunno how you get graphics into AM3+.

Because Komodo is a CPU,not an APU...
11-10-2010, 01:27 AM
Mats

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

Because Komodo is a CPU,not an APU...

Well I know that, but I was reffering to the pic.
Zambezi has no GPU, but the Komodo does (DX11 capable GPU)? I know they include GPU's in platforms, but this pic doesn't show any platform names.
11-10-2010, 01:35 AM
Florinmocanu

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Originally Posted by Mats

Well I know that, but I was reffering to the pic.
Zambezi has no GPU, but the Komodo does (DX11 capable GPU)? I know they include GPU's in platforms, but this pic doesn't show any platform names.

Read the whole thread mate ;)

Quote:

“Komodo” will feature next-generation “Bulldozer” CPU cores and, in desktop PC platforms, is designed to couple with DirectX® 11 GPUs to provide enthusiast-level system performance.
11-10-2010, 01:39 AM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

that part sounds like you might aswell just launch them with a 500mhz boost, and just add in a heat based throttling for when that one special thing is pulling in too much power that we would not often see

i also assume this is all about the server segment and its not directly related to client side

enough with the stupid throtling .... Oo turbo gives .. and throtling takes away ... see ;)

turbo is better ... end of story ...
11-10-2010, 04:11 AM
madcho

JF i think there is a typo here :

Quote:

“Zambezi”
Market: Desktop
What is it? four-, six-, or eight-core 32-nm AM3 socket desktop processor based on the “Bulldozer” processor architecture for the enthusiast market.
Planned for introduction: 1H 2011

AM3r2 or AM3+ instead i think :rolleyes:
11-10-2010, 05:37 AM
Sampsa

JF,

This slide says Komodo & Trinity are scheduled for 2012 and description says: "Next generation Bulldozer CPU cores":

http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/20101110amd2.jpg

But this slide shows that the next generation Bulldozer isn't coming until 2013 and there will be "enhanced Bulldozer" in 2012:

http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/20101110amd6.jpg

So will Komodo & Trinity be based on enhanced Bulldozer or next generation Bulldozer? Thanks,
11-10-2010, 05:49 AM
FlanK3r

I think, it will simillary refresh as Phenoms to Phenoms II (but bulldozer will be not bad as B2 Phenoms 65nm :-) )
11-10-2010, 05:58 AM
informal

Yeah I Think they meant that Komodo will get enhanced Bulldozer core while 2013 brings another level of improvement(similar to tick-tock in intel's case). Maybe in 2013 we will see new Fusion or new instruction support like some compiler patches suggest.
11-10-2010, 06:11 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by blindbox

It's marketing my friend. Intel is doing it, and it works. it's so that you can put more features.

Anyway, so Turbo CORE would be enabled when you're doing prime95 and won't enable when you're doing Linpack. Hmmm I'm kind of wishing of a 1 Ghz boost for single or two-threaded programs.

who said to take away turbo? it will still exist, i only bring this up because it turbos all cores.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Unless you live in a world where, when your 2.5GHz processor can't reach 2.5GHz because of the workload, you open yourself up to customer issues.

YOU might understand the reason, but will the average person say "I paid for a 2.5 but it only gets to 2.3, I guess that is OK."

it really depends on how often it would need to throttle. if its really less than 5% of the work a client computer would do, then its a hidden feature they would never notice, and always think it was running full speed. and like i said before, the code which can pull in enough heat to max it out, probably is so strong anyway that performance will be fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

enough with the stupid throtling .... Oo turbo gives .. and throtling takes away ... see ;)

turbo is better ... end of story ...

again, never said to take it away.

i think it would be quite something to see stock clocks not just hit 4ghz, but fly right past it. with the turbo feature we will probably still see similar clocks being sold, even though its able to turbo over 4ghz. the marketing of first ever 4ghz cpus with turbo, should be worth so much more than an "all core turbo"
11-10-2010, 07:20 AM
Mats

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliverda

[I]“Sepang”
Market: Server
What is it: Server CPU with up to 10 next-generation “Bulldozer” CPU cores
targeting 2-way highly energy efficient and cost optimized Socket C2012 platforms. Complete with three-channel DDR3 memory and integrated PCIe Gen3 I/O. Planned for introduction: 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

Another nail in the APU coffin of Komodo (:)) is the fact it will have to slide in AM3+ and this rules out the GPU or any other integration(PCIex ,like in Llano).I say it has to go into AM3+ since AMD probably won't launch a whole new socket a year from AM3+.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliverda

“Komodo”
Market: Server and Performance Desktops
What is it? “Komodo” is AMD’s next generation CPU and is primarily intended for servers and high-performance desktops. “Komodo” will feature next-generation “Bulldozer” CPU cores and, in desktop PC platforms, is designed to couple with DirectX® 11 GPUs to provide enthusiast-level system performance. Planned for introduction: 2012

So Sepang will have integrated PCIe 3.0 and a new socket,
while the client counterpart Komodo will use external NB PCIe, and stay at AM3+ just because the socket isn't old?
We're talking about the same AMD who recently said Zambezi won't work in current boards because it would cripple the performance, but a Komodo with AM3+ sounds like hampering the CPU to me.

Besides that, AMD have no trouble telling us that the 2012 servers need new sockets even at this early stage, but they can't add "AM3+" next to the Komodo in the roadmap, like they usually do?
They avoid mentioning the socket type in the kind of slides they usually wouldn't. Making substantially different CPU dies for 1-2P server and client, it must be a first one for AMD.

I smell a new socket for Komodo, and it's part of my 2010 rant: AM3+ is a bad compromise.
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No one seems to know why the GPU is only mentioned with one of the CPU's, when both can be used with graphics cards, and neither of them are supposed to have graphics on die.
Maybe they mean integrated PCIe when they say "designed to couple with DirectX® 11 GPUs" (and not integrated GPU like I thought at first).

I can't come up with a better explanation.
11-10-2010, 07:24 AM
JF-AMD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

JF,

This slide says Komodo & Trinity are scheduled for 2012 and description says: "Next generation Bulldozer CPU cores":

http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/20101110amd2.jpg

But this slide shows that the next generation Bulldozer isn't coming until 2013 and there will be "enhanced Bulldozer" in 2012:

http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/20101110amd6.jpg

So will Komodo & Trinity be based on enhanced Bulldozer or next generation Bulldozer? Thanks,

"Enhanced" and "next generation" are not products, they are labels. There are actual product code names under them.
11-10-2010, 07:32 AM
Oliverda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mats

Besides that, AMD have no trouble telling us that the 2012 servers need new sockets even at this early stage, but they can't add "AM3+" next to the Komodo in the roadmap, like they usually do?
They avoid mentioning the socket type in the kind of slides they usually wouldn't. Making substantially different CPU dies for 1-2P server and client, it must be a first one for AMD.

I smell a new socket for Komodo, and it's part of my 2010 rant: AM3+ is a bad compromise.

I've still haven't seen any official slide or confirmation about so called socket AM3+.

and:

"“Zambezi”
Market: Desktop
What is it? four-, six-, or eight-core 32-nm AM3 socket desktop processor based on the “Bulldozer” processor architecture for the enthusiast market. Planned for introduction: 1H 2011"

source

So maybe there won't be any AM3+ for Zambezi.
11-10-2010, 07:42 AM
Mechanical Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mats

So Sepang will have integrated PCIe 3.0 and a new socket,
while the client counterpart Komodo will use external NB PCIe, and stay at AM3+ just because the socket isn't old?
We're talking about the same AMD who recently said Zambezi won't work in current boards because it would cripple the performance, but a Komodo with AM3+ sounds like hampering the CPU to me.

Besides that, AMD have no trouble telling us that the 2012 servers need new sockets even at this early stage, but they can't add "AM3+" next to the Komodo in the roadmap, like they usually do?
They avoid mentioning the socket type in the kind of slides they usually wouldn't. Making substantially different CPU dies for 1-2P server and client, it must be a first one for AMD.

I smell a new socket for Komodo, and it's part of my 2010 rant: AM3+ is a bad compromise.
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No one seems to know why the GPU is only mentioned with one of the CPU's, when both can be used with graphics cards, and neither of them are supposed to have graphics on die.
Maybe they mean integrated PCIe when they say "designed to couple with DirectX® 11 GPUs" (and not integrated GPU like I thought at first).

I can't come up with a better explanation.

This confirms that "Komodo" aint APU, But "Trinity" is.

http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/20101110amd7.jpg
11-10-2010, 07:45 AM
informal

Oh there will be a new socket.The key is the new BD power gating features which AM3 can't support properly.So they could have crippled desktop Bulldozer or launch (electrically) new socket which will make use of all the BD core potential. AM3+ and AM3 pin counts may not change at all,but the arrangement and electrical properties will. BD will have much more advanced power and clock gating than Thuban could ever dream of...
11-10-2010, 07:52 AM
Movieman

I am looking forward to trying a couple of these 16 core BD chips in the Asus KGPE-D16 board here.
VERY solid board with 2-12 core MC 6168's in it now.
32 threads for WCG will be VERY nice.:up:

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