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07-31-2010, 10:43 PM
sdsdv10

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Originally Posted by Iconyu

If you use the H50 on a intake fan you have that heat sprayed all over the inside of your case. <snip>

I believe the point is, how is this really any different from a traditional air cooled HSF (i.e. TRUE, Noctura, Zalman, etc) that also dumps the exact same amount of heat from the CPU into the case? If you have good air flow in your case, it really shouldn't make all that much difference.

From the reviews I've read the benefit isn't really better cooling, the main improvement is not having 1+lb of metal hanging off your CPU socket. Again, most reviews state the H50 cools much better than stock, but not quite as good as the best HSF setups, for roughly the same amount of money as high end air coolers. Whether it is a good purchase or not doesn't seem to me to be a debate of fact, but rather a choice based on personal opinion.
07-31-2010, 10:50 PM
vengance_01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconyu

If you use the H50 on a intake fan you have that heat sprayed all over the inside of your case. Corsair say its the optimum option, but it'll turn your case into a furnace. A lot of high end cases have more than one fan blowing out, so I personally think having the H50 blowing out is the best choice, as if you used a f/hs combo you'd have to use air from inside the case anyway.

Besides if you are dumping all that heat into the case some of it will get back to the CPU through the motherboard anyway.

This is very true. In a cold open air environment this can work very very well, but once I got upstairs and in my desk, it turn the case into a furnace.
08-01-2010, 02:07 AM
dctokyo

the H50 blowing out is a good choice than it blowing in .
08-01-2010, 02:31 AM
Helloworld_98

I don't see why corsair or CoolIT don't just make 140, 200 and 230 rad versions. They would perform better and since loads of cases have those size fan fittings now they'd still have a lot of buyers
08-01-2010, 02:44 AM
DeltZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by cegras

A lot of design goes onto the side of the coldplate that's in contact with the water. It used to be pins, but now what's in fashion are microchannels for laminar flow.

I thought laminar flow was bad, because it meant the water in connection to metal was flowing slower than the water not touching it?

Thought it was all about the turbulent impingement jet designs...
08-01-2010, 08:57 AM
BababooeyHTJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdsdv10

I believe the point is, how is this really any different from a traditional air cooled HSF (i.e. TRUE, Noctura, Zalman, etc) that also dumps the exact same amount of heat from the CPU into the case? If you have good air flow in your case, it really shouldn't make all that much difference.

And you also still have a rear fan to exhaust the heat. If I did have an H50 I would just run two low speed yates in push/pull to exhaust.
08-01-2010, 09:57 AM
Iconyu

Some people have mentioned the idle temps as the reason for switching, but idles aren't a big deal it's the load temps that matter as that's when it crashes, if your PC has issues at idle on a H50 it'll crash on loads anyway. If you were looking at idles you'd have never have bought a H50 in the first place, as it's very weak in that area.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdsdv10

I believe the point is, how is this really any different from a traditional air cooled HSF (i.e. TRUE, Noctura, Zalman, etc) that also dumps the exact same amount of heat from the CPU into the case? If you have good air flow in your case, it really shouldn't make all that much difference.

From the reviews I've read the benefit isn't really better cooling, the main improvement is not having 1+lb of metal hanging off your CPU socket. Again, most reviews state the H50 cools much better than stock, but not quite as good as the best HSF setups, for roughly the same amount of money as high end air coolers. Whether it is a good purchase or not doesn't seem to me to be a debate of fact, but rather a choice based on personal opinion.

As for normal hs/f combo dumping into the case, they are traditionally placed at a exhaust any heat they dump into the case normally goes outside very fast ATX form factor was designed with this in mind. There just really isn't a good spot inside a case for a H50 to dump it's heat, especially considering how close the radiator has to be to the actual CPU.

And yes owning one is a compromise, I agree. The high end air market is hardcore, while entry level water is just that entry level. It's just kinda nice to open you case and have one I guess, some air coolers are a bastard to install and fill that entire corner of the case. even with push-pull and larger raddy, the position of the H70 means it won't be in the way as much when doing stuff inside the case as say a TRUE or other big coolers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

I don't see why corsair or CoolIT don't just make 140, 200 and 230 rad versions. They would perform better and since loads of cases have those size fan fittings now they'd still have a lot of buyers

OEMs really love the setup, makes the inside of the case neater, offers very nice performance, customers like them inside the case when they see them. The basic design is for the OEM version, a H70 OEM will probably be their answer to the extreme six cores Intel are shipping. Basically just enough for the job and some overclocking within reason. Also, lower temps improve hardware lifespan.
08-01-2010, 10:00 AM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by cegras

A lot of design goes onto the side of the coldplate that's in contact with the water. It used to be pins, but now what's in fashion are microchannels for laminar flow.

I suppose you have not seen the Swiftech Apogee XT and Enzotech Stealth.
08-01-2010, 10:57 AM
halfwaythere

This will get ripped apart by any decent 50$ heatsink. Higher end heatsinks compete pretty well with decent water kits.

Quote:

Besides not wanting to have 1-2lbs of metal hanging over my delicate hardware, I need something that has some serious cooling power.

Just hearing some tech dude saying that you know he has absolutely no idea what is he on about and he's delighted to endorse the marketing mumbo jumbo he received. Sad.
08-01-2010, 11:02 AM
Manicdan

my plan was to put it as an exhaust on the back fan, and the side fan have a shroud that pushes air only too the radiator. could cost almost nothing and let you get cold air in, and all hot air out.

if you run a H50 as exhaust its not that much different than a high end HS/F for the CPU, but much better for preventing other things from sharing that heat. if you run it as an intake you get better cpu temps, but worse other temps.
08-01-2010, 01:23 PM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfwaythere

This will get ripped apart by any decent 50$ heatsink. Higher end heatsinks compete pretty well with decent water kits.

Just hearing some tech dude saying that you know he has absolutely no idea what is he on about and he's delighted to endorse the marketing mumbo jumbo he received. Sad.

Corsair H50 = roughly True 120 Rev C, so H70 with better rad and base is definately going to beat that.

Where did that statement come from?
08-01-2010, 01:39 PM
Andrea deluxe

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

Corsair H50 = roughly True 120 Rev C, so H70 with better rad and base is definately going to beat that.

Where did that statement come from?

i wanna see

nh-d14 vs h70........
08-01-2010, 01:50 PM
Necetra

If they the H70 significantly improves on the H50, without adding too much to the price, it could be a winner.
08-01-2010, 03:48 PM
SiGfever

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

whats a "cold plate"?
sounds like its only a better rad? :confused:

http://www.lytron.com/cold-plates/co...-overview.aspx
08-01-2010, 03:52 PM
Manicdan

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiGfever

http://www.lytron.com/cold-plates/co...-overview.aspx

interesting idea to put a heatpipe in there. i dont think that would help much for cpus due to how thin the base is and how most heatsinks just pack in a bunch of heatpipes connected to fins anyway. but i could see that being usefull for having one massive heatsink across an array of chips and you dont have to worry about which one is working too hard, as long as they all are not maxed out.
08-01-2010, 03:57 PM
Vapor

H50 already uses a skived microchannel design for the coldplate. It looks decent, definitely room for improvement, but considering the cost constraints it's impressive. I haven't had the chance to hook up the H50's 'waterblock' to my waterblock testbed yet, but I was able to measure the flowrate and it's incredibly low (~.2GPM). Increasing flowrate and improving the radiator would have been the first two things I'd have done to improve it, as well as changing the flowpath through the existing coldplate. Looks like this is an all-new design though, it'll be interesting to see how the H70 looks internally and to see how it performs.
08-01-2010, 04:02 PM
cegras

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

I suppose you have not seen the Swiftech Apogee XT and Enzotech Stealth.

I have, but the clear performance winners are those with microchannels.
08-01-2010, 05:17 PM
Redbeard

For the record, the H70 pump has similar specs as the H50 pump, but the profile is lower in order to provide the clearance for the 50mm thick radiator and dual 120mm fans. The fans are also upgraded from the H50. Very similar to the fan kit that comes with the A70, actually.

Performance wise, this doesn't make much difference on lower-clocked systems or idle temps, but on a 4GHz overclock at 1.4V on a Core i7, it can make more than 10-13C difference at load.
08-01-2010, 05:33 PM
Iconyu

Thanks for visiting, would you mind answering another question, as you know one of the pictures says SKU Live date of August 1st, does that mean you were intending to ship on that date when the picture was released, and is that still the case now?

Edit: That 10-13 celcius difference has just sunk in, damn...

Edit2: You don't need to answer/ignore that question, I know what happened now, thanks.
08-01-2010, 05:36 PM
lkiller123

How much is it?
08-01-2010, 05:45 PM
Vapor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redbeard

For the record, the H70 pump has similar specs as the H50 pump, but the profile is lower in order to provide the clearance for the 50mm thick radiator and dual 120mm fans. The fans are also upgraded from the H50. Very similar to the fan kit that comes with the A70, actually.

Performance wise, this doesn't make much difference on lower-clocked systems or idle temps, but on a 4GHz overclock at 1.4V on a Core i7, it can make more than 10-13C difference at load.

Thanks for dropping by :)

Big :up: for doing push-pull fans with such a dense and thick radiator :D
08-01-2010, 05:47 PM
clayton

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redbeard

For the record, the H70 pump has similar specs as the H50 pump, but the profile is lower in order to provide the clearance for the 50mm thick radiator and dual 120mm fans. The fans are also upgraded from the H50. Very similar to the fan kit that comes with the A70, actually.

Performance wise, this doesn't make much difference on lower-clocked systems or idle temps, but on a 4GHz overclock at 1.4V on a Core i7, it can make more than 10-13C difference at load.

H70 confirmed! :D
08-01-2010, 06:08 PM
El Mano

My H50 is mounted as an exhaust and it works great.
I'm happy to read this news, this H70 looks promising.

Does anybody know if it will use the same retention ring?
08-01-2010, 06:41 PM
dctokyo

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Maño

Does anybody know if it will use the same retention ring?

I hope not, the current one sucks :down:, the first one was nicer
08-01-2010, 07:29 PM
Thrmionicshaman

I didn't like it much myself.:down:

The X-shaped backplate bracket for a Zalman 9500/9700
also fits the threads of H50 and is stronger too:shrug:

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